₦airaland Forum

jneutron4000:
there are bad eggs in every ethnic groups and Nations across the world, as we speak there are Edo girls prostituting all across Europe and there are good ones as well. The issue of Kwara you mentioned shows you no nothing about the history. The current Emire of Ilorin is of Yoruba descendant though he styled himself as emir just as how the Oluwo of owo wanted to do. Yorubas fought with each others for about 16 years because of the Oyo oppression, this led to Afonja to invites external force ie Alimi to help him defeat the Oyo, the Fulanis and Afonja and his guards tried their best but the Oyo war lords killed lots of them, Alimi seeing he had lost lots of his brethren, rebelled against Afonja and overthrown it, anyway that an old story, Kwara state has about 16 local governments, 12 belongs to the Yorubas while 4 belongs to Fulanis and others. For me, I feel the fulanis should be allowed to retain the 4 local government has there fore father paid the ultimate price with their lives to defend it against the mighty force of Oyo. Blacks can vote and be voted for in UK because their ancestors was colonised and blacks fought to defend England against the germans force.

Even the ritualism they accuse Yoruba of cut accross every tribes in Nigeria

They call Yoruba cowards and we also think they are cowards

They are just trolls stop giving them attention

MoneyMan5:
Oduduwa was not from Mecca and not from Benin

Oduduwa was from Eastern part of Ile Ife even Ulugbo of Ugbo verified it during his disagreement with Ooni of Ife

But let everyone respect each other opinion anyway

Don't give them any attention

Oduduwa is from Mecca, he fled from religious persecution, probably prophet Muhammad jihad

He was an idol worshipper, he brought two hundred and something idols to Ife and conquered the land.

The Oba of Ugbo kingdom attest to it in recent interview. Stop lying here. Oduduwa formed Ogboni in yoruba land and many more idols you worship there are his children. Example Ogun is the 3 Oni of Ife.

Viralmula:
Go and sit down, if your oduduwa isn't falling from the sky he is coming down with rope like the undertaker, if not for sentiments u ppl will even claim he came from east in Igbo land since some of u are presently claiming Saudi Arabia, I do not argue with inconsistent ppl and I do not argue Edos greatness it speaks for itself , Edo does not need to shamelessly attach itself with other tribes to claim greatness.... So waka pass ozuor

Oduduwa is from Mecca

Xisnin:
The first Oba of Benin is the son of Oranmiyan.
Let that sink in.
Benin was just a town before the arrival of Oranmiyan.
The Oba system borrowed from Ile-Ife helped in expanding Benin dominion.

The late Oba of Benin concocted the Benin prince fiction because of pride.

There are different sides to a story. The Yoruba's have theirs and the Benin's also have theirs.

Believe your side and let us believe our own side.

Just like the conversation that transpired between Oba Akenzua and Ooni Aderemi.

Ooni Aderemi said to Oba Akenzua.. "our son is welcomed back home"
Oba Akenzua said to Ooni Aderemi... "if Ooni calls me his son,he is right and if I call him my son, I am right"

During the coronation of Oba Ewuare 2, he said in the presence of Ooni Ogunwusi. ..."you cannot tell me my story and I cannot tell you yours"


We are here to celebrate the greatness of Oba Oramiyan, Aalafin Oramiyan and Ooni Oramiyan.

Viralmula:
Wait oo lemme drop this here before you run with your story , oromiyan link to Edo is that oduduwa his alleged father was a run away Benin prince who was later requested by Benin chiefs when his father ogiso owodo died, but oduduwa already an old man sent his youngest boy oromiyan to replace him , and the oromiyan barely spent a year or two in Edo before running away back to his ppl because of cultural shock , but he already fathered a child by an Edo nobles daughter so he was free to leave!! And mind you Benin empire existed for centurues before this oromiyan episode!!

Stop this already...In 1982, I was at Ile Ife with my uncle, I saw with my own eyes the burial place for Oba of Benin. The bringing of the corpse of Oba of benin to Ile-Ife for burial just stopped in the 60s due to claims of civilization by the benin people.

The fact that people like you just started cooking up story about Ife and Benin will never change the fact that Oba of Benin is one of the sons of Oduduwa and not the other way round as you want to falsely assert.

Ife Oodaye ni'bi Oju rere ti n gbe mo wal'e Aye.
Ile-Ife ni Orisun Aye gbogbo!

powerless nonsense the Yoruba god.when I said that the Yoruba people don't know God their offspring came for my head at this age of civilization people are still giving glory to idol worship in place of tradition and custom na wa ooo

Herdsmenson:
Yorubas aren't even united, Ekiti people hardly understand Oyo. Egun and even ijebu people aren't Yoruba. Oyo is the real Yoruba. British just join those tribes together to form Yoruba.

Oduduwa is from Benin and not Yoruba, how can great Benin go to Ile Ife(slave) to claim king??

Oduduwa is not from Igodomigodo, he is from Mecca who conquered Ife and later his grandson Orominyan brought war to Igodomigodo and conquered part of it that he names Ille Ibinu which the Portugueses turned to benin.

RockHard:
That staff looks like a long deek.

at first pics I thought I was the only one that noticed it.
pickatyou you're right

muyinet:
Stop this already...In 1982, I was at Ile Ife with my uncle, I saw with my own eyes the burial place for Oba of Benin. The bringing of the corpse of Oba of benin to Ile-Ife for burial just stopped due to claims of civilization by the benin people.

The fact that people like you just started cooking up story about Ife and Benin will never change the fact that Oba of Benin is one of the sons of Oduduwa and not the other way round as you want to falsely assert.

Ife Oodaye ni'bi Oju rere ti n gbe mo wal'e Aye.
Ile-Ife ni Orisun Aye gbogbo!

You are pathological liar. Oba Akenzua died in 1978,was announced to the public in 1979 and all funerals rite was concluded same 1979.

Please someone should take this child out of here and don't derail this thread.

muyinet:
Stop this already...In 1982, I was at Ile Ife with my uncle, I saw with my own eyes the burial place for Oba of Benin. The bringing of the corpse of Oba of benin to Ile-Ife for burial just stopped in the 60s due to claims of civilization by the benin people.

The fact that people like you just started cooking up story about Ife and Benin will never change the fact that Oba of Benin is one of the sons of Oduduwa and not the other way round as you want to falsely assert.

Ife Oodaye ni'bi Oju rere ti n gbe mo wal'e Aye.
Ile-Ife ni Orisun Aye gbogbo!

Let me give you a similar example, prior to 1914, when any Oba died in Benin, they must bury such an Oba in Ile-Ife, since the time of Eweka. It was even Oba Sijuade, who said it, in one of the interviews he granted. He said the last one that happened was around 1914 and since that time, it never happened again. The Benin Obas are never brought again to Ile-Ife for burial. Up till now, the Benin people have a grotto in Ile-Ife. Oba Ado Bini where they were usually buried. So people may not now say you must carry the corpse of an Oba of Benin to Ile-Ife to bury. These are the type of things that are fast changing the way and manner things were done in the past.

https://guardian.ng/features/culture/up-till-1914-benin-obas-were-buried-in-ile-ife-oore-of-mobaland/

Atigba:
Oduduwa is not from Igodomigodo, he is from Mecca who conquered Ife and later his grandson Orominyan brought war to Igodomigodo and conquered part of it that he names Ille Ibinu which the Portugueses turned to benin.

how can human travel from far middle east to sub Saharan Africa? It's impossible.

Stop mixing foreign religion with your culture. Oduduwa is not from mecca

jneutron4000:
Madam, I dont understand why you take am personal, first understand the word Myth. You are telling the story as if you were dere. I guess Ogiso just appear without coming from somewhere. I dont care if Yoruba history and that of Edos might have crossed but with all sincerity in my heart I dont want Edo to be part if Yoruba. I want distinctive between Yoruba and Benin.

We have no link with the Yoruba people, the only major tribe in Nigeria we shared the same ancestors is Igbo.

Benin has nothing in common with the Yorubas, except the Oba of benin who is a Yoruba citizen

Viralmula:
Go and sit down, if your oduduwa isn't falling from the sky he is coming down with rope like the undertaker, if not for sentiments u ppl will even claim he came from east in Igbo land since some of u are presently claiming Saudi Arabia, I do not argue with inconsistent ppl and I do not argue Edos greatness it speaks for itself , Edo does not need to shamelessly attach itself with other tribes to claim greatness.... So waka pass ozuor

what that guy said it's true, I just don't know why you're in sifia pains.
Edo people borrow their culture from both igbo and Yoruba.
Benin don't have a culture of there own.

Edo people have low self esteem. they respect and Adore yorubas a lot.
one even denied me her daughter to marry because I'm Calabar and went ahead and mentioned that it's only Yorubas whom Benin adore that will marry there daughter

Atigba:
We have no link with the Yoruba people, the only major tribe in Nigeria we shared the same ancestors is Igbo.

Benin has nothing in common with the Yorubas, except the Oba of benin who is a Yoruba citizen

and We gladly accept.

Viralmula:
Go and sit down, if your oduduwa isn't falling from the sky he is coming down with rope like the undertaker, if not for sentiments u ppl will even claim he came from east in Igbo land since some of u are presently claiming Saudi Arabia, I do not argue with inconsistent ppl and I do not argue Edos greatness it speaks for itself , Edo does not need to shamelessly attach itself with other tribes to claim greatness.... So waka pass ozuor

And what greatness did you have before Oranmiyan and the obaship institution?
If truly you had greatness in your Ogiso era, why the immediate transition to Oba with a man coming from Ife? Think and stop fooling yourself!

Herdsmenson:
how can human travel from far middle east to sub Saharan Africa? It's impossible.

Stop mixing foreign religion with your culture. Oduduwa is not from mecca

Go and read. I hope u will learn new things from this link. Dont be intellectually lazy

https://www.informationng.com/2015/06/confirmed-biblical-queen-sheba-died-and-buried-in-nigeria-photos.html

Atigba:
Oduduwa is from Mecca, he fled from religious persecution, probably prophet Muhammad jihad

He was an idol worshipper, he brought two hundred and something idols to Ife and conquered the land.

The Oba of Ugbo kingdom attest to it in recent interview. Stop lying here. Oduduwa formed Ogboni in yoruba land and many more idols you worship there are his children. Example Ogun is the 3 Oni of Ife.

Oduduwa was from Eastern part of Ile Ife and not Mecca according to Olugbo of Ugbo himself

proxillin:
OluGbo said they are the original owner of Ile-Ife. That...Oduduwa met his people in Ile-Ife...

This is somehow true because Oduduwa himself accounted that he met some people in Ile-Ife...

No one disputed his claim

He also said Oduduwa was from Eastern part of Ile Ife

proxillin:
Go and read. I hope u will learn new things from this link. Dont be intellectually lazy

https://www.informationng.com/2015/06/confirmed-biblical-queen-sheba-died-and-buried-in-nigeria-photos.html

Oduduwa was not from Mecca

Oduduwa was from Eastern part of Ile Ife according to Olugbo of Ugbo

Herdsmenson:
how can human travel from far middle east to sub Saharan Africa? It's impossible.

Stop mixing foreign religion with your culture. Oduduwa is not from mecca

Are you okay, how do Nigerians that travelled from here to Lybia do it.

He probably use horse, Oduduwa came with two hundred and something idols to Ife, he brought bronze casting to Ife. He was some kind a jihadist

The only aboriginal king i know I yoruba land is the oba of ugbo. He couldn't defeat those guys.

Others were conquered, the real rulers of Ife then were Obatala.

I have taken upon myself to know what actually happened, how oduduwa came to Ife. Certainly not from Igodomigodo, or from yoruba land.

MoneyMan5:
Oduduwa was from Eastern part of Ile Ife and not Mecca according to Olugbo of Ugbo himself

I will upload his interview here, if you wish. According to what Oni of ife told him, he said their father came from Lamoru family in Mecca if I spell it right.

Am happy you even acknowledged the king, for your information this is the only oboriginal king in yoruba land. Oduduwa defeated and conquered others.

Born2Breed:
There are different sides to a story. The Yoruba's have theirs and the Benin's also have theirs.

Believe your side and let us believe our own side.

Just like the conversation that transpired between Oba Akenzua and Ooni Aderemi.

Ooni Aderemi said to Oba Akenzua.. "our son is welcomed back home"
Oba Akenzua said to Ooni Aderemi... "if Ooni calls me his son,he is right and if I call him my son, I am right"

During the coronation of Oba Ewuare 2, he said in the presence of Ooni Ogunwusi. ..."you cannot tell me my story and I cannot tell you yours"


We are here to celebrate the greatness of Oba Oramiyan, Aalafin Oramiyan and Ooni Oramiyan.

According to Olugbo of Ugbo himself even Oba Erediuwa said Oduduwa was from Eastern part of Ile Ife in his memoirs

Olugbo of Ugbo himself also said Oduduwa was from Eastern part of Ile Ife

MoneyMan5:
Oduduwa was not from Mecca

Oduduwa was from Eastern part of Ile Ife according to Olugbo of Ugbo

Stay on the argument. You said its not possible for someone to travel from the middle East to Subsahara Africa in those old times.

I just flawed that with scientific proves.

Stop attaching that screenshot. It has no hostorical/scientifical evidence. Lets argue like learned people and not like Kamilu the mechanic.

Herdsmenson:
how can human travel from far middle east to sub Saharan Africa? It's impossible.

Stop mixing foreign religion with your culture. Oduduwa is not from mecca

The idols you serve in yoruba land are also foreign religion. Ideally you didn't have those idols until oduduwa came into your land.

Born2Breed:
You are pathological liar. Oba Akenzua died in 1978,was announced to the public in 1979 and all funerals rite was concluded same 1979.

Please someone should take this child out of here and don't derail this thread.

This is quite false!

Yes, Oba Akenzua II died in 1978.

But to say that his death wasn't made public until 1979 is false.

We know this is false because the coronation ceremony of his successor (Omo N'Oba Erediauwa) extended from the same year Akenzua died in 1978 and continued into 1979.

see: J. Eboreime, "Coronation as Drama -- The Installation of a Benin Monarch as a Study in The Continuity of Kingship: The Transformation of Tradition and The Manufacture of Ethnic Identity", The Cambridge Journal of Anthropology, Vol. 10, No. 2 (1985)

CITED IN

Roger Blench & Matthew Spriggs, Archaeology and Language I: Theoretical and Methodological Orientations, 2003, p. 313

wherein it is stated that:

" During the coronation of 1978-79, another version which attempted to turn Egharevba's account on its head emerged ("Eboreime 1985" )... "

[The above quoted words actually relate to the first public pronouncement of the "apocryphal" account of a certain fictitious Izoduwa]


Having said that, the account which the young man was giving that there was a tradition of burying parts of deceased Obas of Benin in Ile-Ife is a historical fact admitted by all experts in academia the world over.

It is only on nairaland that it is being debated.

We may dive into a discussion on that if you please.

Cheers!

jneutron4000:
and We gladly accept.

Lastly for your information outside Oyo, Ogun and Osun states. The Aborigines living in Ekiti, Ondo and Lagos are Idu children. They are our children from the land of Igodomigodo.

Atigba:
I will upload his interview here, if you wish. According to what Oni of ife told him, he said their father came from Lamoru family in Mecca if I spell it right.

Am happy you even acknowledged the king, for your information this is the only oboriginal king in yoruba land. Oduduwa defeated and conquered others.

Not Lamoru...Lamurudu... A Yoruba pronunciation for Nimrod.

Anyone from the middle East is regarded as Meccan.

All Odudua divination and Oral history strongly links with Nimrod Tower of Babel..

proxillin:
Not Lamoru...Lamurudu... A Yoruba pronunciation for Nimrod.

Anyone from the middle East is regarded as Meccan.

All Odudua divination and Oral history strongly links with Nimrod Tower of Babel..

Thanks for correcting the spelling

This is what the Oni told the Oba of Ugbo their father came from and I take his words. The Oni of Ife has never asserted that their father is from Yoruba land which is the reason am his fan.

Every thing you have in Yoruba land was brought by Oduduwa, Ogboni was formed by him, he brought many idols you originally dont have in your land.

Atigba:
Lastly for your information outside Oyo, Ogun and Osun states. The Aborigines living in Ekiti, Ondo and Lagos are Idu children. They are our children from the land of Igodomigodo.

So, where do you get all these falsehoods from?

Atigba:
Thanks for correcting the spelling

This is what the Oni told the Oba of Ugbo their father came from and I take his words. The Oni of Ife has never asserted that their father is from Yoruba land which is the reason am his fan.

Every thing you have in Yoruba land was brought by Oduduwa, Ogboni was formed by him, he brought many idols you originally dont have in your land.

I agree with you. Oduduwa brought foreign spiritualism, but he met some people who resisted and fought against him. They are what we called witches. But he conquered some and became friends with some.

Thats why U see those Ogbonis always pay respect to "Iya Osoronga" while saying Incantation.

MoneyMan5:
Oduduwa was not from Mecca

Oduduwa was from Eastern part of Ile Ife...

Exactly, those scholars who claim Oduduwa came from Mecca have a total disregard for Time, the chronology of The Ages and how they are meant to line up in a kind of perfect syzygy.

West Africa predates Asia in years that amount in their thousands upon thousands.

Therefore, the Mecca assertion has no logical basis and as a result is simply implausible.

Let's differentiate rhetorical commentary from true history.