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Okupe is the wrong mouth to lecture us on this topic. When he was in Aso Governors walk in and out ....in fact militants from Otueke go to Aso to sip ogogoro with Jonathan on a spontaneous notice. Peter Obi spent more time seeing Jonathan than he did with his commissioners in Anambra.

How did Okupe set example?

The Chief of Staff of the President is the most powerful man after the President in my opinion. He's behind the scene, steering the wheel. He is the President's remote control.

gurunlocker:
Anyone who have seen the American series "House of cards" will understand the function of the Chief of staff

Exactly.

Nice one

Mustsucceed:
The president needn't have openly stated that every one knows that there is an office in charge of the president schedule but tuexway buhari put it was what caused all this

I have often stated that buhari needs training on addressing public but I guess he feels he is the commander in chief .any time he open his mouth to speak hu must cause confusion ,pains and or anger

And how would he have said it according to you sir? " Please help me tell every minister...?" Maybe what is wrong is the fact that some people just fail to read in context and educate themselves properly or are just so far gone in their prejudice against the man that there is nothing he can do right in their eyes

Icon79:
The problem with Nigeria and Nigerians is that we tend to copy everything we see overseas without asking for the owners manual.

If you have an Aso Rock Chief of Staff, why then do you need the SFG? Those two position, properly defined, are the same thing. In the United States, where Nigeria sheepishly copied the whole Chief of Staff to the Presidency thing, you don't have any position defined as the Secretary to the Federal Government. You do have a Staff Secretary, but that's not the same thing. The Staff Secretary actually works directly for the White House Chief of Staff.

Bottom line, Nigeria should learn to be original and quit sheepishly copying other people!


O pari

why not google what both are staturory required to do in the nigerian acts and law

Icon79:
The problem with Nigeria and Nigerians is that we tend to copy everything we see overseas without asking for the owners manual.

If you have an Aso Rock Chief of Staff, why then do you need the SFG? Those two position, properly defined, are the same thing. In the United States, where Nigeria sheepishly copied the whole Chief of Staff to the Presidency thing, you don't have any position defined as the Secretary to the Federal Government. You do have a Staff Secretary, but that's not the same thing. The Staff Secretary actually works directly for the White House Chief of Staff.

Bottom line, Nigeria should learn to be original and quit sheepishly copying other people!


O pari

They are not the same thing.

The chief of staff coordinates the activities of the president, while the secretary to the government of the Federation coordinates the activities of the cabinet.

The SGF's office functions as the secretariat of the Federal Executive Council, which is why President Buhari also instructed the ministers to ensure that all memos and issues that require the attention of the FEC is routed through the SGF's office.

The chief of staff is a member of the personal staff of the president, while the SGF works for the government as a whole. It's kind of like the difference between the president's special assistant on media (who is a personal staff of the president) and the minister of information (who works for the government as a whole).

Including killing for the president.

gurunlocker:
Anyone who have seen the American series "House of cards" will understand the function of the Chief of staff

It is a standard protocol; only the ignorant do not know this - the CoS is like your secretary who schedules your meetings, takes messages, controls visitors' access to your office etc.

The president merely voiced it out, probably to re-emphasise it because the protocol was previously not being adhered to by former ministers.

Mustsucceed:
The president needn't have openly stated that every one knows that there is an office in charge of the president schedule but tuexway buhari put it was what caused all this

I have often stated that buhari needs training on addressing public but I guess he feels he is the commander in chief .any time he open his mouth to speak hu must cause confusion ,pains and or anger

That okupe's epistle is for people like you, yet your brain failed you to learn a lesson from it.
During the inauguration of the ministers the president said a lot of things to them which every one of them is not oblivious of. For instance, he urged the ministers to pursue vigouriously the agenda of the administration. Isn't this assertion obvious and truth which everybody knows? So, How is it an offence for the president to reiterate what is obvious?
It's your business to Continue to be pained with every of his public outing.

ItsMeAboki:
It is a standard protocol; only the ignorant do not know this - the CoS is like your secretary who schedules your meetings, takes messages, controls visitors' access to your office etc.

The president merely voiced it out, probably to re-emphasise it because the protocol was previously not being adhered to by former ministers.

Exactly!

In America the chief of staff was previously known as the "private secretary".

In Nigeria there is a "principal private secretary to the president" and he reports to the chief of staff.

The chief of staff position was introduced by President Obasanjo in 1999, but we also had something similar under military rule. There used to be the position of "principal staff officer to the president" and I remember that General Ukpo was principal staff officer to President Babangida.

Son, your language is a window to your broken soul. You are full of vileness and deep hurt. I pray you find peace within yourself. Let me know if you need someone to talk to. You can reach me on mail. Thanks

iammo:
really PDP dunce disgust us, please keep your shiiit, if a boss wants a secetary to handle all his pre-interaction, how is it your dumb business..... most of you are banking on pulling dunce ipobian strings so as to achieve political gain but it is what it is, you lots are ploting a major political doom


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ithink7:
People only complained because of known complacency of the president.
He doesn't seems to know what's going on around him and doesn't seem to read or watch the news.

This 80 Nigerian issue is an example. It is an international disgrace and one would have expected a statement from presidency, but NO. They just pretend not to see it and their social media managers will go online fueling the controversy.

I just have a feeling Buhari is incapable due to old age.

What concerns Buhari with 80 Biafran fraudstars caught doing their usual developing project in US?

When you travel and you're treated like a criminal because of your Nigerian passport, then you'll know what's up.

gtown:
What concerns Buhari with 80 Biafran fraudstars caught doing their usual developing project in US?

naptu2:
Exactly!

In America the chief of staff was previously known as the "private secretary".

In Nigeria there is a "principal private secretary to the president" and he reports to the chief of staff.

The chief of staff position was introduced by President Obasanjo in 1999, but we also had something similar under military rule. There used to be the position of "principal staff officer to the president" and I remember that General Ukpo was principal staff officer to President Babangida.

It is a matter of common sense; unfortunately, hatred for Buhari seems to have turned some ppl chronically ignorant and gullible to dumb propaganda.

Richdad50:
Son, your language is a window to your broken soul. You are full of vileness and deep hurt. I pray you find peace within yourself. Let me know if you need someone to talk to. You can reach me on mail. Thanks

haq haq haq, its lovely to see a looser forming kumbaya shiit..,, pastor dunce, calling your sorry ass out for trying to whip up cheap scandal for little benefit isnt vile or hurt, its the right thing to do to pdp fools like yourself who thinks instigating people and misinforming people is an occupation ,...

MetaPhysical:
Okupe is the wrong mouth to lecture us on this topic. When he was in Aso Governors walk in and out ....in fact militants from Otueke go to Aso to sip ogogoro with Jonathan on a spontaneous notice. Peter Obi spent more time seeing Jonathan than he did with his commissioners in Anambra.

How did Okupe set example?

I think you need to re read what he wrote.

naptu2:
They are not the same thing.

The chief of staff coordinates the activities of the president, while the secretary to the government of the Federation coordinates the activities of the cabinet.

The SGF's office functions as the secretariat of the Federal Executive Council, which is why President Buhari also instructed the ministers to ensure that all memos and issues that require the attention of the FEC is routed through the SGF's office.

The chief of staff is a member of the personal staff of the president, while the SGF works for the government as a whole. It's kind of like the difference between the president's special assistant on media (who is a personal staff of the president) and the minister of information (who works for the government as a whole).

God bless you, was about to write an epistle to correct him... But there you go... The legend.

People are just ignorant. Very very stupid.

Beer Palour analysis, majority of those who don't know the duties of chief of staff.

Buhari just exposed the foolishness of many.

Okupe has to lecture them. Shame!

Omo ale una still dey

There are some discussions I see online, and I just waka pass. Anybody that knows anything about government knows that all ministers (and commissioners in case of governors) gets to the president through the COS. You can watch Madam Secretary (a political series) to have a better understanding.

May be the President needed not to have announced it publicly

just what I think.

gtown:
That okupe's epistle is for people like you, yet your brain failed you to learn a lesson from it.
During the inauguration of the ministers the president said a lot of things to them which every one of them is not oblivious of. For instance, he urged the ministers to pursue vigouriously the agenda of the administration. Isn't this assertion obvious and truth which everybody knows? So, How is it an offence for the president to reiterate what is obvious?
It's your business to Continue to be pained with every of his public outing.

Sweet save your energy to improve your life ..even with the long epistle,Buhari has still failed this country .economy is at its worst....clearly u are frustrated try not to drink sniper

Icon79:
The problem with Nigeria and Nigerians is that we tend to copy everything we see overseas without asking for the owners manual.

If you have an Aso Rock Chief of Staff, why then do you need the SFG? Those two position, properly defined, are the same thing. In the United States, where Nigeria sheepishly copied the whole Chief of Staff to the Presidency thing, you don't have any position defined as the Secretary to the Federal Government. You do have a Staff Secretary, but that's not the same thing. The Staff Secretary actually works directly for the White House Chief of Staff.

Bottom line, Nigeria should learn to be original and quit sheepishly copying other people!


O pari

The duties of the COS and the SGF are distinct. The SGF is the Secretary to the Federal Executive Council. He coordinates all FEC activities. In addition, he’s also in charge of policy coordination of the administration and ensuring smooth operation of all Fedeal agencies, parastatals, commissions and departments.

The COS is the political head of the office of the president (villa) the same way ministers are political heads of ministry. He’s also the overall head of all presidential aides. The COS coordinates the schedule of the president, receive and send correspondences on behalf of the president and runs the villa.

Both can exist side by side without problem.

No sir, the Chief of Staff coordinates the Presidency. And when you use that term "Presidency, it implies the President and his/her cabinet. And that's exactly what's supposed to be the job of the Secretary of the Federal Government (in the Nigerian context). In a sane society, you won't have both positions..... they are redundant! Like I had previously stated, the so called Aso Rock Chief of Staff was created because they heard about the position of the White House Chief of Staff. No wonder the white folks refer to you guys are apes because y'all tend to ape everything you see/hear without taking the time to study and fully understand the process.

For example: John Kelly, the former White House Chief of Staff (and now Mick Mulvaney) coordinates every every cabinet meeting for the US govt.


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naptu2:
They are not the same thing.

The chief of staff coordinates the activities of the president, while the secretary to the government of the Federation coordinates the activities of the cabinet.

The SGF's office functions as the secretariat of the Federal Executive Council, which is why President Buhari also instructed the ministers to ensure that all memos and issues that require the attention of the FEC is routed through the SGF's office.

The chief of staff is a member of the personal staff of the president, while the SGF works for the government as a whole. It's kind of like the difference between the president's special assistant on media (who is a personal staff of the president) and the minister of information (who works for the government as a whole).

Richdad50:
Son, your language is a window to your broken soul. You are full of vileness and deep hurt. I pray you find peace within yourself. Let me know if you need someone to talk to. You can reach me on mail. Thanks

Your left the topic and attacked Okupe’s personality. I don’t know how your comment correlates with the topic of discussion.

You started of on this forum giving advice but I knew you are just a typical hateful Igbo man who cannot hide his hatred and bigotry just like nwaamaikpe and keneking aka amuocha.

Check your first comment again you fool.

Sir, I was talking about what's obtainable in a sane society. I don't care what y'all do in a failed state like Nigeria.


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iammo:
why not google what both are staturory required to do in the nigerian acts and law

I totally disagree, sir. Read my response to naptu2. My bottom line, we don't need the position of Chief of Staff in Nigeria because we already have the of the office of the SGF. But that doesn't surprise me sha .... this is Nigeria we're talking about.

How many cabinet secretaries/ministers do we have in Nigeria compared to the United States? gosh, we even have the "junior" and the "senior" ministers for each department sef

In the United States, we have two senator from each state but in Nigeria we have 3 senators from each state. And don't even get me started on their remunerations .... a society where the people in power pay themselves: hardship allowance, newspaper allowance, feeding allowance, car allowance etc etc. And you wonder what they use their salaries for!

#Sh!tHoleCountry



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seunmsg:
The duties of the COS and the SGF are distinct. The SGF is the Secretary to the Federal Executive Council. He coordinates all FEC activities. In addition, he’s also in charge of policy coordination of the administration and ensuring smooth operation of all Fedeal agencies, parastatals, commissions and departments.

The COS is the political head of the office of the president (villa) the same way ministers are political heads of ministry. He’s also the overall head of all presidential aides. The COS coordinates the schedule of the president, receive and send correspondences on behalf of the president and runs the villa.

Both can exist side by side without problem.

ithink7:
When you travel and you're treated like a criminal because of your Nigerian passport, then you'll know what's up.

Nigerians have been traveling round the world and they will Continue to travel round the world. Those who are criminals like the 80 criminal Biafra fraudstars are no where to discredit the Green Passport. Every one Nigerian caught engaging his/her self in any nefarious activity will face the consequences without Nigerian government especially of president Buhari anywhere close to intervene. This government is built on integrity, ever ready to support Nigerians irrespective of whereever they are doing their legitimate business.
On these latest 80 Biafra criminals the FG has already reacted with clear message that they are on their own and must face the music.
Legit.ng
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The federal government said: "We ask those accused in Nigeria to voluntarily turn themselves in, to American authorities to clear their names, without which the Nigerian government would extradite them"
For your important information, the government of PMB is always happy each time criminals and fraudstars of Nigerian are apprehended offshore Nigeria.

Mustsucceed:
Sweet save your energy to improve your life ..even with the long epistle,Buhari has still failed this country .economy is at its worst....clearly u are frustrated try not to drink sniper

I now understand who you are, wailing wailer!

Simone please enlighten me. If the COS is there to handle the president's affairs in His (president's) absence, what's the job of the vice president?

Icon79:
No sir, the Chief of Staff coordinates the Presidency. And when you use that term "Presidency, it implies the President and his/her cabinet. And that's exactly what's supposed to be the job of the Secretary of the Federal Government (in the Nigerian context). In a sane society, you won't have both positions..... they are redundant! Like I had previously stated, the so called Aso Rock Chief of Staff was created because they heard about the position of the White House Chief of Staff. No wonder the white folks refer to you guys are apes because y'all tend to ape everything you see/hear without taking the time to study and fully understand the process.

For example: John Kelly, the former White House Chief of Staff (and now Mick Mulvaney) coordinates every every cabinet meeting for the US govt.


O pari

You are wrong. The presidency does not include the cabinet. You are probably mixing up the terms Presidency and executive arm of government. They are not the same.


The presidency, as used in this context, means the office of the president (including his special assistants and advisers). This is domiciled at the Aso Rock Villa.


The cabinet, that is the FEC, the ministries, department and agencies, have their own headquarters, with many ministries having their headquarters at the Federal Secretariat.


It's just like saying that the Treasury Department is the White House. The Treasury Department is not the White House, but it is part of the executive branch of government. They are two distinct things.

I see what happened. You just assumed that the position was copied from the US simply because I said that it was adapted from the US and you ignorantly came to that conclusion. The position existed long before the title was adopted from the US in 1999. It was previously called the principal staff officer to the president/head of state (during military rule) and it was called the principal private secretary to the prime minister (during the first republic 1960-1966). All that was changed/adopted from the US in 1999 was the title!



The chief of staff is like a personal assistant to the president, while the secretary to the government of the federation is like the cabinet secretary that we had in the first republic.


The secretary to the government of the federation also used to be the head of the civil service until that position was excised in 1999. Up till 1999 he was the most senior civil servant in the country.

If you think of the government as the executive, legislature, judiciary and the bureaucracy, then the old position of secretary to the government of the federation was the head of the bureaucracy.


The chief of staff is in charge of the office of the president, while the secretary to the government of the federation is in charge of coordinating interactions between ministries, departments and agencies of government.

You can see the functions of the secretary to the Government of the Federation here: https://www.osgf.gov.ng/about-us

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_to_the_Government_of_the_Federation

And you can see the functions of the chief of staff here: http://statehouse.gov.ng/presidency/



It's like the difference between the White House Counsel, who is the lawyer of the president of the United States and the Attorney General/solicitor general, who represents the government.

It's like the difference between the senior special assistant to the president on media and publicity, who speaks on behalf of the president, and the minister of information, who speaks on behalf of the government.


The functions of the secretary to the government of the federation and the functions of the chief of staff to the president are quite clearly different. They have never ever been the same.

Even before 1999, when we adopted the American title of chief of staff, the functions and offices were not the same.


Even in 1960, when we operated the British parliamentary system, you still had separate positions for the principal private secretary to the prime minister (which is like the chief of staff), and the cabinet secretary (which is like the secretary to the government of the federation). They do not perform the same functions. They have never performed the same functions.

Even under military rule, there were separate positions for the principal staff officer to the president/head of state (which is like the chief of staff) and the secretary to the government of the federation. They have never performed the same functions.


Note the function of a cabinet secretary (which is the equivalent of the secretary to the government of the federation) particularly as it's used in the United Kingdom.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_Secretary


And the function of a principal private secretary (which is the equivalent of the chief of staff)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal_Private_Secretary_to_the_Prime_Minister


By the way, Nigeria is not a zombie country and so it is not obliged to "ape" everything that is done in other countries. It can pick and choose the functions that suit its purpose. And if you say that, "No wonder the white folks refer to you guys are ape" (I guess you meant to use as, rather than are), then I must wonder if you are one of the guys being referred to

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