MuttleyLaff:
Please cut a sincere man going about the Father's business some slack bro, at least he credit the post and didnt put it forward as if from him. Dont let your furtive tiff and what you've in the past, disagreed with OLAADEGBU, get the better of you and just be like that, having a dig at him nau bro. Meet me down, immediately below anyway so we do this together.

"¹Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives,
²but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple. A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them.
³As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd.
⁴“Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery.
⁵The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”
⁶They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger.
⁷They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!”
⁸Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.
⁹When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman.
¹⁰Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”
¹¹“No, Lord,” she said.
And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.”"
- John 8:1-11

Fair enough, the woman caught in the "act" is the representation of the church of Jesus, as in, that's why she doesn't have a name mentioned to her, right? Hmm, but have you ever thought, why doesnt the woman have a name? Why wasn't a man caught in the act with her or why wasnt there, a man caught in the act with her?

Well, this whole matter Goshen360, simply points out to, this was a set up, to get Jesus, as the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees were a wicked and desperate lot, running out of patience with Jesus and so an innocent, home alone woman, was dragged out of her bed to the "market square" and deliberately made to look guilty for a not real and present sin.

The adultery charge against her was an invention by the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, created in order to deceive. This is why there is no and/or was no man was caught in the act. It, altogether and all along was a fictitious adultery act she committed. The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, fabricated all this, based it on false information, and so this woman was falsely accused of doing something wrong that has a punishment of death by stoning. This all just done, in the quest to trap Jesus, get Him into trouble, a dilemma, vicious circle and/or in a tough nut to crack situation.

The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, with stones in their hands to ready to unleash, eagerly waiting Jesus' judgement, obviously were saying amongst themselves, "He is not going to say she hasnt sin, would He" and "or is He going to now", they probably thought too.

The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, believed they have got Jesus in a tight corner and/or spot, that is not easy to escape from and that they have given Jesus a difficult John 8:5 question and perplexing problem He wouldnt be able to resolve. This was a practice session for the teachers of religious law and the Pharisee, as they later and eventually became very skilled and proficient at setting people up, on trumped up charges and be sentenced to death, that similar, in the end, was done to Jesus too.

Even if there was a man caught in the imaginary adultery act, isnt it ironic and typical that he was allowed to escape and so be let off the hook and noose. Anyway, Jesus being all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing saw through their whole charade, fraud and monkey busines, so no harm came on the woman and the rest is now history

Softly, softly ooo, no, not knives nau bro, please dont bring out knives.

If we go check out Luke 14:7, Luke 15:3, Luke 16:1a etcetera, we'll see from them, that Jesus, told quite a sizeable amount of parables, varying in total, between a number of 45 and 60, and that they usually have a plethora of lessons and moral truth in them.

As most parables, usually are, a good amount of them, actually are a faithful representation of reality. They at times are told, as a story, with verisimilitude characters having actual or real human being's name. Case in point, Luke 16 has a parable mention, with the Rich man & Poor man named, Lazarus characters, and so Luke 16 is an example of parables with verisimilitude characters and where a charater's name is mentioned

My brother, longest time.

First of all, I didn't have ANYTHING against Olaadegbu. My only issue with him is, HE PREACHES TOO MUCH OF A MAN, as in this case, Kumuyi and others that he believes in AND if we teach anything in contrast to those men he believes in, he thinks we're rebels. Many times we'll teach something here and Olaadegbu will argue me down ONLY TO FIND OUT ONE OF HIS FATHERS IN THE LORD WILL TEACH THE SAME AND HE LIFT THE ARTICLE AS TEACHING AND POST AS THREAD. So, basically, if Goshen teach something, he argues down but if a white man from his mentor says the same thing he copies and paste to a thread here. I'm only challenging our brother to study for himself and be less into doctrines of men....hence was the statement to him, he preaches too much of Kumuyi but rather he should preach Christ.

2. I made a comment which Olaadegbu compared my statement of the woman caught in the act of adultry as a representation of the church of Jesus or a type/shadow which he Christ was later going to die for and give the gift of no condemnation. Olaadegbu in his hastiness didn't ask me to explain....he quickly equate it to as though usual parables by which Jesus would normally teach....I at Olaadegbu in tongues

But you have said something concerning parables BUT I WON'T EVEN EQUATE THE ISSUE OF THIS WOMAN AS PARABLE BUT AS TRUTH BECAUSE IF YOU CHECK EVERY EVENT DURING JESUS LIFETIME IN THE GOSPELS, EVERY EVENTS WAS USED TO TEACH THE TRUTH OF HIS DBR&G.... death, burial, ressurection and glorification

As much as there are ALSO SPIRITUAL TRUTH IN PARABLES which I'm not knocking you down that there are some spiritual truths in parables, THEY (PARABLES) ARE USED BY CHRIST TO COMMUNICATE TO LOW IQ PEOPLE OF THAT TIME AS REGARDS SPIRITUAL MATTERS. It is used to communicate to those who cannot handle revelation of God's kingdom. (Matthew 13 vs 10 - 13) EVENTS THAT OCCURED IN SCRIPTURES ARE ALSO REVELATIONS OF GODS HIDDEN TRUTH which are now revealed to us.

3. As for Olaadegbu's throwing jabs at me being a Democrat, I wasn't even gonna to respond because that's him being peddy. His White and Black Republicans are the ones destroying us here in the states.....and these are people Olaadegbu will fight die hard to support....e.g, Been Carson, who's Secretary of HUD. This man is EVIL....yes I said it! If you don't believe me, look up his harvoks on HUD and congressional hearings on YouTube. So just to mention that, I'm not going to turn this to a political Debbie.

4. He claimed I haven't being or should show links here where I have been teaching or preaching Christ and Him crucified....if he can't find it under my topics, I don't think I should engage with his conversation on that. And Btw, what have we been doing or preaching here over the years if not Christ and Him crucified?

Respect, my brother!

Goshen360:
My brother, longest time.

First of all, I didn't have ANYTHING against Olaadegbu. My only issue with him is, HE PREACHES TOO MUCH OF A MAN, as in this case, Kumuyi and others that he believes in AND if we teach anything in contrast to those men he believes in, he thinks we're rebels. Many times we'll teach something here and Olaadegbu will argue me down ONLY TO FIND OUT ONE OF HIS FATHERS IN THE LORD WILL TEACH THE SAME AND HE LIFT THE ARTICLE AS TEACHING AND POST AS THREAD. So, basically, if Goshen teach something, he argues down but if a white man from his mentor says the same thing he copies and paste to a thread here. I'm only challenging our brother to study for himself and be less into doctrines of men....hence was the statement to him, he preaches too much of Kumuyi but rather he should preach Christ.

Whatever OLAADEGBU always can easily be Bereans' style way fact-checked by the reader(s)

Goshen360:
2. I made a comment which Olaadegbu compared my statement of the woman caught in the act of adultry as a representation of the church of Jesus or a type/shadow which he Christ was later going to die for and give the gift of no condemnation. Olaadegbu in his hastiness didn't ask me to explain....he quickly equate it to as though usual parables by which Jesus would normally teach....I at Olaadegbu in tongues

But you have said something concerning parables BUT I WON'T EVEN EQUATE THE ISSUE OF THIS WOMAN AS PARABLE BUT AS TRUTH BECAUSE IF YOU CHECK EVERY EVENT DURING JESUS LIFETIME IN THE GOSPELS, EVERY EVENTS WAS USED TO TEACH THE TRUTH OF HIS DBR&G.... death, burial, ressurection and glorification

I never equated the woman in the narrative as a parable, but, first typed that the woman was set up on a fabricated charge, meaning it never happened, thats why there was no man to charge her with, then secondly after, in response to the OLAADEGBU "are you saying because her name was not mentioned that means it was a parable" question he asked you, I tried to point out that, in the Luke 16 parable mention, there were the Rich man & Poor man characters in it, it is an example of parables with verisimilitude characters and one that had a charater's name mentioned in it as well. Lazarus, was the named mentioned, for the Poor man character, in that parable.

Goshen360:
As much as there are ALSO SPIRITUAL TRUTH IN PARABLES which I'm not knocking you down that there are some spiritual truths in parables, THEY (PARABLES) ARE USED BY CHRIST TO COMMUNICATE TO LOW IQ PEOPLE OF THAT TIME AS REGARDS SPIRITUAL MATTERS. It is used to communicate to those who cannot handle revelation of God's kingdom. (Matthew 13 vs 10 - 13) EVENTS THAT OCCURED IN SCRIPTURES ARE ALSO REVELATIONS OF GODS HIDDEN TRUTH which are now revealed to us.

"¹⁰Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Why do You speak to the people in parables?”
¹¹He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.
¹²For whoever has, to him will be given, and he will be in abundance.
And whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
¹³Because of this I speak to them in parables:
‘Because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.’
¹⁴And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, saying:
‘In hearing you will hear and never understand;
and in seeing you will see and never perceive. "
- Matthew 13:10-14

You don begin to start again ooo bro. Wetin be: "THEY (PARABLES) ARE USED BY CHRIST TO COMMUNICATE TO LOW IQ PEOPLE OF THAT TIME AS REGARDS SPIRITUAL MATTERS" nau? Are you trying to say that, the chief priests, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are people of low IQ? It was only one ocassion, that Jesus' parable, without Him giving explanation of it, was ever just like that "understood" by the hearers. It was the "The Parable of the Wicked Tenants" (i.e. Matthew 21:33-46) and Matthew 21:45, was where the chief priests and Pharisees after hearing the end of parable, somehow miracuously got the whiff and perceived that Jesus, in the parable, was speaking of them. Aside that "The Parable of the Wicked Tenants" parable, none understood Jesus' 45-60 parables, without Him explaining them, and often done in privacy or behind closed doors.

"¹¹He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secret of the Kingdom of God.
But I use parables for everything I say to outsiders,
¹²so that the Scriptures might be fulfilled:
‘When they see what I do, they will learn nothing.
When they hear what I say, they will not understand.
Otherwise, they will turn to me and be forgiven.’ ”"
- Mark 4:11-12

This was a deliberate modus operandi employed by Jesus, and Jesus, even in Mark 4:11-12 confirmed this, in there, He told the disciples, the reason and/or why He taught in parables

Goshen360:
3. As for Olaadegbu's throwing jabs at me being a Democrat, I wasn't even gonna to respond because that's him being peddy. His White and Black Republicans are the ones destroying us here in the states.....and these are people Olaadegbu will fight die hard to support....e.g, Been Carson, who's Secretary of HUD. This man is EVIL....yes I said it! If you don't believe me, look up his harvoks on HUD and congressional hearings on YouTube. So just to mention that, I'm not going to turn this to a political Debbie

Abeggy leave trash for Lagos State Waste Management Agency (LAWMA) bro. You know nau, that: Just because you bin see pesin waka behind Jesus, no mean say, the pesin be disciple ooo

Goshen360:
4. He claimed I haven't being or should show links here where I have been teaching or preaching Christ and Him crucified....if he can't find it under my topics, I don't think I should engage with his conversation on that. And Btw, what have we been doing or preaching here over the years if not Christ and Him crucified?

Respect, my brother!

Bro, OLAADEGBU, dey do as hin sabi reach, you as well, you dont do bad, you dey as you too sef sabi, so what's more to desire nau, except for more grace, "abinibi" and divine ability. Una both do well, as we continue to iron shapens iron and be building each other up

PS: Goshen360, you don return sharp sharp back, already from Naija be dat, erh?

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I wasn't saying it was YOU that equated my comment with being a parable, I was saying it was Olaadegbu who did that which I understand what YOU said in your response to Ola.

2. The scripture you're quoting agrees to what I said and in a way you agree that using PARABLES was a deliberate choice adopted by the Lord..... again, parables was used to communicate to low IQ people of those time AS REGARDS SPIRITUAL MATTERS OR TRUTH......but to YOU OR US, it is given to UNDERSTAND the mysteries of the kingdom.

In other words, Christ can teach the spiritual truth TO THE APOSTLES without adopting the use of PARABLES but the PEOPLE OUTSIDE couldn't handle it so he has to use parables to water it down and make it like milk for the babies. So YES, those religious leaders of the law, priests, etc are people of low IQ AS REGARDS SPIRITUAL MATTERS AND TRUTH. It's one thing to be knowledgeable in religious laws, be a chief priest and etc but knows nothing about spiritual truths and matters as even as the laws itself that such teachers of the law teaches. Just like saying, being a secular teacher of CRK doesn't mean that person knows spiritual truth contained in what he/she teaches.

PS: I no dey use more than 2 weeks anytime I go 9ja because of job and bills....both don't wait

Goshen360:
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I wasn't saying it was YOU that equated my comment with being a parable, I was saying it was Olaadegbu who did that which I understand what YOU said in your response to Ola.

2. The scripture you're quoting agrees to what I said and in a way you agree that using PARABLES was a deliberate choice adopted by the Lord..... again, parables was used to communicate to low IQ people of those time AS REGARDS SPIRITUAL MATTERS OR TRUTH......but to YOU OR US, it is given to UNDERSTAND the mysteries of the kingdom.

In other words, Christ can teach the spiritual truth TO THE APOSTLES without adopting the use of PARABLES but the PEOPLE OUTSIDE couldn't handle it so he has to use parables to water it down and make it like milk for the babies. So YES, those religious leaders of the law, priests, etc are people of low IQ AS REGARDS SPIRITUAL MATTERS AND TRUTH. It's one thing to be knowledgeable in religious laws, be a chief priest and etc but knows nothing about spiritual truths and matters as even as the laws itself that such teachers of the law teaches. Just like saying, being a secular teacher of CRK doesn't mean that person knows spiritual truth contained in what he/she teaches.
PS: I no dey use more than 2 weeks anytime I go 9ja because of job and bills....both don't wait

Kk ooo.

LordReed:


If there was a god there be evidence.

You keep repeating your mantra of no evidence when the evidence is staring you in your face. What did you do with the evidence I gave on the first page?

MuttleyLaff:


Softly, softly ooo, no, not knives nau bro, please dont bring out knives.

If we go check out Luke 14:7, Luke 15:3, Luke 16:1a etcetera, we'll see from them, that Jesus, told quite a sizeable amount of parables, varying in total, between a number of 45 and 60, and that they usually have a plethora of lessons and moral truth in them.

As most parables, usually are, a good amount of them, actually are a faithful representation of reality. They at times are told, as a story, with verisimilitude characters having actual or real human being's name. Case in point, Luke 16 has a parable mention, with the Rich man & Poor man named, Lazarus characters, and so Luke 16 is an example of parables with verisimilitude characters and where a charater's name is mentioned

I beg to disagree with you here. All parables that Jesus gave did not include any name. Jesus was describing an actual event in Luke 16 when He mentioned names such as Lazarus and Abraham. The Lord would not have given the name of someone who did not exist. There were only 3 others apart from our Lord Jesus Christ who ever spoke authoritatively regarding what happens after death; Lazarus, the Apostle John and Paul respectively.

NPComplete:


[s]Chai Olaadegbu is slow. I gave u the answer and yet u still type something so moronic.[/s]
Why do u worry about Muslims and Allah when u also believe that Allah doesn't exist? Because u believe Allah does exist and u are accountable to Allah? See how foolish u now look?

[s]Nobody worries about fairies because there are no fairy believers who go about disturbing people about fairies and claiming that fairies will take us to the after life. But people worry about your own beliefs because of obvious slow believers like yourself who go about creating threads upon threads about myths and outright lies disturbing our ears on the street about some rapture that will never happen and asking for government policies to favour Ur beliefs. Same thing Muslims do that makes you to create threads against them here.

I hope u get it now. I know thinking isn't the Christian way but try to use your head and understand what I wrote before replying me and making a monkey of yourself again.

I believe in God by the way. I just don't believe in the god u believe in. The one that sends morons like u to speak for him when he could just appear to everyone the same time. Lol[/s]

Who told you allah doesn't exist?

OLAADEGBU:


You keep repeating your mantra of no evidence when the evidence is staring you in your face. What did you do with the evidence I gave on the first page?

"Look at the trees" is a tired piece of evidence that has been debunked in so many ways it is tiresome repeating the counter. Besides I have stated elsewhere and I repeat here, arguments for an interacting god are worthless to me. If I was going to be swayed by arguments I won't have become an atheist. If there is no unequivocal evidence for a god then I remain unconvinced. "Look at the trees" is as unconvincing as they come because the explanations that do not require a god for their existence, sound more logical than some imaginary beyond space and time wizard that doesn't show itself in any meaningful way.

LordReed:


"Look at the trees" is a tired piece of evidence that has been debunked in so many ways it is tiresome repeating the counter. Besides I have stated elsewhere and I repeat here, arguments for an interacting god are worthless to me. If I was going to be swayed by arguments I won't have become an atheist. If there is no unequivocal evidence for a god then I remain unconvinced. "Look at the trees" is as unconvincing as they come because the explanations that do not require a god for their existence, sound more logical than some imaginary beyond space and time wizard that doesn't show itself in any meaningful way.

What evidence did you debunk?

I have always pondered on the connection here with Daniel 13 and why its conveniently not included in some Bibles.

OLAADEGBU:


What evidence did you debunk?

Did I say I did?

LordReed:


Did I say I did?

You said the evidence 'has been debunked in so many ways' and that 'it is tiresome repeating the counter.' Tiresome for who?

OLAADEGBU:


You said the evidence 'has been debunked in so many ways' and that 'it is tiresome repeating the counter.' Tiresome for who?

For me.

budaatum:
I have always pondered on the connection here with Daniel 13 and why its conveniently not included in some Bibles.

probably because of Daniel's comments on the absence of righteous girls in Israel

LordReed:


For me.

You did not debunk the evidence and yet it is tiresome for you?

budaatum:


I have always pondered on the connection here with Daniel 13 and why its conveniently not included in some Bibles.

There is nothing like Daniel 13. The book of Daniel ends with chapter 12 anything else is not of God.

OLAADEGBU:


There is nothing like Daniel 13. The book of Daniel ends with chapter 12 anything else is not of God.

Thankfully, Biblegateway disagrees with you, unless your position is that God wrote the KJV in 1611.

budaatum:


Thankfully, Biblegateway disagrees with you, unless your position is that God wrote the KJV in 1611.

I also thank God that Biblegateway stated that the verse can only be found in the Catholic Bible (Edition), not the authorised version.

OLAADEGBU:


I also thank God that Biblegateway stated that the verse can only be found in the Catholic Bible (Edition), not the authorised version.

You mean "the Catholic Version" that preceded the KJV? I guess like Daniel 14, some wouldn't want people to know we've replaced Yahweh with Bal worship.

budaatum:


You mean "the Catholic Version" that preceded the KJV? I guess like Daniel 14, some wouldn't want people to know we've replaced Yahweh with Bal worship.

The Word of God preceded the Vatican. See the thread showing the timeline that represents the battle between the Vatican and Protestant England in the attempt to destroy the true Word of God.

https://www.nairaland.com/163349/attack-infallible-word-god/3#80524512