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Anduku:
From USA today And the new York times? Some of the most anti Trump publications out there? If they could admit as much, then you know it's even better than they are letting on

Anduku:
Well documented Budaatum, well documented

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/30/obamas-pledge-that-no-one-will-take-away-your-health-plan/

GalaticHorde:
those pics are munched from your raw data, one research issuing a disclaimer that it doesn't meet research criterion, the other with a footnote to take the data with caution, did I make them up? Maybe you should read thoroughly before posting

Anduku:
I am struggling to understand what you are arguing about? This argument started because you were claiming there was nothing good about people's private healthcare plans and I said maybe you are smarter than overwhelming majority of Americans who love their healthcare plans better than Medicare for all, you went to bring me a poll from the hill that shows majority of Republicans liking Medicare for all and I had to go to the same the hill to get you a poll that said yes, people do like medicare coverage for all but not at the expense of their private plans. Given an option, 90% refused to support Medicare for all if it meant tampering with the private healthcare plans. The fact is an overwhelming majority of Americans don't want you messing with their healthcare plans and that's it!!

GalaticHorde:
the one I could open was an opinion column, the other I couldn't open was from conservative nytimes, anti trump? If that's your take

Anduku:
Oh my God, those articles were not research articles, they were news posts on the latest data from the bureau of economic analysis in the US Dept of commerce. I got them for you from you liberal news sites so you can't accuse me of spouting fox news or rightwing talking points.

This is the direct link to the bureau of economic analysis site. It was right there in the article. Read to understand and not just for the sake of arguing

https://www.bea.gov/news/2019/gross-domestic-product-1st-quarter-2019-advance-estimate

GalaticHorde:
this argument started with me asking you to debate on policy, Bernie and Warren vs Trump, we are currently on health and not entirely contrary to your claim, the debate is on which is a better policy single payer or private insurance which you successfully sidetracked me into a policy popularity contest which I tried and I am still trying to prove to you that despite the lack of actual understanding on what a single payer system and it's benefits actually mean, majority of Americans want it in one form or another, the all or none scenario was your introduction, so like I have asked you twice already without an answer, what type of insurance which covers everything is the military and congress on?

Anduku:
Now I know you have absolutely no clue what you are arguing about. The New York times, conservative? How can you even mention those two together in one sentence? On what planet are you living?

GalaticHorde:
All and well, now compare to second quarter indices across board from same site
https://www.bea.gov/index.php/news/2019/gross-domestic-product-2nd-quarter-2019-advance-estimate-and-annual-update

GalaticHorde:
not pro trump doesn't equte to not conservative, try harder, if you said LA times or Washington Post, I will agree, NY times is conservative

Anduku:
So please tell me how people can still get to keep their private healthcare plans if the kind of Medicare for all your candidates are proposing is implemented? I mean this thing has been trashed over and over again and even the liberal media admits it's not possible. It was the same thing Obama was caught lying about when he said under his medicare for all plan, if you like your private healthcare plan you can keep it. Joe biden even made the same promise recently and he was found to be lying even by the fake news media. Bernie is even more crazy because he is talking about completely eliminating private healthcare. Good luck to dems if they want to run with that but be rest assured they will get their asses handed them in 2020 if they do

Anduku:
I can't argue with this kind of wilful self deceit. I will rather call on your fellow liberals in the forum to help us set the records straight if they are truthful enough. Kophschmerzen, Abbeybailey, budaatum, wirinet, happney65, theshopkeeper, your friend here says the New York times are conservatives and I say no, they are liberals. Can you please tell us which of us is right? please

Anduku:
The GDP still increased by 2.1 percent in the second quarter. If the economy is not doing great, how the hell is GDP increasing?

budaatum:
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GalaticHorde:
You are so fixated on the perceived unpopularity of medicare for all as in to you it is all just a popularity contest even after i provided research that it is misunderstood by majority of Americans even the ones beginning to support it because of the numerous challenges inherent in the current system and the skewing of facts and the narrative by republican party and its shrills in association with their big pharna/health insurance coys financiers
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2019/06/medicare-for-all-polls-public-option-kaiser-popular-misunderstood.html
So back to your question, if the medicare for all my candidates are proposing gets fully implemented without its being diluted and dumbed down by the republican congressmen and women and their big pharma/insurance coys puppeteers like ACA or obamacare was, nobody will need to keep their private plans because they won't need it for anything but elective procedures like plastic surgery, now back to the debate I started with, how is the current healthcare policy supported by the Republicans better than the proposed single payer medicare for all as obtainable in say,......Canada, UK, Germany, France, Holland, Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway e.t.c take your pick and for the fourth time, anduku, what type of medical insurance are the military and congress covered by?

Anduku:
Thank you budaatum for being honest and setting the record straight

Anduku:
Galactichorde, here is a graph from the US bureau of labour statistics showing how low the unemployment level is under Trump compared to the same period during the Obama years. Unemployment is low because more people are getting jobs under Trump than did under Obama

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

GalaticHorde:
from what in the first quarter, and don't forget other indices, and while we are on that, what is China's GDP?

budaatum:
Post 7 years before obama too please.

Anduku:
Galactichorde, here is a graph from the US bureau of labour statistics showing how low the unemployment level is under Trump compared to the same period during the Obama years. Unemployment is low because more people are getting jobs under Trump than did under Obama

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

Anduku:
So you're saying no private healthcare plans then, just like Bernie. Like I said earlier, good luck to the dems running with that

Anduku:
Stop arguing with Trump's economic figures that's one argument you can't win because Trump's figures are splendid. The GDP growth under Trump is at the highest it has been for the past decade, better than it was throughout the Obama years.
As for China, their GDP growth is at it's lowest right now that they are actually devaluing their currency just to keep their heads above water. You might want to read this from your liberal CNN

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/07/15/economy/china-gdp-growth/index.html

zendi:
Since you're in the mood to do good, why not go further and change the toxic handle?
I recommend "balderdash" as replacement.
We will love it, and I'm sure you will.
All in good faith.

itchie:
David Koch, billionaire philanthropist died yesterday and just because he was Republican donor, liberals are celebrating and saying good riddance to an evil man. He is evil just because he supports the Republican party, nothing else.
This just goes to show how hate filled and evil hearted these liberals are. I am not talking about ordinary liberals on the streets, leaders in the party are actually engaging in this kind of disgusting behaviour. Evil party full of hateful people is what the Democratic party is

GalaticHorde:
let me echo it if you didn't hear it loudly enough, good riddance and may he rot in hell

In other not news

Rush Limbaugh====> "GOP concerns about budget deficit have always been bogus!-

Now would you kindly help me with the definition of the term "grand hypocrisy" ? Its a shock that people exist who can boldly still call themselves Republicans! I would have thought being repugnant, retrogressive and hypocritical would weigh a human's soul down buy Republicans prove me wrong

kopfschmerzen:
David Koch wanted to abolish public schools, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and rent control. He financed groups that denied the research on climate change. He funded the Tea Party. And he used dark money to support right-wing causes and Republican candidates for office.

Good riddance to bad nonsense.

itchie:
Thanks for providing a good evidence of the kind immoral, evil hearted and hate filled animals liberals are