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Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by hedonido: 3:55pm On Jul 29, 2019
Iamgrey5:
Oga pseudo intelligence, the minister only suggested the best practice around the world.

An infrastructural bond is not a terrible idea if implementated well.

A bond is an instrument used by public liability companies and governments to source money from the public.

A 10 trillion infrastructure bond is not a bad idea, especially when Nigeria as a country does not have the financial muscles to fund its own infrastructural needs.
I'm not interested in what the idiot is suggesting. I'm interested in his FOUR YEAR SCORECARD. We're talking about an idiot that has been a minister already for four years. What is the measurable achievement gained under his watch?

Na me no sabi 'suggest' best practices abi? Give me a quarter of the ministerial perks (minus the fame) this Fashola idiot enjoys, and watch out for my own best practice recommendations. I'm not bragging.

You're not appointed a minister, superintending over billions of dollars (a chunk of which you divert to personal uses), and enjoying plenty siren blaring convoy, police protection, and the VIP status associated with the position, merely to offer very very banal 'suggestions' that any hungry, poorly remunerated research assistant/intellectual aide can prepare in a few hours and deliver to your table. It's annoying.

We can't afford to waste so much resources on these simpletons. We need outliers with superhuman ability. That's the only thing that can justify the kind of money we waste on servicing these useless ministers and other government appointees in this shithole country. Abeg I don vex.
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by solmusdesigns: 3:55pm On Jul 29, 2019
hedonido:
God bless you. That is one of our biggest problems. Ascribing competence to glib charlatans, even with zero results to show for it. Fashola is the poster boy for this nonsense. Na God go save us.
I think thats just the problem of fools asking god to bless dunce for spewing trash..

Nigerias only problem is How to fund our huge infrastructural deficit which fashola in his wisdom suggested a 10trn bond that any body can subscribe to, to many dull dunce thinks nigeria is rich and deserves isshh but fact and figures show our only meaningful export is 2.5mbp crude which IOC takes 40% while 60% is. Shared by Fg, 36 state and 774 local governments.... with 200million oil dependant people, yet we want to copy saudi with less.than 50m citizens on 11mbpd

..
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by Maket: 3:59pm On Jul 29, 2019
Richie0974:
Most people bashing Fashola didn't watch his screening, he knows what he's talking about.
just like me liking your post but grin didn't watch the screening
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by Reference(m): 4:04pm On Jul 29, 2019
I totally agree. 10 trillion is even not near enough to call it an investment, but two things will trigger my disapproval.

One, 10 trillion must be the bill of a business decision, the cost of a FID that has amongst its contents, a projected ROI within the shortest possible time. How many times has the government raised debt instruments only to lump it in the national debt without any tangible plan to repay. The infrastructure must be first, business oriented long before it is a social vehicle and far too long before it becomes a political donkey. So it is not a matter of pedantry geo politics but of strategy. The infrastructure invested in must yield raw cash in return first and not borne out of just a feel good, 'I have a road in my village ideology'.

Secondly it must be used as an instrument of economic recovery and economic development. Thus we need to completely re orient our economic ideology away from a consumer of goods and services to a producer of goods and services. If we donot, 10 trillion will become a millstone around our necks through runaway inflation. Infrastructure investing round the world is always a key economic stimulus tool except in Nigeria because we produce very little in the form of goods and services.

If all the rail lines and rolling stock will be produced in China and assembled in Nigeria by the Chinese then we are in trouble. If all the electrical components will be manufactured by Siemens AG and the power turbines made in the States by GE then all we will enjoy is capitsl flight. If all the dams, bridges and tunnels will be designed in the Czech republic and our perenial friends Julius Berger plc with their retinue of so called expatriates take home the lions share back to Europe we will only have our youth chase after them by sea while they fly overhead.

10 trillion is such a humongous amount that it should reach beyond providing infrastructure to reforming everything from our education sector to establishing industrial concerns such as steel, petrochemical and chemicals industries which are key drivers of development, the bricks and mortar of any country serious about moving forward.

I wholeheartedly support it but with serious caveats. We should think and talk first and very carefully before acting. It is as risky as the business of generating power from nuclear fusion.
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by rottennaija(m): 4:05pm On Jul 29, 2019
hisexcellency34:
I only hope that old nigga won't give him three key ministries to manage again..just make him minister of works. He knows nothing about Power
I believe you have no idea
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by Jones4190(m): 4:09pm On Jul 29, 2019
if that is the case, I will sell my share with access bank and invest my my money through federation bond. the interest is more than shares and far better than fixed deposits, the interest is paid every three month with no tax attach to it.
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by realstars: 4:10pm On Jul 29, 2019
AbuuBilaal:
Housing projects have never stopped going on nation wide. Unfortunately, it's your kinsmen usurping my share and your kinsmen usurping your share since democracy.
That means we all are busy grooming bunch of thieves to oversee our economy. So sad!
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by AreaFada2: 4:19pm On Jul 29, 2019
GOFRONT:
cheesy

Some politicians would "No money, No money"...... So where is this N10tr going to come from??
He said from bond. Me and you can invest in the bond. From just 1000 Naira.

Countries have used bond sale to finance wars, infrastructure from at least time of Napoleonic war.

The problem is that it is just borrowed money repayable with interest, only with a different name and who's to say they won't loot it like they have done till now?
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by farem: 4:19pm On Jul 29, 2019
hisexcellency34:
I only hope that old nigga won't give him three key ministries to manage again..just make him minister of works. He knows nothing about Power
You know nothing of what you just spewed!

How does a lawyer know anything about Power, you lot want to posit, yet you insist a lawyer knows about civil construction.
Without adequate funding, things remain on papers.
Please get that to disabuse your opinionated conclusions
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by AreaFada2: 4:27pm On Jul 29, 2019
solmusdesigns:
I think thats just the problem of fools asking god to bless dunce for spewing trash..

Nigerias only problem is How to fund our huge infrastructural deficit which fashola in his wisdom suggested a 10trn bond that any body can subscribe to, to many dull dunce thinks nigeria is rich and deserves isshh but fact and figures show our only meaningful export is 2.5mbp crude which IOC takes 40% while 60% is. Shared by Fg, 36 state and 774 local governments.... with 200million oil dependant people, yet we want to copy saudi with less.than 50m citizens on 11mbpd

..
I have always said Nigeria is a poor country but people refuse to hear. With Nigerian population anything below 10m barrel per day is nothing. Never mind looting. Wealth is not even oil and gas these days. It is a highly educated, highly productive and innovative human resource.

What Nigeria has is potential wealth if harnessed properly. Ortega had bucketloads of potential but he never became Maradona of his generation.
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by RexTramadol1: 4:27pm On Jul 29, 2019
Iamgrey5:
Oga pseudo intelligence, the minister only suggested the best practice around the world.

An infrastructural bond is not a terrible idea if implementated well.

A bond is an instrument used by public liability companies and governments to source money from the public.

A 10 trillion infrastructure bond is not a bad idea, especially when Nigeria as a country does not have the financial muscles to fund its own infrastructural needs.
The one wey no be bond sef, heartless politicians they swallow am without mercy



Now if citizens give 1k each as bond for infrastructural arrangement



Na same way snake go swallow everything!



We never even see wetin our tax dey do
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by Nobody: 4:28pm On Jul 29, 2019
realstars:
Do I here you say housing project going on in 34 out of 36 States?
Please Mr honorable minister which kind lie be this?
Remember you had 3 ministry and you fails the 3 without Macy.
Oga go to his twitter page, all d answer u need is there(with pictures)
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by Iamgrey5(m): 4:33pm On Jul 29, 2019
RexTramadol1:
The one wey no be bond sef, heartless politicians they swallow am without mercy



Now if citizens give 1k each as bond for infrastructural arrangement



Na same way snake go swallow everything!



We never even see wetin our tax dey do
I am aware of the issues you have raised but this not not an entirely a bad idea.
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by Skepticus: 4:33pm On Jul 29, 2019
Reference:
I totally agree. 10 trillion is even not near enough to call it an investment, but two things will trigger my disapproval.

One, 10 trillion must be the bill of a business decision, the cost of a FID that has amongst its contents, a projected ROI within the shortest possible time. How many times has the government raised debt instruments only to lump it in the national debt without any tangible plan to repay. The infrastructure must be first, business oriented long before it is a social vehicle and far too long before it becomes a political donkey. So it is not a matter of pedantry geo politics but of strategy. The infrastructure invested in must yield raw cash in return first and not borne out of just a feel good, 'I have a road in my village ideology'.

Secondly it must be used as an instrument of economic recovery and economic development. Thus we need to completely re orient our economic ideology away from a consumer of goods and services to a producer of goods and services. If we donot, 10 trillion will become a millstone around our necks through runaway inflation. Infrastructure investing round the world is always a key economic stimulus tool except in Nigeria because we produce very little in the form of goods and services.

If all the rail lines and rolling stock will be produced in China and assembled in Nigeria by the Chinese then we are in trouble. If all the electrical components will be manufactured by Siemens AG and the power turbines made in the States by GE then all we will enjoy is capitsl flight. If all the dams, bridges and tunnels will be designed in the Czech republic and our perenial friends Julius Berger plc with their retinue of so called expatriates take home the lions share back to Europe we will only have our youth chase after them by sea while they fly overhead.

10 trillion is such a humongous amount that it should reach beyond providing infrastructure to reforming everything from our education sector to establishing industrial concerns such as steel, petrochemical and chemicals industries which are key drivers of development, the bricks and mortar of any country serious about moving forward.

I wholeheartedly support it but with serious caveats. We should think and talk first and very carefully before acting. It is as risky as the business of generating power from nuclear fusion.
You know the real disaster:

Government would see your suggestions and ignore, employing the same old tactics of cronyism that never worked and we are back to square one.
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by unite4real: 4:37pm On Jul 29, 2019
GOFRONT:
cheesy

Some politicians would "No money, No money"...... So where is this N10tr going to come from??
From the public. That's why its a bond
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by Nemesis909: 4:39pm On Jul 29, 2019
TSRC:
And being a buhari supporter has made your life better than the guy you quoted.
By far.
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by Iamgrey5(m):
hedonido:
I'm not interested in what the idiot is suggesting. I'm interested in his FOUR YEAR SCORECARD. We're talking about an idiot that has been a minister already for four years. What is the measurable achievement gained under his watch?

Na me no sabi 'suggest' best practices abi? Give me a quarter of the ministerial perks (minus the fame) this Fashola idiot enjoys, and watch out for my own best practice recommendations. I'm not bragging.

You're not appointed a minister, superintending over billions of dollars (a chunk of which you divert to personal uses), and enjoying plenty siren blaring convoy, police protection, and the VIP status associated with the position, merely to offer very very banal 'suggestions' that any hungry, poorly remunerated research assistant/intellectual aide can prepare in a few hours and deliver to your table. It's annoying.

We can't afford to waste so much resources on these simpletons. We need outliers with superhuman ability. That's the only thing that can justify the kind of money we waste on servicing these useless ministers and other government appointees in this shithole country. Abeg I don vex.
@ emboldened

Were you the one that gave him over a billion of dollars to deliver this projects?

The minister said his ministry and abilities to deliver were hindered by lack of funds and suggested ways Nigeria as country can solve the problem of lack of funds with regards to his ministry.


Yet, without any counter suggestions, you went on rampage insulting the minister and his suggestions like you had better groundbreaking ideas.

Remember! You don't have to like everyone, but you don't have to disagree with everyone you don't like just for the sake of it.

It makes you appear irrational.
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by nurex01(m): 4:43pm On Jul 29, 2019
Well, in my area no light for the past four weeks. We all depend on generator.
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by christinme224(m): 4:48pm On Jul 29, 2019
realstars:
Do I here you say housing project going on in 34 out of 36 States?
Please Mr honorable minister which kind lie be this?
Remember you had 3 ministry and you fails the 3 without Macy.
Lol when you mention your state now, they will say that your state is among the 2 state that they have not commence the housing project...he have said 34.....if even 10persons from each state come and protest that their state is not beneficiaries, fashola will not direct his claims to a state in Cameroon
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by hedonido: 4:49pm On Jul 29, 2019
Iamgrey5:
a emboldened

Where you the one that gave him over a billion of dollars?

The minister said his ministry and abilities to deliver were hindered by lack of fund and suggested ways Nigeria as country could solve the problem of lack of funds with regards to his ministry. Yet without any counter suggestions, you went on rampage insulting the minister and his suggestions like you have better solutions.

Remember! You don't have to like everyone, but you don't have disagree with everyone you don't like just for the sake of it.

it makes you appear irrational.
Ogbeni, just get lost. I'm not an asslicker like you. I don't give a Bleep about political correctness and 'civility', especially when things are going haywire.

If your empty hero Fashola has nothing but excuses, why is he still there speaking stupid English and trying to be minister again? Why not quit and allow someone else do the job? If he needs a bla bla bla trillion infrastructure bond to perform, and the so-called bond isn't forthcoming, then why is he still there? What is he doing there?

There are people who can deliver results even with the 'meagre' resources available now. Why are we not trying to locate such people and give them the opportunity to maximise available resources, eliminate wastage, optimise resource allocation, and deliver for the good of the motherfucking country? Must it be Fashola and his daddy Buhari and the useless APC government who have nothing but EXCUSES?

Abeg don't quote me again because you clearly have nothing reasonable to say. Nonsense.
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by Iamgrey5(m): 4:55pm On Jul 29, 2019
hedonido:
Ogbeni, just get lost. I'm not an asslicker like you. I don't give a Bleep about political correctness and 'civility', especially when things are going haywire.

If your empty hero Fashola has nothing but excuses, why is he still there speaking stupid English and trying to be minister again? Why not quit and allow someone else do the job? If he needs a bla bla bla trillion infrastructure bond to perform, and the so-called bond isn't forthcoming, then why is he still there? What is he doing there?

There are people who can deliver results even with the 'meagre' resources available now. Why are we not trying to locate such people and give them the opportunity to maximise available resources, eliminate wastage, optimise resource allocation, and deliver for the good of the motherfucking country? Must it be Fashola and his daddy Buhari and the useless APC government who have nothing but EXCUSES?

Abeg don't quote me again because you clearly have nothing reasonable to say. Nonsense.
Still going on a rampage without saying anything in particular.

Fyi; I never asked you to asslick anyone, I only gave you a lesson on constructive criticism. i.e if you are going to condemn an idea, at least have a better suggestion to the Idea given.

You can't just dismiss an Idea because you hate the person who gave the Idea.
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by bigpicture001: 4:55pm On Jul 29, 2019
We should give u bond so u can continue to develop south west alone. Nd maybe giv d remaining to tinubu
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by glowingflame7: 4:57pm On Jul 29, 2019
hisexcellency34:
I only hope that old nigga won't give him three key ministries to manage again..just make him minister of works. He knows nothing about Power
Knows nothing about power ke? He just masterminded the signing of a roadmap to 11000MW with GERMANY. That's a very incredible achievement in the past 20years of government.
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by saajus: 4:59pm On Jul 29, 2019
You are very right. Greed is a bad disease. Raise 10Trn Bond, 6/7Trn will be stolen. Then, what's the essence. Remember, Govt will keep paying back the bond investors. Corruption is a great problem.

Jaqenhghar:
Even if you empty the entire swiss coffers into Niggeria ot will never be enough
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by kunmiiii: 5:01pm On Jul 29, 2019
Iamgrey5:
@ emboldened

Where you the one that gave him over a billion of dollars to deliver this projects?

The minister said his ministry and abilities to deliver were hindered by lack of funds and suggested ways Nigeria as country can solve the problem of lack of funds with regards to his ministry.


Yet, without any counter suggestions, you went on rampage insulting the minister and his suggestions like you had better groundbreaking ideas.

Remember! You don't have to like everyone, but you don't have to disagree with everyone you don't like just for the sake of it.

It makes you appear irrational.
Gbam! I was about to quote him with a near exact replica of your response, before I saw this and it would have been unneeded giving him a mention, you can easily tell between constructive criticisms and unnatural reproach he clearly has against him for whatever reason best known to him.

With the infrastructure decay that has riddled the nation for decades, Fashola's consideration on the matter is well thought out, and the only reasonable solution Nigeria can afford and contend with at the moment, but loathsome characters won't comprehend simply because they believe he doesn't worth the hype.
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by Topaz08(m): 6:48pm On Jul 29, 2019
Fasola, Baba Agba. God bless Nigeria.

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Tell: 07030606959
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by Nobody: 7:54pm On Jul 29, 2019
Igbokid:
Hello to Atiku
Any problem?
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by Sewgon79(m): 8:05pm On Jul 29, 2019
Tina26:
The debt this fool left in lasg is still there. Yet he wants more
Which debt. He is one of the best governor Lagos ever produce. Just that he is good in management rather than ministerial post. Like him being PRESIDENT, seriously he will perform better
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by tevanso(m): 8:09pm On Jul 29, 2019
realstars:
Do I here you say housing project going on in 34 out of 36 States?
Please Mr honorable minister which kind lie be this?
Remember you had 3 ministry and you fails the 3 without Macy.
even you failed English
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by sterlingD(m): 9:14pm On Jul 29, 2019
hedonido:
Sophistry as usual. That's all this glib, 'eloquent' Senior Advocate of Darkness and Incompetence knows.

Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by GIFTD: 10:19pm On Jul 29, 2019
That's the trademark of Nigerian politicians
TSRC:
The rocket science minister that talks a lot of game but with poor effectiveness.
Re: Ministerial Screening: Fashola Advocates N10tr Infrastructure Bond by 4Play(m):
I resent this facile notion that Nigeria's infrastructural deficits, ipso facto, justifies government borrowing. I wish it were that simple but borrowing has to be sustainable, otherwise, the cost of borrowing will offset any economic gains from infrastructure investment.

You can't simply just spend your way to economic development at any cost when most of your tax revenue goes toward debt-servicing as this Bloomberg exceprt highlights:

While Nigeria’s ratio of debt-to-gross-domestic product is low relative to other governments at about 25 percent, its small tax base means interest costs as a proportion of revenue are high. The federal government’s interest payments-to-revenue more than doubled to 60 percent last year from 27 percent in 2014, according to the International Monetary Fund. The figure is on course to rise to 82 percent by 2022, which the Washington-based lender says is “unsustainable.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-19/nigeria-seeks-concessional-loans-over-bonds-as-debt-costs-rise

Think of the interest payments for a N10 trillion bond juxtaposed against the narrow fiscal space afforded by our current debt-service to revenues ratio. If financed from the local debt market, you are looking at an extra N1 trillion to N1.5 trillion per year in debt servicing (that's just being conservative) assuming 10 to 15 percent interest rate.

The solution to our infrastructure problems needs to be a bit more radical encompassing privatization of a lot of present government enterprises (NNPC and the ports come to mind) to raise revenue, an embrace of the public-private partnerships to shift some of the financial burden of infrastructure investments to the private sector, abolition of the multiple exchange rates to encourage FDI, e.t.c.

Proposing a significant of government debt at this point betrays a lack of serious reflection.
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