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Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by Atigba: 2:44pm On Jul 17, 2019
proxillin:
I agree with you. Oduduwa brought foreign spiritualism, but he met some people who resisted and fought against him. They are what we called witches. But he conquered some and became friends with some.

Thats why U see those Ogbonis always pay respect to "Iya Osoronga" while saying Incantation.
Yes, the only kingdom he did not conquered is the Ugbo which is the reason I said earlier he is the oboriginal king in yoruba land.

For your information I am a direct descendant of Ogiso. Forget about those binis that are arguing about oduduwa most dont know their history.
Oba Eradiawa destroyed our history in the 80s for supremacy reason. But we know our history and how orominyan came into our land
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by Atigba: 2:50pm On Jul 17, 2019
TAO11:
So, where do you get all these falsehoods from?
Go and ask any Ilaje elder where his ancestors came from and come back to me.

I wont discuss lagos with you, except you are ignorant you should be aware we once run that city. Eko is our name camp. We used it to camp slaves and sell to the white men.

As for Ekiti. Ado Ekiti mean Edo children in Ekiti

Prince Ado is the name of the first Oba of benin (Eweka). The name Orominyan gave him.

Edo mean Ado.
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by jneutron4000: 2:52pm On Jul 17, 2019
Atigba:
Lastly for your information outside Oyo, Ogun and Osun states. The Aborigines living in Ekiti, Ondo and Lagos are Idu children. They are our children from the land of Igodomigodo.
this shows how sick and unlearned you are, in as much I don't want Yoruba to have anything to do with Edos, you have to know that even some of the gods some of you edos worship, abode in Osun state example Ogun is Yoruba deity. Also I am a full blooded Awori man and I am a proud Yoruba. If you don't know, the Yoruba race cut across all western part of Nigeria, part of Kwara, Kogi also down to Benin republic, Togo and descendant taken across the Caribbean during slaves trade era. Igodomigodo ko dodomiredo ni. We Yorubas are one and United, Edos can go and form whatever they want.
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by Amujale(m): 2:57pm On Jul 17, 2019
The staff/Obelix of Oranmiyan is of great historical significance.

These type of rare and iconic artefacts represent a timescale in African history.

Oranmiyan's Obelix is dated by African academics to have been in existence prior to the first Millenium.

Whether you believe it to be CE or BCE, it proves that Africans have beeen in existence before Asians or Europeans.

In a way, similar to place as 'Gobekli Tepe', 'Stonehenge', the 'Giza pyramid complex' the Obelix was left as a way for us to answer the questions of age, dates and times.
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by Atigba: 3:01pm On Jul 17, 2019
jneutron4000:
this shows how sick and unlearned you are, in as much I don't want Yoruba to have anything to do with Edos, you have to know that even some of the gods some of you edos worship, abode in Osun state example Ogun is Yoruba deity. Also I am a full blooded Awori man and I am a proud Yoruba. If you don't know, the Yoruba race cut across all western part of Nigeria, part of Kwara, Kogi also down to Benin republic, Togo and descendant taken across the Caribbean during slaves trade era. Igodomigodo ko dodomiredo ni. We Yorubas are one and United, Edos can go and form whatever they want.
Will you shut up there, so you are even Awori and you dont know your history. You are a disgrace to your ancestors

What is yoruba, there nothing called yoruba I dont mean to use derogatory words. The word yoruba came into being around 200 years ago. It is a word the Fulanis used to refered to people living in Oyo empire.

The Aworis are IDU children who ran away from Igodomigodo many centuries ago.

Our children formed Etiosa local government in lagos state. Tell me the meaning of Etiosa in yoruba you kid
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by osax4pal: 3:02pm On Jul 17, 2019
I remember back then in school, my social studies teacher tells us Oduduwa came down from the sky with rope, cock, maize and earth. When he got to earth he poured the sand, the cock use it legs to scatter it across the earth, where the sand get to that is where u find land, after the cock has done it's job he planted maize which represents the vegetation. What a funny story the Yoruba are holding onto.
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by Atigba: 3:03pm On Jul 17, 2019
jneutron4000:
this shows how sick and unlearned you are, in as much I don't want Yoruba to have anything to do with Edos, you have to know that even some of the gods some of you edos worship, abode in Osun state example Ogun is Yoruba deity. Also I am a full blooded Awori man and I am a proud Yoruba. If you don't know, the Yoruba race cut across all western part of Nigeria, part of Kwara, Kogi also down to Benin republic, Togo and descendant taken across the Caribbean during slaves trade era. Igodomigodo ko dodomiredo ni. We Yorubas are one and United, Edos can go and form whatever they want.
Lastly, even the people you are falsely claiming in Togo, benin republic and Ghana majority of them are still from Igodomigodo.
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by Amujale(m): 3:07pm On Jul 17, 2019
osax4pal:
I remember back then in school, my social studies teacher tells us Oduduwa came down from the sky with rope...
Oduduwa is a Yoruba emissary that hailed from eastern parts of Ife.
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by jneutron4000: 3:11pm On Jul 17, 2019
Atigba:
Lastly, even the people you are falsely claiming in Togo, benin republic and Ghana majority of them are still from Igodomigodo.
hahaha ok, we have heard mouth pieces of Igodomigodo. Yoruba speak one language which is Yoruba, if I say ki ti gbe as an Awori man, an Ijebu man can reply ko gbe re wa fu mi. Also if a Yoruba man from any part of Nigeria travel to let say Togo, Benin republic even as far as Cuba or Brazil and say Eri wo, the reply will be the say as Ya or Aya gbo aya tò. Angelique kidjo songs wombo Lombo, Agolo etc is understood by Every Yoruba on Earth because WE ARE YORUBA. smiley
Lastly mrs Igodomigodo mouth piece, if Oduduwa republic eventually comes, I will personally write to the Oduduwa republic government to build a wall to show a physical border between Yoruba and Benin. I dont mind leaving that of Cotonue open grin grin
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by TAO11(f):
Atigba:
Go and ask any Ilaje elder where his ancestors came from and come back to me.

I wont discuss lagos with you, except you are ignorant you should be aware we once run that city. Eko is our name camp. We used it to camp slaves and sell to the white men.

As for Ekiti. Ado Ekiti mean Edo children in Ekiti

Prince Ado is the name of the first Oba of benin (Eweka). The name Orominyan gave him.

Edo mean Ado.
C'mon!

Did you really mean that your best evidence to defend your own claim is a "go and ask" directive??

Wow! That's very low, you should do better than that.

There is a principle in argumentation and Law known as Onus Probandi and it basically says that for your claim to be accepted (or at least taken seriously) it is you yourself who must prove yourself right (i.e. provide your own evidence proof or reason) rather than shift the burden to someone else who demands that you substantiate your own claim.

I hope you get my point!


Regarding your funny and laughable etymology of Ado Ekiti, I'm sorry to call you out that Ado Ekiti does not mean Edo children in Ekiti.Lol

"Ado" means "We settled" and "Ekiti" signify the "Hilly region".

And for your information, although the word "Edo" sounds like "Ado" they are completely and entirely different.

In fact, "Edo" is a relatively recent coinage in comparison to the more ancient Bini word from which it evolved viz. "Idu".

And also, Eweka never had any name as Ado. I challenge you to provide evidence for this as well.



In summary:

You made an initial claim, and when asked for evidence, all you did was the following:

(1) Shift the burden instead of face the burden.

(2) Repeat the claims

(3) And make more claims.


You simply couldn't didn't substantiate any of your claims. Isn't that interesting? Lol


I, however, volunteer to accept your shifted burden and school you and spoon feed you on all the claims you've made above, only on the condition that you acknowledge explicitly here that you've failed woefully so far to substantiate any of your many claims with evidence, proof or reason.

Cheers!
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by Amujale(m): 3:19pm On Jul 17, 2019
Atigba:
Lastly, even the people you are falsely claiming in Togo, benin republic and Ghana majority of them are still from Igodomigodo.
You are totally and utterly wrong. These are our brothers and sisters on the continent that Oranmiyan himself continually served as Emperor whilst in his Majestic office.

Historical records affirms that administrative relations persists prior to the evils of European intervention.
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by Atigba: 3:22pm On Jul 17, 2019
Amujale:
You are totally and utterly wrong. These are our brothers and sisters on the continent that Oranmiyan himself continually served as Emperor whilst in his Majestic office.

Historical records affirms that administrative relations persists prior to the evils of European intervention.
Majority are not your children, I have interact with them personally especially the once in Togo. I can hear their language they can hear me too if I speak.
Even the Togo president visited Benin city many years ago.
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by Atigba: 3:25pm On Jul 17, 2019
TAO11:
C'mon!

Did you really mean that your best evidence to defend your own claim is a "go and ask" directive??

Wow! That's very low, you should do better than that.

There is a principle in argumentation and Law known as Onus Probandi and it basically says that for your claim to be accepted (or at least taken seriously) it is you yourself who must prove yourself right (i.e. provide your own evidence proof or reason) rather than shift the burden to someone else who demands that you substantiate your own claim.

I hope you get my point!


Regarding your funny and laughable etymology of Ado Ekiti, I'm sorry to call you out that Ado Ekiti does not mean Edo children in Ekiti.Lol

"Ado" means "We settled" and "Ekiti" signify the "Hilly region".

And for your information, although the word "Edo" sounds like "Ado" they are completely and entirely different.

In fact, "Edo" is a relatively recent coinage in comparison to the more ancient Bini word from which it evolved viz. "Idu".

[bAnd also, Eweka never had any name as Ado. I challenge you to provide evidence for this as well.[/b]



In summary:

You made an initial claim, and when asked for evidence, all you did was the following:

(1) Shift the burden instead of face the burden.

(2) Repeat the claims

(3) And make more claims.


You simply couldn't didn't substantiate any of your claims. Isn't that interesting? Lol


I, however, volunteer to accept your shifted burden and school you and spoon feed you on all the claims you've made above, only on the condition that you acknowledge explicitly here that you've failed woefully so far to substantiate on of your many claims with evidence, proof or reason.

Cheers!
Which tribe are you from
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by jafol(m): 3:27pm On Jul 17, 2019
Atigba:
Will you shut up there, so you are even Awori and you dont know your history. You are a disgrace to your ancestors

What is yoruba, there nothing called yoruba I dont mean to use derogatory words. The word yoruba came into being around 200 years ago. It is a word the Fulanis used to refered to people living in Oyo empire.

The Aworis are IDU children who ran away from Igodomigodo many centuries ago.

Our children formed Etiosa local government in lagos state. Tell me the meaning of Etiosa in yoruba you kid
Atigba they swear for you? Na by force yorubas r not ur mates, stop living in past glories what has edo or Benin done for Nigeria today, absolutely zero. This is how karma works, you edo betrayed yorubas by selling slaves to white men. Then God use the same white men to destroy your evil kingdom and gave the slaves you forced out of their homes to white men your so called land and put them above you since then Benin n edo have been jealous and hateful just like the pigs on the east side. Funny enough when your enemies know you r above them, they look for fake histories to make themselves feel superior. YORUBAS CARRY GO JOR NOTHING DO YOU. ALL YOUR EXTERNAL ENEMIES SHALL DIE BY FIRE
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by Atigba: 3:27pm On Jul 17, 2019
jneutron4000:
hahaha ok, we have heard mouth pieces of Igodomigodo. Yoruba speak one language which is Yoruba, if I say ki ti gbe as an Awori man, an Ijebu man can reply ko gbe re wa fu mi. Also if a Yoruba man from any part of Nigeria travel to let say Togo, Benin republic even as far as Cuba or Brazil and say Eri wo, the reply will be the say as Ya or Aya gbo aya tò. Angelique kidjo songs wombo Lombo, Agolo etc is understood by Every Yoruba on Earth because WE ARE YORUBA. smiley
Lastly mrs Igodomigodo mouth piece, if Oduduwa republic eventually comes, I will personally write to the Oduduwa republic government to build a wall to show a physical border between Yoruba and Benin. I dont mind leaving that of Cotonue open grin grin
Your statement here shows your ignoranc, the Awori people have their language before they later started speaking yoruba. The same with other tribes you listed above
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by TAO11(f):
Atigba:
Will you shut up there, so you are even Awori and you dont know your history. You are a disgrace to your ancestors

What is yoruba, there nothing called yoruba I dont mean to use derogatory words. The word yoruba came into being around 200 years ago. It is a word the Fulanis used to refered to people living in Oyo empire.

The Aworis are IDU children who ran away from Igodomigodo many centuries ago.

Our children formed Etiosa local government in lagos state. Tell me the meaning of Etiosa in yoruba you kid
What is wrong with you with your obsession with everything you perceive as good about the Yorubas?

Awori is Edo?? grin grin grin grin grin grin

I haven't had such good laugh in a long time??

Please what is the etymology of the word "Awori" in your Edo language, since Aworis are now Binis?? grin grin grin

Please answer the Awori salutation below and tell me the meaning:

"Awori kitigbe?!" grin grin grin


In case you like to know, my paternal line is Awori.

Our ancestors settled in Ibeshe-Ikorodu (one of their many Awori smaller settlements) when the Aworis first arrived "Lagos" from Ife. They are the children of Olofin-Ogunfunminire.

My grandmother lives in Ibeshe till date.

Trying to claim Awori for your people is only to magnify and make public your inferiority and insecurity.

That's very very very very low of you.

I think you shouldn't be insulted actually, you should be pitied instead.

May God have mercy on you!
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by Atigba: 3:29pm On Jul 17, 2019
jafol:
Atigba they swear for you? Na by force yorubas r not ur mates, stop living in past glories what has edo or Benin done for Nigeria today, absolutely zero. This is how karma works, you edo betrayed yorubas by selling slaves to white men. Then God use the same white men to destroy your evil kingdom and gave the slaves you forced out of their homes to white men your so called land and put them above you since then Benin n edo have been jealous and hateful just like the pigs on the east side. Funny enough when your enemies know you r above them, they look for fake histories to make themselves feel superior. YORUBAS CARRY GO JOR NOTHING DO YOU. ALL YOUR EXTERNAL ENEMIES SHALL DIE BY FIRE
I can see where your anger is coming from, that we once sold you guys as slave. But forget the past, we are now in the future
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by Mraphel: 3:30pm On Jul 17, 2019
Viralmula:
Wait oo lemme drop this here before you run with your story , oromiyan link to Edo is that oduduwa his alleged father was a run away Benin prince who was later requested by Benin chiefs when his father ogiso owodo died, but oduduwa already an old man sent his youngest boy oromiyan to replace him , and the oromiyan barely spent a year or two in Edo before running away back to his ppl because of cultural shock , but he already fathered a child by an Edo nobles daughter so he was free to leave!! And mind you Benin empire existed for centurues before this oromiyan episode!!
How did you know oranmiyan spent just one or two years in Benin? We're u there?

Oduduwa was not the person that fathered ORANMIYAN but you people will just not hear word. ORANMIYAN was d great grand children of Oduduwa. He was d first to start d Benin empire. He named that town Ile ibinu which later know as Benin
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by Atigba: 3:31pm On Jul 17, 2019
TAO11:
What is wrong with you with your obsession with everything you perceive as good about the Yorubas?

Awori is Edo?? grin grin grin grin grin grin

I haven't had such good laugh in a long time??

Please what us the etymology of the word "Awori" in your Edo languave, since Aworis are now Binis?? grin grin grin

Please answer the Awori salutation below and tell me the meaning:

"Awori kitigbe?!" grin grin grin


In case you like to know, my paternal grandmother is Awori.

Her ancestors settled in Ibeshe, Ikorodu (one of the many Awori smaller settlements) when the Aworis first arrived "Lagos" ).

She lives in Ibeshe till date.

Trying to claim Awori is only to magnify and make public your inferiority and insecurity.
Where did Awori people migrated from?
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by MoneyMan5: 3:35pm On Jul 17, 2019
Atigba:
Will you shut up there, so you are even Awori and you dont know your history. You are a disgrace to your ancestors

What is yoruba, there nothing called yoruba I dont mean to use derogatory words. The word yoruba came into being around 200 years ago. It is a word the Fulanis used to refered to people living in Oyo empire.

The Aworis are IDU children who ran away from Igodomigodo many centuries ago.

Our children formed Etiosa local government in lagos state. Tell me the meaning of Etiosa in yoruba you kid
You are wrong

Where did the people living in Oyo originated from?

Yoruba is just a general name for every tribes that Originated from Ile ife in Osun State

And Eti Osa means River Bank in Yoruba

Yoruba also means Deceit in Hausa not Fulani

Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by Atigba: 3:38pm On Jul 17, 2019
MoneyMan5:
You are wrong

Where did the people living in Oyo originated from?

Yoruba is just a general name for every tribes that Originated from Ile ife in Osun State

And Eti Osa means River Bank in Yoruba

Yoruba also means Deceit in Hausa not Fulani
Stop spreading lies here, I could have type here how Yoruba came into being. The last time i tried it, I was banned by nairaland mod.

For Etiosa I won't comment because you are a bloody liar.
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by Atigba: 3:40pm On Jul 17, 2019
jafol:
You thought u sold us as slaves but ur kingdom was destroyed cos you evil bitches touched the Lords annoited. White men used you Benin n edo people n destroyed your Kingdom and stole your artifacts . I can see why you edo r jealous of Yorubas. In fact all slaves sold in the diaspora are crying against you people. You all will never know peace including the yeast animals that sold to slavery. Yorubas are not your mate
grin calm down

People living now weren't born then, I did not sell any slave
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by TAO11(f):
Atigba:
Where did Awori people migrated from?
The ancestors of my paternal grandmother (the Aworis) migrated from Ile-Ife.

They are the children of Olofin Ogunfunminire.


Although I should also have declined answering your question because you failed to answer any of my questions and challenges in my comment which you quoted.

But I obviously let that slide.
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by MoneyMan5: 3:42pm On Jul 17, 2019
Atigba:
Stop spreading lies here, I could have type here how Yoruba came into being. The last time i tried it, I was banned by nairaland mod.

For Etiosa I won't comment because you are a bloody liar.
You know nothing about Yoruba History

How could you know the History more than the people?

You know nothing about Yoruba but you actually think you know everything about Yoruba
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by TAO11(f):
Atigba:
Which tribe are you from
I am obviously Yoruba.

Why are you asking all these questions (which although I have been answering consistently) without you answering any of mine??

Are my questions too difficult??

undecided undecided
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by Atigba: 3:44pm On Jul 17, 2019
MoneyMan5:
You know nothing about Yoruba History

How could you know the History more than the people?

You know nothing about Yoruba but you actually think you know everything about Yoruba
I know Yoruba history more than you
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by isaacsegun(m): 3:49pm On Jul 17, 2019
Atigba:
Lastly, even the people you are falsely claiming in Togo, benin republic and Ghana majority of them are still from Igodomigodo.
I can now confirm you are sick.
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by Atigba: 3:51pm On Jul 17, 2019
TAO11:
The ancestors of my paternal grandmother (the Aworis) migrated from Ile-Ife.

The are the children of Olofin Ogunfunminire.


Although I should also have declined answering your question because you failed to answer any of my questions and challenges in my comment which you quoted.

But I obviously let that slide.
What am about to tell you now, go and confirm from the Oba of lagos palace.

Some of our Idu/benin children who left with Orominyan to Ife, overtime they were highly discriminated as am told went to Lagos from Ife. They are presently the Awori people
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by MoneyMan5: 3:51pm On Jul 17, 2019
Atigba:
I know Yoruba history more than you
You know nothing but you actually think you know everything

You sound stupid to many Yoruba that read your comments

For example you said Yoruba have different Languages but dump it for Oyo Language ( that's the stupidest statement I have ever read In a while)

Yoruba don't have different Languages but dialects

Since you claim you know more than the people, I will leave you to keep wallowing in your foolishness
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by Atigba: 3:52pm On Jul 17, 2019
TAO11:
I am obviously Yoruba.

Why are you asking all these questions (which although I have been answering consistently) without answering any of mine??

Are my questions too difficult??

undecided undecided
Which particular question did you ask let me attend to it
Re: The Significance Of Oranmiyan Staff And Ife Immovable Heritage Resource. by jafol(m): 3:53pm On Jul 17, 2019
Atigba:
grin calm down

People living now weren't born then, I did not sell any slave
Ode you r products of people living then hence ur hate
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