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One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:50am On Jun 03, 2019 |
Atheism is defined by atheists as the lack of belief in God/gods. This definition is wrong, but let's assume that its correct for the sake of the message I want to pass in this writeup. So, atheists explain that lack of belief in deities is attributed to a supposed lack of evidence for the existence of deities. And they are rational human beings for not believing in deities yadi yadi yada. Do you realize that atheists have beliefs in things that have no evidence or subscribe to positions that have no evidence that proves they are true. Positions like materialism (nothing exists except matter), naturalism (everything that exists arises from natural properties and causes *this position is self refuting*), positivism (another self-refuting position lol), skepticism (yet another position that is self refuting... Oh dear... This is getting embarrassing ) the list is endless. Some believe that aliens exist (without any evidence), other minds apart from theirs exist (without a sound philosophical argument to support this notion). Some subscribe to nihilism (without evidence to prove that life is meaningless, that there is no transcendent reality and death is the ultimate end) etc This is juicy part, pay close attention. If they can subscribe to belief systems or take philosophical positions that are self refuting, not proven to be true, and are comfortable doing so, why don't they extend this to God Why do they lose their minds when it comes to believing in God? Why are they so uncomfortable with the belief in God but not with naturalism which logically refutes itself or with materialism which is ancient and ridiculous? Stephen Hawkins, an atheist and like some other atheists believe aliens exist, and would even subjugate mankind and destroy our civilisation if they ever find us. But there isnt evidence that such intelligent extraterrestrial living beings exist. And he claimed he had good reasons to believe they exist. Oh wait, don't theists have and have presented good reasons why God exists? What are we missing here? You are smart and super smart for lacking belief in God but obdurately take positions that are self-refuting, irrational and unproven. Take your time, if you have to, to cachinnate at the glaring contradiction. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by Shepherd00: 12:03pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
KingEbukasBlog:Resurrection! Resurrection!! Resurrection!!! KingEbukasblog is back. Wow. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by Shepherd00: 12:06pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
KingEbukasBlog:It will say it's because they wish to get away with their sin and not stand Judgement before God. But, alas, dats nat gonna happen 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:07pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
Shepherd00: Lol. I just dropped by to say hi 1 Like |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:15pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
Shepherd00: True. They understand the implications of denying God's existence and they are afraid of that reality. To deal with the fear and soothe themselves and express their intellectual superiority , they take positions to fill the gap left by their lack of belief that are self-refuting and irrational. Brilliant move! 2 Likes |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by Shepherd00: 12:40pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
KingEbukasBlog:Hi King. 1 Like |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by Shepherd00: 12:41pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
KingEbukasBlog:Yes sir. That is correct. |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:06pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
Shepherd00: Good work you doing. Well done |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by hakeem4(m): 1:08pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
KingEbukasBlog:no the truth is that you guys don’t want to accept the fact that there is nothing after this life. You just want to stick to your god as a coping mechanism. |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:26pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
hakeem4: Immortality of the soul is arguable. The argument, if the soul continues its existence after death or no, has its foundation in theism. A deist could believe the soul is not immortal and perishes with the body after death. Epicureans who were ancient materialists believed the soul which is made up of fine bundles of atoms ends its existence with the body at physical death. Neoplatonists who are theists believe the soul reincarnates but loses the memories of its previous life. St Aquinas believed that we have a spiritual desire to pursue supreme goodness but this isn't available to us since imperfect Nature cant provide this, supreme goodness can be found in God when we unite with him - this makes the afterlife a necessity. If you have any good argument or evidence to support your ***belief*** that nothing exists after this life (no afterlife exists) then you can provide it let's scrutinise it 2 Likes |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by LordReed(m): 2:00pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
What a boat load of strawman arguments but the central one is that all the things you choose to hang around the atheist neck determine how true the atheist position is. That is if all those positions prove to be incorrect then somehow atheism is as well. Well, I have good news for you, those positions do nothing to affect the validity of the atheist position so you can now retire that strawman safely. The one thing that will sort us out is for you lot to provide unassailable evidence for your god, I think it is quite a simple proposition. No dogmas, no tenets, no emotional blackmails or threats, just provide us with verifiable evidence for your god and shut us up forever. 13 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:08pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
LordReed: I don't think you understood the message. |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by LordReed(m): 2:31pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
KingEbukasBlog: Enlighten me. |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by Shepherd00: 2:34pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
KingEbukasBlog:Thanks your Highness. |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:21pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
LordReed: First, do you have knowledge and understanding of those positions I mentioned and why atheists subscribe to them? |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by hakeem4(m): 4:18pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
First of all soul is a religious construct. There is no scientific evidence for it. The answer is we do not know what happens when we die. If you notice the afterlife myth was created so that those who lost their loved ones can reunite My question is why should there be life after death if there was no life before birth ? KingEbukasBlog: 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by LordReed(m): 4:35pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
KingEbukasBlog: Yes |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by Nobody: 4:44pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
KingEbukasBlog:Its the widely accepted definition and for good reason but OK. What is your definition, pray tell? Do you realize that atheists have beliefs in things that have no evidence or subscribe to positions that have no evidence that proves they are true. Positions like materialism (nothing exists except matter), naturalism (everything that exists arises from natural properties and causes *this position is self refuting*), positivism (another self-refuting position lol), skepticism (yet another position that is self refuting... Oh dear... This is getting embarrassing ) the list is endless.LOL. This is just a massive strawman. Atheism itself has nothing more or less to do than with the lack of belief in gods. Of course it is compatible with materialism and all the philisophies you listed. Being an atheist is its own thing. This is juicy part, pay close attention. If they can subscribe to belief systems or take philosophical positions that are self refuting, not proven to be true, and are comfortable doing so, why don't they extend this to GodOK. Pause. First of all you are committing the fallacies of strawmanning & generalization for thinking ALL atheists share these beliefs Secondly, its glaringly obvious you know little about atheism. You'll probably need this before you can take your argument any further 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:44pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
hakeem4: You are contradicting yourself. There is no afterlife like you previously claimed or that you don't know for sure |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:02pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
IAmSabrina: I think you should read the topic and my post again to properly grasp the message being passed here. |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by Nobody: 6:32pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
LordReed: KingEbukasBlog: IAmSabrina: KingEbukasBlog:SMH, KingEbukasBlog. No one's going back to read your OP. It's your duty to lay a good foundation in your OP so that we can all follow properly from there. Till then, i still stand by my earlier response |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:36pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
LordReed: Do you know positions such as, naturalism, skepticism, logical positivism which many atheists subscribe to are not only not supported by evidence but are self-refuting? |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by LordReed(m): 6:39pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
KingEbukasBlog: No they are not but even if they are so what? |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:51pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
IAmSabrina: The point is clear : atheists subscribing to the positions which are self refuting, irrational and not supported by evidence contradicts their take on theism and God's existence. Here's a simple dialogue to illustrate my point Atheist : I'm a rational person, I lack the belief in God because there is no evidence Me : really? But you subscribe to positions like naturalism, skepticism, logical positivism that are self-refuting and not supported by evidence. Atheist : Errrmm Me : I understand you also think aliens exist Atheist : yeah, I do Me : so where is the evidence that such exist? Atheist : there is none actually Me : so you lack belief in God because, supposedly, there isn't evidence to support that belief... But you think aliens exist without any evidence and you subscribe to positions that are self refuting and not supported by evidence?? Atheist : lol yeeaaahhh Me : so I shouldn't take you seriously then because of the contradictory propositional attitude Atheist : I'm really sorry for disturbing your peace. I'm clearly irrational |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:54pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
LordReed: Lol. They are indeed So what? That's why I wrote the post. You clearly didn't understand the message. Read it again... And again... Till you finally understand it! 1 Like |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:03pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
hakeem4: It's philosophical to some extent. There is no scientific evidence for numbers and mathematical laws but you still accept them as true and evident. Science studies nature. End of story. And that's why it's so limited. |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by Ihedinobi3: 7:10pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
KingEbukasBlog:I think that you're exactly right. I have spent some time answering atheists and listening to atheism, and my verdict is that there is no real objection that atheists have to theism, and certainly none at all to Christ. However, free will is the most powerful thing in the Universe. God made it so. This is precisely what makes God say to creatures that He made ex nihilo that they are gods. That is pretty serious. It is also why a human being can look at all existence around him and pretend that they see absolutely nothing. That is what free will makes possible. For this reason, I don't think it is worth the energy and time to try to reason with atheists. I am happy to answer their questions where it is worth it to answer them, and to correct their misconceptions about the Bible where it is useful for other readers. Otherwise, I am not interested in or concerned with their objections, since they are nothing more than insane excuses. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by LordReed(m): 7:11pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
KingEbukasBlog: The topic of this thread puts a lie to this. One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously because their arguments are based on self refuting positions is your implication. And when it is pointed out to you again and again your error, you hide under the pretext that that is not what you mean. You ain't fooling us you know. 2 Likes |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by malvisguy212: 7:17pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
KingEbukasBlog:lol. indeed you are welcome bro. good to know you are alright. |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:32pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
LordReed: Again, you don't understand the point as the emboldened text shows. Read my latest response to IamSabrina. If you can't comprehend that too, then there is nothing else I can do man tbh |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:33pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
malvisguy212: Thanks bro. Thank God for everything. What about you, I hope everything is fine? |
Re: One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:35pm On Jun 03, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3: Exactly! 1 Like |
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