Jesus said in:
Matthew 5:43 - "You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
Matthew 5:44 - But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you


I am writing this in respect to a Nairalander here who wrote in one of his topics that Christians aren't supposed to love all but to hate some.. I'll be using the examples of people he mentioned that we should hate as case study.

In the above Bible passages, it is clear enough that Jesus commanded that we love not just our friends, families, neighbours and those whom we are compassionate about, but also we should love our enemies. And I believe such enemies today could be seen as those who have wronged us, persecuted us, despitefully used us, murdered our loved ones, stole from us etc. which should include the Fulani Herdsmen, Boko Haram members, murderers, armed robbers, prostitutes, fraudsters and the likes whom the Nairalander mentioned.

If we are to hate these sets of people, how are we as Christians supposed to share the gospel of Christ with them?? When you hate someone, you'll definitely not want to have anything to do with that person.. But Jesus taught that we shouldn't hate them, but rather we should hate their deeds, their evil works, their adulterous and sinful lifestyles etc. Jesus and His disciples sat, ate and drank with the publicans/sinners in His time, and I believe they included murderers, fraudsters, adulterers, fornicators and the likes. He often used those opportunities to preach the gospel to them. There were times he was hard on them, just as in the case of Matthew 23 when he spoke tough on the deeds of the Pharisees and Scribes of His time.

The Nairalander quoted Proverbs 6:16-19, which reads

16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
...and claims God hated them in person even after Proverbs 6:16 clearly says six things doth the Lord hate.. I wonder why Jesus came into this world to save sinners which include murderers, Boko Haram members, fraudsters, prostitutes etc, people whom the Nairalander claimed God hates, isn't that heresy?

The Nairalander also quoted Proverbs 5:5
'The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.' God is a holy God and expect us to be holy too, He hates it when men perpetrate evil and wickedness that's why He often speaks against such evil, but this same God is ever merciful to these same people to the extent of coming to the world in flesh to die for them and for us all so that we will be saved. If God hated wicked and sinful people, He wouldn't have bothered coming to the world to preach the gospel to them, heal their sicknesses, raise their dead, free them from demonic spirits and above all die for them.. Oh! What manner of love is this!! It is the devil who works in men to perform evil (that's to those who give satan a legal ground to use them), God knows this that is why He can never hate us for He is Love.

There was never a time God meant we should hate anyone in person. God is love and in Him there is no hatred. He only rebukes and hates the sinful deeds of men and is ever merciful and with open arms towards such when they repent and turn away from their wicked ways.

I will like you all to note categorically that No Christian should hate anyone, be it the Muslims, herdsmen, boko haram members, prostitutes, robbers, fraudsters and the likes. We live in a world where such people exists and if we are to go with what Jesus commanded, we are to love even our enemies. We shouldn't love the deeds of those who engage in wicked or evil lifestyles, but we should love them personally and always pray for them as Jesus commanded us to do in Matthew 5:44 - ...pray for those who despitefully use you and persecute you. We are in the world but we are not supposed to indulge in the sinful lifestyle of the world, we should rather reprove them. We should be as wise as serpent and as gentle as a dove.

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
- Galatians 5:14-15


Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world - 1 JOHN 4:1

Let the Holy Spirit continue to open our understanding to the Truth of His Word in Jesus' Name, Amen.

Our Debt Of Love

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law (Romans 13:

An admirer offered a highly gifted old cobbler five pound sterling (which meant so much at that time). The money was an unsolicited loan for the expansion of the cobbler’s business. The money was accepted with thanks. However, after three days of wrestling with the thought of owing such a huge amount of money, the old man returned the fund intact to the lender with the explanation that he had lost his peace because of the loan. Indebtedness is such a miserable experience that, in every culture, there is an axiom that speaks ill or it.

ln the same vein, Apostle Paul enjoins Christians to “owe no man any thing”. Whereas it is not a sin to owe money or material, the Christian should as much as possible, stay out of debt. lt is wicked to fail to pay a debt that you are in a position to pay. In the same breadth, we are told here of a necessary debt that we owe our neighbours which we must continue to pay. It is the debt of love.

Even though the world has grossly abused the term ”love", the Bible clarifies the concept. ”Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.” Genuine love will make us not to even think or plan any evil against others, let alone doing things that can hurt their person or fortune. For the Christian, love is not only a restraining influence but a constraining one. True love constrains us to do good to others as much as lies in our power. In a world that is terribly darkened by hate, racism, injustice, greed and selfishness, your show of genuine love will brighten the corner where you are.

Religious profession and devotion that is bereft of love that springs from a renewed heart is worthless. We must examine ourselves in the light of this reality, especially considering the shortness of time at our disposal, and shake off every work of darkness.


He who loves unconditionally like Christ has life eternally with Him.

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Lalasticlala

Why not put a link to the thread by the Nairalander so that people can see who truly represented the word of God correctly.

Let me help you with the thread which lalasticlala has turned a blind eye to and doesn't want to love to front page because he and his kind have been blinded by liberal political correctness.

https://www.nairaland.com/5268515/why-christians-should-not-fall

Read with an honest and open mind to judge for yourself what the word of God is saying, not your own emotion and sentiments.

Nice one OP.

The Words of Jesus is coming back to take it rightful place in the church.

And the gates of hell cannot prevail!

alBHAGDADI:

Why not put a link to the thread by the Nairalander so that people can see who truly represented the word of God correctly.

Let me help you with the thread which lalasticlala has turned a blind eye to and doesn't want to love to front page because he and his kind have been blinded by liberal political correctness.

https://www.nairaland.com/5268515/why-christians-should-not-fall

Read with an honest and open mind to judge for yourself what the word of God is saying, not your own emotion and sentiments.

Thank you for adding that yourself Sir.. I'm not speaking based on my emotion and sentiment, rather I'm speaking based on my personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Makschinchin:


Thank you for adding that yourself Sir.. I'm not speaking based on my emotion and sentiment, rather I'm speaking based on my personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

There's no such thing as personal relationship with Christ. He's your master and head while you are his servant. He dictates orders which you have to follow and have no right to cherry pick. Failure to obey his words means you are a disobedient servant.

Don't be fooled by liberal Christianity which says love everybody. This is why you also believe in a thing called personal relationship with Jesus, a thing the Bible never commanded.

The same Jesus told us he was sent to ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel, and he directed his disciple to preach the gospel only to the Jew. Not only that, he placed a curse on those who are not jew but claim they are. What a racist god my black kinsmen worship.

@OP, didnt your bible ask you to HATE your father and mother?

Christianity propagates hatred, segregation, division, intolerance and disharmony. The love you are preaching is facade.

alBHAGDADI:


There's no such thing as personal relationship with Christ. He's your master and head while you are his servant. He dictates orders which you have to follow and have no right to cherry pick. Failure to obey his words means you are a disobedient servant.

Don't be fooled by liberal Christianity which says love everybody. This is why you also believe in a thing called personal relationship with Jesus, a thing the Bible never commanded.

Thank you for your response, but I'll rather stick to my belief and personal relationship with Jesus no matter how you try to disprove that fact.. It's real, you've not encountered such because you don't believe you can have a personal relationship with Jesus. He is my Master quite alright but He's also my Friend and Advocate..

Albaghdadi, I really pray that you get to know God on a more personal relationship not just knowing Him through the Scriptures..

FOLYKAZE:
The same Jesus told us he was sent to ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel, and he directed his disciple to preach the gospel only to the Jew. Not only that, he placed a curse on those who are not jew but claim they are. What a racist god my black kinsmen worship.

@OP, didnt your bible ask you to HATE your father and mother?

Christianity propagates hatred, segregation, division, intolerance and disharmony. The love you are preaching is facade.

Not so.
Everyone has a purpose here on earth. Jesus may have sent His disciples to preach the gospel to the Israelites at a particular time, but it doesn't mean they were forbidden to preach the gospel to others.

Listen to Jesus' command to His disciples before He ascended to Heaven,
Mark.16.15 - And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
Matthew 28:19 - Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Matthew 28:20 - teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
Mark.16.20 - And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.

Apostle Paul preached mostly to the Gentiles (those who weren't Israelis). He even called himself an apostle of the Gentiles in Romans 11:13. I'd rather you attach scriptural passages to support your claims especially where you said Jesus placed a curse on those who aren't Jews.

BTW, Christianity doesn't propagate hatred, segregation, division, intolerance and disharmony like you mentioned.. That's heresy! True followers of Christ are to love all and live at peace with all men as the Bible commands.

Thank you

Makschinchin:


Not so.
Everyone has a purpose here on earth. Jesus may have sent His disciples to preach the gospel to the Israelites at a particular time, but it doesn't mean they were forbidden to preach the gospel to others.

Then, Jesus may have been speaking from both sides of his mouth. Such inconsistent person shouldn't be taken serious.

The bible pointed out, that he came and was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL. He directed his disciples not to go to the Samaritans and Gentiles. He was so specific and straightforward. That mean the whole gospel isn't meant for you and me. Jehovah is the God of Israel and He had sent his only son to the Israelite. That is racism.

Makschinchin:

Listen to Jesus' command to His disciples before He ascended to Heaven,

Matthew 28:19 - Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Matthew 28:20 - teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

I am familiar with that verse you quoted above. It is one of those misunderstood statement in the bible. Jesus has clearly made himself clear with the parable of good Shepherd. And that is if you understand that parable and correlate it with matt 28:19-20

The parable tells a story of a Shepherd who went looking for his lost sheep in the wilderness. And when he found the sheep, he bring it to the fold and become happy.

There is also a statement where Jesus mentioned that there is another sheep fold which is not among his flock.

Who are the sheep or who does the bible represent as sheep? Israelites.

Many nations are represented as wolf, lion, and other wild animals. They all dwell in the wilderness BUT THE SHEPHERD DOESN'T GIVE A FUUCCKKKK ABOUT THEM.

Therefore, the nations been talk about in matt 28:19-20 is the entire world. Accepted.

But the message is sent to the lost tribe of Israel who are scattered worldwide.

The shepherd (Jesus) is concerned with his lost sheep (lost tribe of Israel), not Hyenas, Snakes, Jackass or wolf.

So unless you are a Jew or descendant of a jew that went missing after Babylon ransacked Israel, you are only deceiving yourself with some racial discriminatory religion.

Makschinchin:

Mark.16.15 - And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.

Mark.16.20 - And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.

Mark 16:8-end are not in the original manuscript. Those verses you are quoting were fraudulently added into the bible from the smelly aaazz of Bible scholars. It is figment of scholar imagination and fake

Do your finding here http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?

Makschinchin:

Apostle Paul preached mostly to the Gentiles (those who weren't Israelis). He even called himself an apostle of the Gentiles in Romans 11:13. I'd rather you attach scriptural passages to support your claims especially where you said Jesus placed a curse on those who aren't Jews.

Apostle Paul is not the same person as Jesus so cannot speak for him. For the record, he does not know Jesus in person, wasn't one of his disciple or learn the teaching of Jesus from Jesus directly. So he cannot speak for him.

Another fact is so many disciples of Jesus disagreed with Paul on some teachings. That is because Paul is a reformist and founding his new religion, founded on Jesus words. He contradicted Jesus in so many ways. Such character cannot be accepted as a speaker for Jesus. He was on his own.



On the bible passage you required, I think that is Rev 2:9, 3:9

Makschinchin:

BTW, Christianity doesn't propagate hatred, segregation, division, intolerance and disharmony like you mentioned.. That's heresy! True followers of Christ are to love all and live at peace with all men as the Bible commands.

Thank you

What would you call a religion that teaches Hatred from a to father and mother? Hatred

What would you call a religion that focus on some particular people and left out others? Segregation

Christianity as it is known creates divide between believers and non believer. Your religion is formulated heaven and eternal hell. Isn't that a divide?

What does your religion teaches about harmony? Nothing. Can you have harmony with Lucifer? Nope. Thus you teaches disharmony..

Christianity is founded on the principle of hatred. The so called love is fallacy.

Jehovah is everywhere proclaiming himself as the GOD OF ISRAEL. He said the he INHERITED Israel from the Most High. Israel is his inheritance and he cherished her than any other thing on earth. Like in the parable, Israel is his sheep which he protect from ewe.

That same racist God sent his son to his lost sheep, the lost tribe of Israel. A God who created whole animal would care about the welfare of other animals but Jehovah is concerned only about his herd of sheep. He condemned Edom and Edomites because they ain't his. Such God is callous and wicked.

Jesus ain't different either. Following the steps of Jehovah, he sent his disciples to go to the house of Israel only, forsaking the Samaritans and Gentiles. He also called a Samaritan woman, Dog. What could be more insulting than calling a human being, woman, dog? And did Jesus told you in parable that Shepherd went looking for sheep and dog? Isn't dog helpless in the wilderness too?

You see, many of you have been deceived for long, it is time you refrain from the religion that blindfolded you, took away your identity and heritage, submit you into perpetual slavery. Grow up. You ain't a sheep and won't be a sheep. Follow your likes, for a lion don't wander around with sheep

FOLYKAZE:
The same Jesus told us he was sent to ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel, and he directed his disciple to preach the gospel only to the Jew. Not only that, he placed a curse on those who are not jew but claim they are. What a racist god my black kinsmen worship.

@OP, didnt your bible ask you to HATE your father and mother?

Christianity propagates hatred, segregation, division, intolerance and disharmony. The love you are preaching is facade.

Oops. You forgot to add the part of the saying where He also said "you must also hate yourself."

Perhaps the meaning of hatred in this context exceeds the boundaries of your mentality.

Makschinchin:


Thank you for your response, but I'll rather stick to my belief and personal relationship with Jesus no matter how you try to disprove that fact.. It's real, you've not encountered such because you don't believe you can have a personal relationship with Jesus. He is my Master quite alright but He's also my Friend and Advocate..

Albaghdadi, I really pray that you get to know God on a more personal relationship not just knowing Him through the Scriptures..

Have you met him before? Have you seen him before? Then what's the personal relationship you share other than you following what he tells you as seen in the scriptures?

When you people don't want to obey his words in the scriptures, that's when you come up with the silly excuse of personal relationship saying "leave me alone with how me and my God are handling our issue". Look, don't be fooled. If you are not obeying his words in the scriptures, then whatever personal relationship you claim to have with him is just deceit from you. He has given you orders in the scriptures, follow them and stop creating your own phantom ideology of a relationship.

Where did Jesus instruct His followers to hate their enemies?


It's baffling how some people can't differentiate between Judaism and Christianity!

How can one repay evil with good when he hates his enemies?

OkCornel:
Where did Jesus instructed His followers to hate their enemies?

If your own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters are enemies, then, that's where He did

OkCornel:
It's baffling how some people can't differentiate between Judaism and Christianity!

How can one repay evil with good when he hates his enemies?

I hate all workers of iniquity, enemies of progress and thieving bastards.
If my enemy or thieving bastard is on fire, I love him/her enough, to piss on to and put the fire out
That is how one differentiates between OT and NT and how you repay evil with good, when you see your hated enemy that was on fire

MuttleyLaff:
If your own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters are enemies, then, that's where He did

I hate all workers of iniquity, enemies of progress and thieving bastards.
If my enemy or thieving bastard is on fire, I love him/her enough, to piss on to and put the fire out
That is how one differentiates between OT and NT and how you repay evil with good, when you see your hated enemy that was on fire

So Jesus instructed his followers can go ahead to HATE their brothers, sisters, husbands and wives if they are enemies... Muttley, please bring the scriptural reference where Jesus instructed such...


Wow... Hatred for one's enemies/evil doers must really be a fruit of the Spirit as well...

Stephen must have also hated those that stoned him to death...

Perhaps Jesus hated and cursed those that crucified Him since they're workers of iniquity too...

OkCornel:
So Jesus instructed his followers can go ahead to HATE their brothers, sisters, husbands and wives if they are enemies... Muttley, please bring the scriptural reference where Jesus instructed such...


Wow... Hatred for one's enemies/evil doers must really be a fruit of the Spirit as well...

Stephen must have also hated those that stoned him to death...

Perhaps Jesus hated and cursed those that crucified Him since they're workers of iniquity too...

If Stephen hadnt died, he would have picked up each stone and build a wall of defence for himself

Blind bats are getting the words of Jesus wrong. Love your enemies doesn't equate to love everybody in the world. Abi una no go school?

Jesus only said we should love our enemies and he gave example of who they are and how we should love them. He stated that they are those who do bad against us and spitefully use us. He said we shouldn't retaliate but do good to them instead. He's talking about our personal enemies.

An example is that colleague at work who loves to tarnish our image before the bosses. He loves to take credit for our effort and is even working towards ensuring we get sacked. How are we to treat that colleague? We show him love by not retaliating when we have the chance. If we see that he's unable to fulfill a task at work because it's overwhelming, we should help him. This can make him have a change of heart, because an enemy can later become a friend.

But how is a child molester my enemy that some ignorant fools are telling me not to hate but love? He didn't molest me as a child neither did he molest my child. So basically, he's not my personal enemy because he didn't do any wrong to me personally.

But I'm to hate him for what he does to children, destroying their lives, because he's evil. You can't claim to love children yet love child molester. To love him is to keep quiet about his evil.

You can keep quiet about the bad your colleague at work does to you and not report him to the bosses, but you can't do the same for a child molester. If he's not reported because of the misunderstood phrase 'love tour enemies'', then he'll continue to destroy other children.

Oh "love the sinner but hate the sin". To love the sinning child molester is to keep him safe from authorities who want to lock him up. No, he should be locked up forever for his crimes of being a pedophile. To hate the sin is to frown at it but smile at the sinner as he moves on to his next victim. Sadly, the next victim might be your child who might die in the process. Maybe by then you would throw away the veil of political correctness and call for his head.

Love your enemy and neighbor doesn't mean love everybody in the world. If it were so, the below passage which teaches love for neighbor won't also teach contemn (hate) for a vile person.

Psalm 15 (KJV)
15 Lord, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?
2 He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.
3 He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour.
4 In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the Lord. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not.

The passage is saying that before you can make heaven, you have to love your neighbor and Hate a vile person.

To those fools saying we as Christians are to love everybody, how come the Bible requires we hate a vile person? Shouldn't that tell you that loving everybody is never a commandment of the Bible but of the satanic world who don't really love everybody? What they are basically doing is programming you to love what they tell you to love and hate what they tell you to hate.

They tell you not to hate homosexuals because hate is bad. But the moment you express hate for homosexuals, you will see the look on their face and how it will be filled with hate such that they will almost swallow you alive. Yet they preach against hate

Look at the lies one fool wrote below

It is very clear Jesus addressed the issue of hating one's enemies in this verse;

Matthew 5:43 - "You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'. (AS PRACTICED IN THE OLD COVENANT)

Now Jesus replaced that with a new instruction in Matthew 5 v 44 -

Matthew 5:44 - But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you. (JESUS' COMMANDMENT TO HIS FOLLOWERS!)

He's saying that in the Old Testament, God allowed people to hate their enemies, but he suddenly changed to a different God in the new testament by telling people to love their enemies.

Look, God does not change and he's the same yesterday, today and forever.

Malachi 3:6 (KJV)
6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Look at how he misquoted Jesus, making it to say Jesus said the old testament allowed the children of Israel to hate their enemies. Ask the fool to show you in the entire Old Testament where God said his people should hate their enemies, he won't find such. But I can show you where the children of Israel we're told to love their personal enemies in the Old Testament by doing good to them.

Exodus 23:24
If thou meet thine enemy's ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again.

That's a command to love your enemies right there in the Old Testament. But that false teacher says such was never given to the Israelites. He clearly misunderstood the words of Jesus or he's just intentionally here to deceive people. Now, let's take a look at what Jesus actually said.

Mathew 5:43-44
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Jesus didn't say "It was written in The Old Testament" that you should hate your enemy. No, he said they "have heard". They heard a false saying of "hate your enemy" which was prevalent back then but contrary to the Old Testament. God never gave such commandment, it was a falsehood that was spreading then and probably from Satan. Jesus put a stop to that falsehood by showing them that they need to love their enemies and how to do such.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Be sincere with yourself, what did he say that is different from what God said in the Old Testament below?

Exodus 23:24
If thou meet thine enemy's ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again.

He clearly taught that we should do good to our enemies just as it was taught in the Old Testament. But that fool whose comment you will see below is saying. Jesus came to change or teach another doctrine and even abolish the law and the prophets.

Matthew 5:17-20 (KJV)
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

He didn't come to abolish the law and the prophets, that's why he taught the exact same thing they taught on love for one's enemy.

MuttleyLaff:
If Stephen hadnt died, he would have picked up each stone and build a wall of defence for himself

According to Muttley's version of the Bible...

OkCornel:
According to Muttley's version of the Bible...

TGIF

jesusjnr:
Oops. You forgot to add the part of the saying where He also said "you must also hate yourself."

Perhaps the meaning of hatred in this context exceeds the boundaries of your mentality.

Oohhh thanks, I forgot to add that too. Jesus instructed his disciples to hate oneself. That is the worst form of hatred.

You probably don't see how demonic it is to hate oneself, probably you don't understand it wholly, you would have seen how pathetic it is and hide your face in shame instead of putting it out to me.

Hating oneself, hating yourself or myself simply implies self-hatred. Self hatred, also know as self loathing is an extreme hated of oneself, which can be linked to guilt of one action that are viewed as wrong. People who hate themselves are found to have very low self esteem.

How do we define self? Before you missed the point, self isn't just person, it is defined by a lot of factors which are; history, cultural identity, cultural values, race, and lot more. Therefore, it is important to note that hating one history, one cultural values, skin color, race, cultural identifies imply that one hate himself or herself.

So manu Christians are guilty of hating themselves. It starts by disregarding your history, and subscribing to other people history. As a Yoruba person, your history traces back to Sango, Obatala, Oduduwa, Orunmila and many Yoruba ancestors. This historical linkage give person that Yoruba identity. However, many of you Christians disregard your ancestral histories and cling unto ancestral of David, Jesse, Jacob and Abraham. You loathe, dislike and hate your own history, that is self hating.

Your cultural identity appears in your name. People who bear Soyinka, Oguntade, Sangonise, Esudara, etc abort there cultural identity and wear onto themselves slavish names like Isaiah, Abn Saidi, Yakubu, Samuel, Sixtus, Benjamin, etc. The names have no cultural relationship with your background. They are nee tags worn after you disregard your much hated cultural identity. Abi wetin be the meaning of Ibrahim in Yoruba? Or Isaiah in Igbo? Only those who hate themselves abandon their cultural identity to foreign ones.

Haring oneself goes along with inferiority complexity of racial group. Only in Africa Christians trace themselves to Abraham. Only in Africa, Christians affiliate themselves with Cain, Esau and Ham, taking upon themselves curses that are on the head of these people. Only in Africa Christians admit blacks are cursed. Only in Nigeria Igbo Christians abolish their ancestral background and subscribe to Jewish ancestry even when they don't have relationship with Israel.

Someone that hates himself, hating of oneself is equals to distasteful attitude toward one identity, values and history.

Jesus asked you to

FOLYKAZE:


Oohhh thanks, I forgot to add that too. Jesus instructed his disciples to hate oneself. That is the worst form of hatred.

You probably don't see how demonic it is to hate oneself, probably you don't understand it wholly, you would have seen how pathetic it is and hide your face in shame instead of putting it out to me.

Hating oneself, hating yourself or myself simply implies self-hatred. Self hatred, also know as self loathing is an extreme hated of oneself, which can be linked to guilt of one action that are viewed as wrong. People who hate themselves are found to have very low self esteem.

How do we define self? Before you missed the point, self isn't just person, it is defined by a lot of factors which are; history, cultural identity, cultural values, race, and lot more. Therefore, it is important to note that hating one history, one cultural values, skin color, race, cultural identifies imply that one hate himself or herself.

So manu Christians are guilty of hating themselves. It starts by disregarding your history, and subscribing to other people history. As a Yoruba person, your history traces back to Sango, Obatala, Oduduwa, Orunmila and many Yoruba ancestors. This historical linkage give person that Yoruba identity. However, many of you Christians disregard your ancestral histories and cling unto ancestral of David, Jesse, Jacob and Abraham. You loathe, dislike and hate your own history, that is self hating.

Your cultural identity appears in your name. People who bear Soyinka, Oguntade, Sangonise, Esudara, etc abort there cultural identity and wear onto themselves slavish names like Isaiah, Abn Saidi, Yakubu, Samuel, Sixtus, Benjamin, etc. The names have no cultural relationship with your background. They are nee tags worn after you disregard your much hated cultural identity. Abi wetin be the meaning of Ibrahim in Yoruba? Or Isaiah in Igbo? Only those who hate themselves abandon their cultural identity to foreign ones.

Haring oneself goes along with inferiority complexity of racial group. Only in Africa Christians trace themselves to Abraham. Only in Africa, Christians affiliate themselves with Cain, Esau and Ham, taking upon themselves curses that are on the head of these people. Only in Africa Christians admit blacks are cursed. Only in Nigeria Igbo Christians abolish their ancestral background and subscribe to Jewish ancestry even when they don't have relationship with Israel.

Someone that hates himself, hating of oneself is equals to distasteful attitude toward one identity, values and history.

Jesus asked you to

Your entire write-up sums up the extent of your ignorance of the meaning of "hatred" in that context.

For the reason I mentioned the part of hating oneself there, was that I thought it would help you better understand what it meant there.

But at the end I ended up confusing you further.

So have you ever read the saying "thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself?"

You can use that to help mitigate the effects of that confusion that has arisen because of that saying I initially gave to you concerning hating one's self.

But I would also leave you with this Saying of Jesus for that purpose:

Matthew 16:24 (KJV)

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

God bless.

jesusjnr:
Your entire write-up sums up the extent of your ignorance of the meaning of "hatred" in that context.

For the reason I mentioned the part of hating oneself there, was that I thought it would help you better understand what it meant there.

But at the end I ended up confusing you further.

So have you ever read the saying "thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself?"

You can use that to help mitigate the effects of that confusion that has arisen because of that saying I initially gave to you concerning hating one's self.

But I would also leave you with this Saying of Jesus for that purpose:

Matthew 16:24 (KJV)

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

God bless.

You, my Comrade ended up saying nothing. Everything you wrote up here have no meaningful output that explains the word 'hatred' in that context. What does it mean, in whatever context, to HATE your father, mother, brother, sister, children and your own life? Hate is the direct opposite of love. So there is no how you twist it, hate there mean absence of love.

In the aspect of hating oneself or own life, I described it with 'self-hatred' and provided a detailed explanation what self hatred implies. In case you don't know what self hatred is, you can easily consult Google and wikipedia. Your dictionary too isn't exempted. Self-hatred extends, race, historical and ethnical background, and social values. I shouldn't do the job of copying, pasting and coloring as if I am talking to a kid before you understand what self hatred is.

As per the bible verse you quote above, can you explain how ONE WILL DENY HIMSELF? What does denying oneself mean?

That bible verse above buttress my points. It tells that you've got to disregard every form of identification and take upon yourself a new identity. This self is identity. Identity is defined by history, cultural values, names, race, skin color and ethnical belonging. When there isn't sense of belonging, there is no self awareness.

Therefore, Jesus implies that you've got to disregard your history and cultural heritage and remain submissive as sheep to him. That is why there are master-slave relationship between his followers.

Luke 14:26 Amplified bible
AMPC If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his [own] father and mother [in the sense of indifference to or relative disregard for them in comparison with his attitude toward God] and [likewise] his wife and children and brothers and sisters—[yes] and even his own life also—he cannot be My disciple.

Note the word "RELATIVE DISREGARD"? Oohh you may attempt twisting it.

I can see the shame in your writings, as you cherish your parents and do not want to 'hate' them as instructed by Jesus. You do not want to accept the fact but here it is straying at you.

There is no two ways of interpreting 'hate'. It is complete opposite of love. And as shown in other Bible versions, it explains that hate there mean 'relative disregard'. Should we run around the world finding meaning of 'relative disregard?

The bible dictates you can follow Jesus after you've disregard your parent, wife, children and even your own life. Hating own life mean self-hatred which can be defined as extreme hatred for oneself.

Oneself can only be defined by the historical, cultural, ethnical background of that person. An African that traces his ancestry through Abraham is lost. You my brother, you are lost and complete shame to Mama Africa.

MuttleyLaff:
TGIF

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I am just amazed how someone can be so bereft of understanding to keep on quoting the Old Testament to justify hatred for certain people.

It is very clear Jesus addressed the issue of hating one's enemies in this verse;

Matthew 5:43 - "You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'. (AS PRACTICED IN THE OLD COVENANT)


Now Jesus replaced that with a new instruction in Matthew 5 v 44 -


Matthew 5:44 - But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you. (JESUS' COMMANDMENT TO HIS FOLLOWERS!)



Jesus hates sin and evil, and expects same from His followers...

But never did He instruct believers should go ahead to hate people for the evil they do!

At least we have something in common, that we find nothing meaningful in what we are saying to each other.

So long bro!

FOLYKAZE:


You, my Comrade ended up saying nothing. Everything you wrote up here have no meaningful output that explains the word 'hatred' in that context. What does it mean, in whatever context, to HATE your father, mother, brother, sister, children and your own life? Hate is the direct opposite of love. So there is no how you twist it, hate there mean absence of love.

In the aspect of hating oneself or own life, I described it with 'self-hatred' and provided a detailed explanation what self hatred implies. In case you don't know what self hatred is, you can easily consult Google and wikipedia. Your dictionary too isn't exempted. Self-hatred extends, race, historical and ethnical background, and social values. I shouldn't do the job of copying, pasting and coloring as if I am talking to a kid before you understand what self hatred is.

As per the bible verse you quote above, can you explain how ONE WILL DENY HIMSELF? What does denying oneself mean?

That bible verse above buttress my points. It tells that you've got to disregard every form of identification and take upon yourself a new identity. This self is identity. Identity is defined by history, cultural values, names, race, skin color and ethnical belonging. When there isn't sense of belonging, there is no self awareness.

Therefore, Jesus implies that you've got to disregard your history and cultural heritage and remain submissive as sheep to him. That is why there are master-slave relationship between his followers.

Luke 14:26 Amplified bible
AMPC If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his [own] father and mother [in the sense of indifference to or relative disregard for them in comparison with his attitude toward God] and [likewise] his wife and children and brothers and sisters—[yes] and even his own life also—he cannot be My disciple.

Note the word "RELATIVE DISREGARD"? Oohh you may attempt twisting it.

I can see the shame in your writings, as you cherish your parents and do not want to 'hate' them as instructed by Jesus. You do not want to accept the fact but here it is straying at you.

There is no two ways of interpreting 'hate'. It is complete opposite of love. And as shown in other Bible versions, it explains that hate there mean 'relative disregard'. Should we run around the world finding meaning of 'relative disregard?

The bible dictates you can follow Jesus after you've disregard your parent, wife, children and even your own life. Hating own life mean self-hatred which can be defined as extreme hatred for oneself.

Oneself can only be defined by the historical, cultural, ethnical background of that person. An African that traces his ancestry through Abraham is lost. You my brother, you are lost and complete shame to Mama Africa.

jesusjnr:
At least we have something in common, that we find nothing meaningful in what we are saying to each other.

So long bro!

It doesn't change the fact that Jesus didn't die for your sin, he wasn't sent to redeem you, the gospel is not meant for you, you are a synagogue of satan and can never be a Jew.

OkCornel:
I am just amazed how someone can be so bereft of understanding to keep on quoting the Old Testament to justify hatred for certain people.

It is very clear Jesus addressed the issue of hating one's enemies in this verse;

Matthew 5:43 - "You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'. (AS PRACTICED IN THE OLD COVENANT)


Now Jesus replaced that with a new instruction in Matthew 5 v 44 -


Matthew 5:44 - But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you. (JESUS' COMMANDMENT TO HIS FOLLOWERS!)



Jesus hates sin and evil, and expects same from His followers...

But never did He instruct believers should go ahead to hate people for the evil they do!

The same Jesus commanded you guys to HATE your parents, wife, children, siblings and yourself before you can qualify as his disciple.

Why would anyone propagate hatred either to oneself or to one relative all in the name of serving God of Israel?

FOLYKAZE:


It doesn't change the fact that Jesus didn't die for your sin, he wasn't sent to redeem you, the gospel is not meant for you, you are a synagogue of satan and can never be a Jew.

Yes what you said doesn't change this fact, but only further comfirms it!

jesusjnr:
At least we have something in common, that we find nothing meaningful in what we are saying to each other.

So long bro!

alBHAGDADI:


Have you met him before? Have you seen him before? Then what's the personal relationship you share other than you following what he tells you as seen in the scriptures?

When you people don't want to obey his words in the scriptures, that's when you come up with the silly excuse of personal relationship saying "leave me alone with how me and my God are handling our issue". Look, don't be fooled. If you are not obeying his words in the scriptures, then whatever personal relationship you claim to have with him is just deceit from you. He has given you orders in the scriptures, follow them and stop creating your own phantom ideology of a relationship.

I never told you that I don't obey His Word from the Scriptures. And stop being too aggressive with people, that someone has a different point of view from yours doesn't make that person wrong like you always paint it to be.

Maybe you're thinking it's only through the Bible that we get to know Christ. There are so many ways God reaches out to us and speaks to us: Through dreams, His still small voice, through the Scriptures, His audible voice, through visions, the Holy Spirit inserts His thoughts into our minds, through angels, and He even uses other people to talk to us (unaware to them)..

Thank you

FOLYKAZE:


The same Jesus commanded you guys to HATE your parents, wife, children, siblings and yourself before you can qualify as his disciple.

Why would anyone propagate hatred either to oneself or to one relative all in the name of serving God of Israel?

Wow...

The same Jesus that clearly mentioned his followers should love both their neighbors and enemies... And also love your neighbor AS YOURSELF...


Clap for yourself... When you are done, show us where Jesus mentioned his followers should HATE their brothers, sisters and Parents...

FOLYKAZE:


Then, Jesus may have been speaking from both sides of his mouth. Such inconsistent person shouldn't be taken serious.

The bible pointed out, that he came and was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL. He directed his disciples not to go to the Samaritans and Gentiles. He was so specific and straightforward. That mean the whole gospel isn't meant for you and me. Jehovah is the God of Israel and He had sent his only son to the Israelite. That is racism.

I am familiar with that verse you quoted above. It is one of those misunderstood statement in the bible. Jesus has clearly made himself clear with the parable of good Shepherd. And that is if you understand that parable and correlate it with matt 28:19-20

The parable tells a story of a Shepherd who went looking for his lost sheep in the wilderness. And when he found the sheep, he bring it to the fold and become happy.

There is also a statement where Jesus mentioned that there is another sheep fold which is not among his flock.

Who are the sheep or who does the bible represent as sheep? Israelites.

Many nations are represented as wolf, lion, and other wild animals. They all dwell in the wilderness BUT THE SHEPHERD DOESN'T GIVE A FUUCCKKKK ABOUT THEM.

Therefore, the nations been talk about in matt 28:19-20 is the entire world. Accepted.

But the message is sent to the lost tribe of Israel who are scattered worldwide.

The shepherd (Jesus) is concerned with his lost sheep (lost tribe of Israel), not Hyenas, Snakes, Jackass or wolf.

So unless you are a Jew or descendant of a jew that went missing after Babylon ransacked Israel, you are only deceiving yourself with some racial discriminatory religion.




Mark 16:8-end are not in the original manuscript. Those verses you are quoting were fraudulently added into the bible from the smelly aaazz of Bible scholars. It is figment of scholar imagination and fake

Do your finding here http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?



Apostle Paul is not the same person as Jesus so cannot speak for him. For the record, he does not know Jesus in person, wasn't one of his disciple or learn the teaching of Jesus from Jesus directly. So he cannot speak for him.

Another fact is so many disciples of Jesus disagreed with Paul on some teachings. That is because Paul is a reformist and founding his new religion, founded on Jesus words. He contradicted Jesus in so many ways. Such character cannot be accepted as a speaker for Jesus. He was on his own.



On the bible passage you required, I think that is Rev 2:9, 3:9



What would you call a religion that teaches Hatred from a to father and mother? Hatred

What would you call a religion that focus on some particular people and left out others? Segregation

Christianity as it is known creates divide between believers and non believer. Your religion is formulated heaven and eternal hell. Isn't that a divide?

What does your religion teaches about harmony? Nothing. Can you have harmony with Lucifer? Nope. Thus you teaches disharmony..

Christianity is founded on the principle of hatred. The so called love is fallacy.

Jehovah is everywhere proclaiming himself as the GOD OF ISRAEL. He said the he INHERITED Israel from the Most High. Israel is his inheritance and he cherished her than any other thing on earth. Like in the parable, Israel is his sheep which he protect from ewe.

That same racist God sent his son to his lost sheep, the lost tribe of Israel. A God who created whole animal would care about the welfare of other animals but Jehovah is concerned only about his herd of sheep. He condemned Edom and Edomites because they ain't his. Such God is callous and wicked.

Jesus ain't different either. Following the steps of Jehovah, he sent his disciples to go to the house of Israel only, forsaking the Samaritans and Gentiles. He also called a Samaritan woman, Dog. What could be more insulting than calling a human being, woman, dog? And did Jesus told you in parable that Shepherd went looking for sheep and dog? Isn't dog helpless in the wilderness too?

You see, many of you have been deceived for long, it is time you refrain from the religion that blindfolded you, took away your identity and heritage, submit you into perpetual slavery. Grow up. You ain't a sheep and won't be a sheep. Follow your likes, for a lion don't wander around with sheep

You may ask why I'm laughing... I'm laughing at the way you carefully took those Scriptural passages out of context, even if something tells me you know better.. Anyways, let us discuss what you mentioned one at a time with the help of the Holy Spirit whom I've called to help me on this:

The bible pointed out, that he came and was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL. He directed his disciples not to go to the Samaritans and Gentiles. He was so specific and straightforward. That mean the whole gospel isn't meant for you and me. Jehovah is the God of Israel and He had sent his only son to the Israelite. That is racism.

Sure, the Bible pointed out that Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. But if you go back to the Scriptures, you'll notice that He fulfilled that mission of His here on earth and He even went to countries outside Israel to preach the gospel on many occasion. I've already told you that Jesus didn't forbid His disciples from preaching the Gospel to non-Jews (I've answered this question already). My dear, don't run away from Jesus, the Gospel is for you and I

There is also a statement where Jesus mentioned that there is another sheep fold which is not among his flock. Who are the sheep or who does the bible represent as sheep? Israelites.

I'll use John Chapter 10 in this case where Jesus is referred to as the Good Shepherd and we all (not Israelites alone), His sheep. The sheep which are not in His fold are those who are yet to believe in Jesus and give their lives to Him, it could be anyone not just Israelites. If it were to be Israelites only, the Bible would have recorded it on countless occasions and there will be no need for Jesus and His disciples traveling out of Israel to preach the Gospel to non Jews.

Mark 16:8-end are not in the original manuscript.

Oh, so because it talks about the risen Christ, how He appeared to many, and His commandment to His disciples to preach the gospel to the whole world, you want me to believe you?? No way

Apostle Paul is not the same person as Jesus so cannot speak for him. For the record, he does not know Jesus in person, wasn't one of his disciple or learn the teaching of Jesus from Jesus directly. So he cannot speak for him.

Sure, he is not the same as Jesus but he is a disciple of Jesus after he was converted. You claim Paul doesn't know Jesus, but the same Paul spoke to the public about his personal encounter with Jesus; how he heard from Jesus and was told what to do by Him (Acts 22:6-10)

On the bible passage you required, I think that is Rev 2:9, 3:9

You speak about Jesus hating non Jews, but that is not what that passage is saying.. Let bring that passage here: REVELATION 2:9
"KJV: I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
AMP: I know your affliction and distress and pressing trouble and your poverty-but you are rich! and how you are abused and reviled and slandered by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a Synagogue of Satan."

NOTE: Those 'who say' they are Jews.. (Same with Rev 3:9)
Meanwhile Philadelphia and Smyrna are outside of Israel ooo (correct me if I'm wrong)
These passages are in no way talking about Jesus' hatred of non Jews (it's very obvious. Thank God you showed me the passage because I was wondering if what you claim could ever be true )

What would you call a religion that teaches Hatred from a to father and mother? Hatred

That same verse you are trying to quote said you should hate yourself (which you knowingly omitted), so what exactly do you think Jesus was saying there??

Christianity is founded on the principle of hatred. The so called love is fallacy. What would you call a religion that focus on some particular people and left out others? Segregation

That's not true sir!

What does your religion teaches about harmony? Nothing. Can you have harmony with Lucifer? Nope. Thus you teaches disharmony..

Harmony with Lucifer God forbid o.. Bros, no be me and you wan harmonize with Satan, Tufiakwa Someone who initiated sin and is the reason for all the hardship and evil many suffer today..I can't harmonise with Satan, because he doesn't even wish any of us well.. We are well today and enjoy life through the grace of Almighty God through Jesus Christ, His Son.

Jehovah is everywhere proclaiming himself as the GOD OF ISRAEL. He said the he INHERITED Israel from the Most High. Israel is his inheritance and he cherished her than any other thing on earth. Like in the parable, Israel is his sheep which he protect from ewe.

I need you to share Scriptural passages for this.. I no come dey believe you again because you like to take one passage and twist it wrongly to suit you.. Me want to read the full chapter

That same racist God sent his son to his lost sheep, the lost tribe of Israel. A God who created whole animal would care about the welfare of other animals but Jehovah is concerned only about his herd of sheep. He condemned Edom and Edomites because they ain't his. Such God is callous and wicked.

You are filled with hate for our God (I guess something made you feel this way. I'm all ears, I don't mind you sharing -personally- if you wish). Jesus may have come in flesh as an Israelite, but that doesn't mean He is God of the Israelites alone. "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed unto us the Word of reconciliation" (-2nd Corinthians 5:19).

You said He condemned Edom/Edomites because they weren't His; have you forgotten that Edom is Esau, Isaac's son, Abraham's grandson?? Please Go back to the book of Genesis and read about the story of Esau, how he lost his rightful place before God and man.

Jesus ain't different either. Following the steps of Jehovah, he sent his disciples to go to the house of Israel only, forsaking the Samaritans and Gentiles. He also called a Samaritan woman, Dog. What could be more insulting than calling a human being, woman, dog? And did Jesus told you in parable that Shepherd went looking for sheep and dog? Isn't dog helpless in the wilderness too?

First and foremost, don't try to separate Jesus from God because Jesus is God.

Jesus never forsook the Samaritans and Gentiles. You failed to mention how He preached the Gospel to a Samaritan woman at Jacob's well in John chapter 4. And for the woman of Canaan you wrongly claimed He called a dog, you know too well from that passage that He wasn't literally referring to the woman as a dog. He said a proverb there, Matthew 15:22-28, "It is not meet to take the children's bread and cast it to dogs" (vs 26), what He meant here could be seen at His first reply to the woman in verse 24, "I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel". Nonetheless, the woman understood the proverb and immediately responded in verse 27, "Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their master's table". Her response clearly shows that she believed Jesus can still heal her daughter even if she wasn't an Israelite, and YES, Jesus healed her daughter instantly because of her faith (vs 28).

STOP TAKING BIBLE PASSAGES OUT OF CONTEXT!! You just claimed Jesus called her a dog and didn't point out what happened in the passage because you want people to believe in the lies you are spreading against the Gospel of Christ.. You won't say the wonderful things Jesus did and is still doing but you will like to turn Scripture passages upside down only to deceive those who don't know the Truth of God's Word. But God won't let you succeed in that in Jesus' Name, AMEN.

You see, many of you have been deceived for long, it is time you refrain from the religion that blindfolded you, took away your identity and heritage, submit you into perpetual slavery. Grow up. You ain't a sheep and won't be a sheep. Follow your likes, for a lion don't wander around with sheep

Following the ways of Jesus is not deceit and can never be. I'll rather encourage you to come into the glorious Light of our Lord and Saviour Jesus and stop yielding your soul, spirit and body to Satan for his evil works against the kingdom of God.

Come to JESUS today!!

God bless you sir.

OkCornel:
Where did Jesus instruct His followers to hate their enemies?


It's baffling how some people can't differentiate between Judaism and Christianity!

How can one repay evil with good when he hates his enemies?

Exactly.. I still find it difficult to understand why some supposed Christians preach otherwise!!