₦airaland Forum

Nowenuse:
Pls are these really distinct tribes in Benue or are they related to Idomas? What LGA are they found?

Deadlytruth:
Truth appears like hate to the typical Nigerian who naturally loves to wallow in lies and make belief.

The phantom similarities between Edo and Yorubas doesn't make Edos Yorubas any more than the similarities between some other separate tribes make them same as each other.

A community called Omoku in Rivers State have their monarch described as oba I guess that makes them Yorubas? In fact only the Binis have Oba and they alone don't make up Edo State. In other parts of the state their monarchs are not called Oba but appelations like Imah, Otaru, Ukpilagbe, etc. Even the Benin monarchs were originally called Ogisos and not Obas.

Language fusion and spelling similarities also abound between Igbo and Yoruba Languages for which I have already given copious examples. The Ooni of Ife recently declared that Igbos were once indigenous to Ife. But hypocrites like you overlook all that and begin to fabricate phantom cultural affinities between Edos and Yorubas. Edo State is a heterogenous mix of different tribes, so how does it even make sense for anyone to claim that Yorubas are related to all of them?

You are the one who should stop all these revisionist tales because they have taken you nowhere. Leave Edo State people to be who they say they are. It is not by force to belong to you.
Your actual brothers are trapped in Northern states like Kogi and Kwara and have been crying to get reunited with their kit and kins in the SW but you ignore them totally and keep dragging Edo with whom you really have no cultural links. Why this attache by force? Why?

Mynd44:
Number 200

Kanuri not Kanufi

Add Kogi state to Igbo

And Edo to Yoruba

MelesZenawi:
Oba has a meaning in Igbo, They even have Ezeoba and they know what it stands for.


But the case of Edo/Yoruba, young man , calm down and foster must United front between u two.

If you virtually attack everyone around u, who are u going to run in times of hard times.

Stop trying to sound politically correct, an average Yoruba guy sees an Edo person as a close brother and vice versa. Your campaign should be of consolidation between the two not separating. Be wise Edos and Yorubas share so much in common.

Be wise.

Deadlytruth:
This has nothing to do with political correctness but the truth. Perception and reality are two different things. You seem unaware of the numerous threads here in which different and indeed all Edo monickers have consistently denounced the theory of Edos' sameness with Yorubas. Contrary to your claim the average Yoruba is even more likely to view Edo as Igbo albeit erroneously. In my neighborhood in Lagos the Yorubas there term me Omo-Igbo regardless of the countless number of times I have told them I am Edo not Igbo. In fact on one occasion, my boss' wife, an Ijebu woman, told me to my face that beyond Ondo State Eastwards, they see all of us as Igbos and will continue to do so regardless of how much we claim we are not. There was an instance of me having a misunderstanding with a Yoruba guy in the same neighborhood, and his fellow Yorubas tried to settle it. After narrating my version in English, the Yoruba guy began to narrate his in Yoruba. For the fact that I don't understand Yoruba, I demanded that he spoke in English. Immediately the panel of judges said 'Okay you are Igbo'. I replied, "No I am Edo'. Then the next thing they said was, "You are all the same". And that was what how I just walked away.

So I don't know where you conjured this your perception from that an average Yoruba sees an Edo person as a brother. In fact whenever push comes to shove, the average Yoruba person lays it bare that Edos aren't related to them. At best they would say we are adopted or even fake Yorubas. I have experienced it personally. In the Old Western Region they labelled our representatives as 'kobokobo' meaning a people whose languages were unintelligible to them and their cultures and value systems altogether strange.

I am not hating on anyone but just saying it exactly as it actually is. I have no use for political correctness.
We only sometimes share political ideology with Yorubas because we see them as more realistic and pragmatic in politics than other Southern tribes who rather delude themselves with one-Nigeria ideology despite the preponderance of evidence to the contrary and its attendant bitter lessons.

MelesZenawi:
last paragraph overlooked and neglected.

Haaa, no wahala after Edo by extension now welcome to Igbo nation at least crowd na strength... welcome to Igbo nation after your Edo..

Make I go find one better Igbo name give you something like Osagie Chibuzo Oshiomhole Osivue...........


I done try construct a name now now

babyfaceafrica:
ebira(Edo)?..ebira
akoko-edo......(Edo)

Deadlytruth:
There is no falsehood in the last paragraph of my penultimate post. Are Yorubas the Southern tribe known for inventing the one-Nigeria doctrine? A big no! Not even the Hausafulani either.

Our rejection of the Yoruba tag doesn't mean a gravitation to Igboness. We are just what we are. It is not a must for us to belong to either side. The perception that we must choose one between Yoruba and Igbo is a vestige of the WAZOBIA mentality which has become history.

Nowenuse:
You and Ceaser500 need to know that Gombe was formerly part of Bauchi and this list was created before the 1996 state creation.

Revolva:
Ebu guy

a he gbo ...a he le

Ugbe e kulo efu ebu

U see dat ebu n ibaji speak d same dialect of igala

We r all one

Deadlytruth:
Your ignorance of the Oshuku generic appelation doesn't detract from its factuality. All what you wrote above are the lies which have been repeated for ages and have therefore worn an appearance of the truth. The mere fact that you can't see that the Oshuku's indegeous to Cross River State are not classified as Egbura, Egbira and whatever you call it means that you are wrong is a clear indication that it is you who have comprehension problem. Even the Ebira guy you mentioned above has, in obvious acknowledgedment of his ignorance in face of superior argument and historical accounts, surrendered for more education by releasing his WhatsApp number for a chat yet you a complete outsider has come around pontificating on that. What a hypocrisy!
You yourself have always been on NL trying to make clarifications on the differences between the Hausafulanis and the Middle Belters to which you belong despite the average Southern sees all of you as one and the same. If we are therefore to go by your reasoning, then I too can conclude that as long as most Hausafulanis claim that all of you Northern Nigerians do actually speak Hausa Language, then you are a Hausafulani.
It is rather disingenuous of you to bring the issue of speaking the same Language into this discuss as if that has anything to do with the bone of contention which is the fact that Ebiras have been trying, albeit fruitlessly, to impose their own identity on the others. A honest interloper would have asked for more education on the Oshuku appelation rather than dismiss it just because he has never heard of it.
Does the mere fact that Egbas, Yewas, Ekitis, etc all speak Yoruba make all of them Ijebus?
Even the Ebiras themselves know of the Oshuku appelation hence none of them has denied it here. It is the main inscription even on the emblem they themselves designed for their so called Ebira vonya movement. So I don't even think you are honest for claiming you have never heard of it.
Isn't it funny that you, as a complete outsider, are the one trying to tell a people who they are? Why then do you fret here when others classify you as a Hausafulani by virtue of the fact that you are from the Northern part of the country? Please you have no business on this Oshuku issue hence you will do well to keep yourself out of it.

Revolva:
That is true bro that is why I told you that not all igalas have the same origin southern igalas don't have such origins ok

Even in idah there is a community whose origin are from Kano also but not all community o it's just few o and we igalas know them

abusurv:
Igarra and Ebira are the same their language are similar and they originates from the same empire only difference in tongue and pronouncements of some words.We refer to them as Ebira ethno,just like we call the Ebira from kotokarfi as Ebira koto and nasarawa as Ebira Toto.

Naajjii:
Don't even deceive yourselves. The real original Igala are Akpotos who are the northern Igalas. They share culture with Egbura in Kogi and Nassarawa and also the Agatu and Idomas as well as Jukuns etc. The Original home and seat of power of Igalas was at Omagedde at the bank of River Benue bordering nassarawa and Benue not Idah. Some Igala people and the kings later migrated to the South (Idah),it was at Idah they had interaction with Edo people , Igbo people and other southerners. Igbo only have relationship with those Igalas at the border with igbo not the main Igalas in the north. Most Igalas see those igalas with Igbo relationship as inferior and look down on them because they see igbo as slaves and bad people. You need to go and understand all Igala people not just those Igala that have border with Igbo. Go and ask of Akpoto Igala , who are the original Igalas they don't share any relationship with Igbo.

Mynd44:
Number 200

Kanuri not Kanufi

Add Kogi state to Igbo

And Edo to Yoruba

Nowenuse:
Revolva, come and say something about this.

As for you 'my 3rd class caliphate citizen friend'

It is very common for the people of an ethnic group at the boundary with others to behave or be somewhat similar to their neighbours than even with people from the hinterlands of their cultures especially when these neighbours of theirs are very influential.

Yorubas from northern Oyo/Kwara for instance are very different from those from Ondo. Many yoruba groups from Ondo have strong Edo influence in cultures and even in their looks. Many Ondo yorubas are naturally lightskinned (not bleached oo), just like many Edo people are. This is something you hardly find among northern yorubas.

When you look at northern Igbos (Nsukkas, Nkanus and Ebonyi groups) for instance, they share a lot of similarities with the Igalas/Idomas. Igbos in Delta/Onitsha share so much with Edos. Igbos in Southern Abia (Arochukwu) share so much with Ibibios. It is always like this.

Even in my small Pyem tribe in Plateau state for instance, my mother's side for example share boundary and live side by side with Mwaghavul communities. My mother's family name as well as many in that area are Mwaghavul. Many of them there also speak the language fluently. They can easily claim to be from the other tribe and people may not easily notice.

This does not give people from the hinterlands or another edge of the tribe to call those from another end inferior tribesmen. It is stupidity.

Naajjii:
Don't even deceive yourselves. The real original Igala are Akpotos who are the northern Igalas. They share culture with Egbura in Kogi and Nassarawa and also the Agatu and Idomas as well as Jukuns etc. The Original home and seat of power of Igalas was at Omagedde at the bank of River Benue bordering nassarawa and Benue not Idah. Some Igala people and the kings later migrated to the South (Idah),it was at Idah they had interaction with Edo people , Igbo people and other southerners. Igbo only have relationship with those Igalas at the border with igbo not the main Igalas in the north. Most Igalas see those igalas with Igbo relationship as inferior and look down on them because they see igbo as slaves and bad people. You need to go and understand all Igala people not just those Igala that have border with Igbo. Go and ask of Akpoto Igala , who are the original Igalas they don't share any relationship with Igbo.

Nowenuse:
Ok, but why do northern Igalas discriminate against you Southern Igalas and you guys do absolutely nothing about it?

Deadlytruth:
You are an ignoramus of gargantuan proportions. Etsakos were a clan in the ancient Benin Kingdom who had to migrate out of it in protest of harsh treatment meted out to them by the reigning king at that period. No Edo people are of Nupe Origin. Cut that dirty crap.
In one line you claim Afemais are of Nupe origin. In another line you claim that their being captured as slaves by Nupes led to the introduction of Nupe names to them.
How could Nupe names have to later be introduced to a people who were supposedly already of Nupe origin from the beginning? Can't you see that your stories are not adding up?
You think the name "Afemai" actually defines every ethnicity in Edo North? It is actually an Etsako appellation but loosely applied to the Senatorial District just for political expediency. Edo North is not an ethnically homogeneous area at all.
Stop peddling ignorance.
Another evidence of your ignorance is the claim that the spread of Islam ended in Agbede. There are actually indegeous moslems in Ewu which is further south of Agbede. Mr. Man, you know nothing about Edo State. I will advise you to keep off issues concerning the place so you won't continue to embarrass yourself in a public forum.

Nowenuse:
You are actually someone who is naturally full of bitterness and hatred. So you need to actually work on yourself if you will progress in life.

First of all, I guess I shouldn't have used the word 'many', perhaps just 'some'. I never said all Edo people have nupe ancestry, but I said there are many Edo people who do. This includes my in-law and her clan. She is from South Ibie, from the Azellamah family. They are of Nupe origin as well as many others. The caliphate through mostly the Nupes and fewer Hausa-fulanis brought islam to Edo north.

Almost all the tribes of Edo north actually came from Benin kingdom, I never disputed that with you! The fact that a tribe descends from somewhere does not mean that centuries after, everyone in that tribe still has that ancestry. More people from different places could have settled with that tribe and integrated. This is where I am coming from. The person I quoted with my comment was talking about how many Edo people answer Nupe names and I came in, yet you just choose to rush in with bitterness without understanding where I am coming from.

Revolva:

As for you 'my 3rd class caliphate citizen friend' grin



Bro I beg your pardon

Don't ever call me a caliphate citizen

You are even from plateau state and have this bigotry attitude imagine I tought you were Igbo

Look it's everywhere in Nigeria some igbos look down on some igbos ebonyi m some part of enugu and some yorubas look down on ilajes and egun

So if northern akpoto igalas who they say are the real igalas which I don't and cannot verify are looking down on ibaji or olamaboro people it's is their own problem




We are all igalas it's when politrick came in all these look down thing will manifest and that is the way Nigeria is politics have divided everyone

But for an igala man not to cherish his fellow igalan it's a big lie we all dine together

I have never been discriminated as an igala before ooo I am telling you

Every igala has his own personal agenda ok

MelesZenawi:
And your agenda is to annex Igbo land right?

Aka bikwa gi na Ani...

Revolva:
Annex Igbo take do wetin

You must be out of your gar Damm mind

Deadlytruth:
You are an ignoramus of gargantuan proportions. Etsakos were a clan in the ancient Benin Kingdom who had to migrate out of it in protest of harsh treatment meted out to them by the reigning king at that period. No Edo people are of Nupe Origin. Cut that dirty crap.
In one line you claim Afemais are of Nupe origin. In another line you claim that their being captured as slaves by Nupes led to the introduction of Nupe names to them.
How could Nupe names have to later be introduced to a people who were supposedly already of Nupe origin from the beginning? Can't you see that your stories are not adding up?
You think the name "Afemai" actually defines every ethnicity in Edo North? It is actually an Etsako appellation but loosely applied to the Senatorial District just for political expediency. Edo North is not an ethnically homogeneous area at all.
Stop peddling ignorance.
Another evidence of your ignorance is the claim that the spread of Islam ended in Agbede. There are actually indegeous moslems in Ewu which is further south of Agbede. Mr. Man, you know nothing about Edo State. I will advise you to keep off issues concerning the place so you won't continue to embarrass yourself in a public forum.

Nowenuse:
You are actually someone who is naturally full of bitterness and hatred. So you need to actually work on yourself if you will progress in life.

First of all, I guess I shouldn't have used the word 'many', perhaps just 'some'. I never said all Edo people have nupe ancestry, but I said there are many Edo people who do. This includes my in-law and her clan. She is from South Ibie, from the Azellamah family. They are of Nupe origin as well as many others. The caliphate through mostly the Nupes and fewer Hausa-fulanis brought islam to Edo north.

Almost all the tribes of Edo north actually came from Benin kingdom, I never disputed that with you! The fact that a tribe descends from somewhere does not mean that centuries after, everyone in that tribe still has that ancestry. More people from different places could have settled with that tribe and integrated. This is where I am coming from. The person I quoted with my comment was talking about how many Edo people answer Nupe names and I came in, yet you just choose to rush in with bitterness without understanding where I am coming from.

MelesZenawi:
Agenda failed

God has exposed ur plans


Next

Revolva:

As for you 'my 3rd class caliphate citizen friend' grin



Bro I beg your pardon

Don't ever call me a caliphate citizen

You are even from plateau state and have this bigotry attitude imagine I tought you were Igbo

Look it's everywhere in Nigeria some igbos look down on some igbos ebonyi m some part of enugu and some yorubas look down on ilajes and egun

So if northern akpoto igalas who they say are the real igalas which I don't and cannot verify are looking down on ibaji or olamaboro people it's is their own problem




We are all igalas it's when politrick came in all these look down thing will manifest and that is the way Nigeria is politics have divided everyone

But for an igala man not to cherish his fellow igalan it's a big lie we all dine together

I have never been discriminated as an igala before ooo I am telling you

Every igala has his own personal agenda ok

Nowenuse:
No bro, please I wasn't addressing you when I said 3rd class caliphate citizen. I was talking to Naajjii, the person I quoted. He claims to be from the middlebelt, but he is a very very strong fulani apologist.

You are very correct. People within the same tribes look down on each other all over the world. The only problem I have with this in the case of the Igalas is religion. You know majority of northern Igalas are muslims while southern Igalas are overwhelmingly muslims.
You hardly find christian northern Igalas talking down on southern Igalas, it is mostly the muslim northern Igalas.

DeOTR:
Well it's true, but Tula is not a tribe, it's a Tangale town.
Also, Owe, Yagba, Okun and Bunu in Kogi state are being listed as separate ethnicity from Yoruba.
Owe is the dialect of Bunu people if I'm not mistaken. The two was listed separately.
The list is over bloated by including different dialects that should have been parts of larger groups and even including names of towns and villages in some cases.
Since Kogi state was included as one of the states where we can find Yoruba people, then Owe, Yagba, Okun, and Bunu should not be on the list.

Nowenuse:
True, the yoruba dialects of Kogi shouldn't be classified as distinct tribes.

As for Tula, check again, I think they are considered different from Tangales even though they may be related.

Olril18:
my nairaland favorite poster...did u study history in sch?

Olril18:
I like reading your posts cos its usually informative.
but the hate in them is usually too much..

Nowenuse:
You are actually someone who is naturally full of bitterness and hatred. So you need to actually work on yourself if you will progress in life.

First of all, I guess I shouldn't have used the word 'many', perhaps just 'some'. I never said all Edo people have nupe ancestry, but I said there are many Edo people who do. This includes my in-law and her clan. She is from South Ibie, from the Azellamah family. They are of Nupe origin as well as many others. The caliphate through mostly the Nupes and fewer Hausa-fulanis brought islam to Edo north.

Almost all the tribes of Edo north actually came from Benin kingdom, I never disputed that with you! The fact that a tribe descends from somewhere does not mean that centuries after, everyone in that tribe still has that ancestry. More people from different places could have settled with that tribe and integrated. This is where I am coming from. The person I quoted with my comment was talking about how many Edo people answer Nupe names and I came in, yet you just choose to rush in with bitterness without understanding where I am coming from.