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Atigba:
Which particular question did you ask let me attend to it

So how did Yoruba came to being according to you? Omniknowest

Atigba:
Which particular question did you ask let me attend to it

C'mon!!!

Nairaland is still very active.

What about viewing your own quotes to see all I have written to you??

Please don't go lower than the point you're currently at.

Atigba:
Majority are not your children, I have interact with them personally especially the once in Togo. I can hear their language they can hear me too if I speak.
Even the Togo president visited Benin city many years ago.

You are a faker and a joker.

Now jog along

TAO11:
C'mon?

Naira land is still very active.

What about viewing your own quotes to see all I have written to you??

Please don't go lower than the point you're currently at.

Please point it out, am busy cooking

I answered one of your questions already

Atigba:
What am about to tell you now, go and confirm from the Oba of lagos palace.

Some of our Idu/benin children who left with Orominyan to Ife, overtime they were highly discriminated as am told went to Lagos from Ife. They are presently the Awori people

I have scolded you already on this kindergarten-ish method of not owning up and taking responsibility for your own claims.

You've made the claims. Fine, no big deal about making claims.

Where the big deal lies is the fact that when asked to substantiate your own claim, you should be man enough to be able to BRING FORWARD your evidence, proof, and reason.


Rather than shifting your own burden to the questioner and thus pretending that you have your answer very far away from you in Lagos palace. Lol!

Anyone could make any claim. I could for example claim that:

The former Oba of Benin (Omo N'Oba Erediawa) is actually a descendant of Joao Afonso d'Avieros -- the Portugese seafarer who visited Bini in the 15th century

If we go by your logic, I would say my evidence for this claim is a secret with Oba Ewuare II. Go to Benin palace and ask him.

Do you consider my account as true and fact going by your own logic??

Atigba:
Please point it out, am busy cooking

I answered one of your questions already

Well you didn't answer no question.

You simply made more claims without any evidence.

In fact, you shifted your burden of providing evidence to me the questioner.

How is that answering one of the questions??

[See my foregoing comment where I have also used your own kind of logic to "prove" how Omo N'Oba Erediauwa is not a rightful heir to the throne of Edo land just as some of his ancestors starting from Oba Esigie because they are all descendants of a Portugese man]

guy why?
why do u let everyone on nairaland know the extent of ur mental issues?

RockHard:
That staff looks like a long deek.

Atigba:
Your statement here shows your ignoranc, the Awori people have their language before they later started speaking yoruba. The same with other tribes you listed above

can you tell me the name of the language. Stop displaying ignorant online, go back to my post where I said the Yoruba is a nation with many tribes, each tribe has it distinct dialects but it all Yoruba. Am very sure if I ask you a simple question like how many Ethnic groups we have in Nigeria, you will fail woeful as you would not be able to differentiate between Tribes, Ethnicities and Nationalities. Let me sharpen the little or no knowledge you have about Yoruba language, we all consider the Ibadan (Oyo) Yoruba as the standard Yoruba language due to different reason such as population, Military power during the Oyo empire where they were forcing other Yoruba sisters to pay ishakole( tax), also it was the sons of Oduduwa that founded those place( Itedo). that given influence made their Yoruba way of dialects to spread. Ijebus have distinct dialects to Ijesha, likewise Ondo has distinct dialect to Aworis, Egba has distinct dialects to Akoko etc. But WE ARE ALL YORUBA AND WE SPEAK YORUBA LANGUAGE

jafol:
Ode you r products of people living then hence ur hate

I hate slavery, am not responsible for the actions of my ancestors.

[quote author=Atigba post=80361829][/quote]You are a faker and a joker, go and troll elsewhere.

Atigba:
Please point it out, am busy cooking

I answered one of your questions already

The questions for the 2nd time:

**Please what is the etymology of the word "Awori" in your Edo language, since Aworis are now Binis??


**Please answer the Awori salutation below and tell me the meaning:

"Awori kitigbe?!"


Modified:

Regarding your unsubstantiated claim that: the autochthonous people of Ekiti, Ondo and Lagos are Edos I asked:

**Where did you get all these falsehoods from?

In other words cite the accessible and verifiable authoritative historical source which serves as evidence and proof for your claim.

TAO11:
I have scolded you already on this kindergarten-ish method of not owning up and taking responsibility for your own claims.

You've made the claims. Fine, no big deal about making claims.

Where the big deal lies is the fact that when asked to substantiate your own claim, you should be man enough to be able to BRING FORWARD your evidence, proof, and reason.


Rather than shifting your own burden to the questioner and thus pretending that you have your answer very far away from you in Lagos palace. Lol!

Anyone could make any claim. I could for example claim that:

the former Oba of Benin (Omo N'Oba Erediawa) is actually a descendant Joao Afonso d'Avieros -- the Portugese seafarer who visited Bini in the 15th century

If we go by your logic, I would say my evidence for this claim is a secret with Oba Ewuare II. Go to Benin palace and ask him.

Do you consider my account as true and fact going by your own logic??

Read this interview from Oba of Lagos since you need prove or you go to his palace

https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/sunday-magazine/lagos-oba-traces-origin-to-benin/amp

TAO11:
The questions for the 2nd time:

**Please what is the etymology of the word "Awori" in your Edo language, since Aworis are now Binis??


**Please answer the Awori salutation below and tell me the meaning:

"Awori kitigbe?!"

I dont know the meaning, I have never assert I speak Awori

Our land Igodomigodo is made up of cluster clans, I dont want to mention some of the clans let me not draw some tribes attention here. I want to face yoruba squarely

Atigba:
I dont know the meaning, I have never assert I speak Awori

Our land Igodomigodo is made up of cluster clans, I dont want to mention some of the clans let me not draw some tribes attention here. I want to face yoruba squarely

Go and hide under a smalll anthill. There you will find what you seek.

MoneyMan5:
So how did Yoruba came to being according to you? Omniknowest

There is no tribe called yoruba historically, it is a post colonial word. As I assert before, I don't want to write any derogatory words about the yorubas as I was banned before.

The yorubas as you know now is a conglomeration of tribes, which ours is one of them. Ondo, Ekiti and Lagos to be precise.

The aboriginal king of the so called yoruba is the Oba of Ugbo kingdom, he is the one Oduduwa meant in Ife.

I am not saying yoruba people came from benin, no what am saying is some of our children are now in south west and you guys are referring to them as yorubas.

Viralmula:
Wait oo lemme drop this here before you run with your story , oromiyan link to Edo is that oduduwa his alleged father was a run away Benin prince who was later requested by Benin chiefs when his father ogiso owodo died, but oduduwa already an old man sent his youngest boy oromiyan to replace him , and the oromiyan barely spent a year or two in Edo before running away back to his ppl because of cultural shock , but he already fathered a child by an Edo nobles daughter so he was free to leave!! And mind you Benin empire existed for centurues before this oromiyan episode!!

The bolded is a bastardization of history. Go back home and ask questions from those who know the real history of Benin and Oyo.

jneutron4000:
can you tell me the name of the language. Stop displaying ignorant online, go back to my post where I said the Yoruba is a nation with many tribes, each tribe has it distinct dialects but it all Yoruba. Am very sure if I ask you a simple question like how many Ethnic groups we have in Nigeria, you will fail woeful as you would not be able to differentiate between Tribes, Ethnicities and Nationalities. Let me sharpen the little or no knowledge you have about Yoruba language, we all consider the Ibadan (Oyo) Yoruba as the standard Yoruba language due to different reason such as population, Military power during the Oyo empire where they were forcing other Yoruba sisters to pay ishakole( tax), also it was the sons of Oduduwa that founded those place( Itedo). that given influence made their Yoruba way of dialects to spread. Ijebus have distinct dialects to Ijesha, likewise Ondo has distinct dialect to Aworis, Egba has distinct dialects to Akoko etc. But WE ARE ALL YORUBA AND WE SPEAK YORUBA LANGUAGE

Will you shut up, I told you before the only people I can refer as yoruba are the oyo people because these as the people they were calling the name then by the Fulanis.

Again, many dialects you are referring as yoruba now are not your children. They migrated from our land

femixx:
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The bolded is a bastardization of history. Go back home and ask questions from those who know the real history of Benin and Oyo.

Orominyan started Benin kingdom

Before benin kingdom what we had was Igodomigodo empire.

For your information benin kingdom is part of Igodomigodo empire.

Atigba:
Will you shut up, I told you before the only people I can refer as yoruba are the oyo people because these as the people they were calling the name then by the Fulanis.

Again, many dialects you are referring as yoruba now are not your children. They migrated from our land

Your inability to understand shows you are a child and it is an insult to children because they learn and understand fast.you are not ready to learn. Now listen child, Oyo Yoruba is a dialect, Osun Yoruba is a dialect, Egba is a dialect, Aworis Yoruba is a dialect, Ijesha Yoruba is a dialect, Ibadan (ki ni sho) is a Yoruba dialect. Within Ogun state alone, there are more than 2 dialect of Yoruba language, idiot will you say they migrated from your land. Let me even ask you a question do you Edos have Alphabet?

TAO11:
The questions for the 2nd time:

**Please what is the etymology of the word "Awori" in your Edo language, since Aworis are now Binis??


**Please answer the Awori salutation below and tell me the meaning:

"Awori kitigbe?!"


Modified:

Osun states. The Aborigines living in Ekiti, Ondo and Lagos are Idu children. They are our children from the land of Igodomigodo.

Regarding your unsubstantiated claim that: the autochthonous people of Ekiti, Ondo and Lagos are from Edos I asked:

**Where did you get all these falsehoods from?

In other words cite the accessible and verifiable authoritative historical source as evidence and proof for your claim.

Dont forget the assignment I gave to you, it is better you know who you are now

Atigba:
Will you shut up, I told you before the only people I can refer as yoruba are the oyo people because these as the people they were calling the name then by the Fulanis.

Again, many dialects you are referring as yoruba now are not your children. They migrated from our land

I just pity the people that are dignifying you with response because I know you are been driven by inferiority complex. All your assertions are nothing but trash. I'm an okun person from kogi state and our dialect of Yoruba is close to that of ondo people, so is an insult for you to be claiming ondo and ekiti people are from Bini. For your information, did you even know that an average northerner refer to Edo people as Yoruba they hardly know the different between the two and you are here claiming rubbish.

jneutron4000:
Your inability to understand shows you are a child and it is an insult to children because they learn and understand fast.you are not ready to learn. Now listen child, Oyo Yoruba is a dialect, Osun Yoruba is a dialect, Egba is a dialect, Aworis Yoruba is a dialect, Ijesha Yoruba is a dialect, Ibadan (ki ni sho) is a Yoruba dialect. Within Ogun state alone, there are more than 2 dialect of Yoruba language, idiot will you say they migrated from your land. Let me even ask you a question do you Edos have Alphabet?

What is wrong with you, there is nothing like Osun yoruba dialect etc. Osun is a diety, orishe. How is it a dialect yoruba.

Is like saying Ogun yoruba dialect, Ogun is the third Oni of Ife a descendant of oduduwa. Same with shango the third Alaafi of Oyo a direct descendant of Orominyan.

Like I said before, we have alot of our children living in yoruba land most of them dont even know who they are. You guys are claiming them to be yoruba and I dont blame you.

When a goat stays outdoor for a very long time and the owner never come to look for it, people who are not the owner will start claiming it. This is exactly what is going on, the time has come for us to take our own.

Atigba:
There is no tribe called yoruba historically, it is a post colonial word. As I assert before, I don't want to write any derogatory words about the yorubas as I was banned before.

The yorubas as you know now is a conglomeration of tribes, which ours is one of them. Ondo, Ekiti and Lagos to be precise.

The aboriginal king of the so called yoruba is the Oba of Ugbo kingdom, he is the one Oduduwa meant in Ife.

I am not saying yoruba people came from benin, no what am saying is some of our children are now in south west and you guys are referring to them as yorubas.

Olugbo of Ugbo was not the aboriginal king of Yoruba

His forefathers lost the throne to Oduduwa and Oduduwa was the first to rule over unified 13 communities in Ile ife

isaacsegun:
I just pity the people that are dignifying you with response because I know you are been driven by inferiority complex. All your assertions are nothing but trash. I'm an okun person from kogi state and our dialect of Yoruba is close to that of ondo people, so is an insult for you to be claiming ondo and ekiti people are from Bini. For your information, did you even know that an average northerner refer to Edo people as Yoruba they hardly know the different between the two and you are here claiming rubbish.

Which particular dialect in Ondo?

The Edo people are not yoruba, but the Oba of benin is a yoruba citizen

Atigba:
Read this interview from Oba of Lagos since you need prove or you go to his palace

https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/sunday-magazine/lagos-oba-traces-origin-to-benin/amp

The above link with which you seek to forcefully and ignobly claim Awori heritage for the Edos also doesn't help you because of the very apparent loopholes and flaws in the write-up. Lol

First, the article claims that it was a report of an interview with Oba Akiolu.

Second, the report clearly made no attempt to distinguish between where the response from Oba Akiolu ends and where the analysis and account of the writer begins.

Third, it became obvious that the reason why the author blurred the delineation of Oba Akiolu's words and the author's own account and analysis was deliberate and strategic.


Fourth, a closer and careful consideration of the write-up shows clearly that Oba Akiolu's statement in the write-up starts and ends where he is noted to have said:


"I was told by my late paternal grandmother, who was a descendant of Oba Ovonranwen Nogbaisi, and with facts from historical books, let me share this knowledge with you all on Eko or Lagos, as it is popularly called."


The nature and style of the continuing narrative that followed the foregoing is clearly and obviously one of a carefully thought-out structured writing, as opposed to being an oral spontaneous interview response coming from an "intellectual" (almost "academic" ) as Oba Akiolu.


Fifth, the question of why the author deliberately and strategically blurred up the delineation of the "Oba's responses" and his own analysis and account, without a clear and sharp distinction is found in the fact that:


The author is himself an Edo person viz. "Gabriel OMOHINMIN"


The reason for the antics thus becomes clear!


Having exposed the account as yet another Bini fabrication, it is important that I draw your attention to the following:


** Oba Akiolu is not an authoritative reference/expert on Yoruba/Aworis history or even Bini history. And he never claimed to be one.


**Oba Akiolu is not an Awori and he never claimed to be one.

His paternal ancestry goes back to the fifth king of Lagos (Ologun Kutere), and then back to Ijesha-Yoruba through Ologun Kutere's father (Alaagba), and also to Benin through Ologun Kutere's mother (Erelu Kuti).


Why should you even in the first place make an attempt to take Oba Akiolu as your authority on Awori when he is not even an Awori (from his biography), and he never claimed at anytime and anywhere that he is an Awori??

Apart from the undoubted historical significance of Oranmiyan's Obelix, aswell acts as a motivation.

Wish to have experienced excursions that includes places of these type of great relevance, my excursions mostly had me visiting museums, botanical and zoological gardens, anyone may become motivated to finding new ways to make the world a better place.

The urge to emulate their success and their finely honed performances in an attempt to replicate the simplicity of their everyday life.

Atigba:
Dont forget the assignment I gave to you, it is better you know who you are now

What assignment bro??

Atigba:
I dont know the meaning, I have never assert I speak Awori

Our land Igodomigodo is made up of cluster clans, I dont want to mention some of the clans let me not draw some tribes attention here. I want to face yoruba squarely

You personally don't have to be a speaker.

My point is simple.

If Aworis are one of Edo clans as you claimed (contrary to all facts and common sense); then the etymology of the word itself (i.e. "Awori" ) should be from Edo language.

And if you can't reply the Awori greeting, you should at least be able to find a Bini source which does or at least one person from your enclave of Bini propagandist who can help you out.

MoneyMan5:
Olugbo of Ugbo was not the aboriginal king of Yoruba

His forefathers lost the throne to Oduduwa and Oduduwa was the first to rule over unified 13 communities in Ile ife

You just confuse yourself and type rubbish. You claimed Olugbo of Ugbo is not aboriginal king in yoruba and went further to assert he lost his throne to oduduwa.

How can he lost his throne if oduduwa did not meant him in Ife.

For your information the Olugbo of Ugbo palace is in existence till date. He is the Aborigines king in yoruba land. Oduduwa descendants are foreigners in your land

TAO11:
You personally don't have to be a speaker.

My point is simple.

If Aworis are one of Edo clans as you claimed (contrary to all facts and common sense); then the etymology of the word itself (i.e. "Awori" ) should be from Edo language.

And if you can't reply the Awori greeting, you should at least be able to find a Bini source which does or at least one person from your enclave of Bini propagandist who can help you out.

don't mind that dude, he's not even Benin.

Atigba:
There is no tribe called yoruba historically, it is a post colonial word. As I assert before, I don't want to write any derogatory words about the yorubas as I was banned before.

The yorubas as you know now is a conglomeration of tribes, which ours is one of them. Ondo, Ekiti and Lagos to be precise.

The aboriginal king of the so called yoruba is the Oba of Ugbo kingdom, he is the one Oduduwa meant in Ife.

I am not saying yoruba people came from benin, no what am saying is some of our children are now in south west and you guys are referring to them as yorubas.

The Yoruba is a General Name for any tribe that traces their origin to Oduduwa and Obatala in Ile ife


Yoruba are descendants of Oduduwa and Obatala in Ile ife

In Yoruba we have both Obatala and Oduduwa descendants however if any tribe do not fit this narrative then it means they are not Yoruba

Atigba:
What is wrong with you, there is nothing like Osun yoruba dialect etc. Osun is a diety, orishe. How is it a dialect yoruba.

Is like saying Ogun yoruba dialect, Ogun is the third Oni of Ife a descendant of oduduwa. Same with shango the third Alaafi of Oyo a direct descendant of Orominyan.

Like I said before, we have alot of our children living in yoruba land most of them dont even know who they are. You guys are claiming them to be yoruba and I dont blame you.

When a goat stays outdoor for a very long time and the owner never come to look for it, people who are not the owner will start claiming it. This is exactly what is going on, the time has come for us to take our own.

before I finally up on your stupidity, I gave you an explanation and your stupidity and foolishness turned it into something else, who made mention of Osun segese the godness now Your final lesson, now let go to the basic, what is a dialect? A dialect is : a regional variety of language distinguished by features of vocabulary, grammar, and pronunciation from other regional varieties and constituting together with them a single language. When I said Osun Yoruba, I mean the way people in Osun speak in terms of their intonation like Ekiti way of speaking Yoruba. This is a normal phenomenon across the world, the way New Yorkers used their English might sound a little bit different from that of a man from Mississippi, even within Nigeria The Igbo for example, Imo Igbo might sound a bit different from let say Ebonyi but that doesn't mean it's not igbo. I get your useless point as you want to claim that Yorubas from Other place are not Yoruba but Edos but you failed woefully. So Bleep off my mention you retard