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Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by wirinet(m): 7:09am On Jun 04, 2019
Awoo88:
JEG tried to kill this monster, tinubu, El rufia, buhari, even FFK etc all join hand, hire musicians, provided transport to the part. And lunch. Nigerians cheered on. Buhari came, increased the pump price to what JEG wanted without subsidy, and still paying more than Jonathan ever paid. Nigerians are their biggest problem.
I know you guys will wail at Jonathan's loss till eternity, but Jonathan's fuel removal strategy was ill conceived and deceptive. Besides, people generally did not trust Jonathan with the extra money that would have been be raised a result of subsidy removal.
Nigeria has been removing subsidy since the 70s, had subsidy on petrol ever been removed? No. Why? Because as long as we import petrol, subsidy can never be removed. The more we remove subsidy, the more we will spend in naira to import the same quantity of petrol and the more the naira will fall, leading to inflation and the need for subsidy again.

After Dangote refinery and some other private refineries comes on board, and it's able to either reduce or eliminate the dependence on imported petrol, the government can then think of removing subsidy on petrol.
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by Glorylynn: 7:10am On Jun 04, 2019
Bro it’s actually true,the government should stop paying subsidy in Nigeria on fossil fuel and channel the money being paid on subsidy on infrastructural development and provision of employment NB:if only they will not embezzle the money.this way the government will achieve 2 basic things
1)reduction in environmental pollution and warming of the green house by reducing the number of cars,people can always take public transports which the government will provide in each cities with the funds which is meant to be paid on subsidy,or people can as well settle for car pooling I.e 3-4 people that works in the same area or move in the same direction leave there cars and use just one car and rotate it this way.

2)the government will have more money to provide social amenities.

THAINK YOU




greatiyk4u:
Where was Nigeria mentioned in the article?

The same poor that complain of buying at 147, how will buying at 250 help them?
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by traeces(m): 7:12am On Jun 04, 2019
There is no govt policy in Nigeria intended to help the poor.
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by wirinet(m): 7:14am On Jun 04, 2019
Glorylynn:
Bro it’s actually true,the government should stop paying subsidy in Nigeria on fossil fuel and channel the money being paid on subsidy on infrastructural development and provision of employment NB:if only they will not embezzle the money.this way the government will achieve 2 basic things
1)reduction in environmental pollution and warming of the green house by reducing the number of cars,people can always take public transports which the government will provide in each cities with the funds which is meant to be paid on subsidy,or people can as well settle for car pooling I.e 3-4 people that works in the same area or move in the same direction leave there cars and use just one car and rotate it this way.

2)the government will have more money to provide social amenities.

THAINK YOU
Government cannot just remove subsidy on petrol without increase in local production. If subsidy is suddenly removed and petrol prices jump to N200 per litre overnight, there would be social unrest as Labour, students, opposition parties and the general masses would take to the streets. Petrol increases have been known to bring down governments in other parts of the world.
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by alphaNomega: 7:17am On Jun 04, 2019
Fu ck you World Bank! This is one of the same type of talk that made kerosene almost as expensive as diesel today.
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by DesChyko: 7:18am On Jun 04, 2019
greatiyk4u:
Where was Nigeria mentioned in the article?

The same poor that complain of buying at 147, how will buying at 250 help them?
Same way buying at 147 helped those initially buying at 65 wink
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by Nobody: 7:21am On Jun 04, 2019
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Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by TSRC: 7:21am On Jun 04, 2019
iammo:
you buy cement at the rate the producer fixes . goverment isnt a charitable organisation of pity party
Then stop painting dangote as an alternative.

Aside from jobs created by the refinery, the Nigerian people would still be paying very high.
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by wirinet(m): 7:29am On Jun 04, 2019
TSRC:
Then stop painting dangote as an alternative.

Aside from jobs created by the refinery, the Nigerian people would still be paying very high.
The greatest advantage is that we would not need dollars to import petrol anymore, so no subsidies and the price can be stable.
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by TSRC: 7:31am On Jun 04, 2019
wirinet:
The greatest advantage is that we would not need dollars to import petrol anymore, so no subsidies and the price can be stable.
I am not optimistic that buhari can take full advantage, sorry.
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by iammo(m): 7:37am On Jun 04, 2019
TSRC:
Then stop painting dangote as an alternative.

Aside from jobs created by the refinery, the Nigerian people would still be paying very high.
Dangote is the best alternative..... remove subsidy and watch inflation skyrocket, support Dangote and watch price crash and goverment save scarce forex while earning tax
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by BrainSanitizer: 7:37am On Jun 04, 2019
In this government, there's nothing in Nigeria that's helping the poor.
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by olajide8(m): 7:40am On Jun 04, 2019
tactius:
How fuel subsidies cheat the poor

1. Subsidies prevent companies from making decent profits. As a result, fresh investment does not come in, job creation gets stifled.
Poor affected.

2.Millions is spent on feeding subsidy cabals rather than projects for the poor.

3 Lack of investment means that no new refineries can be built which means that prices stay high and importation continues, wasting more money that could have been used for projects that would benefit the poor.

4. Nigeria gets into debt sustaining subsidy, which worsens our bad economy.


When GSM came, there were no price controls. GSM companies charged high prices for SIM cards, meanwhile service was poor. They took their money, invested it in new facilities, prices came down.

Remove price controls. Starve the corruption in NNPC. Starve the subsidy cabals. Allow profits to be made. Then sit back and watch as investors flow in, build more refineries without government paying a dime, and prices fall, more jobs get created and money saved is used for better things.

Subsidy has to go. Since 1993.
The same way a floating exchange rate affects the price of imported drugs and small items that affect the poor, is the same way an open market in the oil sector would affect countries that are highly import dependent, the same way removal of subsidy encourages rent seekers in the oil sector and importation at lower cost, the true picture is real investment come in when the market is predictable and stable, people can look at it from different angles but the overall interest of the majority is more important then the benefit to few - refineries are also protected when established because they are the ones that would receive these subsidies, furthermore no subsidy opens the space for importation at the lower costs (dumping comes to mind) as against forcing the true investors that would be protected from importers - why does America as a country still subsidize agriculture if subsidy was bad? and the world Bank don't talk about that? China subsidize commerce by establishing SOE's and the world Bank kicks against it, America is fighting China because of it, but it's beneficial to the larger group of their citizenry - we were taught in school that monopoly is bad, oligopoly neither here or there, perfect competition is the best which means the market is open to all, but in the long run if we follow the price and demand competition curve what happens? In my opinion, if it does happen, price fixing becomes the ultimate all the competitors come together and fix a unified price which would not be in the consumers best of interest.
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by SarkinYarki: 7:40am On Jun 04, 2019
which fuel subsidy is the world bank talking of? I thought Buhari has removed fuel subsidy and has denied of its existence
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by olajide8(m): 7:42am On Jun 04, 2019
Promisebet7:
[color=#990000][/color]see below it
Mr man watch yourself and don't quote me to sell your nonsense find your market in another place
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by TSRC: 7:43am On Jun 04, 2019
iammo:
Dangote is the best alternative..... remove subsidy and watch inflation skyrocket, support Dangote and watch price crash and goverment save scarce forex
I don't support subsidy removal. I don't think the buhari government can handle the economic consequences for Nigerians.

But at the same time, dangote alone is not an alternative.
He is a capitalist and unless we have a stream of competitive investors building their own refineries before dangote gets a chance to dictate the entire value chain, Nigerians are fuccked.
Nigeria pay one of the highest prices for cement in the world, despite having so much limestone. That is because of dangote.

The major advantage in dangote is that he has blazed the trail for the private sector to take over.
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by ShenTeh(m): 7:46am On Jun 04, 2019
F&@k the World Bank and alll those funny CIA controlled organizations, who are mainly designed to ruin other countries' economies.

Same way they've been compelling us from independence to devalue our currency. See how from a glorious Naira in the 70s to the near-tissue-paper it has become today.
And guess what, they are asking us to devalue still.

Again, f&@k the World Bank!
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by stormborn28(m): 7:47am On Jun 04, 2019
EVarn:
The world Bank should go and sit down,and stop making unnecessary noise. They should tackle countries like China and the US that produce huge emissions of greenhouse gases. If the government totally removes subsidy on petroleum products,the price of petrol,diesel,kerosene and even gas will double. Price of commodities will hike due to the fact that most companies run on generators, even services like public transport fares will double. So, how is subsidy not helping the poor?,is it people that can barely afford N147 per litre of fuel that will now happily buy it at N450?.
dont mind them... Those people are blind.. They don't even understand Nigerian economy
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by buchilino(m): 7:48am On Jun 04, 2019
Wiseandtrue:
Which of Buhari's policies is helpful to the poorhuh
LISTEN TO BOTH WORLD BANK N IMF AT UR OWN RISK
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by iammo(m): 7:50am On Jun 04, 2019
TSRC:
I don't support subsidy removal. I don't think the buhari government can handle the economic consequences for Nigerians.

But at the same time, dangote alone is not an alternative.
He is a capitalist and unless we have a stream of competitive investors building their own refineries before dangote gets a chance to dictate the entire value chain, Nigerians are fuccked.
Nigeria pay one of the highest prices for cement in the world, despite having so much limestone. That is because of dangote.

The major advantage in dangote is that he has blazed the trail for the private sector to take over.
i understand your concern.. but modular refinery are been licensed all around SouthSouth with CBN and Customs giving assistance and incentives
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by orisa37: 7:51am On Jun 04, 2019
Buhari should please listen to Wisdom.
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by mrnigerdelta: 7:52am On Jun 04, 2019
Buhari is a scam
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by TSRC: 7:56am On Jun 04, 2019
iammo:
i understand your concern.. but modular refinery are been licensed all around SouthSouth with CBN and Customs giving assistance and incentives
Don't be surprised to hear that the modular refineries can't get crude as frequently as dangote despite being in the Niger delta.

No be today.
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by olisaEze(m):
I remember a candidate once said that if the people would elect him, he’d build 6 refineries in the 6 geopolitical zones in 4yrs to end the subsidy regime. The people delivered, he didn’t!

4yrs later we’re still suffering & smiling, while some paid goons tell us how we’re making progress! (Said paid goons are also suffering with us o!) grin

Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by Chikebranny123(m): 8:05am On Jun 04, 2019
when they can easily come up with fuel subsidy removal fees
sykeng:
we are doomed in this country, politicians will still find a way to embezzle the money even when subsidy is removed
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by valentineuwakwe(m): 8:07am On Jun 04, 2019
I don't know why the world bank have so much interest in removing our fuel subsidy without providing any solutions to alleviates the poor....the west will never rest until they destroy this country economically and the APC will allow them soon
Re: Nigeria’s Fuel Subsidy Not Helping The Poor — World Bank by seunmsg(m): 8:11am On Jun 04, 2019
Strong evidence shows that a lot of countries put subsidy on fossil fuels, and these subsidies are insufficient to support the poor. They aggravate resources consumption, pollution and greenhouse gas. Globally, subsidies on fossil fuels are huge,”
And removing the subsidy will help the poor, right? Rubbish talk by the rubbish world bank official. The idiot even linked fuel subsidy to pollution and greenhouse gas emissions. So, we should remove subsidy so that poor people won’t be able to afford fuel and hence, consumptions will reduce so as to reduce pollution and gas emissions. These white imperialist really don’t think so much of us. Smh!
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