Brilliant. The suffer in Nigeria is so great that some people have no idea the relative peaceful day to day living they may even find in neighbouring countries in Africa. They go to US see electricity, internet, fine cars and infrastructure and say the US is the 'greatest.' The major difference between the US is that it shares so many problems with third countries that are completely inexistent in its peer countries in the West. Greatest country where people in emergency won't call the ambulance for fear of bankruptcy and poverty

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/395409-story-of-injured-woman-begging-people-not-to-call-ambulance-due-to-costs-gains

pansophist:


See eh, I live in the Netherlands. I am so comfortable here that moving to the USA will reduce my quality of life. America has no public healthcare system, and healthcare is the number one reason for bankruptcy in the US, meanwhile here, even if my medical bills cost 100 million dollars, I won't pay a dime. It is completely free. Education is almost free, and as NL is a country of the EU, its citizens are entitled to live anywhere and access quality services like citizens there. Education in the Nordics are completely free, and I will take a course in maybe Sweden or Finland next year, and it will be completely free for me. An American ex that came to my uni for exchange could not believe that it was free for us to study, and she has close to 150k usd in student loan. Imagine starting life as a young adult with that amount owed to a bank, and it grows with interest. Just in case you do not know, student debt is a common cause of suicide in the US among young people.

The US is not safe, with the gun problems, I can't imagine raising a kid there. How about the foods? do I need to remind that the US is the most obese country in the world? Americans are fat because the food there is horrible. GMO in foods without the label. Over here, every foods has a label if its GMO or organic, so I know what I am eating. And I do not like that government spend money bombing other countries, policing the world and destabilizing smaller countries. Also, mobility in EU is so efficient. Go to ryanair.com, wizzair.com, or easyjet.com, you will see cheap flight for as little as 5euros to let's say the UK from Germany. Travelling is cheap, efficient and awesome. It is difficult for me not to travel at least once a month to a different country. In the winter if I need sun, the Spanish island in Africa, or Malta, or somewhere in Italy will do. Like snow? go to Scandinavia, the EU is like a giant, multicultural country, and I love it.

The US taxes its citizens on income they earn abroad. SO if you are an American working in the UK, you pay tax from your salary in the UK to the US. I am trying not to write a long sentence here, but if you wanna know exactly how I feel like a European to move to the US, read this thread on Quora, with European telling you why the US is a bad deal for to move to. I tell you in all honesty, I won't if you gave me an American passport. I can visit, but will never live there.

https://www.quora.com/Why-dont-we-have-more-people-from-countries-like-Norway-immigrating-to-America

timesup234:
How is Nigeria a failed state when she is producing the highest number of dollar millionaires as we speak? The definition of a failed country should be America where millions are moving from the middle class to the working class. The America dream is a facade and in reality a nightmare

And many are also move from middle class to the upper class / 1%er

a country with millions of millionaires

USD millionaires

InvertedHammer:

/
Too many countries....


But Nigeria ain't one.

/

Name them nah...and if not then all your previous post are all lies.

TheEminentLaity:
You must have never boarded a plane yourself There is no other country in the west that the citizens complain and outright protest against discrimination and discriminatory laws than in the US. By the way, the UK is the most convenient place for a black person to exist, outside their own continent, anywhere in the world. Racism overtly expressed, certainly not in the UK, try USA with Trayvon Martin and the likes. A country that abolished Jim Crow laws as recent as in the 70s and you are talking about 'super racist.' Google it, some places in south of USA still have segregated proms in High School where black kids have their separate proms from white kids. You must not also watch the news and get your information about US from Jack Bauer and the Kardashians, about how americans, because they are black are screaming 'black lives matter.' . The US population is largely ignorant of the world outside their noses and everyone is identified by colour/race first. Completely wierd for anyone coming from Western Europe.

America to many Nigerians is like Nigeria to other Africans and black people around the world after watching Davido, Wizkid and PSquare on Youtube think Nigeria is a great place to live, meanwhile it is the one of the worst in Africa, comparable with the war torn countries in the regiion, to live in as a regular person where very comfortable middle-class citizens are leaving in droves. You need a lot of money to be secure and for the law to work in Nigeria and it's similar in the US because you are likely to get caught up with a stray bullet or get robbed in many low-income neighbourhoods. The US with all its money is the third world country of the West. I understand when sufferhead nigerians who move to US see constant electricity and start talking rubbish. Nobody who is rich or comfortably middle class in Europe would want to live in the US. Nobody!

I'm sure you have no idea that prisons close in Scandinavian countries and people sleep without locking their doors and move freely everywhere and 'don't need guns to stop bad guys with guns' or that in the US, majority about 70% would have trouble paying a $400 bill emergency and many people are one ailment away from bankrupcy and poverty and homelessness. I won't bother posting links, google is your friend but stop watching music videos for information about the US. You don't see schools and cinemas being shot up by crazy people with assault rifles (home edition) or gang wars in areas in the US? Or you think because you come from Nigeria the victims could never be you or your siblings? Just look at the some of the retrogressive laws some of the states are passing into law in 2019.

There is a lot of money in the US like Nigeria in Africa but living in Botswana or even Ivory Coast is better for a regular person than living in Nigeria. Right now even Nigeria is becoming one of the worst places to live if you are not super rich. Likewise the US, the difference and advantage is that social mobility is a thing in the US. The richest people change all the time and people move up and down the economic ladder.

Get your facts right next time, and oh I have lived in some of these countries and speak from experience. If I was Ghanaian, Rwandan or South African and middle class why in the world would I want to migrate to the US of all places to get shot or for me or my children to be called niggers?

America is still a great place nonetheless

not a place for lazy and unproductive people

if you want generous welfare
go to fvxkin Europe

Ugosample:


And many are also move from middle class to the upper class / 1%er

a country with millions of millionaires

USD millionaires

lol!...I can't believe you're still giving that moniker you sent this above quote to any wasted time you have.

Beautyaddy:


lol!...I can't believe you're still giving that moniker you sent this above quote to any wasted time you have.

the guy tire me.

America for sure have its faults

But that country is just too unique

most of the innovation comes from there

Fortune 500 companies

etc etc....


people like the generous welfare package that Europe gives

But more Europeans move to America

than Americans to Europe

you need to see the stat on the number of overstayers from Europe

it really boils down to what you want in life sha

Some want the comforts

while others want the opportunity that America gives

that's just it

Ugosample:


America is still a great place nonetheless

not a place for lazy and unproductive people

if you want generous welfare
go to fvxkin Europe

Are you minding those obviously jealous people on about the US?

You have to understand that the weak and lazy Africans like to live in most of those European countries because they don't have to work or stay on top of their God-given potentials because of the following:

They pay very high taxes to the government so that everybody from the rich, middle and lazy class all get to enjoy the same type of social benefits and they all remain on the same level financially.

They don't have to deal with overt racism(even though there's a high rate of covert racism being placed on most Africans in those European countries.)

So yes, the United States is not for Lazy People.

Beautyaddy:


Are you minding those obviously jealous people on about the US?

You have to understand that the weak and lazy Africans like to live in most of those European countries because they don't have to work or stay on top of their God-given potentials because of the following:

They pay very high taxes to the government so that everybody from the rich, middle and lazy class all get to enjoy the same type of social benefits and they all remain on the same level financially.

They don't have to deal with overt racism(even though there's a high rate of covert racism being placed on most Africans in those European countries.)

So yes, the United States is not for Lazy People.

the lazy class seems to be growing in Europe tho

you need to check out "Lazy Britain" for example

And there seems to be a permanent underclass as well...
social mobility na war

Ugosample:


the lazy class seems to be growing in Europe tho

you need to check out "Lazy Britain" for example

And there seems to be a permanent underclass as well...
social mobility na war

Very true.

But as you know most of them don't see it that way.

A bulk of there taxes goes into maintaining their infrastructures and providing free social services to all their citizens.

But there is one thing they are not very good with and that is all those European countries do not have friendly immigration laws to bring in and accommodate different class of foreigners(especially with Africans) to reach their highest potentials or reach major political roles in government in those countries.

Beautyaddy:


Very true.

But as you know most of them don't see it that way.

A bulk of there taxes goes into maintaining their infrastructures and providing free social services to all their citizens.

But there is one thing they are not very good with and that is all those European countries do not have friendly immigration laws to bring in and accommodate different class of foreigners(especially with Africans) to reach their highest potentials or reach major political roles in government in those countries.

yes
that's it

How many black owner businesses (notable ones o ) will you see in Europe?

regulations go just strangulate you

especially that useless France

And who is saying America isn't great?

Generous welfare that's all you got from my post?

Ugosample:


America is still a great place nonetheless

not a place for lazy and unproductive people

if you want generous welfare
go to fvxkin Europe

So minority citizens don't own and run businesses in Europe and France?

Ugosample:


yes
that's it

How many black owner businesses (notable ones o ) will you see in Europe?

regulations go just strangulate you

especially that useless France

Jealous about the US? Sometimes I'm puzzled if some people can even read. Many africans, i dare say like yourself, only think about contributing to developed countries by doing menial jobs but no decently regulated country would allow migrants come in illegaly, for that matter, for unskilled labour. If you think about migrating and your ceiling is sweeping the streets, the US is great for you. You can make something out of it, but don't fall sick that you would require an operation or something and don't call an ambulance.

Now if you are going to be meaningful and think long term and care about how offsprings are going to be raised and in which society, then you'd see that the US ain't all that in the league of civilized nations.

I raised a lot of points in my other post, still waiting for a rebuttal on how the US is better. By the way, there are so many lazy people in the US.

Beautyaddy:


Are you minding those obviously jealous people on about the US?

You have to understand that the weak and lazy Africans like to live in most of those European countries because they don't have to work or stay on top of their God-given potentials because of the following:

They pay very high taxes to the government so that everybody from the rich, middle and lazy class all get to enjoy the same type of social benefits and they all remain on the same level financially.

They don't have to deal with overt racism(even though there's a high rate of covert racism being placed on most Africans in those European countries.)

So yes, the United States is not for Lazy People.

TheEminentLaity:
So minority citizens don't own and run businesses in Europe and France?

Regulations go finish you for France

my principal residence is in CIV and I have French partners complain about the regulations a lor.
to do business na war

upward mobility in France,?
except you are a sportsman
FORGET IT

at best you will live a mediocre life, a feel good life, a comfortable life

some people are fine with it

some are not

And remember
my question is....

How many?

Living in the US is completely different from what is being promoted. 'Land of the free, with the blacks enslaved' - Jay Z but you keep hearing land of the free and America was founded on freedom and self-determination. Reality isn't always what it seems. The US is super rich and there is a lot of money or rather credit available for a lot of people. Do you know about the advanced credit system of the US? When Akon said many Nigerian artists are richer than US artists because they buy their own cars and houses, did you believe him? Maybe I should start posting links, how majority of americans are in debt they won't pay off till they die or that so many would struggle to fork out $400 cash for an emergency.

You live in CIV, do the middle class there, medical doctors and high earning middle class leave in droves? but they know there is money in Nigeria and 'opportunity' in Nigeria, after seeing Davido and Wizkid, isn't it? That's how the US is to other developed countries like Japan, which is even a stretch by miles. But if one is super rich, one can enjoy any place on earth even Mars so where would that person choose to live? a place where people are allowed to have assault rifles like mobile phones. Do you know about 'Stand your ground' law in states like Florida? Abeg make una leave matter.

Last last, it depends on what some people want and want to achieve in their life. If one is at the bottom of socioeconomic ladder in Nigeria, the US would be a great place to migrate to and make a living but also note that not everyone lives with Boko Haram in Nigeria. What's the point leaving your decent living and secure environment in Nigeria to go pay exorbitant rent in New York living close to the projects or some gang dense area like Southern California? Some nigerians had never been robbed at gun point until they migrated to the US and to the extreme shot at.

Ugosample:



Regulations go finish you for France

my principal residence is in CIV and I have French partners complain about the regulations a lor.
to do business na war

upward mobility in France,?
except you are a sportsman
FORGET IT

at best you will live a mediocre life, a feel good life, a comfortable life

some people are fine with it

some are not

And remember
my question is....

How many?

TheEminentLaity:
Jealous about the US? Sometimes I'm puzzled if some people can even read. Many africans, i dare say like yourself, only think about contributing to developed countries by doing menial jobs but no decently regulated country would allow migrants come in illegaly, for that matter, for unskilled labour. If you think about migrating and your ceiling is sweeping the streets, the US is great for you. You can make something out of it, but don't fall sick that you would require an operation or something and don't call an ambulance.

Now if you are going to be meaningful and think long term and care about how offsprings are going to be raised and in which society, then you'd see that the US ain't all that in the league of civilized nations.

I raised a lot of points in my other post, still waiting for a rebuttal on how the US is better. By the way, there are so many lazy people in the US.

That highlighted statement is a Big Fat Lie. Believe it or not.

Most Africans who come into the States that have legal status and who are not Lazy and do not want to depend on government welfare are not anywhere found doing menial jobs.

The US as a country is about if not more in size the continent of Europe and so yes, some of the immigrants who go to the US get in legally but end up overstaying the terms of their legal stay and which ends up making them become illegal. The way it is easy and accessible for the immigration officers to easily deport illegal immigrants in most European countries cannot be done in the US because the US is so big in size and population.

Mind you the US has a very decently regulated and humane immigration laws that give every category of people from the very rich to the very poor opportunities to migrate into the US legally.

TheEminentLaity:
Living in the US is completely different from what is being promoted. 'Land of the free, with the blacks enslaved' - Jay Z but you keep hearing land of the free and America was founded on freedom and self-determination. Reality isn't always what it seems. The US is super rich and there is a lot of money or rather credit available for a lot of people. Do you know about the advanced credit system of the US? When Akon said many Nigerian artists are richer than US artists because they buy their own cars and houses, did you believe him? Maybe I should start posting links, how majority of americans are in debt they won't pay off till they die or that so many would struggle to fork out $400 cash for an emergency.

You live in CIV, do the middle class there, medical doctors and high earning middle class leave in droves? but they know there is money in Nigeria and 'opportunity' in Nigeria, after seeing Davido and Wizkid, isn't it? That's how the US is to other developed countries like Japan, which is even a stretch by miles. But if one is super rich, one can enjoy any place on earth even Mars so where would that person choose to live? a place where people are allowed to have assault rifles like mobile phones. Do you know about 'Stand your ground' law in states like Florida? Abeg make una leave matter.

Last last, it depends on what some people want and want to achieve in their life. If one is at the bottom of socioeconomic ladder in Nigeria, the US would be a great place to migrate to and make a living but also note that not everyone lives with Boko Haram in Nigeria. What's the point leaving your decent living and secure environment in Nigeria to go pay exorbitant rent in New York living close to the projects or some gang dense area like Southern California? Some nigerians had never been robbed at gun point until they migrated to the US and to the extreme shot at.

I was trying to make sense out of some of your points until you made this highlighted statement...after which I just knew there was no need to further my civil back and forth discussion with you.

If you have to use Akon in one of your points...Where does Akon reside permanently now?

All those so-called rich artiste in Nigeria like Davido, Wizkid and the likes how do they contribiut the welfare and development of Nigeria? What taxes do they pay(or yes they will and are not required to pay taxes into a system governed by chronic corrupt leaders). Anybody can make money and be rich in a Fanatically Corrupt country like Nigeria...so what is new about that?

/
The taste of the pudding is in the eating. America is the best, easy and very accommodating.

Then why are all of you here who live in the same America not billionaires? Abi una America different?

/

Ok good, but how many migrate legally? I get it. The US is the land of opportunities, so much money and much to do, good just like Nigeria in Africa but why are people, and I mean people earning over 500k per month, leaving with their families in droves or dem no dey see the 'opportunities'? Even my friend UgoSample wey dey live for CIV, why him no live inside Nigeria enjoy the 'opportunities' abi Dangote and Otedola no dey live there again? Some of us no gree live for Nigeria again, we no want be Dangote or Dino Melaye.

Bottomline, if money is everything to you then the US is a no-brainer but mind you money is everything usually to those who don't have it and trust the feeling is transient, because when money comes, other things become more important, like living in a serene environment where rights are upheld regardless of race and you or your siblings are less likely to encounter violence.

Beautyaddy:


That highlighted statement is a Big Fat Lie. Believe it or not.

Most Africans who come into the States that have legal status and who are not Lazy and do not want to depend on government welfare are not anywhere found doing menial jobs.

The US as a country is about if not more in size the continent of Europe and so yes, some of the immigrants who go to the US get in legally but end up overstaying the terms of their legal stay and which ends up making them become illegal. The way it is easy and accessible for the immigration officers to easily deport illegal immigrants in most European countries cannot be done in the US because the US is so big in size and population.

Mind you the US has a very decently regulated and humane immigration laws that give every category of people from the very rich to the very poor opportunities to migrate into the US legally.

Mehn, Akon is in a tax bracket that can afford to live anywhere in the world. He can afford gated and well secure estates in places where his closest neghbour would be 100 meters away just like sport stars and actors. How many Nigerian immigrants are as rich as Akon or would be or become as rich? and how many Nigerians who are indeed as rich as Akon, choose to live in the US

Anybody can make money in 'fantastically corrupt' Nigeria, then why are you on this thread talking about migration or are you not 'anybody'? Nigeria is perfect then, but why are we running?

Seems you haven't gotten my point, here it is: Not everybody would be as rich as Akon, Davido, Wizkid or Dangote but do the rest of the others, the majority, deserve a decent life in a decent society? There lies the question for migrating to the US or elsewhere in the West.

Beautyaddy:


I was trying to make sense out of some of your points until you made this highlighted statement...after which I just knew there was no need to further my civil back and forth discussion with you.

If you have to use Akon in one of your points...Where does Akon reside permanently now?

All those so-called rich artiste in Nigeria like Davido, Wizkid and the likes how do they contribiut the welfare and development of Nigeria? What taxes do they pay(or yes they will and are not required to pay taxes into a system governed by chronic corrupt leaders). Anybody can make money and be rich in a Fanatically Corrupt country like Nigeria...so what is new about that?

TheEminentLaity:
Living in the US is completely different from what is being promoted. 'Land of the free, with the blacks enslaved' - Jay Z but you keep hearing land of the free and America was founded on freedom and self-determination. Reality isn't always what it seems. The US is super rich and there is a lot of money or rather credit available for a lot of people. Do you know about the advanced credit system of the US? When Akon said many Nigerian artists are richer than US artists because they buy their own cars and houses, did you believe him? Maybe I should start posting links, how majority of americans are in debt they won't pay off till they die or that so many would struggle to fork out $400 cash for an emergency.

You live in CIV, do the middle class there, medical doctors and high earning middle class leave in droves? but they know there is money in Nigeria and 'opportunity' in Nigeria, after seeing Davido and Wizkid, isn't it? That's how the US is to other developed countries like Japan, which is even a stretch by miles. But if one is super rich, one can enjoy any place on earth even Mars so where would that person choose to live? a place where people are allowed to have assault rifles like mobile phones. Do you know about 'Stand your ground' law in states like Florida? Abeg make una leave matter.

Last last, it depends on what some people want and want to achieve in their life. If one is at the bottom of socioeconomic ladder in Nigeria, the US would be a great place to migrate to and make a living but also note that not everyone lives with Boko Haram in Nigeria. What's the point leaving your decent living and secure environment in Nigeria to go pay exorbitant rent in New York living close to the projects or some gang dense area like Southern California? Some nigerians had never been robbed at gun point until they migrated to the US and to the extreme shot at.

well well

What more do I.have to say.....

you have your own views
And feel strongly about them

America is STILL a very great place to live
regardless it's flaws.

InvertedHammer:
/
The taste of the pudding is in the eating. America is the best, easy and very accommodating.

Then why are all of you here who live in the same America not billionaires? Abi una America different?

/

The American dream is still achievable to whomever that is willing to WORK and SACRIFICE for it...

If my efulefu uncle can make it the way he did over there over the last ten years, with the investments popping back home in Nigeria and his Trucking and delivery business back in America, anybody can.

that is my point

You are working two jobs, so what?
what plans do you have to start doing better for yourself?

Well sha people see things different

Ugosample:



Regulations go finish you for France

my principal residence is in CIV and I have French partners complain about the regulations a lor.
to do business na war

upward mobility in France,?
except you are a sportsman
FORGET IT

at best you will live a mediocre life, a feel good life, a comfortable life

some people are fine with it

some are not

And remember
my question is....

How many?

I don't think it's that bad in Europe...
There's actually upward social mobility for immigrants...
At least, I'm sure of UK...
The new home Secretary is indian while the chancellor of exchequer is Pakistani...
Upper class british indian elites are so well grounded that they now have there own exclusive n expensive neighbourhood....
Asian kids now dominate grammar schools which is a kind of elitist high school like our own unity schools...

I think we African immigrants just don't understand and understudy the system enough to make something out of it...
We always waiting for someone somewhere to lift us up or give us the cookies without making much effort....
That's what I've noticed of african immigrants in Europe...
I don't know if it's different in usa...

AnthonyAk:


In Calgary my sister bought a 7 bedroom plus basement brand new for 600k.

It's just recently the spill over for it jobs is going to Calgary.

Id love to goto a small town up north or in the prairies if I could find a job there or remotely

prairies is extremely cold in winter,hence the cheap houses. Hmm the kind cold na wa.

Beautyaddy:


I was trying to make sense out of some of your points until you made this highlighted statement...after which I just knew there was no need to further my civil back and forth discussion with you.

If you have to use Akon in one of your points...Where does Akon reside permanently now?

All those so-called rich artiste in Nigeria like Davido, Wizkid and the likes how do they contribiut the welfare and development of Nigeria? What taxes do they pay(or yes they will and are not required to pay taxes into a system governed by chronic corrupt leaders). Anybody can make money and be rich in a Fanatically Corrupt country like Nigeria...so what is new about that?

and you think in America taxes are not evaded right. Hmmmm your thinking sha � leaves me in deep worries.

Great? Maybe, of course yes in comparison with shitholes; Greatest? No way, by a long shot. There are much better places.

Even in France, contrary to what is touted here on this thread by the muricans, immigrants can achieve status, not only footballers. I understand this thread is about illegals so it's focused on social mobility for them but people make money in Europe too, it only depends on where one is looking but unlike the US money isn't everything in those societies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidjane_Thiam

Ugosample:

well well

What more do I.have to say.....

you have your own views
And feel strongly about them

America is STILL a very great place to live
regardless it's flaws.

pansophist:


Your head correct, spot-on brotherly.

Only poverty-stricken people will consider the US as an ideal place to immigrate to, or those who are grossly misinformed about the current state of the US, who still hold the long-gone American dream illusion. I know few illegal Americans here in the Netherlands, they came as a tourist, some on a one-year working holiday visa, their eye got cleared that America is a shithole, and refuse to go back. The smart one gets an English job or looks for a girlfriend to legalize themselves, them full Germany as well.

Of course, the US has lost of billionaires, but how does it affect the life of the ordinary man? or does Dangote being a Billionaire means Nigerians are rich? the way some people de think eh, e go be like say make I carry pestle hammer them mouth

You sound absolutely insane. I take it your US visa was denied or you were deported. The fact that an AFRICAN of all people would try to insult a developed country-ANY developed country-is crazy to me. You’re not decent enough to try to improve Nigeria. Like a selfish coward you run to suck from another country’s teat.

America doesn’t need its billionaires to do anything for its people. We have opportunity and means to do for ourselves. However, our wealthy people do spend millions putting people through school, building homes, schools, etc. Many even help out the continent of Africa (ex: Bill Gates & Oprah). What does Africa’s billionaires do except live large while everyone else lives in squalor?

AngelicBeing:
l agree with you, in the past it was much easier but with my koboko friend called Trump now in power, immigration laws / path to PR / citizenship has been tightened more than before, the 2 people l cited in my post are both legally married back in Nigeria, the lady has 3 kids with his husband, while the man has 4 kids back home, so I don't know how they will play the game, both of them are looking for arrangee marriage to legalized their status, heading to canada for Aduro might be their last option

What is this Aduro you speak of? Second time now. Care to explain?

UPDATE: I have found out. In this context it means Asylum or refugee... Something like that, but I get the message now.

TheEminentLaity:
Brilliant. The suffer in Nigeria is so great that some people have no idea the relative peaceful day to day living they may even find in neighbouring countries in Africa. They go to US see electricity, internet, fine cars and infrastructure and say the US is the 'greatest.' The major difference between the US is that it shares so many problems with third countries that are completely inexistent in its peer countries in the West. Greatest country where people in emergency won't call the ambulance for fear of bankruptcy and poverty

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/395409-story-of-injured-woman-begging-people-not-to-call-ambulance-due-to-costs-gains

Not true.There is medicaid and Medicare for people above 65

TheEminentLaity:
Great? Maybe, of course yes in comparison with shitholes; Greatest? No way, by a long shot. There are much better places.

Even in France, contrary to what is touted here on this thread by the muricans, immigrants can achieve status, not only footballers. I understand this thread is about illegals so it's focused on social mobility for them but people make money in Europe too, it only depends on where one is looking but unlike the US money isn't everything in those societies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidjane_Thiam

welfare alone is not the only metric used to judge a great country

And I repeat
the standard of living in America is not bad AT ALL

there are so many other metrics there are to use, just as you have different courses in your report card..


Economic might -A1 (No other country come close)

Military might - A1 - Nobody comes close


Land of innovation - A1

Keeping the peace in South East Asia - you have to give it to them.
If not for the United States, that sub region for don catch fire

And many other things

America does not have medical insurance coverage to every one I know
But yet... America still is number one IN GENERAL.

And France has regulations stifling business
I know it


For me
it's America over Europe for me

I'm working towards moving to the U.S. permanently
France would have been easy for me

but I would rather not
it's a shithole

AkataWoman:


You sound absolutely insane. I take it your US visa was denied or you were deported. The fact that an AFRICAN of all people would try to insult a developed country-ANY developed country-is crazy to me. You’re not decent enough to try to improve Nigeria. Like a selfish coward you run to suck from another country’s teat.

America doesn’t need its billionaires to do anything for its people. We have opportunity and means to do for ourselves. However, our wealthy people do spend millions putting people through school, building homes, schools, etc. Many even help out the continent of Africa (ex: Bill Gates & Oprah). What does Africa’s billionaires do except live large while everyone else lives in squalor?

wow

that was harsh

AkataWoman:


You sound absolutely insane. I take it your US visa was denied or you were deported. The fact that an AFRICAN of all people would try to insult a developed country-ANY developed country-is crazy to me. You’re not decent enough to try to improve Nigeria. Like a selfish coward you run to suck from another country’s teat.

America doesn’t need its billionaires to do anything for its people. We have opportunity and means to do for ourselves. However, our wealthy people do spend millions putting people through school, building homes, schools, etc. Many even help out the continent of Africa (ex: Bill Gates & Oprah). What does Africa’s billionaires do except live large while everyone else lives in squalor?

. The fact that an AFRICAN of all people would try to insult a developed country-ANY developed country-is crazy to me. You’re not decent enough to try to improve Nigeria. Like a selfish coward you run to suck from another country’s teat.

there is something wrong and condescending about this comment
you have zero idea of the dynamics in Africa and why a good number of African countries remain underdeveloped (not all)

If you did you will not talk this way.