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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by adanny01(m): 7:10pm On Jun 15, 2019
3him3n:

You are contradicting yourself. Doing a very poor job defending the seller.

How do you really wish that this case be resolved?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 3him3n: 7:12pm On Jun 15, 2019
adanny01:


How do you really wish that this case be resolved?
You dont know me and i dont know you.
I dont wish to have any further conversation with you on this subject.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 7:12pm On Jun 15, 2019
3him3n:
Good to have you here. I dont get easily swayed by calling the name of God in vain.
Should i share screenshot of our WhatsApp engagement here?


Bro since he is here just try to get him to change the doors that didnt meet specification.

Hopefully you guys find a reasonable solution.

Peace

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by chizagi: 7:15pm On Jun 15, 2019
Please go ahead and share it, i admitted that one of the doors was not exact design and that was because they were same draft design with the one you chose and are stored together, and the loaders mistake one for another sometimes. I am a 100 percent legitimate business man my brother. I am not a scammer, have never been and will never be.


3him3n:
Good to have you here. I dont get easily swayed by calling the name of God in vain.
Should i share screenshot of our WhatsApp engagement here?

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by jceesquare(m): 7:19pm On Jun 15, 2019
chizagi:
You paid me for 17 units of doors and i supplied 17 units of doors, but one door out of the 17 units was not the exact design you chose, that does not make me a scammer. I have never scammed anyone in my life or in this forum, so many people have patronised me on this forum and are always satisfied. This is totally unfair sir, let God be the judge.


And adanny01 was trying to silence the complainer?
If you Mr. Supplier did not inform the buyer about the one that was different front the rest then you did wrong sir.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 3him3n: 7:21pm On Jun 15, 2019
chizagi:

Please go ahead and share it, i admitted that one of the doors was not exact design and that was because they were same draft design with the one you chose and are stored together, and the loaders mistake one for another sometimes. I am a 100 percent legitimate business man my brother. I am not a scammer, have never been and will never be.


Let me give you the opportunity to review your statement on 1. Is it only 1 door that wasnt the design i chose?

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Timtol(m): 7:24pm On Jun 15, 2019
Hmm
Kindly let peace rein.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by loffers(m): 7:31pm On Jun 15, 2019
jceesquare:

And adanny01 was trying to silence the complainer?
If you Mr. Supplier did not inform the buyer about the one that was different front the rest then you did wrong sir.

Yea, the supplier is totally wrong.

You supplied a different specification from wht was ordered. Assuming it was done in error as you claimed, you shuld have made every effort to correct that error and not allow your client to come to this forum and accuse you of fraud.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by jceesquare(m): 7:31pm On Jun 15, 2019
Since the supplier has come out to admit that a door (or more as claimed by buyer) was mistakenly shipped to Edo state, then I believe this can be resolved easily.
Both parties should reach an agreement on how this can be settled amicably.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 3him3n: 7:39pm On Jun 15, 2019
jceesquare:
Since the supplier has come out to admit that a door (or more as claimed by buyer) was mistakenly shipped to Edo state, then I believe this can be resolved easily.
Both parties should reach an agreement on how this can be settled amicably.
It was 14 doors that clearly wasn't the design i chose.
Can someone asked him why i wasnt informed before loading, at loading, after loading, during transit, during layover or even after unloading?

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by jceesquare(m): 7:52pm On Jun 15, 2019
3him3n:

It was 14 doors that clearly wasn't the design i chose.
Can someone asked him why i wasnt informed before loading, at loading, after loading, during transit, during layover or even after unloading?
Sir I would suggest you put a call through to him and decide on how to resolve this.
2 possibly ways of fixing it are.
1. Returning the defective doors for the right one.
2. Supplier offset the balance for the door and buyer keeps it.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 3him3n: 7:58pm On Jun 15, 2019
jceesquare:

Sir I would suggest you put a call through to him and decide on how to resolve this.
2 possibly ways of fixing it are.
1. Returning the defective doors for the right one.
2. Supplier offset the balance for the door and buyer keeps it.
We are public forum already.
Let him explain himself here.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by chizagi: 8:21pm On Jun 15, 2019
The panel door has a slight circle design at the top, but same dark walnut you requested for.

3him3n:

Let me give you the opportunity to review your statement on 1. Is it only 1 door that wasnt the design i chose?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by adanny01(m): 8:28pm On Jun 15, 2019
jceesquare:

And adanny01 was trying to silence the complainer?
If you Mr. Supplier did not inform the buyer about the one that was different front the rest then you did wrong sir.

Can you quote me or give proof that i tried to silence the complainer. I said several times, he should not call it fraud because timhis doesnt qualify as fraud! The seller made costly mistakes which i agreed and pointed out, it may be a breach of trust but not criminal breach of trust or fraud for that matter.

I gave the blame to the supplier and asked the complainant to talk to the supplier to find a way to send the affected items back and correct the mistake. I have told the op, if he doesn't want them, send them back.

You are deliberately trying to put words in my mouth.

To add:

I asked for left swing you gave me right.swing
I asked for oak colour you gave me walnut colour
I asked for box pattern you gave me round pattern

How does this supply become fraud or crime. Its a simple wrong supply, return them and get the correct ones and the story ends.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 3him3n: 8:32pm On Jun 15, 2019
chizagi:
The panel door has a slight circle design at the top, but same dark walnut you requested for.

So you saying these 2 designs are similar?

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by loffers(m): 8:54pm On Jun 15, 2019
3him3n:

So you saying these 2 designs are similar?

I'm surprised at the comment of some people here, I ordered for rectangular design but you supplied circular design (with defects again) , and some are saying this is not fraud.
You posted 'A' online, I saw it,liked it and requested for it, but you sent me 'B'.
If 14 out of 17doors are totally different from what the client requested for, then we can't call that a mistake again but a deliberate act which is fraudulent.

You posted mangoes, I saw them liked them and ordered for mangoes but you sent me Apples.

Other defn of fraud -

a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities.
"mediums exposed as tricksters and frauds"
synonyms: impostor, fake, sham, pretender, hoodwinker, masquerader, charlatan, quack, mountebank; More
swindler, fraudster, racketeer, cheat, cheater, double-dealer, trickster, confidence trickster;
informalphoney, con man, con artist;
datedconfidence man

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by ThatHistoryGuy(m): 9:26pm On Jun 15, 2019
Cindino20:


he should pay for transportation when the seller did not deliver the right items? I dont understand how and why you expect him to do that.


I understand you trying to mediate and calm the situation down but truth be told the seller of these doors should be held accountable and be made to supply the right items.

The buyer can decide to pay half the transportation cost if he wants to.

as for Op..sometimes it is better to just buy these things in the city where u re building in a local shop where u can easily hold the seller responsible..Nigerians re not ready for e-commerce yet..there is no protection for the buyers/sellers of items online.

Some of us actually are sir
Have supplied many times to nairalanders and there hardly has been any complaints here
And sometimes mistakes happens.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by jceesquare(m): 9:33pm On Jun 15, 2019
adanny01:


Can you quote me or give proof that i tried to silence the complainer. I said several times, he should not call it fraud because timhis doesnt qualify as fraud! The seller made costly mistakes which i agreed and pointed out, it may be a breach of trust but not criminal breach of trust or fraud for that matter.

I gave the blame to the supplier and asked the complainant to talk to the supplier to find a way to send the affected items back and correct the mistake. I have told the op, if he doesn't want them, send them back.

You are deliberately trying to put words in my mouth.

To add:

I asked for left swing you gave me right.swing
I asked for oak colour you gave me walnut colour
I asked for box pattern you gave me round pattern

How does this supply become fraud or crime. Its a simple wrong supply, return them and get the correct ones and the story ends.
Oga you stylishly hushed him up (intentionally or unintentionally) just because he called the act of supplying different doors from what he ordered fraud.
Look at the doors that was requested for and look at the doors that were delivered. Are they the same?
The supplier added 3 different doors to the supply without informing the buyer until he (the buyer) raised alarm before admitting supplying the doors in errors and you are here defending it.
Even your stand on the left to right swing to is fraud if it does not fit to the design pattern of the house.
If I order for a left hand drive fully loaded Toyota Camry with v6 engine, leather interior, and other accessories and you supply me a right hand drive Toyota Camry it would be counted as fraud irrespective of the options on it.
As long as buyer was specific on what he wants, anything short on that without dully informing the buyer is fraud sir no matter how big or small it is.
If you must make changes then let the buyer know what you're about doing.
Good thing supplier said it was done in error, he should accept that error and do the necessary changes.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by SlimChay: 9:48pm On Jun 15, 2019
blacksta:


Oga .. Can you supply me paint ... I checked out Dulux .. too expensive ... Please what are my options ..

Thanks
Good evening.

I can see you're need of quality yet affordable paints. Well, Dulux like other first generation paints are good too but there's something you should consider about first generation paint firms, they are way over the price bar due to having established brands for decades hence have high share price and aren't considerate to indigenous manufacturers.

I can supply you our very fine albeit new brands and quality too. Quality paint is not a secret or monopolised by already known brands. It is just simply increased of content of material/chemicals which in turn means more money. So check this link to a thread@ profile or reach us @ 08144976780 or email: akeousprochemltd@gmail.com for info or sales order.

Thanks
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 10:44pm On Jun 15, 2019
adanny01:


Can you quote me or give proof that i tried to silence the complainer. I said several times, he should not call it fraud because timhis doesnt qualify as fraud! The seller made costly mistakes which i agreed and pointed out, it may be a breach of trust but not criminal breach of trust or fraud for that matter.

I gave the blame to the supplier and asked the complainant to talk to the supplier to find a way to send the affected items back and correct the mistake. I have told the op, if he doesn't want them, send them back.

You are deliberately trying to put words in my mouth.

To add:

I asked for left swing you gave me right.swing
I asked for oak colour you gave me walnut colour
I asked for box pattern you gave me round pattern

How does this supply become fraud or crime. Its a simple wrong supply, return them and get the correct ones and the story ends.

I think you are a very poor mediator. The rampant contradictions in your understanding of this matter is fueling more anger.

So now that the supplier is giving his own version of event, it would be helpful if you stopped digging and don't flog your case further. The more you dig, the more you are getting the situation inflamed.

Just for the record, fraud has nothing to do with with like for like financial cost as you keep banging about.

Fraud is established by INTENSION not cost. So if I ordered for a blue Benz 200 as displayed on your website or as agreed on a messanger platform like WhatsApp, and you INTENTIONALLY supplied red Benz 200 of same price, fraud can be established.

In this scenario, the supplier has gained from the transaction, he shifted a product he's finding difficulties in shifting. The client is out of pocket as he didn't get the product he paid for.

I suggest you rest your case.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Hum2020: 10:50pm On Jun 15, 2019
@ chizagi let all now agree you are not a scammers you call him so you both can settle this issue amicable only then will know that it was a mistake by the loader but failure to do so whatever name he called you blame yourself

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by chizagi: 11:27pm On Jun 15, 2019
Sure i will call and settle it with him, thanks for your concern, i apprrciate.

Hum2020:
@ chizagi let
all now agree you are not a scammers you call him so you both can settle this issue amicable only then will know that it was a mistake by the loader but failure to do so whatever name he called you blame yourself
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by adanny01(m): 11:28pm On Jun 15, 2019
diordaves:


I think you are a very poor mediator. The rampant contradictions in your understanding of this matter is fueling more anger.

So now that the supplier is giving his own version of event, it would be helpful if you stopped digging and don't flog your case further. The more you dig, the more you are getting the situation inflamed.

Just for the record, fraud has nothing to do with with like for like financial cost as you keep banging about.

Fraud is established by INTENSION not cost. So if I ordered for a blue Benz 200 as displayed on your website or as agreed on a messanger platform like WhatsApp, and you INTENTIONALLY supplied red Benz 200 of same price, fraud can be established.

In this scenario, the supplier has gained from the transaction, he shifted a product he's finding difficulties in shifting. The client is out of pocket as he didn't get the product he paid for.

I suggest you rest your case.

I have said and rest my case long ago, i can only repeat my case probably in a language i think you should understand and if you dont, my case is still resting.

How are you sure the seller intentionally sent you the red Benz 200? How are you sure that the seller's driver didn't mistake his instructions or the seller didn't give proper instructions to his driver who made the delivery. In that case, to establish intent that the Benz seller had for fraud, the red Benz 200 needs to be cheaper or the blue Benz 200 has been sold to another customer. Otherwise, its just a mix up and calling it fraud will be character assassination. What happens to, "hello, you delivered the wrong car and i would not accept it, take it back and get me my car or refund."

If what you say is true, Konga, Jumia and all online Marchants would have been sued daily for fraud. Thats why they have a return policy. You paid for something and got something else, you return it not say its criminal or fraud. It is when the seller refuses to take back or correct the error or refund then we say fraud. At this point there is intent to defraud.

Lastly and repeatedly, let the op call the seller and ask for the right thing to be done. If the seller says he wont do, then he can called him a scammer, criminal, fraud etc and i will support the op. If the seller nows does the right thing, how can op take back the damage he has done in calling the seller criminal and fraud etc.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Olazzeedris(m): 11:39pm On Jun 15, 2019
Johnadelaide00:
My Ogas in the house, pls what best way can this be rectified.

Firstly;study the cause of the cracks !
Secondly : Identify maybe structural or minor problem.
In reference to posted picture!
If the crack occur only one side as you said, that seems not to be structural cracks.
Then remedy shouldn't assume!

Note: Their's electrical piping works along the cracks which can also cause the cracks, if the pipes are nt well patch up with cement. As a result of these, still a minor cracks.
Try to figure out the above information for the proper remedy.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by SAMJOSH1: 3:25am On Jun 16, 2019
@OnMyHonour

I want to sincerely appreciate how you have come out to mention the good deeds of Mr Bashiru. A lot of people you hire just want your money and at the end delay progress of what you intend to do or do a terrible job. Some years back I found myself diverting good sum of money that I had wanted to use for building project as there was no one to trust.

This is my first post on this channel and I have stayed awake till this time because I am troubled about a building project that I want to start in Ibadan. I like to encourage young people and I was going to entrust this project to someone who has already started to take me for granted.

I need someone to entrust this project to and I shall definitely be consulting Mr Bashiru.

May I use this medium to ask if I can get the contact of an honorable person in the house who is an expert in producing Bill of quantity (BOQ)

Thank you.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by raymondFirstborn(m): 5:35am On Jun 16, 2019
SAMJOSH1:
@OnMyHonour

I want to sincerely appreciate how you have come out to mention the good deeds of Mr Bashiru. A lot of people you hire just want your money and at the end delay progress of what you intend to do or do a terrible job. Some years back I found myself diverting good sum of money that I had wanted to use for building project as there was no one to trust.

This is my first post on this channel and I have stayed awake till this time because I am troubled about a building project that I want to start in Ibadan. I like to encourage young people and I was going to entrust this project to someone who has already started to take me for granted.

I need someone to entrust this project to and I shall definitely be consulting Mr Bashiru.

May I use this medium to ask if I can get the contact of an honorable person in the house who is an expert in producing Bill of quantity (BOQ)

Thank you.

contact me on 09056082348(call & whatsapp) for the Bill of quantity (BOQ)
Raymondfubara@gmail.com
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Timtol(m): 7:46am On Jun 16, 2019
raymondFirstborn:


contact me on 09056082348(call & whatsapp) for the Bill of quantity (BOQ)
Raymondfubara@gmail.com
I trust u buddy to always keep the hustle alive but you to be careful ooo don't allow another wahala here oo I think I trust you tho cheesy grin
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Tammynator(m): 9:05am On Jun 16, 2019
Good day once again my esteemed team of builders and professionals. I have another question.
If someone is to cast a dpc, does he have to do some part of the plumbing before the casting? I keep wondering how drains for the bathroom and the toilet will be done when dpc has been cast already. Especially, the recessed type in bathrooms. Imagine having your foundation up to 6 courses high do u need to bore the wall by the side to direct the toilet waste and bathroom drains to the pit? Does your pit also need to be up to the dpc height? Thanks team.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by rotecch77(m): 9:49am On Jun 16, 2019
Tammynator:
Good day once again my esteemed team of builders and professionals. I have another question.
If someone is to cast a dpc, does he have to do some part of the plumbing before the casting? I keep wondering how drains for the bathroom and the toilet will be done when dpc has been cast already. Especially, the recessed type in bathrooms. Imagine having your foundation up to 6 courses high do u need to bore the wall by the side to direct the toilet waste and bathroom drains to the pit? Does your pit also need to be up to the dpc height? Thanks team.


The best approach is to do your waste piping system (stage1) before the casting of the DPC,but if condition warrant you not to do it at that time you can do it after.

More so, either your foundation is high or not ones your piping system is conduit type you need to perforate the foundation block down to the desired level where it will connect to the chamber port.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by raymondFirstborn(m): 9:55am On Jun 16, 2019
Timtol:

I trust u buddy to always keep the hustle alive but you to be careful ooo don't allow another wahala here oo I think I trust you tho cheesy grin

thanks bro.We would definitely meet soon.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mank1234(m): 10:58am On Jun 16, 2019
jceesquare:

Oga you stylishly hushed him up (intentionally or unintentionally) just because he called the act of supplying different doors from what he ordered fraud.
Look at the doors that was requested for and look at the doors that were delivered. Are they the same?
The supplier added 3 different doors to the supply without informing the buyer until he (the buyer) raised alarm before admitting supplying the doors in errors and you are here defending it.
Even your stand on the left to right swing to is fraud if it does not fit to the design pattern of the house.
If I order for a left hand drive fully loaded Toyota Camry with v6 engine, leather interior, and other accessories and you supply me a right hand drive Toyota Camry it would be counted as fraud irrespective of the options on it.
As long as buyer was specific on what he wants, anything short on that without dully informing the buyer is fraud sir no matter how big or small it is.
If you must make changes then let the buyer know what you're about doing.
Good thing supplier said it was done in error, he should accept that error and do the necessary changes.

The cost of return and resending should be born by the seller because it's his error.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by verbena: 11:48am On Jun 16, 2019
Please I need advise on doors (security and internal) or tiling which one should happen first. My tiler is telling me needs doors before tiling while the door person is telling me I should tile before putting in the doors. I plan on using imported HDF doors for the internal doors.

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