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FrankNetter:


This class taught me to believe that which I can ascertain by myself to be true, it taught me to question everything and I believe this is what being educated entails.

The above is something soooo lacking in our society.... we just open our mouths and swallow whatever ... no need for tongue or teeth!
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Hadampson:



Abi nah. Na one thing i appreciate Nigeria be that... We no dey play with home training for this country and na that way i go train my pikin even if my wife na oyibo... I no go accept make she spoil my pikin for me

...we all keep claiming home training

This home training thing is why many of us do not have our own stand but instead have to base all our idealogies on what we hear from church and parents and can't think on our own.

Regarding what the girl did in class, I agree she went overboard but she's been taught to think for herself, and not just follow blindly. Just like following our religious leaders anyhow without asking questions.

We need to train the kids and give them home training, but give them the ability to ask questions and not just gulp anything they're told

Originalsly:
Welcome back!...I knew you wouldn't have time to even scratch!



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The above is something soooo lacking in our society.... we just open our mouths and swallow whatever ... no need for tongue or teeth!
Following.
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This is exactly what I'm trying to say in my post above

Hadampson

Olalekank:

...we all keep claiming home training

This home training thing is why many of us do not have our own stand but instead have to base all our idealogies on what we hear from church and parents and can't think on our own.

Regarding what the girl did in class, I agree she went overboard but she's been taught to think for herself, and not just follow blindly. Just like following our religious leaders anyhow without asking questions.

We need to train the kids and give them home training, but give them the ability to answer questions and not just gulp anything they're told

lol!...A number of things I want to assume that the so-called Nigerian home training has done is that it has made most Nigerians to dwell and grow up with chronic corruption, lies and lawlessness.

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Olalekank:

...we all keep claiming home training

This home training thing is why many of us do not have our own stand but instead have to base all our idealogies on what we hear from church and parents and can't think on our own.

Regarding what the girl did in class, I agree she went overboard but she's been taught to think for herself, and not just follow blindly. Just like following our religious leaders anyhow without asking questions.

We need to train the kids and give them home training, but give them the ability to ask questions and not just gulp anything they're told

Yeah, that's right but not to the stage where the kid would be questioning your authority

Olalekank:

This is exactly what I'm trying to say in my post above

Hadampson

I understand you perfectly well boss

Hadampson:


Yeah, that's right but not to the stage where the kid would be questioning your authority

That one na war

Hadampson:


Yeah, that's right but not to the stage where the kid would be questioning your authority

I would like to know what is meant by home training?....is it basically do as you're told.... no questions asked... keep your thoughts to yourself/contrary views to yourself? If yes...or something like that... then the best home trained people in the world are North Koreans. When we begin to question authority is when we will see those in authority doing the right thing and the country progressing.

Originalsly:
I would like to know what is meant by home training?....is it basically do as you're told.... no questions asked... keep your thoughts to yourself/contrary views to yourself? If yes...or something like that... then the best home trained people in the world are North Koreans. When we begin to question authority is when we will see those in authority doing the right thing and the country progressing.

exactly

I absolutely agree

Hadampson:



Abi nah. Na one thing i appreciate Nigeria be that... We no dey play with home training for this country and na that way i go train my pikin even if my wife na oyibo... I no go accept make she spoil my pikin for me

That is NOT home training but foolishness

it is what NiggerArea called home training that has ruined youths to the extent that they cannot challenge /question /deal ruthlessly with those in authority that has ruined their country..

Assuming most Nigerians were trained as western (American) folks
the likes of Buhari, Atiku, Tinubu, OkoroAwusa, those useless Randy lecturers in our tertiary institutions, the wicked bosses in the corporate space and the list goes on will ALL be in trouble
imagine a lecturer deliberately failing ALL students in a typical class with Americans

what will follow would astonish the lecturer
or a boss tell you to your face that he will NOT pay you your entitlements
That boss will be out of business because the bad press; boycott and further consequence that follows will be too much for him

Nigerians better DITCH that mentality ASAP

what is home training really is to teach your child to be RESPECTFUL to all and HAVE MANNERS and conduct themselves properly outside and at home

DasAll

Ugosample:


That is NOT home training but foolishness

it is what NiggerArea called home training that has ruined youths to the extent that they cannot challenge /question /deal ruthlessly with those in authority that has ruined their country..

Assuming most Nigerians were trained as western (American) folks
the likes of Buhari, Atiku, Tinubu, OkoroAwusa, those useless Randy lecturers in our tertiary institutions, the wicked bosses in the corporate space and the list goes on will ALL be in trouble
imagine a lecturer deliberately failing ALL students in a typical class with Americans

what will follow would astonish the lecturer
or a boss tell you to your face that he will NOT pay you your entitlements
That boss will be out of business because the bad press; boycott and further consequence that follows will be too much for him

Nigerians better DITCH that mentality ASAP

what is home training really is to teach your child to be RESPECTFUL to all and HAVE MANNERS and conduct themselves properly outside and at home

DasAll

That is not what i mean.

As in, how can she said that to her instructor?

It's understandable they are debating on a topic but that's very bad of her to call everybody stupid including her instructor. It shows she doesn't have morals at all.

Like she want them to accept her opinion concerning the topic... It's not by force. We all agree to disagree boss

Originalsly:
I would like to know what is meant by home training?.... is it basically do as you're told.... no questions asked... keep your thoughts to yourself/contrary views to yourself? If yes...or something like that... then the best home trained people in the world are North Koreans. When we begin to question authority is when we will see those in authority doing the right thing and the country progressing.

@bolded 1, No sir

@bolded 2, you are right sir

Hadampson:



@bolded 1, No sir

Ok.... so.what is home home training? Pretend you're in Franknetter's Philosophy class and home training [/i]is the topic.... is [i]no sir all you would have to say? ... nothing to back up your opinion? Do you realize you are supporting the statement by not expressing your disagreement?....unlike the Mexican girl? Do you realize if in Frank's class.... she would have passing grade and you failing grades? So let us have your opinion on what is home training.

Originalsly:


Ok.... so.what is home home training? Pretend you're in Franknetter's Philosophy class and home training [/i]is the topic.... is [i]no sir all you would have to say? ... nothing to back up your opinion? Do you realize you are supporting the statement by not expressing your disagreement?....unlike the Mexican girl? Do you realize if in Frank's class.... she would have passing grade and you failing grades? So let us have your opinion on what is home training.

According to me, home training is the set of instructions children receive at home on basic politeness, courtesy, respect and good behaviour.

Honestly, i can't believe you guys are asking me the meaning of home training.

A child is born selfish, egoistic, foolish and without manners. Somebody has to train the child to know how to live in a social environment. If somehow the child misses such instruction, he goes about carelessly (but unknowingly) behaving shamefully in relationship with others. This continues into his or her adulthood. The child would have issues with his or her boss at work or his or her lecturer at school due to deficiency in home training.

That Hispanic girl lacks home training( or maybe oyibo home training is different) Courtesy demand you respond in a reasonable manner to anybody whether young or old.

Using the word stupid for all of them is very inappropriate. I still stand on it

I know why my momma left you cos ya crazy man, a teenage boy told his father in one of the nickelodeon series

Can African boy say that to his parents, nO

That is home training

@Ugosample
@Originalsly
@Olalekank

An average oyibo can call his father crazy man, don't be silly mom etc

All these are not acceptable at all in a sane society.

Not all oyibo lack home training, i have met some Americans who told me home training is big for her. Like she can spank the child if he or she do anything bad



Train up a child in the way he should go, even when he is old he will not depart from it’.

Hadampson:
I know why my momma left you cos ya crazy man, a teenage boy told his father in one of the nickelodeon series

Can African boy say that to his parents, nO

That is home training

@Ugosample
@Originalsly
@Olalekank

An average oyibo can call his father crazy man, don't be silly mom etc

All these are not acceptable at all in a sane society.

Not all oyibo lack home training, i have met some Americans who told me home training is big for her. Like she can spank the child if he or she do anything bad



Train up a child in the way he should go, even when he is old he will not depart from it’, says the Holy Book.

hmnm

you don't seem to get my point...

you be my nwanne so I no go troll you

just go back to my post and read that part I said about "respect" and "manners"

what we call "home training" back in Nigeria is Fvckery

Hadampson:
I know why my momma left you cos ya crazy man, a teenage boy told his father in one of the nickelodeon series

Can African boy say that to his parents, nO

That is home training

@Ugosampl
@Originalsl
@Olalekan

An average oyibo can call his father crazy man, don't be silly mom etc

All these are not acceptable at all in a sane society.

Not all oyibo lack home training, i have met some Americans who told me home training is big for her. Like she can spank the child if he or she do anything bad



Train up a child in the way he should go, even when he is old he will not depart from it’, says the Holy Book.

Olalekank:

...we all keep claiming home training

This home training thing is why many of us do not have our own stand but instead have to base all our idealogies on what we hear from church and parents and can't think on our own.

Regarding what the girl did in class, I agree she went overboard but she's been taught to think for herself, and not just follow blindly. Just like following our religious leaders anyhow without asking questions.

We need to train the kids and give them home training, but give them the ability to ask questions and not just gulp anything they're told

Please look at what I said in bold

I'm not saying we shouldn't train our kids, finding the balance between making sure they have the right morals and being able to question things is what I'm talking about.
Many of our home training revolves around not being able to say anything and just do anything you're told. Ask one question and you'd get the beating of your life.

Is it home training of "Kike, pick up the phone and tell your aunty that I am sleeping" where the child cannot ask questions but just do as she's told that you want?

Biko make we no derail there

Olalekank:





Please look at what I said in bold

I'm not saying we shouldn't train our kids, finding the balance between making sure they have the right morals and being able to question things is what I'm talking about.
Many of our home training revolves around not being able to say anything and just do anything you're told. Ask one question and you'd get the beating of your life.

Is it home training of "Kike, pick up the phone and tell your aunty that I am sleeping" where the child cannot ask questions but just do as she's told that you want?

Biko make we no derail there

Okay. I get your point now boss


FrankNetter, we are waiting in anticipation for more updates o

Ugosample:


hmnm

you don't seem to get my point...

you be my nwanne so I no go troll you

just go back to my post and read that part I said about "respect" and "manners"

what we call "home training" back in Nigeria is Fvckery

Ich. verstehe. dich. jetzt. Chef.

FrankNetter:
On the first day of the philosophy class, he informed us that this class was not going to be an easy one. He told us that for this course, his teaching method had to be entirely different from other instructors. He pointed out that over the course of our journey into the world of having an education, when we walk into a classroom, we are given knowledge by the instructors or teachers and told to memorize it, but in this class, there would be no such process. That he was only here to guide us to knowledge and not hand it to us like a cookie. I was like "what's wrong this man"?

This is what I c

On the first day of class, we were close to 24 persons, on the second day, two or three persons had run away already and this would be the case for the duration of the semester.

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**At this point, I should add that the educational system here is very different. Before each semester starts, you have to manually register for the courses you want to take, you have to go to the school, fill out a form, pick the courses you want and then register for them. Some classes fill up faster than others because the instructor might be a good one, or the class might be in high demand.
As the semester goes on, if you decide you don't want the class again or you don't like the teacher or the class is too hard for you, you have to go and fill out a couple of forms again and DROP the classes, if you do not complete this process and you stop coming to class, when the semester ends, the school would charge money you for the class and still give you a FAIL grade..

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Back to MR Hammond and his philosophy class. One on occassion, when we walked into class, he asked us to define what philosophy was. Me, bubbling with excitement at having done this course in university in Nigeria, shot my hand up and waited to be called on to answer the question. He glanced in my direction and nodded, giving me the go ahead to answer the question. I stood up and gave the same definiton I was taught during my 100 Level in naija. I told the class that philosophy was coined from two words (bla bla bla). After my definition, he pointed out that I had defined what the word "philosophy" was but I failed to define what philosophy is. Thus began my journey into questioning all I had been taught.

Over the course of the class, we read different works by different popular authors, Plato's Theatetus, Descartes' - discourse on method and works of that nature. Before each class, he would tell us to read a chapter or two of a certain book and when we come to class, we would have an all open discussion about the text we just read. One thing he never did was just spout off definitions straight up, he did what he said he would do, which was guide us to the knowledge so we could find it ourselves.

On one occassion, he asked us an interesting question What does it mean to be human? . He then procceeded to point out the similarities between human beings and robots today. He highlighted the fact that for humans, we had what we called a soul and for robots., they had an operating system which makes them run and function they way they do. That day in class, we talked about how Artificial intelligence (AI) was catching up with humanity faster than we cared to admit and left us to ponder that question What does it mean to be human?

We kept up with the conversation and the class got a little bit heated up when we threw in animals to the conversation. Someone brought up a point that animals don't have a soul and the only reason we feel attached to pets is because of habit. One hispanic girl took it personal, pointing out that animals have a soul. She pointed out numerous instances when her dog displayed emotion (crying when she hurt herself etc etc) and that her dog did have a soul, some asked her if she could say the same about cows and other lower farm animals being butchered everyday; the girl vex o. She said if any of us feels dogs don't have a soul, we, along with the instructor had to be "stupid or something", after she said it, she packed her books and walked out the class leaving everybody dumb founded.

I work night shift at my UPS job. My shift typically starts from 10:00 pm to like 3:30 am. i get home by 4 am and sleep till like 9-10 am and then prepare for school. Sometimes, my drive to school is longer than normal and I end up going late for this philosophy class which starts at 11:00 am. This happened throughout the whole semester and towards the end of the semester, someone told me they actually relished me being in class because I always had something to say about each topic brought up in class. The class started with 24 people, but in the end, we were only around 15 or so because the others had dropped it. This class taught me to believe that which I can ascertain by myself to be true, it taught me to question everything and I believe this is what being educated entails.

At the end of my first semester, I was adviced by two of my instructors to join the honor society called Phi Theta Kappa - an honor society for those whose CGPAs were in the range of 3.5/4.0 to 4.0/4.0. I finished this semester with As in all my courses and a 4/4 CGPA

This is what I will call unbiased educational system. Nigerian lecturers will intensionally refuse to give a student the grade he/she deserves. There's a lecturer in my dept, he made a statement I will never forget, he said "none of his student can have a B in his course, the highest he can give a student is C" just imagine!!!. Immediately at that moment the urge to leave this God forsaken country increased.

Clefayomide:


This is what I will call unbiased educational system. Nigerian lecturers will intensionally refuse to give a student the grade he/she deserves. There's a lecturer in my dept, he made a statement I will never forget, he said "none of his student can have a B in his course, the highest he can give a student is C" just imagine!!!. Immediately at that moment the urge to leave this God forsaken country increased.

And the sad thing is that with that threat that the lecturer made even when he gets reported to the head of his department nothing will be done to hold him accountable.

Hadampson:


According to me, home training is the set of instructions children receive at home on basic politeness, courtesy, respect and good behaviour.

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Somebody has to train the child to know how to live in a social environment. If somehow the child misses such instruction, he goes about carelessly (but unknowingly) behaving shamefully in relationship with others.

That Hispanic girl lacks home training( or maybe oyibo home training is different)

The last is what you need to always take into consideration. You are "home trained" to live in harmony in your community. You may considered yourself very well home trained.... but your actions in another society may not go down well. This Mexican girl is in the American society.... she may not be courteous... but they speak their mind and that is normal... if you don't... they say you need to speak up. In the local society speaking up is being rude... disrespectful... shows you were not home trained.
One of the things that may surprise you.... is the emphasis placed on saying please...excuse me... and thank you. I hold the door open for you.... thank you better be loud coming out of your mouth on walking through... or I'll be highly enraged and if I'm armed...hmmmm.....let me shut up!

Originalsly:


The last is what you need to always take into consideration. You are "home trained" to live in harmony in your community. You may considered yourself very well home trained.... but your actions in another society may not go down well. This Mexican girl is in the American society.... she may not be courteous... but they speak their mind and that is normal... if you don't... they say you need to speak up. In the local society speaking up is being rude... disrespectful... shows you were not home trained.
One of the things that may surprise you.... is the emphasis placed on saying please...excuse me... and thank you. I hold the door open for you.... thank you better be loud coming out of your mouth on walking through... or I'll be highly enraged and if I'm armed...hmmmm.....let me shut up!

I guess that's American style.

FrankNetter, do the needful biko

Originalsly:


The last is what you need to always take into consideration. You are "home trained" to live in harmony in your community. You may considered yourself very well home trained.... but your actions in another society may not go down well. This Mexican girl is in the American society.... she may not be courteous... but they speak their mind and that is normal... if you don't... they say you need to speak up. In the local society speaking up is being rude... disrespectful... shows you were not home trained.
One of the things that may surprise you.... is the emphasis placed on saying please...excuse me... and thank you. I hold the door open for you.... thank you better be loud coming out of your mouth on walking through... or I'll be highly enraged and if I'm armed...hmmmm.....let me shut up!

This thread is quite interesting.

Beautyaddy:


And the sad thing is that with that threat that the lecturer made even when he gets reported to the head of his department nothing will be done to hold him accountable.

Sadly enough, he's also part of the head/management. He's the sub-dean of the faculty.

welcome back frank, we really missed you.

Clefayomide:


There's a lecturer in my dept, he made a statement I will never forget, he said "none of his student can have a B in his course, the highest he can give a student is C" just imagine!!!. Immediately at that moment the urge to leave this God forsaken country increased.

This is an example of you the students being home trained. What did you as a group of university students do about it?...absolutely nothing.... because you are trained not to question authority.... he is the sub dean.... so it's useless challenging him...... you can't win. Frank is in a university of his choice.... and we hail the system in the US... but do you know that was a right that had to be fought for?...by the Akatas? If they were home trained Frank would not be sharing this with us.
Sub dean or not... he made that statement... as university students... you should be the frontrunners of change.... pressure should be put to get him removed.... ... even if he is not.... a message would be sent to lecturers.... e careful of what you say... and what you do.... or we'll be coming for you. Only then you will see a change to lecturers being professional.

Originalsly:


This is an example of you the students being home trained. What did you as a group of university students do about it?...absolutely nothing.... because you are trained not to question authority.... he is the sub dean.... so it's useless challenging him...... you can't win. Frank is in a university of his choice.... and we hail the system in the US... but do you know that was a right that had to be fought for?...by the Akatas? If they were home trained Frank would not be sharing this with us.
Sub dean or not... he made that statement... as university students... you should be the frontrunners of change.... pressure should be put to get him removed.... ... even if he is not.... a message would be sent to lecturers.... e careful of what you say... and what you do.... or we'll be coming for you. Only then you will see a change to lecturers being professional.

Lol that's not being home trained, it's more like a default behavioral setting in every African (Nigerian) kid due to how the system works here.

I like the part where u said it will be useless challenging him, cos I can't win.. challenging him is more like me sending an assassin to kill me.
I spoke with a more young and reasonable lecturer abt the sub-dean's statement, and what he said was even more shocking, he said the system has also failed him as a lecturer, he made reference to the time he was undergoing his PhD program, about the evil he experienced In the hands of his senior lecturer's. Its sad to know the system has failed us all