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BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by TMKsouth: 7:43am On Jun 26, 2020
PLEASE NOTE - This is an article from 1998 written by The New York Post. Attitudes in South Africa might have changed towards African-Americans in the past 2 decades as the country has witnessed a boom in the black middle-class and general upward economic mobility.


SHORTENED ARTICLE - April 1998

Charles T. Moses, raised in New York City and once Governer. Mario M. Cuomo's adviser for black affairs, lives these days in the northern suburbs of Johannesburg, eager to make a contribution to the new South Africa.

But like many African-Americans who come here, some with an almost missionary zeal, he has not always been received with open arms by black South Africans. For Mr. Moses, a recent Op-Ed article in an influential Johannesburg newspaper suggesting that black Americans were taking jobs that would otherwise go to black South Africans was the last straw.

''While black South Africans say African-Americans leave something to be desired, some African-Americans can offer similar comments,'' Mr. Moses wrote in The Sunday Independent, which published the article to which he was responding. ''Many of us have been lied to, misled and abused by our South African brothers and sisters, usually out of jealously and ignorance.''

While President Clinton's recent trip to Africa was aimed at focusing the world's attention on this continent, many black Americans turned their attention here long ago and in recent years have come to South Africa in the hope of helping to build a prosperous black nation.

After Mr. Moses' article, South Africa's Oprah Winfrey, Felicia Mabuza-Suttle, devoted two one-hour programs to the subject of tensions between black South Africans and black Americans, putting a spotlight on difficulties that have largely, until recently, just been whispered about.

The South Africans on her show, an academic and two business executives, pulled no punches. The Americans, they said, were patronizing, socialized among themselves and believed they were owed something because of their efforts to support anti-apartheid boycotts.

One of the panelists was Makaziwe Mandela, President Nelson Mandela's daughter and an executive with the state-owned rail company.

She said, ''a lot of South Africans see the black Americans as false affirmative action and there is some resentment for companies that do it.''

Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by TMKsouth: 7:43am On Jun 26, 2020
One especially sensitive point of contention is just how much credit the Americans deserve for bringing apartheid to an end. Mrs. Mabuza-Suttle interspersed her television program with taped interviews with some prominent black Americans, including one with the Rev. Leon Sullivan, who described with obvious pride his role in combating apartheid. Mr. Sullivan devised a set of principles in 1977 for American companies doing business in South Africa; in 1987 he called for corporate withdrawal and disinvestment.

When the tape had finished, a clearly agitated Ms. Mandela said she wanted to make it clear that it was not Americans who were responsible for the end of apartheid, but the children of Soweto who had died in countless demonstrations. The audience, made up largely of South Africans, cheered.

Another criticism of Americans is that while they may be here now, they have no real stake in the success of the country. On Mrs. Mabuza-Suttle's show, Dr. William Makgoba, a professor at Witwatersrand University, argued that Americans needed to leave South Africans alone to decide the future of the country because the South Africans were there for the long haul.

But many of the Americans say that the success of the new South Africa is actually a long-term commitment for them too.

''Where is the hope for us in America?'' Mr. Moses said. ''We will never be in charge. We will always be 10 percent. We will always be fighting to keep some cop from shooting us in the back. But here it's worth the battle. You can win this here

Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by donbachi(m): 7:47am On Jun 26, 2020
Blacks must learn to co- habit and co-exist with one another...for black lives to matter.

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Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by Minxie(f): 7:53am On Jun 26, 2020
I doubt it will be the same case now. Back then, black people knew very little about others so there was obviously resentment but now we have more knowledge and understanding. And considering that we are striving for the same goals more or less, African Americans will be welcomed in SA.

It will be interesting to see the two sides mix though. I've interacted with many African Americans in SA and they've been mostly open-minded. It will be interesting to see how the not so open-minded African Americans will be welcomed by the not so open-minded South Africans. Obviously there will always be these kind of people on both sides

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Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by YEBOmadiba: 8:15am On Jun 26, 2020
TMKsouth:
PLEASE NOTE - This is an article from 1998 written by The New York Post. Attitudes in South Africa might have changed towards African-Americans in the past 2 decades as the country has witnessed a boom in the black middle-class and general upward economic mobility.

Yep.

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Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by YEBOmadiba: 8:21am On Jun 26, 2020
Minxie:
I doubt it will be the same case now. Back then, black people knew very little about others so there was obviously resentment but now we have more knowledge and understanding. And considering that we are striving for the same goals more or less, African Americans will be welcomed in SA.

It will be interesting to see the two sides mix though. I've interacted with many African Americans in SA and they've been mostly open-minded. It will be interesting to see how the not so open-minded African Americans will be welcomed by the not so open-minded South Africans. Obviously there will always be these kind of people on both sides

There are already alot of them in SA and they are settling in fine. Many though complain about not being black enough, especially if they are mixed race. In America they are Black, in SA they are kallits. So some segregation continues on that level too.
Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by Minxie(f): 8:32am On Jun 26, 2020
YEBOmadiba:


There are already alot of them in SA and they are settling in fine. Many though complain about not being black enough, especially if they are mixed race. In America they are Black, in SA they are kallits. So some segregation continues on that level too.


Really? I didn't know they weren't seen as not black enough. But I do know that that is what sparked the term "coloured". During colonialism and apartheid most coloured people weren't really accepted by either side. Black people weren't oppressive or anything like that but they did draw a clear distinction between black and mixed. And the whites just called us bastards and exploited us.

Also, culturally coloured people and African Americans have a lot in common. This can often be understood to mean that we don't have a culture. Especially because it isn't written down in books or recorded by any means. I know that coloured people will be accommodating to African Americans because I can speak from experience so I can only give my opinion on that.

But I barely notice those who are here because they blend in so well Lol ! I have to listen to their accents first. But I would definitely welcome more African American investment and influence in SA.

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Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by YEBOmadiba: 8:39am On Jun 26, 2020
Minxie:


Really? I didn't know they weren't seen as not black enough. But I do know that that is what sparked the term "coloured". During colonialism and apartheid most coloured people weren't really accepted by either side. Black people weren't oppressive or anything like that but they did draw a clear distinction between black and mixed. And the whites just called us bastards and exploited us.

Also, culturally coloured people and African Americans have a lot in common. This can often be understood to mean that we don't have a culture. Especially because it isn't written down in books or recorded by any means. I know that coloured people will be accommodating to African Americans because I can speak from experience so I can only give my opinion on that.

But I barely notice those who are here because they blend in so well Lol ! I have to listen to their accents first. But I would definitely welcome more African American investment and influence in SA.

In America if u are mixed race you are Black, full stop. So when those who are mixed race arrive in SA there's an identity crisis because they are not black enough.

But even the darker ones still face some stigma because of the language issues and suspicion as illustrated by the OP. But they have the famous American culture as some currency that works in their favour. So I also think they will be better accommodated than foreigners from the rest of the continent. That's just the simple truth however off it seems.

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Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by YEBOmadiba: 8:43am On Jun 26, 2020
Minxie:


Also, culturally coloured people and African Americans have a lot in common. This can often be understood to mean that we don't have a culture. Especially because it isn't written down in books or recorded by any means. I know that coloured people will be accommodating to African Americans because I can speak from experience so I can only give my opinion on that.

grin grin
This could actually work in your favour in the long run. They could add numbers to the coloured population and thereby give you guys more political clout. You can finally be freed from the evil clutches of Helen Zille and the DA and form your own thing grin
Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by Minxie(f): 8:45am On Jun 26, 2020
YEBOmadiba:


In America if u are mixed race you are Black, full stop. So when those who are mixed race arrive in SA there's an identity crisis because they are not black enough.

But even the darker ones still face some stigma because of the language issues and suspicion as illustrated by the OP. But they have the famous American culture as some currency that works in their favour. So I also think they will be better accommodated than foreigners from the rest of the continent. That's just the simple truth however off it seems.

Good point. I guess they are more accepted in SA because people don't see them as competing for the same little resources. South Africans generally think African Americans are better off financially whereas they believe other Africans aren't. So I think that could be why they are more accommodating to African Americans. Plus the positive contributions by African Americans despite their challenges is something that most South Africans look up to.
These are just my theories though. I'm no expert

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Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by Minxie(f): 8:52am On Jun 26, 2020
YEBOmadiba:


grin grin
This could actually work in your favour in the long run. They could add numbers to the coloured population and thereby give you guys more political clout. You can finally be freed from the evil clutches of Helen Zille and the DA and form your own thing grin

Hahaha this DA is totally incapable of understanding the coloured situation. They completely lost it.

But it's true, we could use the numbers to outnumber the white vote and maybe start something else.

Anyway, i wouldn't want African Americans to move to SA. Not because I don't like them but because I think they have every right to be in America. It drives me crazy when people suggest that African Americans should return to Africa. Like they don't belong in America. I have no problem against their investment and influence but I think they are right for standing up for themselves in America rather than moving to another place where they will most likely again struggle to be recognized. I like the fact that they aren't running away and that they are claiming what also belongs to them.

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Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by YEBOmadiba: 8:56am On Jun 26, 2020
Minxie:


Good point. I guess they are more accepted in SA because people don't see them as competing for the same little resources. South Africans generally think African Americans are better off financially whereas they believe other Africans aren't. So I think that could be why they are more accommodating to African Americans. Plus the positive contributions by African Americans despite their challenges is something that most South Africans look up to.
These are just my theories though. I'm no expert

You shouldn't apologise for your thoughts, everyone counts. Plus you're right. Xenophobic attacks take place in poor neighborhoods for a reason - it's the fight for scarce resources. It's for that reason black middle class people and other races are less xenophobic. African-Americans are privileged in that regard because they are viewed as investors coming from a very wealthy country whereas other Africans come from poor countries.

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Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by YEBOmadiba: 9:00am On Jun 26, 2020
Minxie:


Hahaha this DA is totally incapable of understanding the coloured situation. They completely lost it.

But it's true, we could use the numbers to outnumber the white vote and maybe start something else.

Anyway, i wouldn't want African Americans to move to SA. Not because I don't like them but because I think they have every right to be in America. It drives me crazy when people suggest that African Americans should return to Africa. Like they don't belong in America. I have no problem against their investment and influence but I think they are right for standing up for themselves in America rather than moving to another place where they will most likely again struggle to be recognized. I like the fact that they aren't running away and that they are claiming what also belongs to them.

Excellent point. All Americans are immigrants so the blacks shouldn't be singled out. But some are just tired of fighting - it's been centuries of oppression. But then again freedom isnt easy or for free.

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Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by Minxie(f): 9:10am On Jun 26, 2020
YEBOmadiba:


You shouldn't apologise for your thoughts, everyone counts. Plus you're right. Xenophobic attacks take place in poor neighborhoods for a reason - it's the fight for scarce resources. It's for that reason black middle class people and other races are less xenophobic. African-Americans are privileged in that regard because they are viewed as investors coming from a very wealthy country whereas other Africans come from poor countries.

I always make sure to point out that I mean no harm by what I say because misunderstandings can easily arise... especially when people don't hear the tone in another person's voice grin people might just mistake my words to be insulting.

I think the xenophobia issue will settle once the inequality is settled in SA. As long as people compete for resources, they will always fight each other. (that's realism there...and I'm not even a realist Hahaha)

Yet, investing more in education would solve the problem. South Africans lack an understanding of the rest of Africa because we weren't taught about the rest of Africa. We assume if you come from Africa that you are competing for resources while we forget that people from other continents are also competing with us for resources. It's gonna take a massive educational intervention.

Also, i get from the forum that many Africans have little understanding of racism... African Americans can help in that regard by waking Africa up to the injustices suffered elsewhere in the world.

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Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by YEBOmadiba: 9:41am On Jun 26, 2020
Minxie:


I always make sure to point out that I mean no harm by what I say because misunderstandings can easily arise... especially when people don't hear the tone in another person's voice grin people might just mistake my words to be insulting.

I think the xenophobia issue will settle once the inequality is settled in SA. As long as people compete for resources, they will always fight each other. (that's realism there...and I'm not even a realist Hahaha)

Yet, investing more in education would solve the problem. South Africans lack an understanding of the rest of Africa because we weren't taught about the rest of Africa. We assume if you come from Africa that you are competing for resources while we forget that people from other continents are also competing with us for resources. It's gonna take a massive educational intervention.

Also, i get from the forum that many Africans have little understanding of racism... African Americans can help in that regard by waking Africa up to the injustices suffered elsewhere in the world.

Very true.

@bold, Talking about the rest of the world, I find that SA people also have qualms with Pakistanis in particular. Have u noticed this in Cape Town also? People always complain about Pakistani shops.
Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by Minxie(f): 9:48am On Jun 26, 2020
YEBOmadiba:


Very true.

@bold, Talking about the rest of the world, I find that SA people also have qualms with Pakistanis in particular. Have u noticed this in Cape Town also? People always complain about Pakistani shops.

I don't know much about that though... I know people complain about the standards of their shops like they complain about Chinese shops too. People often complain about expired goods, dirty shops and overall lack of good basic hygiene. Also obviously the cultural differences as they are more conservative than us and way more judgemental. that's what I've observed

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Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by Nobody: 9:50am On Jun 26, 2020
YEBOmadiba:


Very true.

@bold, Talking about the rest of the world, I find that SA people also have qualms with Pakistanis in particular. Have u noticed this in Cape Town also? People always complain about Pakistani shops.

Countries important people with critical skills, informal market should be left to local markets

Nigeria, kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, botswana etc all have legislation protecting local jobs

What good are Pakistanis bringin to the economy?
What good are nigerians bringin?
What are Zimbabweans bringing?
What are Tanzanians bringing?
What are Mozambicans bringing?

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Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by Minxie(f): 9:58am On Jun 26, 2020
Austine1213:


Countries important people with critical skills, informal market should be left to local markets

Nigeria, kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, botswana etc all have legislation protecting local jobs

What good are Pakistanis bringin to the economy?
What good are nigerians bringin?
What are Zimbabweans bringing?
What are Tanzanians bringing?
What are Mozambicans bringing?

yes I agree there needs to be better implementation of the immigration laws and procedures. We therefore need to hold government accountable. Africa as a continent needs to address the issue of massive migration and displacement. It shouldn't be necessary for people to escape their homes to do small trade in another country.
Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by Nobody: 10:00am On Jun 26, 2020
Minxie:


yes I agree there needs to be better implementation of the immigration laws and procedures. We therefore need to hold government accountable. Africa as a continent needs to address the issue of massive migration and displacement. It shouldn't be necessary for people to escape their homes to do small trade in another country.

#PutSouthAfricansFirst

Its on twitter growing strong

SA cannot allow anyone into the country at expense of poor south africans

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Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by Minxie(f): 10:47am On Jun 26, 2020
Austine1213:


#PutSouthAfricansFirst

Its on twitter growing strong

SA cannot allow anyone into the country at expense of poor south africans

I saw the tweets and people are right to want to put SA first. Working in China you can only do the job that you have a permit for. You can't even own a shop or something like that as a foreigner. If you work a part time job as a foreign student is China, it's against the law. You aren't allowed to do extra jobs either. Yet in SA, chinese citizens enjoy doing any type of work and business that they want.

The government needs to look into things like these. If they want to regulate small businesses for example, they have to regulate small foreign owned businesses too. BTW I rarely see health inspectors at those Pakistani shops where there are terrible health violations. There can't be two different sets of rules for locals and foreigners. Government needs to change its approach.

We can still pursue an African agenda while maintaining the rule of law. There's no need to overlook immigration laws and other bylaws all for the sake of this agenda. It's just creating more hostility.

Unfortunately the mere fact that South Africans suggest to be put first is taken to mean that we are xenophobic.
Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by YEBOmadiba: 10:51am On Jun 26, 2020
Minxie:


I don't know much about that though... I know people complain about the standards of their shops like they complain about Chinese shops too. People often complain about expired goods, dirty shops and overall lack of good basic hygiene. Also obviously the cultural differences as they are more conservative than us and way more judgemental. that's what I've observed

An orientation regime is needed in SA like we were chatting about the other time. There are just too many foreign cultures infiltrating SA society and causing tensions.

Just thinking, what are the negatives that African-Americans will bring to Africa in general ? West and East Coast gangs and pimping perhaps? grin grin
Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by Minxie(f): 11:02am On Jun 26, 2020
YEBOmadiba:


An orientation regime is needed in SA like we were chatting about the other time. There are just too many foreign cultures infiltrating SA society and causing tensions.

Just thinking, what are the negatives that African-Americans will bring to Africa in general ? West and East Coast gangs and pimping perhaps? grin grin

That orientation program should be introduced with the new immigration legislation. I think we should definitely accommodate refugees from conflict affected countries and they should undergo integration training while South Africans should undergo sensitivity training. Then I think we should allow a set of economic migrants but as long as permits are given before entering the country. That will avoid situations where foreigners find themselves destitute and jobless on the streets in SA. For example, a foreigner who already has a job upon entering the country will be less likely to venture into crime for survival than a foreigner who came to SA with very little information looking for some random job.

As for your other point:
Lol we already have that Hahahaha maybe more pimping... Lol but I doubt those small time gangs will leave their territory. Like the gangsters here in cape Town won't leave the country either. They won't stand a chance in the USA and vice versa. Lol can you imagine the combination though?
Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by YEBOmadiba: 11:38am On Jun 26, 2020
Minxie:


That orientation program should be introduced with the new immigration legislation. I think we should definitely accommodate refugees from conflict affected countries and they should undergo integration training while South Africans should undergo sensitivity training. Then I think we should allow a set of economic migrants but as long as permits are given before entering the country. That will avoid situations where foreigners find themselves destitute and jobless on the streets in SA. For example, a foreigner who already has a job upon entering the country will be less likely to venture into crime for survival than a foreigner who came to SA with very little information looking for some random job.

As for your other point:
Lol we already have that Hahahaha maybe more pimping... Lol but I doubt those small time gangs will leave their territory. Like the gangsters here in cape Town won't leave the country either. They won't stand a chance in the USA and vice versa. Lol can you imagine the combination though?

grin grin Yes, of course the gang thing is an over generalisation of African-Americans.

You make valid points about refugees and I doubt any South African will object to that. The ANC is to blame for this crisis for leaving the borders wide open and allowing corruption at home affairs and the police to flourish. As for South Africans undergoing sensitivity training, I think that would be still-born. Theyll feel you are putting the onus on them instead of on foreigners. Unless it's part of the curriculum at school - I don't see adults signing up.
Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by YEBOmadiba: 12:25pm On Jun 26, 2020
Minxie:


I saw the tweets and people are right to want to put SA first. Working in China you can only do the job that you have a permit for. You can't even own a shop or something like that as a foreigner. If you work a part time job as a foreign student is China, it's against the law. You aren't allowed to do extra jobs either. Yet in SA, chinese citizens enjoy doing any type of work and business that they want.

The government needs to look into things like these. If they want to regulate small businesses for example, they have to regulate small foreign owned businesses too. BTW I rarely see health inspectors at those Pakistani shops where there are terrible health violations. There can't be two different sets of rules for locals and foreigners. Government needs to change its approach.

We can still pursue an African agenda while maintaining the rule of law. There's no need to overlook immigration laws and other bylaws all for the sake of this agenda. It's just creating more hostility.

Unfortunately the mere fact that South Africans suggest to be put first is taken to mean that we are xenophobic.

Amen. cool
Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by molbic(m): 12:34pm On Jun 26, 2020
donbachi:
Blacks must learn to co- habit and co-exist with one another...for black lives to matter.
the way you guys are co-habiting in River State abi nonsense and ingredient
Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by NaijadrivaCars: 1:53pm On Jun 26, 2020
I thought Nairaland is for Nigerians only. What is TMKsouth and others doing here



Pls create your own xenophobialand dot com.

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Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by YEBOmadiba: 2:23pm On Jun 26, 2020
NaijadrivaCars:
I thought Nairaland is for Nigerians only. What is TMKsouth and others doing here

Pls create your own xenophobialand dot com.

ISN'T THIS ALSO XENOPHOBIA? angry
Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by Minxie(f): 3:13pm On Jun 26, 2020
YEBOmadiba:


ISN'T THIS ALSO XENOPHOBIA? angry

I think the word "xenophobia" has been used so much in this place that it has lost it's meaning. These days if I see a butterfly I call it xenophobic. Don't worry about this. I now just yawn when I see it.

As for the general immigration policy on the African continent, i think countries should look inwards and ask themselves why their citizens are out there in other countries fighting to survive. Governments should be ashamed of themselves.

What I hate most is that everyone advocates for a United Africa but when it comes to actual borders, they keep it tightly monitored. When South Africa attempts to keep it monitored, it's wrong. I wish I can pack my bags and just move to Nigeria for a while but unfortunately the process is exhausting and expensive. I have many business ideas that would thrive in Lagos but the admin is just too much.

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Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by YEBOmadiba: 3:23pm On Jun 26, 2020
Minxie:


I think the word "xenophobia" has been used so much in this place that it has lost it's meaning. [b]These days if I see a butterfly I call it xenophobic. [/b]Don't worry about this. I now just yawn when I see it.

As for the general immigration policy on the African continent, i think countries should look inwards and ask themselves why their citizens are out there in other countries fighting to survive. Governments should be ashamed of themselves.

What I hate most is that everyone advocates for a United Africa but when it comes to actual borders, they keep it tightly monitored. When South Africa attempts to keep it monitored, it's wrong. I wish I can pack my bags and just move to Nigeria for a while but unfortunately the process is exhausting and expensive. I have many business ideas that would thrive in Lagos but the admin is just too much.

grin grin U cracking me up! Just the sight of a butterfly is xenophobic to Nigerians. Everyone and their dog has that word on the tip of their tongues now.

Anyway, I wish u could open a business there in Nigeria, South African enterprise thrives there. You see the Nigerians are very lazy and their economy is buoyed by the white Lebanese and Chinese, their masters. Even loan institutions are calling the shots there - they have a borrow pay later government, begging for everything from pencils to toothpicks.

Nigerians are now slaves in their own country. Just look at this photo, if the Chinese left their economy will collapse.

Re: BLACKLIVESMATTER: Is This What Awaits African-americans Fleeing To South Africa? by Minxie(f): 3:33pm On Jun 26, 2020
YEBOmadiba:


grin grin U cracking me up! Just the sight of a butterfly is xenophobic to Nigerians. Everyone and the dog has their word on the tip of their tongues now.

Anyway, I wish u could open a business there in Nigeria, South African enterprise thrives there. You see the Nigerians are very lazy and their economy is buoyed by the white Lebanese and Chinese, their masters. Even loan institutions arr now calling the shots there - their government borrows everything from pencils to toothpicks.

Nigerians are now slaves in their own country. Just look at this photo, if the Chinese left their economy will collapse.

I won't call them lazy because I don't know their circumstances.
It is unfortunate that their government uses labour from China and Lebanon and wherever because I know many Nigerians are qualified to do those jobs. They must stand up to their government and demand answers to that problem. I think it's very disgusting that there are so many high paid expats when Nigeria has it's own citizens who are qualified in those fields.

What I mean with my business idea is that I have many small businesses ideas that have the potential to develop into bigger things. Especially in the tourism industry in Nigeria but I can't just access their market like a Nigerian can save money to open a small shop in SA. So our government needs to address this imbalance by either negotiating more access to their market or closing off access to our informal sector. It's only fair because an average South African doesn't have the means to open a business in Nigeria because it isn't legally allowed. Yet an average Nigerian can open an informal business in SA. So what I'm saying is that if Africa wants to unite, they can't expect unity to only come from one side. It takes an agreement that favors all parties and not just a few.

PS before people attack me for being xenophobic, i was pointing out situations on the ground by using Nigeria and South Africa as an example.

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