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Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by AgentOfAllah: 9:26pm On Jul 05, 2019 |
Gerrard59: Well, now you're beginning to ask the right questions! How do we judge who deserves to be paid? That's not so hard. American slavery is a pretty recent phenomenon so it's not so hard to trace the ancestry of slave descendants. All descendants of slaves, no matter their social or economic status, deserve to be paid. It doesn't even matter if they've mixed so much that you can't tell if they're black anymore, or if they are descendants of slaves that bought their freedom (that would only make them deserve more pay, in fact). Non of that information is of real consequence though. What's important is that they are descendants. There are a number of ways they can be paid: Tuition free education in the absolute best schools around for all, from nursery all the way to Ivy league education. Guaranteed jobs for those who have patiently acquired the minimum skill level required for civil service jobs, interest free mortgages or even outright provision of free properties in some of the most upscale neighbourhoods across the country. For those not interested in college, complete financial support to pursue their preferred vocational interests, free health care. These are just some of the ways restitutions can began to be paid. The modalities can be worked out by more competent policy hawks than myself. What makes you think I believe descendants of thieves would freely give back what their ancestors stole? No, they will kick and scream bloody murder!! Matter of fact, we've not even finished pronouncing "restitu..." and they're already panicking and playing this divide and conquer tricks on black immigrants, so as to weaken the positions of, and support for slave descendants. They may not have known about it, but if they continue to benefit from it after knowing their privilege comes from stolen labour, they have become generational partakers in the oppression. It's the apparatus of state that will eventually be used to enforce it when socialists begin to take over the reigns of power. |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by edi287: 9:28pm On Jul 05, 2019 |
Parrot69:of course you can't prove what I said wrong -why am I not surprised?? My pocket money in a month back in college would've probably paid your school fees. Infact I doubt you even make more than that in a month. Look at who is trying to "feed me" Arrogant ram |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Parrot69: 9:32pm On Jul 05, 2019 |
edi287: Kids everywhere.. Kids talk. I’m done with you. 1 Like |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by edi287: 9:38pm On Jul 05, 2019 |
Parrot69:Coward. Are you running?? Now you're done with me?? After quoting my post and insulting my parents? You're fucking slowpoke!! May sango strike you where ever you are. Awon "mature person". Arrogant ram |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by edi287: 9:51pm On Jul 05, 2019 |
Freedem:Don't mind them. Let them keep deceiving themselves. Funny thing is when Trump made the shithole comment and folks brought up this same point Candace has - they claimed it was so because of affirmative action. |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Obi1kenobi(m): 9:58pm On Jul 05, 2019 |
Gerrard59: And there is no other reason for that like the sexual revolution and upending of patriarchal norms, and secularization etc. It's specifically because of welfare? I'm sure someone at US conservative think tanks like the Heritage Foundation or whoever can make such a case with motivated reasoning and confirmation biases, but it doesn't seem a rigorous, multivariate analysis of the issues. For starters, I will have to stress once more that the United States has the least generous welfare programs in the industrialized West. The US Democrats who are supposed to be the left wing party in the US are to the right of pretty much every right-wing party in Western Europe or Canada or Australia on matters of the economy and fiscal policy. Things taken for granted in other wealthy advanced democracies like universal healthcare coverage are seen as radical socialist policies in the US. This already renders the notion of black Americans being bottle-fed to stupor and indolence by the US government a falsehood. And I'll have to stress once more that even in bastions of right-wing politics in the US like the Deep South, black people still struggle with all the same social problems as they do in blue states. Black people in Mississippi are not exactly on a tear of upward mobility and affluence just because they have less access to social welfare programs than their counterparts elsewhere.
What book by the author? I only saw a blog post. The numbers on Wikipedia suggest you're wrong. More people (about 12 million) were transported in a much shorter period of time (16th to 19th centuries AD) to the Americas as slaves than in nearly 10 centuries of the peak of the transsaharan slave trade (upper estimates of 9 million) between the 10th and 19th centuries AD. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Paulo3ree(m): 10:06pm On Jul 05, 2019 |
Tolexander:Hmm Truth, peace and equality is all human seek 1230 on nairaland, I HV never seen such since I joined nairaland Truly people are sure seeking for a functional nation This 1230 simply shows how ironical things are with our dear people |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Switup: 11:13pm On Jul 05, 2019 |
Built2last:hhy ya. I've been offline for about a year. Just popped in today and saw this. Totally forgot, cus the Silent Readers Associations' secretary lost our records. Therefore, The entire Silent Readers Association wishes to decline our initial announcements with regrets... I thought yours was like 1k or so. Meanwhile,( collects the crown back from @Tolexander... )My bad bro. But will keep on monitoring till you break the record. Hearty cheers for your bountiful comment. Oga oya coman carry... *Drops mic |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Switup: 11:19pm On Jul 05, 2019 |
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Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Switup: 11:27pm On Jul 05, 2019 |
But wait o. On a very serious note, are people really still dragging issues likes these... I mean, we are in about page nine or so..... Sha Nigerian kuku like fight more than quarrel.... On another note, I've been off here for like a year now... Really feels refreshing to be back... |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by kroger: 12:33am On Jul 06, 2019 |
timesup234: Look at your shithole hospital.. idiot like you..
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Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Gerrard59(m): 8:53am On Jul 06, 2019 |
Obi1kenobi: I never stated that it was solely due to welfarism. However, as much as the sexual revolution and upending of patriarchal norms have afforded women rights (which is a good thing anyway), these same policies have disrupted the family system thereby making more blacks to be raised by a single parent (of which the vast majority are women) even when stats show that the two parenting system raises better molded children. Certainly, one I'm sure someone at US conservative think tanks like the Heritage Foundation or whoever can make such a case with motivated reasoning and confirmation biases, but it doesn't seem a rigorous, multivariate analysis of the issues. For starters, I will have to stress once more that the United States has the least generous welfare programs in the industrialized West. The US Democrats who are supposed to be the left wing party in the US are to the right of pretty much every right-wing party in Western Europe or Canada or Australia on matters of the economy and fiscal policy. Things taken for granted in other wealthy advanced democracies like universal healthcare coverage are seen as radical socialist policies in the US. This already renders the notion of black Americans being bottle-fed to stupor and indolence by the US government a falsehood. And I'll have to stress once more that even in bastions of right-wing politics in the US like the Deep South, black people still struggle with all the same social problems as they do in blue states. Black people in Mississippi are not exactly on a tear of upward mobility and affluence just because they have less access to social welfare programs than their counterparts elsewhere Cultures differ across the globe. Humans are different across the globe and their behaviours ditto their way of life. So how Canadians, Australians, Swedish etc. utilise the welfare system will be different from Americans of which there are different races and cultural norms amongst Americans. Which brings me to the point that certain aspects of the black culture stifles development and wealth generation. Thankfully, Coleman Hughes did justice on the subject. https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/ What book by the author? I only saw a blog post. The numbers on Wikipedia suggest you're wrong. More people (about 12 million) were transported in a much shorter period of time (16th to 19th centuries AD) to the Americas as slaves than in nearly 10 centuries of the peak of the transsaharan slave trade (upper estimates of 9 million) between the 10th and 19th centuries AD. Certainly longer in the duration. Funny enough, it's westerners that were the first to stop the trade before anyone else even as it continues to date in some parts of the world. |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Gerrard59(m): 9:04am On Jul 06, 2019 |
AgentOfAllah: First bold: Reparations connotes appeasing/compensating victims. Question is: how many of those victims are alive today? The policy of reparations is divisive and honesty, it does no good because it further perpetuates the victimisation belief most people have towards AAs. Second bold: Good luck in your "socialist dreams". I cannot wait to see how that will be paid (which will provide the benefits of the italised part). Also, I can imagine the impending civil unrest that will invoke across America should it be implemented which is possible futuristically knowing that 1 in 5 Americans have a favourable view of communism. Yet again, some of these policies have been implemented for over half a century yet AAs are still poorer than ever before. |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Ugosample(m): 9:21am On Jul 06, 2019 |
Gerrard59: I think reparations is not the way to go as well |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by AgentOfAllah: 9:57am On Jul 06, 2019 |
Gerrard59:All the descendants that are alive are victims as long as no real effort had been made to compensate them. Second bold: Good luck in your "socialist dreams". I cannot wait to see how that will be paid (which will provide the benefits of the italised part). Also, I can imagine the impending civil unrest that will invoke across America should it be implemented which is possible futuristically knowing that 1 in 5 Americans have a favourable view of communism.One is allowed to dream... If true, 1 in 5 is already an impressive number, and it's only set to grow given the ballooning disaffection with capitalism. Yet again, some of these policies have been implemented for over half a century yet AAs are still poorer than ever before.What policies were implemented? War on drugs? Disproportionate incarceration of black Americans for victimless crimes? Please list these socialist policies that have made black Americans poorer than ever before. 1 Like |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Obi1kenobi(m): 10:20am On Jul 06, 2019 |
Gerrard59: You are only identifying cultural problems with black people. I talk about them too and get called racist. We have no disagreements there. But identifying those problems is not what is under dispute here, but your identifying the source of those problems as being welfare. That is a fallacy of right-wing argumentation in America that seeks to morally defend policies that erode the social safety net of American citizens. Economists have always known that the main reason Americans reject welfare is not because of their undying devotion to laissez faire capitalism, but their perception of black people and minorities leeching off the hard work of white people. If America was more racially homogeneous, there'd be far greater will to assist the underclass. You can argue that welfare does not solve the problems of black people, but you can't argue that it is the major cause of the problems of black people. The irresponsible spending patterns of black people for example persists through all income levels comparative to white or Asian Americans. From the wretched homeless guy on the street who still wants to own a smart phone to wealthy vulgar exhibitionists like Mayweather and all those rap stars, the same propensity for vain luxuries persist in black culture. This propensity is not magically eradicated when you take away the already ungenerous social programs that assist the most impoverished people. It just leads to even greater misery. |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by AkataWoman: 10:29pm On Jul 06, 2019 |
Omega30: Her statement was general and incorrect. Nigerians are the most educated ethnic group. Ethnic means any ethnicity that is not white. This simply means they have earned more college degrees in America. However, they’re not the highest earning, have the most wealth or most successful in terms of professional titles and positions. Furthermore, Nigerian immigrants who migrate LEGALLY are issued visas largely for the purpose of attending school here. They can’t just come barging through the border. They’re vetted. That means the majority of them will be coming here for the sole purpose of going to school. So she’s taking that tiny population of SELECTED Nigerians and comparing them to ALL ethnic groups in America? Or for the sake of her point let’s just focus on Black Americans. Any intelligent person knows you can’t compare a tiny sampling to a whole entire population. A comparable comparison would be Nigerians in Nigeria being compared to black Americans in the US. Black Americans would be more successful on all counts. Candace’s comparison is like looking at immigrants with student visas in Nigeria (I know there really aren’t any but play along) and comparing them to the citizens in Nigeria. Why, of course the immigrants are more educated! They were granted visas for that purpose! Candace was just being mean-spirited and divisive with that silly tweet. I’m glad people didn’t fall for it. 1 Like |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by AkataWoman: 10:32pm On Jul 06, 2019 |
Candace’s statement also overlooks the fact that the same population of Nigerians in America are also more educated than white Americans. But as Americans we (black and white) have serious home court advantage. We don’t need to earn as many degrees to be as successful financially or professionally. |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by fxbot: 9:18am On Jul 07, 2019 |
adebayo1998:fooolll. if it is igbo that said this now, you moooronics will call them chestbeaters |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Lionessza6(f): 1:34pm On Jul 07, 2019 |
izombie: What are these things we feel we should be given ?. The millions of South Africans who wake up daily to make their country liveable and functional even for parasites like yourself are begging what from whom?. Bloody roaming criminal . |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by tck2000(m): 1:58pm On Jul 28, 2019 |
Tolexander:Yes |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Ugosample(m): 2:46pm On Jul 28, 2019 |
AkataWoman: I see |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by Nobody: 12:44pm On Nov 03, 2020 |
Obi1kenobi:I disagree. You are clearly looking at things through a lens of race. I believe you are Nigerian. Look around, a country like Nigeria where we are all black are doing poorly and the underclass are not being helped. While you might want to argue the issue of tribe in nigeria, It still doesn't prove true. For example, the Hausas have the widest wealth gap than any other tribe, having both the richest and poorest. Something else you should know is equal opportunities do not equate equal outcome If there's are two individuals, or groups, or races. One would surely be better than the other in different areas. |
Re: Americans Discuss The Good Side Of Nigerians On Twitter. (screenshots) by naija4life247: 10:23am On Jun 13, 2022 |
adebayo1998: Tbe topic of Discussion is Nigerians. Not Yorubas or Ibiobios or Ikwerres. Don't get me angry this morning |
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