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Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by Martinez39(m): 10:58am On Jul 24, 2019

I know this will never make front page because Seun and his gang, for business reasons, limit the reach of certain ideas on nairaland — some ideas are more worthy of being noticed than others.

If I ask adherents of the three main abrahamic religions(Christianity, Islam and Judaism) why they keep to their faith and why they think their beliefs are valid, all sorts of reasons, however unreasonable, would surface. For the true believers, who in all sincerity, embraced and labour for their belief, I would like to ask, why bother? Would you not consider leaving the shackles of your faith? Have you really questioned your beliefs? Here are the reasons why you should consider leaving :

1) YOUR GOD'S EXISTENCE ACTUALLY HAS NO BASIS IN REALITY : This is the plain truth. If you think otherwise, why don't you refute my claim with sound evidence for your god's existence? Nothing in this universe be it the sun, moon, life forms, plants, landscapes etc. indicates, in any way, that your god exists. There is no way you can infer, by any means, from the physical world that your god exists. There is simply no sound logical pathway that leads from the observation of our physical world to the conclusion that your god exists. The same applies to the claims of a spiritual world and spiritual entities. Heaven, hell, angels, demons, spirits, purgatory, paradise etc. have no basis in reality. What evidence do you have to assert that these things are real? Why fight for a heaven or paradise you haven't seen and can't prove exists? How about angels and jinns? Have you seen these for yourself to believe that they exist, or do you believe because someone told you they existed?

Do you believe in god because you have sound evidence for yourself, or because someone else told you god exists? Do you have evidence that god exists? Take your time and ask yourself these questions and please, try to answer them. How about you sit down and think about the bases and evidences for your god? If possible get a pen or pencil and write down why you believe in your god and the evidences you have for his existence. Found out for yourself and don't depend on "trusted sources" eg. Your pastor, parents, trusted fellowship leaders etc. Search for yourself.

I challenge you to promise yourself the following while doing your research, "I will be honest with myself and be neutral. My belief in my god must be based on a reasonable basis. If there are evidences for my god's existence then I shall accept them. If my god really wants me to believe his existence then he will show himself to me, for asking for evidence is not a sin and it's not so much to ask from an omnipotent god who wants your soul to be saved. If there are no evidences, I shall remain inconclusive and if I notice logical flaws, contradictions and falsehood, I will have the humility and honesty to point it out.

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2) YOUR GOD IS THE STUFF OF SCAM :
*) Imagine if I wanted to invent an almighty god and convince people of his existence. Unavoidably and naturally, my god would have many characteristics of your god. Naturally, if I told people about my all powerful god they would ask for proof and demonstration of his power. What better to avoid this than "thou shall not test the Lord thy God"?

*) Since I have no evidence for my god and other related claims, how else can people accept such god's existence and attributes if not by faith? How else can I make it more binding to them if I don't promote faith as a virtue? Faith is believing without evidence, and those who believe without evidence are not virtuous but stupid. If faith is a good basis to assert a claim, then I can assert that unicorns exist somewhere on Neptune by faith? Anything that can be asserted by faith, even the existence of werewolves and comic superheroes. Anything that can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

*) Also notice that in order for my god not to be seen as someone who is unreliable and a failure in the time of need and keeping his promises, it is natural that I make him unaccountable. If your prayer gets "answered", he should be given all the credit. If your prayers go unanswered, then either it is not his will or your are at fault for doubting. Think about this carefully. Also since he cannot do anything, given his non-existence, I would elevate greatly every natural marvel such as child birth, a good economy, employment, success in life and academics, surviving an accident etc. as my god's achievement even though they are things that are natural and could and do happen without.

Think about how you foolishly give credit to god despite working hard to pass an exam. Don't atheist read and pass too? Who are they to thank? How to realise prayer doesn't work is to pray for something out of the ordinary and observe that it can never happen? All notice that prayer without work always fail, work without prayer works and work with prayer works. So what's the use of prayer?

*) Given that I purport my god to be all knowing, curious minds would want god to reveal mysteries of the universe for our betterment and understanding. Mysteries such as the natural cure for HIV, scientific mysteries, etc. what better way to avoid this test than to say it "it is the glory of my god to conceal a matter and it is the glory of kings(or men) to search it out" ?

*) Given that my god can't be reasonably reconciled with reality, it would be natural, and in my best interest, to insist that his plans and ways are just even though humans can't comprehend it, and his ways are mysterious. Isn't unnecessary mystery the bed rock of bull crap? Wouldn't it also be in my best interest to insinuate that logical thinking and human reasoning(the most effective tools against my bullcrap) are canal and enmity towards my god and my god cannot and shouldn't be questioned?

*) To further promote my bullshit, I would insist that "... without faith, it is impossible to please god AND THOSE THAT COME TO HIM MUST BELIEVE THAT HE IS... How about "happy are those who haven't seen but yet believe"? Be sincere with yourself, does that make sense? Is it wise to believe without seeing? Why would that be a virtue if not to bind you, without your resistance, to my bullcrap? Can you practice this in real life when doing business? Can you pay for a car you haven't seen?

Please tell me, if you don't reason, ask questions and seek evidence, how would you know the truth? How can you be sure that something such as god's plan/will, though unreasonable, makes sense in a way that you can not realise? What if I told you that the ways and looting of our Nigerian politicians are just and for the best in a way you cannot understand, would you agree?

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3) ALL ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS ARE BASED ON FAITH : Christianity, Islam and Judaism are based on faith not reasoning, logic or evidence. Why then are you giving your all for things that have no evidence? There are two problems with faith:
1) Having faith in something doesn't make it true (or mean that it will come to pass).
2) A person could have faith in almost anything however unreasonable and ludicrous.

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Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by Martinez39(m): 11:00am On Jul 24, 2019

I would continue later.

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Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by Martinez39(m): 12:16pm On Jul 24, 2019

4) NO SIGN OF DIVINE OR SUPERNATURAL INTERVENTION, AND NATURE ALWAYS TAKES IT'S CAUSE : now, do yourself the honour of HONESTLY AND SINCERELY observing human life closely and you will discover that there are no tangible and irrefutable signs of the supernatural and it's influence. There are no signs of divine or supernatural intervention. Mankind is on it's own and left to fend for itself. There is no help from anywhere.

Also observe that despite the some much noise about the existence of your god and the greatness of his power, nature and events(regardless of your religious stance and amount of prayer) always proceed naturally as you would expect if there were no god and the physical world and human efforts were all we had. Nature and events would always take their natural course as you expect if there were no god(s) and atheism was the accurate position all along. There is no suspension of the natural laws by your god or any god to help you or your brethren. If a christian or muslim has stomach cancer, nature would take it's course and the believer would end up dead shortly no matter the prayer rendered to god. The same applies to the irreligious.

Cancer remission happens to both the religious and irreligious. Great statistical improbability for the remission of most cancers, are not impossibilities. If having a remission of your cancer that had a very rare chance of remission is a miracle, then winning a mega lottery is a miracle as well.

For the miracles you've heard and seen, how do you know these miracles are legitimate? Are there really no chances that they were made up and exaggerated? Think deeply about it. Why is it that the so called miracles that happen, for which christians give testimonies, are either natural things that could have happened anyway(eg. giving birth after many years of marriage, gaining admission into the university, securing a job, etc.) or things that can be faked. It's easy to fake the healing of cancers, multiple sclerosis, inability to walk, blindness, ALS etc. but you can't fake the healing and restoration of an amputated leg or decapitated head. Any surprises why we don't see amputees being restored? Start asking the right questions.

The things you see as miracles or have considered miracles, are they really divine doings or just natural happenings? Think!

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5) NO TANGIBLE DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF THE RELIGIOUS AND IRRELIGIOUS : untimely death, cancers and other health challenges, poverty, sudden financial crisis, academic failure, mental illnesses, marital failure, injustice, bereavement, accidents, kidnap, rape etc. happen to both the religious and irreligious, and these mishaps happen to both sides at almost the same frequency regardless of race, age, moral uprightness and background. Try thinking about this.

If indeed your god were benevolent, all powerful and really loves his people, why doesn't he make a difference in their lives? Why doesn't he ensure that his followers stand out in life? What exactly are the impacts of your god in people's lives? People praise god, give their hard earned money as tithes and provisions to move the church forward yet what tangible impact does god have in the lives of his children? Why do the things I listed keep happening to both sides in the manner I described?

Why really bother? Think.

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Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by LordReed(m): 1:09pm On Jul 24, 2019

Bookmarked for future reference.

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by Martinez39(m): 3:36pm On Jul 24, 2019

6) YOUR RELIGION ISN'T NEEDED TO MAKE YOU MORAL AND HOLY BOOKS ARE NOT GREAT SOURCE OF MORALITY : people in opposition to atheism usually ask "how can people be moral without god and religion?" and to this I reply "how come many atheists are moral without god and many believers are immoral with god?" You can be morally upright without your god and holy book. Human morality and decency precedes religion and religion has no right to monopolise morality. Can you name one act of kindness that you cannot achieve if you don't believe in your god? Your morality is inborn and you need no holy book or god to tell you right from wrong.

In fact, chances are that you are better, much better, than many of your fellow believers. The most hardened crooks, thieves, condescending, hypocritical, petty, mean, heartless, greedy, proud and cruel individuals are religious folks. Many claim they are religious and serve god faithfully yet they don't treat their fellow human beings right, especially those they consider beneath them. They treat those they consider inferior like trash. They are even snobbish. Don't forget the homophobia that has riddled most part of the religious community. There are people who are atheist and don't behave like that, how do they do it? You can treat others right and know right from wrong without the help of a god or holy book. Even the moral compass of the abrahamic holy books are faulty and you can do better on your own. So why bother?

Even the religious cannot keep their own laws. They harbor hatred, jealousy and wicked intentions, they fornicate, get drunk, watch porn, commit adultery, don't help the needy — they very things which their religion, which they claim to follow, commands them not to do. So why bother when you can do better on your own and be free?

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7) RELIGION IS FOR THE POOR AND GULLIBLE BUT NOT FOR THE RICH : the poor and gullible burden themselves with religion and vigorously embrace it. They also have it seriously and heavily implemented on them by their clergies. Now, if a rich muslim billionaire wants to wed his muslim daughter to a christian guy, he will be given a free pass and even receive the blessings of the imam but had it being a poor muslim who want to wed his broke daughter to a broke christian guy, all hell would be let loose at how the sacred precepts of the quran are being violated.

A famous and rich homosexual can be accepted by top churches as a member but in poorer and local churches it cannot happen. It's even worse if the homosexual is unknown and broke for they may lynch and disgrace him or her publicly. Most rich religious people and their children don't even take these religious stuff seriously. The politicians among them use it as useful tool. Clergies enable these people and twist the rules for them. Even your clergy whom you think is fire brand and faithful will compromise when the rich move their "paper weights" around. It is only the poor and gullible that take religion too seriously and become useful idiots for the clergies and elites at the top.

What applies to the rich doesn’t apply to the poor. To show that religion is just a tool in the hands of the clergy and elites, why is it that a corrupt, looting, womanising and wicked politician will come to church when election is around the corner, and the top GO will lay his hands on him in front of his massive congregation? The politician is simply looking for votes and has teamed up with daddy GO. If he can't appeal to the congregation directly, he will indirectly do so through the GO because people trust, believe and rever their GO and would vote for the politicians endorsed by him. If the GO says "this politician has been chosen by god to lead the nation..." majority would vote because they god has pointed out the right and best candidate through daddy GO.

It should be noted that I am not trying to generalise, but I am referring to majority of cases. I am not against rich people, neither do I regard with condescension poor and uneducated people. The abrahamic religions may condemn homosexuality but top religious institutions will twist their scriptures and condone and conduct gay marriages. I am not against gay marriage but people should know where they stand and stop fostering homophobic doctrines and religious beliefs that a lot of people take seriously even though these top religious institutions and elites don't take them seriously.

Why bother?

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Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by CAPSLOCKED: 8:35pm On Jul 24, 2019

THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN SAY HERE THAT WILL CHANGE A SHEEP'S MIND.

THEY "KNOW" GOD EXISTS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THEY "FEEL" HIM "IN THEIR HEARTS".

IN THEIR HEARTS!!!

TO THESE FOLKS, THE NONSENSE THEY CARRY IN THEIR HEARTS AND BRAINS, AS INSTALLED BY THEIR PARENTS AND THE BRAINWASHERS THAT RAISED THEM.... IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVERY LOGIC, EVERY EVIDENCE AND SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY AND DATA IN THE WORLD.

DON'T ASK BELIEVERS WHY THEY BOTHER BEING CLOWNS. ASK YOURSELF WHY YOU BOTHER WITH THE BIGGEST IDĮOTS, WHO CAN SEE "A", BUT CHOOSE TO CALL IT "B" BECAUSE THEY FEEL TRASH IN THEIR DUMB HEARTS.
I'M DONE WITH THOSE FOLKS.

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Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by DrBrainstorm(m): 6:02pm On Aug 22, 2019

Great piece

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Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by omoowhe: 11:14pm On Aug 22, 2019

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by sonmvayina(m): 11:59pm On Aug 22, 2019

The only Abrahamic religion is Judaism... The rest are paganism..

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by Martinez39s(m): 9:44am On Jun 28, 2020

Rozz, what do you think of the op?

By the way, where is the link to the thread that contains your proof of god?

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by Vic2Ree(m): 10:35pm On Jul 01, 2020

Bump

Why are Christians avoiding this fine thread?
Sigh

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by Kobojunkie: 10:39pm On Jul 01, 2020

Vic2Ree:
Bump
Why are Christians avoiding this fine thread?
Sigh

Because it is an opinion piece, and everyone has 'em, opinions, that is? undecided

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by jamesid29(m): 12:59am On Jul 02, 2020

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by Vic2Ree(m): 7:18am On Jul 02, 2020

Kobojunkie:
Because it is an opinion piece, and everyone has 'em, opinions, that is?

I'm just used to Christians coming to bash threads about them.
Huh. Maybe this is an improvement?

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by heartbraker(m): 1:26pm On Apr 24, 2021

Martinez39:
I would continue later.

U too much ma guy..

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by Dtruthspeaker: 1:53pm On Apr 24, 2021

Martinez39:

If I ask adherents of the three main abrahamic religions(Christianity, Islam and Judaism) why they keep to their faith and why they think their beliefs are valid, all sorts of reasons, however unreasonable, would surface. For the true believers, who in all sincerity, embraced and labour for their belief, I would like to ask, why bother? Would you not consider leaving the shackles of your faith

Oh, Truly God is Mighty and the Creator of All!

"The Shackles of our Faith!", Did you see that confession of Truth?

Is it possible for the memory card of your phone to escape the shackles of the phone? grin

Like your memory card, you are already in the Shackles of this world! grin

Like your memory card if you escape the shackles of the phone (earth) you land in the shackles of the table (What we call space) grin

So as creations like your memory card we know it is wise to befriend our Creator, so that He Does not get Angry with us and hotly painfully deal with us instead of pleasurably dealing with us as He made us!

I prefer pleasure and Life Everlasting than Everlasting living of Extreme Pain and Suffering and Anguish!

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by truespeak: 2:32pm On Apr 24, 2021

As we answered you before, you are a creation and a puny and Limited one for that matter!

Being a creation you live in a carton called the World, you cannot know anything beyond the carton in which you live, how then can you know your Creator or His Capabilities which of course is outside the carton like you are to your creations!

Thus being a puny limited creation, you must limit everything including your Creator to your puny limited view of yourself and your carton which of course is where you must speak from!

Thus your presentation which comes from inside the carton Cannot be Taken as True for you Cannot give Evidence of Things outside the carton whilst you remain in the carton.

Therefore your presentation is Untrue and We thus Discard it!

On Why Do We Adhere to Our Creator!

Many Many Sweet and Beautiful Reasons but the Highest is that Every creation was created for a Purpose and What is that Purpose? To Do the Will of your Creator!

Thus if a creation does the will of His Creator it continues in Wellness and Life exactly as my car continues to dwell with me if it serves and does my will but to Challenge and Go Against me, grin

of course, it seeks its destruction and Shall get it at my Time and Choosing!

We Love Life and Living and Wellness and Hate Death and Destruction! grin

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Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:33pm On Apr 24, 2021

Martinez39:

1) YOUR GOD'S EXISTENCE ACTUALLY HAS NO BASIS IN REALITY :

2) YOUR GOD IS THE STUFF OF SCAM :

Reality Already Proves that A creation does not and cannot appraise its Creator Nor Validates Him!

It is Never Done! Eg your phone can not validate or appraise you

It is the Creator who validates and appraises His toys.

But only a fool thinks it valid!

Martinez39:

3) ALL ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS ARE BASED ON FAITH

Faith means Sound knowledge and Solid Information not mere hopes and dreams!

Martinez39:

4) NO SIGN OF DIVINE OR SUPERNATURAL INTERVENTION, AND NATURE ALWAYS TAKES IT'S CAUSE

The Witnesses in Crime Section, Politics Section, Family Section etc have already confessed the Truth of the Prophecy and Curse of God, for lo, the whole earth is filled with Troubles like never before!

Martinez39:

5) NO TANGIBLE DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF THE RELIGIOUS AND IRRELIGIOUS

Very few are Truly Followers of Christ and the difference is very very notably great!

Martinez39:

6) YOUR RELIGION ISN'T NEEDED TO MAKE YOU MORAL AND HOLY BOOKS ARE NOT GREAT SOURCE OF MORALITY

The Owner of A House Dictates that which is Right for it is He who shall punish Wrong Doers!

Since No man created and owns this House called world, we must look for Laws/Rules laid down by the owner of this House, so that we do not get into trouble with him!

Martinez39:

7) RELIGION IS FOR THE POOR AND GULLIBLE BUT NOT FOR THE RICH :

Every servant who does not stay in his place as a servant, shall surely be in trouble when the Master Catcheth him or he is reported to His Master!

Everyone who causeth the poor to be poor, is damned Already.

And Any who is poor but does not know his God Given Gifts (Rights) loveth poverty.

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:37pm On Apr 24, 2021

Do you see how Satan's sons are crying out that you should not leave them alone to die?

They call on you to join them to die!

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:38pm On Apr 24, 2021

Vic2Ree:
Bump

Why are Christians avoiding this fine thread?
Sigh

I am here and they have all run away!

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by oaroloye(m): 12:22am On Jul 05, 2021

MISHIGAS!

Martinez39:

I know this will never make front page because Seun and his gang, for business reasons, limit the reach of certain ideas on nairaland — some ideas are more worthy of being noticed than others.

IN MY OPINION, NAIRALAND IS OWNED AND RUN BY ATHEISTS LIKE YOURSELF.

I base this assessment on how I have been treated, for merely telling inconvenient Truths.

(1) THERE IS NO COMMANDMENT OF GOD FORBIDDING RAPE.

(2) NO ONE SHOULD BE JUDGED GUILTY OF A CRIME, BASED ON THE TESTIMONY OF ONE WITNESS ALONE.

(3) THE TRUE HEBREW PEOPLE AND LORD YESHUA ARE BLACK, AND THE OYINBOS CLAIMING YO BE JEWS ARE IMPOSTORS.

(4) TEMITOPE BALOGUN JOSHUA WAS A FALSE PROPHET AND FALSE CHRISTIAN.

For this true testimony my account has been muted.

A Christian Owner would not employ Moderators who judge Christians unjustly.

Martinez39:

If I ask adherents of the three main abrahamic religions(Christianity, Islam and Judaism) why they keep to their faith and why they think their beliefs are valid, all sorts of reasons, however unreasonable, would surface. For the true believers, who in all sincerity, embraced and labour for their belief, I would like to ask, why bother? Would you not consider leaving the shackles of your faith? Have you really questioned your beliefs? Here are the reasons why you should consider leaving :

ARROGANT FOOLS SUCH AS YOURSELF, IMAGINE THEORIES ABOUT WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS, AND THEN UTTER RUDE ACCUSATIONS AS IF YOUR IMAGINATIONS WERE REALITY.

Why not do groundwork, and investigate what Christianity actually is, before Blaspheming?

Why do you not care that your Soul can be lost for Eternity, because of one simple utterance?

Martinez39:

1) YOUR GOD'S EXISTENCE ACTUALLY HAS NO BASIS IN REALITY : This is the plain truth. If you think otherwise, why don't you refute my claim with sound evidence for your god's existence? Nothing in this universe be it the sun, moon, life forms, plants, landscapes etc. indicates, in any way, that your god exists. There is no way you can infer, by any means, from the physical world that your god exists. There is simply no sound logical pathway that leads from the observation of our physical world to the conclusion that your god exists. The same applies to the claims of a spiritual world and spiritual entities. Heaven, hell, angels, demons, spirits, purgatory, paradise etc. have no basis in reality. What evidence do you have to assert that these things are real?

THE BIBLE TEACHES THAT EXISTENCE CONSISTS OF MULTIPLE LEVELS OF REALITY: THE EARTH UNIVERSE IS A REALITY- THE SEVEN HEAVENS ARE SEVEN STACKED REALITIES, SENIOR TO THIS EARTH UNIVERSE.

Each of these eight Realities operates on different levels of Spiritual Energy.

You need more LIFE FORCE to exist and operate in First Heaven, than you do on Earth. You need more Spiritual Energy to operate in Second Heaven than in First Heaven... and so on, until the Seventh Heaven, that requires the greatest Spiritual Energy of all to Exist and Operate in.

OF COURSE GOD "DOES NOT EXIST," AND "IS NOT REAL" IN THIS UNIVERSE- HE COMES FROM A HIGHER PLANE OF EXISTENCE.

Why should He be "REAL" on THIS Level of Existence?

[See: THE EAGLE'S GIFT, by Carlos Castaneda (1981).
THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985).]

Martinez39:

Why fight for a heaven or paradise you haven't seen and can't prove exists? How about angels and jinns? Have you seen these for yourself to believe that they exist, or do you believe because someone told you they existed?

. THE SIX LEVELS OF EXISTENCE.

(1) BELIEFS; (2) THOUGHTS; (3) WORDS; (4) PHYSICAL ACTIONS; (5) POSTULATES; (6) TOTAL UNDERSTANDING.

[See: THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THOUGHT, by L. Ron Hubbard (1956).]

It takes Spiritual Energy to perceive the objects and entities that have higher Spiritual Energy than Mortal Creatures- if they do not want to be perceived by them.

Such creatures do even walk the streets with us, disguised as Human Beings, whereas they are not.

[See: A SEPARATE REALITY: Further Conversations with Don Juan, by Carlos Castaneda (1971).]

Just because you have never perceived a thing, that does not mean that it doesn't exist.

Martinez39:

Do you believe in god because you have sound evidence for yourself, or because someone else told you god exists? Do you have evidence that god exists? Take your time and ask yourself these questions and please, try to answer them. How about you sit down and think about the bases and evidences for your god? If possible get a pen or pencil and write down why you believe in your god and the evidences you have for his existence. Found out for yourself and don't depend on "trusted sources" eg. Your pastor, parents, trusted fellowship leaders etc. Search for yourself.

I challenge you to promise yourself the following while doing your research,

"I will be honest with myself and be neutral. My belief in my god must be based on a reasonable basis. If there are evidences for my god's existence then I shall accept them. If my god really wants me to believe his existence then he will show himself to me, for asking for evidence is not a sin and it's not so much to ask from an omnipotent god who wants your soul to be saved. If there are no evidences, I shall remain inconclusive and if I notice logical flaws, contradictions and falsehood, I will have the humility and honesty to point it out.

I BELIEVED IN THE EXISTENCE OF GOD: THE CREATOR, BECAUSE I WAS TOLD THAT HE MADE EVERYTHING- I WAS NEVER TOLD HOW TO VERIFY HIS EXISTENCE.

However, when I applied THE GOSPEL OF LORD YESHUA, His Existence was proven to me.

GOD HAS NEVER CLAIMED TO BE OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, OMNIPRESENT, NOR OMNIBENEVOLENT- THE FAITH OF ATHEISTS IS IN BELIEVING THAT HE HAS DONE SO- WITHOUT VIEWING ANY PROOF THAT HE MADE SUCH A CLAIM.

The first four chapters of the first Book of The Bible categorically rule out such claims for God.

Those are not His Powers- nor has He ever pretended them to be.

Martinez39:

2) YOUR GOD IS THE STUFF OF SCAM :
*) Imagine if I wanted to invent an almighty god and convince people of his existence. Unavoidably and naturally, my god would have many characteristics of your god. Naturally, if I told people about my all powerful god they would ask for proof and demonstration of his power. What better to avoid this than "thou shall not test the Lord thy God"?

*) Since I have no evidence for my god and other related claims, how else can people accept such god's existence and attributes if not by faith? How else can I make it more binding to them if I don't promote faith as a virtue? Faith is believing without evidence, and those who believe without evidence are not virtuous but stupid. If faith is a good basis to assert a claim, then I can assert that unicorns exist somewhere on Neptune by faith? Anything that can be asserted by faith, even the existence of werewolves and comic superheroes. Anything that can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

*) Also notice that in order for my god not to be seen as someone who is unreliable and a failure in the time of need and keeping his promises, it is natural that I make him unaccountable. If your prayer gets "answered", he should be given all the credit. If your prayers go unanswered, then either it is not his will or your are at fault for doubting. Think about this carefully. Also since he cannot do anything, given his non-existence, I would elevate greatly every natural marvel such as child birth, a good economy, employment, success in life and academics, surviving an accident etc. as my god's achievement even though they are things that are natural and could and do happen without.

Think about how you foolishly give credit to god despite working hard to pass an exam. Don't atheist read and pass too? Who are they to thank? How to realise prayer doesn't work is to pray for something out of the ordinary and observe that it can never happen? All notice that prayer without work always fail, work without prayer works and work with prayer works. So what's the use of prayer?

OUR RELIGION IS BASED ON BELIEF IN ALLEGED FACTS AS TRUE- THIS IS CALLED "FAITH."

This "FAITH" is the highest Power in this Universe.

The Man of Faith proceeds, trusting that GOD will fulfill whatever He Promised in His Word.

THERE IS NO PROVISION FOR CALLING ON GOD, JUST TO PROVE THAT HE IS PRESENT.

The only way for God not to be with us, is for us to be engaged in something He does not approve of.

Martinez39:

*) Given that I purport my god to be all knowing, curious minds would want god to reveal mysteries of the universe for our betterment and understanding. Mysteries such as the natural cure for HIV, scientific mysteries, etc.

ATHEISTS IDIOTICALLY MAKE UP FALSE ATTRIBUTES FOR GOD, AND THEN BLASPHEME HIM, FOR NOT MANIFESTING THOSE ATTRIBUTES, THAT HE NEVER CLAIMED TO HAVE

God already gave the cure for HIV and all other Diseases in The Bible.

FASTING ALONE cures 98% of illnesses and ailments.

As for "Scientific Mysteries" He has promised to lead us into All Truth by His Spirit, and given examples of how to do that.

These are things SINNERS want- in order to commit more Sins. For instance, Jew CHAIM WEIZMANN used The Bible to solve a least one important strategic problem of the British Army, telling them how to transport NITROGLYCERINE by rail, without it blowing up. (All it needs to detenate Nitroglycerine is a sharp jolt.)

He found the answer from The Book of Job. In gratitude for HIS services specifically, Prime Minister BALFOUR gave the land of Palestine to the Jewish people.

His Biblical insight enabled the British to kill thousands of Human Beings, over a Political Dispute. The Jewish Israelis have killed thousands of Arabs over Politicsl Disputes, WHEREAS THAT IS NOT EVEN THEIR ANCESTRAL LAND!

THE "JEWS" are descendants of 9^th Century Oyinbo converts to Jewish Religion, called KHAZARS.

This injustice is just one example of what the abuse of Divine Knowledge can do in Unrighteous hands.

The Purpose of HIV is to kill FORNICATORS. Why should God help you to commit Adultery?

Martinez39:

what better way to avoid this test than to say it "it is the glory of my god to conceal a matter and it is the glory of kings(or men) to search it out"? 

*) Given that my god can't be reasonably reconciled with reality, it would be natural, and in my best interest, to insist that his plans and ways are just even though humans can't comprehend it, and his ways are mysterious.

Isn't unnecessary mystery the bed rock of bull crap? Wouldn't it also be in my best interest to insinuate that logical thinking and human reasoning(the most effective tools against my bullcrap) are canal and enmity towards my god and my god cannot and shouldn't be questioned?

THERE ARE FOUR LEVELS OF SPIRITUAL ENERGIZATION- WHICH IS DETERMINED BY THE AMOUNT OF GOD'S COMMANDMENTS ONE HAS OR HAS NOT IMPLEMENTED ON LEVELS OF EXISTENCE.

. THE FOUR LEVELS OF SPIRITUAL ENERGY.

4. HOLINESS.
3. RIGHTEOUSNESS.
2. FILTHINESS.
1. UNJUSTNESS.

Those who achieve HOLINESS can Commune freely with God, receiving answers for all questions they cannot answer with their own sense and senses.

. THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER.

(1) TOTAL RECALL.
(2) EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
(3) TELEKINESIS.
(4) TELEPORTATION.
(5) TRANSLATION.
(6-10) EVERLASTING LIFE.

The Worshipper of God is required to spend seven years, preferably between the ages of 13 and 20, learning The Way of God, and solving all Problems and Questions, before essaying themselves to be knowledgeable about God.

Ignorant arrogant undisciplined Atheists believe that they can barge into The Presence of God, or summon Him like a naughty schoolboy, and demand answers, before they give Him due respect!

Then they conclude that the reason why those answers are not forthcoming is because God does not exist.

WITH THE SPIRIT OF GOD, IT IS ONLY NECESSARY TO FOCUS ATTENTION ON A PROBLEM, AND HE WILL DELIVER THE ANSWER.

To obtain The Spirit of God, it is necessary to have endured multiple tests and levels of learning, before the Living Mind of God consents to dwell with you, and work with you.

Yet, you wicked Atheists think that you should bypass the requirements, and grab the Knowledge immediately.

Martinez39:

*) To further promote my bullshit, I would insist that "... without faith, it is impossible to please god AND THOSE THAT COME TO HIM MUST BELIEVE THAT HE IS... How about "happy are those who haven't seen but yet believe"?

Be sincere with yourself, does that make sense? Is it wise to believe without seeing? Why would that be a virtue if not to bind you, without your resistance, to my bullcrap? Can you practice this in real life when doing business? Can you pay for a car you haven't seen?

Please tell me, if you don't reason, ask questions and seek evidence, how would you know the truth? How can you be sure that something such as god's plan/will, though unreasonable, makes sense in a way that you can not realise? What if I told you that the ways and looting of our Nigerian politicians are just and for the best in a way you cannot understand, would you agree?

HERE IS A QUESTION THAT NO ATHEIST HAS EVER ANSWERED TO MY KNOWLEDGE: WHAT PERSON OR SYSTEM HAVE YOU EVER DEALT WITH IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE, THAT DID NOT REQUIRE YOU TO BELIEVE IN IT FIRST?

I maintain that Atheists suffer from a Mental Disease called ATTENTION-DEFICIT DISORDER, which is characterized by the inability to process connected facts to reach conclusions, because their Mind promptly forgets what it has been taught.

For instance, you misquote HEBREWS 11, which gives many examples of people who obtained Results through FAITH- BELIEVING that GOD WOULD REWARD THEM- without any Evidence.

You are a fool for wanting to receive evidence before you believe God.

You are a fool for accusing the Prophets of being liars, and God of being a liar.

ATHEISTS READ THE EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE WHO OBTAINED RESULTS BY FAITH- IN THE BIBLE, IN HISTORY, AND IN MODERN TIMES- AND THEN CLAIM THAT CHRISTIANITY IS BASED ON FAITH ALONE.

It gets no more stupid than that!

Martinez39:

3) ALL ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS ARE BASED ON FAITH : Christianity, Islam and Judaism are based on faith not reasoning, logic or evidence. Why then are you giving your all for things that have no evidence? There are two problems with faith:
1) Having faith in something doesn't make it true (or mean that it will come to pass).
2) A person could have faith in almost anything however unreasonable and ludicrous.

ONCE YOUR PRAYERS-OF-FAITH ARE ANSWERED, HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF GOD'S EXISTENCE- UNLESS YOU ARE IDIOTICALLY STUPID?

Once your Faith has borne Fruit, you can no longer go back to BELIEVING that God Exists: IF HE HAS RESPONDED TO YOU ONCE, WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED?

What more do you deserve?

THE PURPOSE OF THE PRAYER OF FAITH IS TO FULFILL COMMANDMENTS AND PROMISES OF GOD.

ATHEISTS are not interested in keeping God's Commandments, and therefore pray for things they have no right asking, and then report that Prayer does not work.

How foolish.

Martinez39:

I would continue later.

Martinez39:

4) NO SIGN OF DIVINE OR SUPERNATURAL INTERVENTION, AND NATURE ALWAYS TAKES IT'S CAUSE : now, do yourself the honour of HONESTLY AND SINCERELY observing human life closely and you will discover that there are no tangible and irrefutable signs of the supernatural and it's influence. There are no signs of divine or supernatural intervention. Mankind is on it's own and left to fend for itself. There is no help from anywhere.

Also observe that despite the some much noise about the existence of your god and the greatness of his power, nature and events(regardless of your religious stance and amount of prayer) always proceed naturally as you would expect if there were no god and the physical world and human efforts were all we had. Nature and events would always take their natural course as you expect if there were no god(s) and atheism was the accurate position all along. There is no suspension of the natural laws by your god or any god to help you or your brethren. If a christian or muslim has stomach cancer, nature would take it's course and the believer would end up dead shortly no matter the prayer rendered to god. The same applies to the irreligious.

INSTANTANEOUS HEALINGS FROM CANCER USED TO BE COMMON IN FULL GOSPEL PENTECOSTAL CHRISTIANITY, BEFORE THE CORRUPTION SET IN.

It was learned that even hypocritical Christians could initiate irrefutably Miraculous Healing, if backed by a large enough crowd.

[See: DAUGHTER OF DESTINY, by Jamie Buckingham.]

THE POPES TRADITIONALLY HEALED PEOPLE AT THE LOURDES SHRINE IN FRANCE.

You have never heard of the place, but your Atheist Handlers- or their Handlers' Handlers have- and have hidden that Knowledge from you

The Roman Catholic Church Religion worships "SAINTS," who are believed to have died and gone to Heaven.

To be canonized as a Saint Roman Catholic are required to pray to, the candidate must first be "BEATIFIED."

BEATIFICATION means the authentication that someone obtained a MIRACLE by PRAYING IN THEIR NAME.

They have strict rules for verifying this.

They have a special board that authenticates Miracle Healings that occur at LOURDES. This is taken very seriously.

IF AN ALLEGED MIRACLE DOES NOT PASS THE NECESSARY TESTS, IT DOES NOT GET RECOGNIZED.

Ex-Bishop Alberto Rivera testified negatively about a "SATANIC" Miracle he witnessed at LOURDES, involving an AMPUTEE. He described the Healing taking place before his eyes- a ball of flesh falling from his knee- becoming a L wer leg, foot, and toes- just like that!

[See: THE FORCE, by Jack T. Chick.]

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by oaroloye(m): 7:09am On Jul 05, 2021

Martinez39:

Cancer remission happens to both the religious and irreligious. Great statistical improbability for the remission of most cancers, are not impossibilities. If having a remission of your cancer that had a very rare chance of remission is a miracle, then winning a mega lottery is a miracle as well.

THE PATHETIC APPEAL TO "THE PLACEBO EFFECT" TO EXPLAIN AWAY DIVINE HEALING IS FURTHER EVIDENCE THAT ATHEISM IS A MENTAL ILLNESS.

DIVINE HEALING is a guaranteed part of Bible Religion, not some "stunt" men introduced to It as a "gimmick."

Maximus69:

God's work is not to cure diseases!

oaroloye:

. EXODUS 15:22-26.

22. So Moses brought Israel
from the Red sea,
and they went out
into the wilderness of Shur;
and they went three days
in the wilderness,
and found no water.
23. And when they
came to Marah,
they could
not drink of
the waters of Marah,
for they were bitter:
therefore the name of it
was called Marah.
24. And the people murmured
against Moses,
saying,

"What shall we drink?"

And he cried unto The LORD;
and The LORD shewed him
a tree,
which when he had cast
into the waters,
the waters were made sweet:
there He made for them a Statute
and an Ordinance,
and there He proved them,
25. And Said,

"If thou wilt diligently
hearken to
The Voice of
The LORD thy God,
and wilt do that
which is Right in His Sight,
and wilt give ear
to His Commandments,
and keep all His Statutes,
I will put none of these Diseases
upon thee,
which I have brought
upon the Egyptians:
for I am the LORD
that Healeth thee."

. EXODUS 23:24-26.

24. Thou shalt not
bow down to their gods,
nor serve them,
nor do after their Works:
but thou shalt
utterly overthrow them,
and quite break down their images.
25. "And ye shall serve
The LORD your God,
and He shall Bless thy bread,
and thy water;
and I will take Sickness away
from the midst of thee.
26. "There shall nothing
cast their young,
nor be barren,
in thy land:
the number of thy days
I will fulfil."

IT WOULD BE THE HEIGHT OF FOOLISHNESS TO GUARANTEE THAT GOD WOULD HEAL SICKNESS AND DISEASE, IF THERE WERE NO GOD TO HEAL SICKNESS AND DISEASE!

. DEUTERONOMY 30:10-20.

10. If thou shalt hearken
unto The Voice of
The LORD thy God,
to keep His Commandments
and His Statutes
Which are written
in this Book of The Law,
and if thou turn unto
The LORD thy God
with all thine Heart,
and with all thy Soul.
11. For This Commandment
which I Command thee
This Day,
it is not hidden from thee,
neither is it far off.
12. It is not in Heaven,
that thou shouldest say,

"WHO SHALL GO UP
FOR US TO HEAVEN,
AND BRING IT UNTO US,
THAT WE MAY HEAR IT,
AND DO IT?"

13. Neither is it
beyond the Sea,
that thou shouldest say,

"WHO SHALL GO OVER
THE SEA FOR US,
AND BRING IT UNTO US,
THAT WE MAY HEAR IT,
AND DO IT?"

14. But the Word is
very nigh unto thee,
in thy mouth,
and in thy Heart,
that thou mayest do it.
15. See, I have set
before thee this day
Life and Good,
and Death and Evil;
16. In that I Command thee
this Day to love
The LORD thy God,
to walk in His Ways,
and to keep
His Commandments
and His Statutes
and His Judgments,
that thou mayest
live and multiply:
and The LORD thy God
shall Bless thee
in the Land
whither thou goest
to possess It.
17. But if thine Heart
turn away,
so that thou wilt not hear,
but shalt be drawn away,
and worship other gods,
and serve them;
18. I denounce unto you
This Day,
that ye shall surely perish,
and that ye shall not
prolong your Days
upon the Land,
whither thou passest
over Jordan
to go to possess it.
19. I call Heaven and Earth
to Record this Day
against you,
that I have set before you
Life and Death,
Blessing and Cursing:
therefore Choose Life,

that both thou
and thy Seed may live:

20. That thou mayest love
The LORD thy God,

and that thou mayest obey
His Voice,

and that thou mayest
cleave unto Him:

for He is thy Life,
and the Length of thy Days:

that thou mayest
dwell in the Land
Which The LORD Sware
unto thy Fathers,
to Abraham,
to Isaac,
and to Jacob,
to give them.

. 2^nd CHRONICLES 16:9.

9. "For The Eyes of The LORD
run to and fro throughout
the whole Earth,
to show Himself strong
on behalf of those
whose heart
is perfect toward Him.
Herein thou hast done foolishly:
therefore from henceforth
thou shalt have wars.”

. AMOS 3:3.

3. "Can two walk together,
except they be agreed?"

. JOHN 8:28-53.

28. Then Said Jesus
unto them,

"When ye have lifted up
The Son of Man,
then shall ye know
that I am he,
and that I do
nothing of myself;
but as my Father
hath Taught me,
I Speak these things.
29. "And He that sent me
is with me:
The Father hath not
left me alone;
for I do always those things
that please Him."

30. As he Spake
these Words,
many believed on him.

31. Then Said Jesus
to those Jews
which believed on him,

"If ye continue
in my Word,
then are ye
my Disciples indeed;
32. "And ye shall
know The Truth,
and The Truth
shall make you Free."

33. They answered him,

"We be Abraham's Seed,
and were never in bondage
to any man:
how sayest thou,

'YE SHALL BE
MADE FREE?' "

34. Jesus Answered them,

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

WHOSOEVER COMMITTETH SIN
IS THE SERVANT OF SIN.
35. 'AND THE SERVANT
ABIDETH NOT
IN THE HOUSE FOR EVER:
BUT THE SON
ABIDETH EVER.'

36. "If the Son therefore
shall make you free,
ye shall be free indeed.
37. "I know that ye are
Abraham's Seed;
but ye seek to kill me,
because my Word hath
no place in you.
38. "I Speak That Which
I have seen with my Father:
and ye do that which
ye have seen with your Father."

39. They answered
and said unto him,

"Abraham is our father."

Jesus Saith unto them,

"If ye were Abraham's Children,
ye would do
the Works of Abraham.
40. "But now
ye seek to kill me,
a man that hath told you
The Truth,
Which I have heard of God:
this did not Abraham.
41. "Ye do the deeds
of your father."

Then said they to him,

"We be not
born of fornication;
we have one Father,
even God."

42. Jesus Said unto them,

"If God were your Father,
ye would love me
for I proceeded forth
and came from God;
neither came I of myself,
but He sent me.
43. "Why do ye not
understand my Speech?
Even because ye cannot
hear my Word.
44. "Ye are of your
Father The Devil,
and the lusts
of your Father ye will do.
He was a Murderer
From The Beginning,
and abode not in The Truth,
because there is
no Truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the Father of It.
45. "And because
I Tell you The Truth,
ye believe me not.
46. "Which of you
convinceth me of Sin?
And if I say The Truth,
why do ye not believe me?
47. "He that is of God
heareth God's Words:
ye therefore hear them not,
because ye are not of God."

48. Then answered the Jews,
and said unto him,

"Say we not well
that thou art a Samaritan,
and hast a Devil?"

49. Jesus Answered,

"I have not a Devil;
but I honour my Father,
and ye do dishonour me.
50. "And I seek not
mine own Glory:
there is one that seeketh
and judgeth.

51. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'IF A MAN
KEEP MY SAYING,
HE SHALL NEVER
SEE DEATH.' "

52. Then said the Jews
unto him,

"Now we know
that thou hast a Devil.
Abraham is dead,
and the Prophets;
and thou sayest,

'IF A MAN
KEEP MY SAYING,
HE SHALL NEVER
TASTE OF DEATH.'

53. "Art thou greater
than our father Abraham,
which is dead?
and the Prophets are dead:
whom makest thou thyself?"

HEAVENLY DIVINE LIFE IS ON SEVEN HIGHER LEVELS OF REALITY THAN EARTHLY ANIMAL LIFE, THIS LIFE HAS THE POWER TO HEAL ANYTHING- EVEN DEATH.

. MARK 5:21-43.

21. And when Jesus was
passed over again by ship
unto the other side,
much people gathered unto him:
and he was nigh unto the sea.
22. And, behold, there cometh
one of the Rulers of the Synagogue,
Jairus by name;
and when he saw him,
he fell at his feet,
23. And besought him greatly,
saying,

"My little daughter lieth
at the point of death:
I pray thee, come
and lay thy hands on her,
that she may be Healed;
and she shall live."

24. And Jesus went with him;
and much people followed him,
and thronged him.
25. And a certain woman,
which had an issue of blood
twelve years,
26. And had suffered many things
of many physicians,
and had spent all that she had,
and was nothing bettered,
but rather grew worse,
27. When she had heard of Jesus,
came in the press behind,
and touched his garment.
28. For she said,

"IF I MAY TOUCH
BUT HIS CLOTHES,
I SHALL BE WHOLE."

29. And straightway
the fountain of her blood was dried up;
and she felt in her body
that she was Healed
of that Plague.
30. And Jesus,
immediately knowing in himself
that Virtue had gone out of him,
turned him about in the press,
and Said,

"Who Touched my clothes?"

31. And his Disciples said
unto him,

"Thou seest the multitude
thronging thee,
and sayest thou,

'WHO TOUCHED ME?' "

32. And he looked round about
to see her that had done
this thing.
33. But the woman fearing
and trembling,
knowing what was done in her,
came and fell down before him,
and told him all the Truth.
34. And he Said unto her,

"Daughter, thy Faith hath
made thee whole;
go in Peace,
and be whole of thy Plague."

35. While he yet Spake,
there came from
the Ruler of the Synagogue's house
certain which said,

"Thy daughter is dead:
why troublest thou the Master
any further?"

36. As soon as Jesus
heard the word that was spoken,
he saith unto the Ruler of the Synagogue,

"Be not afraid,
only believe."

37. And he suffered no man
to follow him,
save Peter, and James,
and John the brother of James.
38. And he cometh to the house
of the Ruler of the Synagogue,
and seeth the tumult,
and them that wept and wailed greatly.
39. And when he was come in,
he Saith unto them,

"Why make ye this ado,
and weep?
The damsel is not dead,
but sleepeth."

40. And they laughed him to scorn.
But when he had put them all out,
he taketh the father and the mother
of the damsel,
and them that were with him,
and entereth in
where the damsel was lying.
41. And he took the damsel
by the hand,
and Said unto her,

"Talitha cumi;"

which is, being interpreted,

"DAMSEL,
I SAY UNTO THEE,
ARISE."

42. And straightway the damsel arose,
and walked;
for she was of the age of twelve years.
And they were astonished
with a great astonishment.
43. And he charged them straitly
that no man should know it;
and Commanded that something
should be given her to eat.

DO THESE HEALINGS LOOK LIKE "THE PLACEBO EFFECT" TO YOU? HOW COULD PEOPLE BE SURE THAT A PROPHET OF GOD COULD HEAL THEM?

An explanation why Holy men can Heal, while Sinners cannot is that Holiness is attained and maintained by defying Earthly Nature.

The Life Energy that would have been used to "Naturally" commit SIN is instead STORED, and being stored, It can be TAPPED to perform FURTHER SUPER-NATURAL FEATS- such as HEALING.

Is this not wonderful?

Why do you not GLORIFY GOD, for revealing these things to men?

Is It not because YOU HATE HUMANITY, and would rather "LIVE" LIKE THE ANIMALS- following FLESHLY INSTINCT, rather than THE DIVINE SPIRITS?

Martinez39:

For the miracles you've heard and seen, how do you know these miracles are legitimate? Are there really no chances that they were made up and exaggerated? Think deeply about it.

oaroloye:

. MARK 11:12-26.

12. And on the morrow,
when they had
come from Bethany,
he was hungry:
13. And seeing a fig tree
afar off having leaves,
he went to see if perhaps
he might find
any thing thereon:
But when he came to it
he found nothing
but leaves;
for the time
for figs was not (yet).

14. And Jesus Answered
and Said unto it,

“Let no man
eat fruit of thee hereafter
for ever.”

And his Disciples heard (it).
15. And they come to Jerusalem:
and Jesus went into The Temple,
and began to cast out
them that sold and bought
in The Temple,
and overthrew
the tables of the moneychangers,
and the seats of them
that sold doves;
16. And would not suffer
that any man should carry
any vessel through the Temple.
17. And he Taught,
saying unto them,

"Is it not written,

'MY HOUSE SHALL BE
CALLED OF ALL NATIONS
THE HOUSE OF PRAYER?
BUT YE HAVE MADE IT
A DEN OF THIEVES.' "

18. And the Scribes
and Chief Priests
heard it,
and sought how
they might destroy him:
for they feared him,
because all the people
was astonished at his Doctrine.
19. And when even was come,
he went out of the city.

20 And in the morning,
as they passed by,
they saw the fig tree
dried up from the roots.
21. And Peter,
calling to remembrance
saith unto him,

“Master, behold,
the fig tree
which thou cursedst
is withered away.”
22. And Jesus Answering,
Said unto them,

“Have Faith in God.
23. "For verily I Say unto you,

'THAT WHOSOEVER SHALL SAY
UNTO THIS MOUNTAIN,

"BE THOU REMOVED,
AND BE THOU
CAST INTO THE SEA;'

AND SHALL NOT
DOUBT IN HIS HEART,
BUT SHALL BELIEVE
THAT THOSE THINGS
WHICH HE SAITH
SHALL COME TO PASS;
HE SHALL HAVE
WHATSOEVER HE SAITH.'

24. "Therefore I Say unto you,

'WHAT THINGS SOEVER YE DESIRE,
WHEN YE PRAY,
BELIEVE THAT YE RECEIVE (THEM),
AND YE SHALL HAVE (THEM).'

25. "And when ye stand praying,
forgive, if ye have aught against any,
that your Father also
which is in Heaven
may forgive you your trespasses.
26. "But if ye do not forgive,
neither will your Father
Which is in Heaven
forgive your trespasses."

SINCE WE BELIEVE IN THE EXISTENCE OF GOD- WHO GUARANTEES HEALING FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WITHOUT DOUBTING, WE EXPECT TO HEAR THAT OTHER BELIEVERS WHO ARE SICK AND IMPAIRED SHOULD CALL ON HIM FOR HEALING, AND GET IT.

FAITH works by BELIEF, not DOUBT!

. EXODUS 20:16.

16. "Thou shalt not
bear False Witness
against thy Neighbour."

TO DOUBT THE SCRIPTURES IS TO ACCUSE THE GOD WHO INSPIRED THEM OF BEING A LIAR.

To doubt Healing Testimonies, without any evidence to that effect, is to accuse our Brethren of being liars.

That is not how Saints of God live their lives. That is why we can joyfully Commune with God, and you cannot.

Your life is one of fearfulness, bitterness, bondage, frustration, and Death.

. HEBREWS 2:14-15.

14. Forasmuch then
as the Children are partakers
of flesh and blood,
he also himself likewise
took part of the same;
that through Death
he might destroy him
that had The Power of Death,
that is, The Devil;
15. And deliver them
who through Fear of Death
were all their lifetime
subject to Bondage.

WE BELIEVE IN DIVINE HEALING, BECAUSE WE NEED IT FOR OURSELVES.

There is nothing more stupid than to believe in the existence and availability of things you need, to protect and prolong your life, and never use them when you need them.

An average person who lives in the real World is normally subject to sickness and disease, therefore most Christian Converts have need of Divine Healing from time-to-time.

I DO NOT BELIEVE DIVINE HEALING EXISTS, BECAUSE I HAVE EXPERIENCED IT PERSONALLY: THEREFORE, I KNOW THAT DIVINE HEALING IS REAL, AND THAT GOD IS REAL!

I was born in a country that had Malaria where I was, and when I came to Nigeria, I lived in Endemic areas, and depended upon Medicine to stay alive.

I would invariably fall ill, like clockwork, about four times a year, and need treatment. However, eight years in, I noticed that the Attacks were getting worse, and the Anti-Malarial Drugs were having less and less effect. At that time, no one knew what Drug-Resistant Malaria was.

I became convinced that I would die soon, in a matter of a couple of years at the most, and went to Church to see if I could get closer to God, and perhaps miss Hell, somehow.

I responded to the first Altar Call I had ever seen, and, to my surprise, it felt like an actual physical load I had been carrying like a backpack, had been removed. I literally felt lighter.

But a few weeks later, I learned, that contrary to what I had been taught my whole life, God still performed Miracles today- and that Born Again Christians- which is what I was now- had the Divine Right to call on God for Healing, and expect Him to answer positively!

Therefore, when I next fell ill with Malaria, I confidently called on God for Healing, and was Healed.

That was my practice for the next five years, until I had to leave Organized Christianity, when I uncovered that the Churches that did not believe in the Power of God in Modern Times, had infiltrated the Full Gospel Movement, and trying to suppress Divine Healing.

That was when I learned the cause of illness, and the Biblical way to prevent Sickness and Disease, without having to Pray for Healing.

It is regarded as "normal" to "Catch Cold," and have Headaches. The simple Biblical method I applied eliminated that completely.

However, wicked people, who know all about this, deliberately keep It from Christians and Unbelievers.

ITALIAN DOCTOR, TULLIO SIMONCONI, reasoned that, since Cancers thrived in an Acidic Environment, ALKALIZING the bodies of Cancer patients should impair them. He used common SODIUM BICARBONATE- the active ingredient in BAKING SODA to alkalize the bodies of eighteen TERMINAL CANCER patients, and SAVED all of them.

He tendered his findings to the Medical Board, expecting to be highly commended for his great discovery that saved lives.

Instead, he was struck from the Medical Register, for the "crime" using AN UNAUTHORIZED THERAPY!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrUupHg0wQ0

He explained, that the Medical Establishment does not want the public to know about cures that they did not develop, and hold the patent for.

That is to say, CANCER PATIENTS ARE ALLOWED TO DIE FOR FINANCIAL REASONS. The second simplest and cheapest cure for Cancer is being withheld from the public.

But The Bible teaches the simplest and cheapest cure of all.

. DEUTERONOMY 28:45-46.

45. Moreover all these Curses
shall come upon thee,
and shall pursue thee,
and overtake thee,
till thou be destroyed;
because thou hearkenedst not
unto The Voice of The LORD thy God,
to keep His Commandments
and His Statutes
Which He Commanded thee:
46. And they shall be upon thee
for a sign and for a wonder,
and upon thy seed for ever.

LORD YESHUA TAUGHT THAT GOD CREATED THE EARTH TO OPERATE ON SIMPLE PRINCIPLES EVEN AN ILLITERATE CAN UNDERSTAND.

If you understand the Principles of Sickness and Disease, you can, even easily, conceive their simple cures.

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by oaroloye(m): 2:46pm On Jul 05, 2021

. THE EIGHT DYNAMICS.

(1) SELF; (2) FAMILY; (3) GROUPS;
(4) ALL MANKIND; (5) ALL LIVING THINGS;
(6) THE MEST UNIVERSE; (7) SPIRITS;
( GOD.

[See: THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THOUGHT, by L. Ron Hubbard (1956).]

. DEUTERONOMY 28:45-61.

45. Moreover all these Curses
shall come upon thee,
and shall pursue thee,
and overtake thee,
till thou be destroyed;
because thou hearkenedst not
unto The Voice of The LORD thy God,
to keep His Commandments
and His Statutes
Which He Commanded thee:
46. And they shall be upon thee
for a sign and for a wonder,
and upon thy seed for ever.
49. The LORD shall bring
a nation against thee from far,
from the end of the Earth,
as swift as the eagle flieth;
a nation whose tongue
thou shalt not understand;
50. A nation of
fierce countenance,
which shall not regard
the person of the old,
nor shew favour to the young:
51. And he shall eat
the fruit of thy cattle,
and the fruit of thy land,
until thou be destroyed:
which also shall not
leave thee either corn,
wine, or oil,
or the increase of thy kine,
or flocks of thy sheep,
until he have destroyed thee.
52. And he shall besiege thee
in all thy gates,
until thy high and fenced walls
come down,
wherein thou trustedst,
throughout all thy land:
and he shall besiege thee
in all thy gates
throughout all thy land,
which The LORD thy God
hath given thee.
53. And thou shalt eat
the fruit of thine own body,
the flesh of thy sons
and of thy daughters,
which The LORD thy God
hath given thee, in the siege,
and in the straitness,
wherewith thine enemies
shall distress thee:
54. So that the man
that is tender among you,
and very delicate,
his eye shall be evil
toward his brother,
and toward the wife of his bosom,
and toward the remnant
of his children
which he shall leave:
55. So that he will not
give to any of them
of the flesh of his children
whom he shall eat:
because he hath nothing
left him in the siege,
and in the straitness,
wherewith thine enemies
shall distress thee in all thy gates.
56. The tender and delicate
woman among you,
which would not adventure
to set the sole of her foot
upon the ground
for delicateness and tenderness,
her eye shall be evil
toward the husband of her bosom,
and toward her son,
and toward her daughter,
57. And toward her young one
that cometh out from
between her feet,
and toward her children
which she shall bear:
for she shall eat them
for want of all things
secretly in the siege
and straitness,
wherewith thine enemy
shall distress thee
in thy gates.

58. If thou wilt not
observe to do all
The Words of This Law
that are written in This Book,
that thou mayest fear
This Glorious and Fearful Name,

"THE LORD THY GOD;"

59. Then The LORD
will make thy Plagues Wonderful,
and the Plagues of thy Seed,
even Great Plagues,
and of long continuance,
and sore Sicknesses,
and of long continuance.
60. Moreover He will bring upon thee
all the Diseases of Egypt,
which thou wast afraid of;
and they shall cleave unto thee.
61. Also every Sickness,
and every Plague,
which is not written in
The Book of This Law,
Them will The LORD
bring upon thee,
until thou be destroyed.

oaroloye:

. JOSHUA 1:8.

8. "This Book of The Law
shall not depart
out of thy mouth
but thou shalt meditate
therein day and night,
that thou mayest do
according to all
that is written therein:
for then thou shalt
make thy way prosperous,
and then thou shalt have
Good Success."

. PSALM 119:97-105.

97. O how I love Thy Law!
It is my meditation all the day.
98. Thou through Thy Commandments
hast made me Wiser
than mine enemies:
for They are ever with me.
99 I have more Understanding
than all my teachers:
for Thy Testimonies
are my meditation.
100. I understand
more than the Ancients,
because I keep Thy Precepts.
101. I have refrained my feet
from every Evil Way,
that I might keep Thy Word.
102. I have not departed
from Thy Judgments:
for Thou hast taught me.
103. How sweet are Thy Words
unto my taste!
yea, sweeter than honey
to my mouth!
104. Through Thy Precepts
I get Understanding:
therefore I hate
every False Way.
105. Thy Word is a Lamp
unto my feet,
and a Light unto my path.

"MEDITATION" MEANS, "TO MUTTER," OR, "TO MURMUR."

The Scriptures in general, and THE LAW OF MOSES, in particular, must be read aloud, at least once.

A short selection is then muttered or murmured hundreds into thousands of times per day.

This causes Progressive Enlightenment to be achieved- with new Knowledge being acquired with each repetition- though It may be noticed only after scores into hundreds of repetitions.

Cross-Reference Associations and Corollaries with other Scriptures one did not previously notice come to mind.

One becomes aware of Alternative Interpretations and Applications come to mind, which one could not, or did not want to THINK before, come mind.

. MATTHEW 13:34-35.

34 All these things
Spake Jesus unto
the multitude in Parables;
and without a Parable
Spake he not unto them:
35. That it might be fulfilled
which was spoken by
the Prophet,
saying,

"I WILL OPEN MY MOUTH
IN PARABLES;
I WILL UTTER THINGS
WHICH HAVE BEEN
KEPT SECRET FROM
THE FOUNDATION
OF THE WORLD."

. MARK 4:33-34.

33. And with many
such Parables
spake he The Word
unto them,
as they were able to hear It.
34. But without a Parable
spake he not unto them:
and when they were alone,
he expounded all things
to his Disciples.

FOR A PROBLEM TO BE INSOLUBLE, IT CANNOT BE COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD: ONCE A PROBLEM IS FULLY UNDERSTOOD, IT IS SOLVED.

All Problems and Solutions are based on Basic Principles or combinations of Badic Principles, of which there are a finite number.

If you know all of the Basic Principles, you can then solve ANY possible Problem.

. DIANETICS LOGICS 5-15.

5. A definition of terms
is necessary to the Alignment,
Statement and Resolution of Suppositions,
Observations, Problems and Solutions
and their Communication.

Definition - DESCRIPTIVE DEFINITION: one
which classifies by characteristics,
by describing existing states of Being.

Definition - DIFFERENTIATIVE DEFINITION: one
which Compares unlikeness
to existing states of Being or Not-Being.

Definition - ASSOCIATIVE DEFINITION: one
which declares Likeness
to existing states of Being or not Being.

Definition - ACTION DEFINITION: one
which delineates Cause and Potential Change
of State of Being by cause of Existence,
Inexistence, Action, Inaction,
Purpose or Lack of Purpose.

6. Absolutes are unobtainable.

7. Gradient scales are necessary
to the evaluation of
Problems and their data.

Corollary - Any datum has only relative Truth.

Corollary - Truth is relative to
Environments, Experience and Truth.

8. A datum can be
evaluated only by a datum
of Comparable Magnitude.

9. A datum is as valuable
as it has been evaluated.

10. The value of a datum
is established by
the amount of Alignment (Relationship)
it imparts to other data.

11. The value of a datum
or field of data
can be established by
its degree of assistance
in Survival
or its inhibition to Survival.

12. The value of a datum
or a field of data
is modified by
the viewpoint of the Observer.

13. Problems are resolved
by compartmenting them
into Areas of similar
magnitude and data,
comparing them to data
already known
or partially known,
and Resolving each Area.
Data which cannot
be known immediately
may be resolved by addressing
what is Known
and using its Solution
to resolve the Remainder.

14. Factors introduced
into a Problem or Solution
which do not derive
from Natural Law,
but only
Authoritarian Command
aberrate that Problem
or Solution.

15. The Introduction
of an Arbitrary
into a Problem or Solution
invites the further
Introduction of Arbitraries
into Problems and Solutions.

[See: SCIENTOLOGY 0-8: The Book of Basics, by L. Ron Hubbard (1970).]

THE SIMPLE CURE FOR CANCER AND 98% OF AILMENTS, DISEASES, ILLNESSES, AND SICKNESSES IS FASTING.

If you have a walled city, that is invaded by terrorists, masquerading as refugees, who are all tough fighters, does it make sense to try to feed and arm them, while trying to stop them from robbing, murdering, and destroying your city?

That is basically the same principle of feeding sick people.

A person of normal weight has enough food stored in their body to last for forty days and forty nights.

Food fed to the sick goes straight to the disease organisms, which depend upon excess nutrients in the bloodstream and tissues.

In the terrorist invader scenario, the simple solution is for all citizens to lock up their homes, and stop feeding the strangers. They will presently starve, and be no match for the Police.

This is analogous to what happens when a sick person Fasts.

This procedure will even cure CANCER: like an unwanted child being eaten by her starving mother in a siege, a Fasting Body will use its Cancers and Abnormal Tissues for food- thus curing them.

The Word of God taught this since 3,000 years ago.

Martinez39:

Why is it that the so called miracles that happen, for which christians give testimonies, are either natural things that could have happened anyway(eg. giving birth after many years of marriage, gaining admission into the university, securing a job, etc.) or things that can be faked. It's easy to fake the healing of cancers, multiple sclerosis, inability to walk, blindness, ALS etc. but you can't fake the healing and restoration of an amputated leg or decapitated head. Any surprises why we don't see amputees being restored? Start asking the right questions.

The things you see as miracles or have considered miracles, are they really divine doings or just natural happenings? Think!

KENNETH E. HAGIN, who testified of going to Heaven with "JESUS," and receiving a special Healing Gift, than would only Heal those who had heard and believed his Testimony, before The Throne of God in Heaven.

He later testified that he had Healed people who had been diagnosed snd tested at the MAYO CLINIC (a very prestigious institution,) as having a short time to live, having TERMINAL CANCER- and his Healing Power Healed them immediately.

These records are not recognized by Medical and Scientific Authorities.

A rich young man of 21, suffered a heart attack, and was diagnosed by the three best specialists in America as suffering from a MITRAL VALVE INFARCTION, and predicted to die young.

He went to an alternative Physician, who used an unapproved electrical device to achieve the same diagnosis in minutes, that had taken the Western specialists days to arrive at.

Wryly happy to have validated the Alternative Medical Practioner's Knowledge, the young man asked his affirmation that the ailment was incurable.

The Oriental astounded him by saying that that was true- only in America- but if he went to either MEXICO or SWITZERLAND, they could help him there.

He went to Switzerland, and the Specialists extracted cells from one part of his body, and injected them directly into his heart, to rebuild the valve.

In a few weeks, he confronted the Doctors who had given him up to die, and asked them to repeat their tests.

They were astounded to find that all trace of the congenital problem had disappeared! But it was his turn to be astonished, when he began to explain how he had been treated, and they told him, to his face, that no such treatment existed: that he had merely been misdiagnosed!

He realized that the Medical Establishment was deliberately covering up the fact that cures for ailments they had classified as "incurable" actually existed, outside of their approval.

He therefore vowed to expose their wickedness. He was sentenced to ten years in prison for writing a book exposing how a cheap cure for Obesity that does not respond to diet nor exercise, was covered up by murdering the discoverer, when he was about to pass the secret on to some fifty doctors at his retirement.

[See: I BELIEVE IN VISIONS, by Kenneth E. Hagin.
NATURAL CURES "THEY" DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT, by Kevin Trudeau (2004).
THE WEIGHT-LOSS CURE "THEY" DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT, by Kevin Trudeau (2007).]

The no-longer young man, KEVIN TRUDEAU, has just been released from prison.

THIS IS HOW ATHEISTS COVER UP THE TRUTH ABOUT GOD AND HIS POWERS.

Martinez39:

5) NO TANGIBLE DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF THE RELIGIOUS AND IRRELIGIOUS : untimely death, cancers and other health challenges, poverty, sudden financial crisis, academic failure, mental illnesses, marital failure, injustice, bereavement, accidents, kidnap, rape etc. happen to both the religious and irreligious, and these mishaps happen to both sides at almost the same frequency regardless of race, age, moral uprightness and background. Try thinking about this.

If indeed your god were benevolent, all powerful and really loves his people, why doesn't he make a difference in their lives? Why doesn't he ensure that his followers stand out in life? What exactly are the impacts of your god in people's lives? People praise god, give their hard earned money as tithes and provisions to move the church forward yet what tangible impact does god have in the lives of his children? Why do the things I listed keep happening to both sides in the manner I described?

Why really bother? Think.

IT IS VERY SIMPLE: THE PEOPLE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE HYPOCRITES LIKE YOURSELF!

They knew God's Word, but did not do It.

What else could the results be?

Martinez39:

6) YOUR RELIGION ISN'T NEEDED TO MAKE YOU MORAL AND HOLY BOOKS ARE NOT GREAT SOURCE OF MORALITY : people in opposition to atheism usually ask "how can people be moral without god and religion?" and to this I reply "how come many atheists are moral without god and many believers are immoral with god?" You can be morally upright without your god and holy book. Human morality and decency precedes religion and religion has no right to monopolise morality. Can you name one act of kindness that you cannot achieve if you don't believe in your god? Your morality is inborn and you need no holy book or god to tell you right from wrong.

In fact, chances are that you are better, much better, than many of your fellow believers. The most hardened crooks, thieves, condescending, hypocritical, petty, mean, heartless, greedy, proud and cruel individuals are religious folks. Many claim they are religious and serve god faithfully yet they don't treat their fellow human beings right, especially those they consider beneath them. They treat those they consider inferior like trash. They are even snobbish. Don't forget the homophobia that has riddled most part of the religious community. There are people who are atheist and don't behave like that, how do they do it? You can treat others right and know right from wrong without the help of a god or holy book. Even the moral compass of the abrahamic holy books are faulty and you can do better on your own. So why bother?

Even the religious cannot keep their own laws. They harbor hatred, jealousy and wicked intentions, they fornicate, get drunk, watch porn, commit adultery, don't help the needy — they very things which their religion, which they claim to follow, commands them not to do. So why bother when you can do better on your own and be free?

MORALITY IS SINNERS' STANDARDS OF RIGHT AND WRONG: IT IS NOT RELEVANT.

Everything God Commands can be condemned as "IMMORAL" by Sinful Hypocrites.

ONLY THOSE WHO AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH GOD'S STANDARD OF RIGHT/WRONG CAN PERCEIVE HIM AND FIND HIM.

Martinez39:

7) RELIGION IS FOR THE POOR AND GULLIBLE BUT NOT FOR THE RICH : the poor and gullible burden themselves with religion and vigorously embrace it. They also have it seriously and heavily implemented on them by their clergies. Now, if a rich muslim billionaire wants to wed his muslim daughter to a christian guy, he will be given a free pass and even receive the blessings of the imam but had it being a poor muslim who want to wed his broke daughter to a broke christian guy, all hell would be let loose at how the sacred precepts of the quran are being violated.

A famous and rich homosexual can be accepted by top churches as a member but in poorer and local churches it cannot happen. It's even worse if the homosexual is unknown and broke or they may lynch and disgrace him or her publicly. Most rich religious people and their children don't even take these religious stuff seriously. The politicians among them use it as useful tool. Clergies enable these people and twist the rules for them. Even your clergy whom you think is fire brand and faithful will compromise when the rich move their "paper weights" around. It is only the poor and gullible that take religion too seriously and become useful idiots for the clergies and elites at the top.

What applies to the rich doesn’t apply to the poor. To show that religion is just a tool in the hands of the clergy and elites, why is it that a corrupt, looting, womanising and wicked politician will come to church when election is around the corner, and the top GO will lay his hands on him in front of his massive congregation? The politician is simply looking for votes and has teamed up with daddy GO. If he can't appeal to the congregation directly, he will indirectly do so through the GO because people trust, believe and rever their GO and would vote for the politicians endorsed by him. If the GO says "this politician has been chosen by god to lead the nation..." majority would vote because they god has pointed out the right and best candidate through daddy GO.

It should be noted that I am not trying to generalise, but I am referring to majority of cases. I am not against rich people, neither do I regard with condescension poor and uneducated people. The abrahamic religions may condemn homosexuality but top religious institutions will twist their scriptures and condone and conduct gay marriages. I am not against gay marriage but people should know where they stand and stop fostering homophobic doctrines and religious beliefs that a lot of people take seriously even though these top religious institutions and elites don't take them seriously.

Why bother?

YOU KNOW VERY WELL THAT THE LORD ASKED: "WHAT DOES IT PROFIT A MAN, TO GAIN THE WHOLE WORLD, AND LOSE HIS OWN SOUL?"

It is possible to be Rich, and Spiritually-successful. We have never seen that, even in millionaire and maybe billionaire Preachers. They are not as successful as they think they are.

They have never succeeded in attaining EVERLASTING LIFE, and have little or no grasp of THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER.

We need Christians who will get it RIGHT.

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by monsuruabiola(m): 11:53pm On Jul 05, 2021

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Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by Martinez39s(m): 8:33pm On Aug 22, 2021

I SAID IT.

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by LordReed(m): 11:12am On Aug 23, 2021

Martinez39s:
I SAID IT.

What is sad is people will see this and continue on their oblivious way without questioning the religious strictures. If there was a Big Brother watching why is he so silent when people flaunt his "laws" so brazenly? Is he asleep or has he abandoned his duty post to go watch porn?

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Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by Image123(m): 11:33am On Aug 23, 2021

LordReed:

What is sad is people will see this and continue on their oblivious way without questioning the religious strictures. If there was a Big Brother watching why is he so silent when people flaunt his "laws" so brazenly? Is he asleep or has he abandoned his duty post to go watch porn?

Heard of Judgement Day? Oh,you assume you watched it. Ok

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by hupernikao: 11:46am On Aug 23, 2021

Martinez39:

If I ask adherents of the three main abrahamic religions(Christianity, Islam and Judaism) why they keep to their faith and why they think their beliefs are valid, all sorts of reasons, however unreasonable, would surface. For the true believers, who in all sincerity, embraced and labour for their belief, I would like to ask, why bother? Would you not consider leaving the shackles of your faith? Have you really questioned your beliefs? Here are the reasons why you should consider leaving :

So much energy and sincerity but you were wrong.

As per Christianity, all the points you raised above have nothing to do with what the Bible taught. Your thoughts are mostly from lack of proper study and understanding of what you are criticizing. Most times, it is because you have been exposed and conditioned to lies and misinformed. You won't agree to this because, the same veil that covered those you called religious is still on your face. You had the veil on you since the period of your religious journey. A claim of enlightenment now, only changed the color of the veil, your understanding of the scriptures is still under the veil.

You claimed position of enlightenment is supposed to help you know how to read properly and be objective and scholarly. That means if you are truly enlightened, you should be able to read the Bible properly without even having to believe what it explained. And get to the right conclusion of what it taught.

But sadly, the claimed enlightenment of most like you who critic the Bible are still entrenched and lost in ignorance and false teaching they were exposed to when you were church goers or be around the church. Remove the old and new veil on you and see properly.

Re: Sincere Adherents Of Abrahamic Religions, Why Bother? by Martinez39s(m): 6:48am On Dec 28, 2021

Nyascobar1414:
@Martinez...
Are you an atheist?
And pls why..
No offence

Go through this topic. There are many more things I could say. You can ask questions if you want.

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