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madridguy:
Have you been to Somalia and Pakistan before or you're just hiding behind keyboard saying this? Wait with time Muslim will take over Europe.

then you will become the richest man in the world

ollah2:
quit spitting nonsense. Only Saudi arabia doesn't allow other religions to be practiced in their lands but every other muslim country allow other religions to be practiced. You shoudl stop spreading falsehoods

Afghanistan does not allow too, while many others like Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan e.t.c does not allow the free practice of other religions. It is heavily scrutinized, checkmated and limited. In a country like Pakistan, minority religions are attacked for no reason by the masses.

ladiesreject:
I hate Islam, I really do! I believe Muslims are the problem of the world, especially here in Nigeria where 80% of them are so violent, backward and primitive.

But I like Muslims for just one thing.
An average Muslim rather die with what he or she believes than compromise. Christian girls will never turn down the hands of a prince even if it's against Christianity.

It's about time Christians start their own Bible school (just like islamiya). This will help our young ones strengthen their beliefs and not compromise.

SayNoToIslam

Most of we christian children were taught christian studies and morals in our schools and churches/Sunday school, yet you even see Pastor's children living wayward lives. This is because christianity is a religion of live and let live. It gives freedom. Especially our predominantly Pentecostal/Catholic Nigeria of today.

Islam threatens people naturally with fear, torment, punishments, amputations, ostracism and death. That is why they are the way they are.

Unless we radicalize our doctrines intentionally, we can never measure up to the rascality of the islamic religion. Seperation is our best bet.

aril:
You mean aside from Muslims that relocate to that country no Muslims or Islam never existed there.

Yes no one and none. Islam never got to these places during any period of time. The spread of islam into Europe ended in the Caucasus and Balkans. No natives of these places had access to islam. Even in Nigeria and West Africa here where islam heavily penetrated, there are dozens of tribes which have no single indigenous muslim, let alone Europe.

ollah2:
quit spitting nonsense. Only Saudi arabia doesn't allow other religions to be practiced in their lands but every other muslim country allow other religions to be practiced. You shoudl stop spreading falsehoods

Egypt doesnt allow other religion to be openly preached.

Onlyonebuhari:
That is religion of honour! Muslims women don't shake hands with opposite sex except those who doesn't understand Islam just like the way Queen Elizabeth don't shake hands with anyone anyhow. Our sisters are Queens, not those miniskirt church girls that are used as dancers, strippers and to dress naked in the name of miss world. Holy Mary dress from head to toe and our sister also follow her footsteps. No matter your position you can't see my wife fingers let alone shaking hands with her. If you really want to know what unclothedness and shamelessness is all about just tune in to Pastor Oyakhilome's church programme then you will know today's Christianity is anti Christ is the making. Kudos to Pastor Kumuyi for the value he placed on dressing among his followers. That's the only pastor I respect in Nigeria, the rest don't care about men shouldn't wear women attires and vice versa. They will tell you faith is isn't you heart after dressing naked as if bible that preaches decency is meant to be play with.
The content of a word is the product of its environment.
May God bless those who obey God commadements.

Imagine the Audacity. If you are not a christian, mind yourself with your head slamming religion and don't you interfere with how christians are observing their religion or not, cos it is none of your business.
If your wife wants to dress like a masquerade, it's your business and hers, afterall not even all muslim women dress as masquerades. There are muslims who are very modern and civilized in their looks.

The problem we are having with you guys is that why do masquerade looking muslims still choose to migrate to these western nations when they know it's full of nudity? Why don't they choose Saudi Arabia, Yemen or Pakistan?

Yusman316:
Guy a person asking u to respect his chosen way of life is now a crime? Which European law says u must shake a dignitary against your own personal conviction?

Not all cultures are laws. And if you cannot respect people's cultures, then stay away from their lands. Why is that so hard to grasp?

Lonelypacifist6:
Can I please know why?

Because our prophet said so in the following.

It was narrated that Ma’qil ibn Yassaar said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “For one of you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle is better for him than that he should touch a woman(a non relative woman,including female cousins) who is not permissible for him.”
Narrated by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, 486. Shaykh al-Albaani said in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 5045

bixton:
Nice.
As regards the bold, can you point to where its written in your Koran or any religious books or who and from where that practice came from?

The matter is strictly Islamic I don't know of other religions .
The reason is this;


It was narrated that Ma’qil ibn Yassaar said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “For one of you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle is better for him than that he should touch a woman(a non relative woman,including female cousins) who is not permissible for him.”
Narrated by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, 486. Shaykh al-Albaani said in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 5045

olayinkadavid70:
you know the problem with you Muslims is that, when christians does something u don't like, u quickly get angry, but when u done something wrong, u don't receive the blame, now Saudi Arabia doesn't like women wearing naked dresses, they totally ban it, the christians in Saudi Arabia always dress properly because that is the rule of that country, that is there own way of life over there, but now this Muslims are in Christian country, there own way of life is to shake hand, to me, what this ladies done is not good enough, this is a whole prince and not just anybody, this is there country and this is there way of life, by not shaking him, it is an insult, honestly this is disrespectful, what u don't like people to do to u, don't do it to another person, now if christians in Saudi Arabia refuse to wear go cloth, will Saudi Arabia like it, the Bible says when u are in Rome behave like a Roman, this is what your religion fails to teach u, u think u can just hurt the feelings of anybody, it is very wrong, religion won't take u to heaven, the way u walk with God we determine your heaven, for Christ sake what is bad is bad, that u are a Muslim doesn't mean that u should always support what is wrong and then hurt the feelings of another people that are not of your religion, this is bad, what if they too decide to ban hijab because they don't like it, will u be happy, NO, u won't, Muslims should know how they behave towards people of other religion, the Bible also says, "Give respect unto whom respect is due for", the Bible says we must respect those people who are higher than us, so that is my word for u, and if u still think what they did is right in your own eyes, that is your problem, but keep one thing in mind, religion won't take u to heaven.

And your religion will take your to heaven shey?
This is way ward way some of you talk down on others.

See, my friend, I don't like discussing unrelated issues.
If declining to shake the prince hand is a crime so be it.
By the way ,what does the hand shake gets to benefit the women with?
Access to heaven?
Abegii!

damosky12:
It is saddening that you believe you are "following the truth".

Which truth? What is the name of that truth?

With your constant sins and perennial imperfections?

Have a rethink.

Thank you sir.

There's nothing worthy in any religion than Islām that I should stress my head "thinking " about.

I am more than okay with my religion and its principles.

Afonja007:
go to saudi arabia and practice your religion as you want or rather go to afganistan pakistan Somalia this countries pratice undiluted Islam,Saudi Arabia refused church to be build in their country then these useless women will not go to saudi

Go hang yourself if you are not comfortable with our ways.
After all,we are not forcing you or anyone to follow it.
To you your religion, to me my religion.
Get used to it.

bskyb:
Hello bro,
I would just like to know why many Islamic countries are not so tolerant to other faiths. For example, the Zoroastians (hope i got the spelling) in Iran are heavily persecuted, there is no reciprocal tolerance for christianity in Saudi and in fact practically any other Islamic country.

I have no issues with their decision not to shake hands with the prince, its their choice. The problem is that other people's choices are usually not respected in most muslim countries.

I look forward to having a civil conversation with you.

I don't understand other people's choice you are talking about?

Like what?

MetaPhysical:
Go and tell Sultan that you are muslim and want to marry his daughter. See if his Islam recognize your Islam.

Go tell king of Arabia that you are muslim and need a job in one of their ministries...and see if your Islam qualify you.

You are hoodwinked, and you cant even see the hood or the wink.

You can keep wailing eh.

I don't need people like you to validate my religion for me.

ransomed:
000000000 If it is about schools uniform and NYSC attire, you will shout hijab. You won't say uniform is uniform period. I see hypocrisy in you sir. Thank you.

Hypocrisy where?

Anything that has to do with following the religion have absolutely nothing to do with hypocrisy.

Is hijaab allowed and compulsory on a female ?
Yes.

Is shaking hands with opposite UNRELATED(including cousins)gender allowed in Islām?

No.


how's this hypocrisy?

How?

if you don't have the logical know-how to deal with issues like this why don't you take a back seat and learn bro.

clefstone:
not a Muslim but I agree with Khaleell001. The truth is that if Muslims decide not to shake hands with the opposite sex, it's their business. However, how the rejection is done matters in a way. Those women declined politely as can be seen from their facial expressions. As a matter of fact, the reason for the apology from the Muslim community is that they didn't inform the Prince that the women won't shake hands with him which would have made him not to extend his arms for a handshake and avoid what seems like an embarrassment.

Now, as a Christian, what is my view on shaking hands with the opposite sex? That you shake hands or not with the opposite sex does not determine your salvation. We are guided by the holy spirit in all we do as Christians, in one instance a man may decline to shake hands with the opposite sex for good reasons, in another instance he may willingly shake hands. What matters is intention and not law or creed. This to me is a fundamental difference between Christianity and Islam, one aims to obey laws the other would break laws to do the ultimate good: love

Yes.
If intention goes opposite to creed or belief we throw out such "intention. "
Because both must align to define an action.

In Islām, I can't intend good by drinking alcohol when creed says otherwise.
I can't intend to sleep with a lady who I haven't married when it conflicts with my creed.
Both MUST align to define the action.

We LOVE to obey Allāh that's why it's not allowed for us to shake hands with the opposite gender QED.

Khaleell001:
The matter is strictly Islamic I don't know of other religions .
The reason is this;


It was narrated that Ma’qil ibn Yassaar said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “For one of you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle is better for him than that he should touch a woman(a non relative woman,including female cousins) who is not permissible for him.”
Narrated by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, 486. Shaykh al-Albaani said in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 5045

I guess this quote is from one of the hadiths.
So is this also applicable to those in the medical profession especially doctors and surgeons?

bixton:
I guess this quote is from one of the hadiths.
So is this also applicable to those in the medical profession especially doctors and surgeons?

In this case, it falls under what we call dururah (necessity) in Islamic jurisprudence.
Because there's a need to touch the person's hand while treating, not out of seeking to disobey the rule.

Khaleell001:
Yes.
If intention goes opposite to creed or belief we throw out such "intention. "
Because both must align to define an action.

In Islām, I can't intend good by drinking alcohol when creed says otherwise.
I can't intend to sleep with a lady who I haven't married when it conflicts with my creed.
Both MUST align to define the action.

We LOVE to obey Allāh that's why it's not allowed for us to shake hands with the opposite gender QED.

premarital sex and shaking hands are not comparable in this regard. Hand shakes can be given for different reasons and mostly for good reasons to show friendship and pure affection. Premarital sex only means one thing and nothing good can come out of it

Khaleell001:
Because our prophet said so in the following.

It was narrated that Ma’qil ibn Yassaar said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “For one of you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle is better for him than that he should touch a woman(a non relative woman,including female cousins) who is not permissible for him.”
Narrated by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, 486. Shaykh al-Albaani said in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 5045

You don't stab with a needle, and why the "Iron"of course a needle is always Iron, Never seen a wooden needle. and I'll take touching to the needle anyday, im not a sadists I don't enjoy pain.

Khaleell001:
I can see the ad hominem in your quote.
When you know you can't counter my point your resort to insult and bring in unrelated issues.

The point here is, hand shake.
Is it permissible for a Muslim to shake hands with the opposite gender?
No.
So what's the fuss all about?
OK I get it.
Tolerance is when I do what you like not what I believe is good for me even when it does not harm you in anyway.
You are a bigger hypocrite to begin with.

You didnt answer his question though. He who must come to the table of equity must do so with clean hands. Why should European and other western countries be tolerant to muslims but saudi cannot be tolerant to other religion? If you are not answering this question directly, dont bother quoting me.

Khaleell001:
I don't understand other people's choice you are talking about?

Like what?

Okay, I will cite some examples.
1) Having their own places of worship
2) being forbidden from eating or drinking publicly during the month of Ramadan
3) Public practice of any other form of religion apart from Islam
4) women walking freely without having to wear an Abaya and head scarf
5) Eating or importing pork
There are others, but I will stop at this.

Note, that all the above restricts the choices that others have .

mrvitalis:
There are mosque in italy is there a church in saudi ?

No church and practicing christianity is a crime ....but u want right were u are minority hypocrite

Shifting the goal post already.

First it was banning all religions now it’s about churches.

Saudi has always been an Islamic kingdom and it is known worldwide. Before Abraham brought Islam to Saudi through his family, Saudi was mostly a desert. Meaning Saudi was formed because of Islam not before Islam.

Italy has never claimed the title of being a Christian country. Roman Empire has been in place long before Christianity came and took over the kingdom. So Christianity should naturally not lay claim to any part of the country but here we are today with Vatican even having its own rules and constitution.


Before you condemn a religion make sure you know it’s history and the history of your own religion.


So by your submission a minority has no right in a secular country. If that is the case, then Christians should have no right in nigeria cos by demographics, Muslims are the majority while Christians are the minority.

Who’s the hypocrite now?

clefstone:
premarital sex and shaking hands are not comparable in this regard. Hand shakes can be given for different reasons and mostly for good reasons to show friendship and pure affection. Premarital sex only means one thing and nothing good can come out of it

I only cited those examples to illustrate to you that intention in Islām has its means and method.

In Islam,the means and the end go together.
We don't use that line of saying the end justifies the means;rather both must align hence the illustration.

If you even read recent events in the US some prominent men (I think,Keanu Reeves,the guy who acted the matrix) are saying they won't shake hands with ladies and even hug due to prevalent sexual molestation and sexual improperity that comes with it.
This is what Islām seeks to prevent.
Whether the handshake is well intended or not .Islam. says do not open the gate tomorrow otherwise what will follow maybe greater.

Today,that we have more freedom for hugs and shake hands with the opposite gender we have seen spike in different kinds of sexual abuse that were not known then with our fathers becacuse we thought they were "harmless " and well intended.

Islam rather says no.
The method of saying prevention is better than cure hence no handshake.

Lonelypacifist6:
You don't stab with a needle, and why the "Iron"of course a needle is always Iron, Never seen a wooden needle. and I'll take touching to the needle anyday, im not a sadists I don't enjoy pain.

good for you.

bskyb:
Okay, I will cite some examples.
1) Having their own places of worship
2) being forbidden from eating or drinking publicly during the month of Ramadan
3) Public practice of any other form of religion apart from Islam
4) women walking freely without having to wear an Abaya and head scarf
5) Eating or importing pork
There are others, but I will stop at this.

Note, that all the above restricts the choices that others have .

Every country has its own rules and regulations.
If Europe decides that no one should put on scarves or anything, but walk naked then no Muslim should be seen there since the law does not suit them similarly you will find such laws in those countries that prevent the things you outlined.

The point here is, liberalism which is being promoted by the western world is all about choice. And my choice to do certain things as far it does not go contrary to the laws is well protected.
And I don't see what's all the fuss about?
Except you are telling me liberalism to you means, I must do what you do and choose what you choose which will be very hypocritical.

It's a matter of choice.

If I decide not to drive a car but walk it's my choice.

If I decide to wear agbada it's my choice.

You can't castigate me because I choose to be different when I'm not breaking any law.

who does that?

Debaiz:
Shifting the goal post already.

First it was banning all religions now it’s about churches.

Saudi has always been an Islamic kingdom and it is known worldwide. Before Abraham brought Islam to Saudi through his family, Saudi was mostly a desert. Meaning Saudi was formed because of Islam not before Islam.

Italy has never claimed the title of being a Christian country. Roman Empire has been in place long before Christianity came and took over the kingdom. So Christianity should naturally not lay claim to any part of the country but here we are today with Vatican even having its own rules and constitution.


Before you condemn a religion make sure you know it’s history and the history of your own religion.


So by your submission a minority has no right in a secular country. If that is the case, then Christians should have no right in nigeria cos by demographics, Muslims are the majority while Christians are the minority.
Who’s the hypocrite now?

You are highly being mischievous and deceitful by stating the bold.
Kindly put up the statistics where you got such information.
It's like when some fellows in this times still think everyone in the northern region is a hausa person and everyone in the entire south is ibo.

What exactly do you understand by who a Christian is what is Christianity? Did Jesus Christ come and say He is bringing a new religion and it is Christianity?! Do you not know the origin of the word itself? Is the Roman empire more old than Judaism?
If Italy does not say they are a Christian State, they alone know their reasons. The history books is out there for all to seek information as to the formation of the Catholic church.

Khaleell001:
Every country has its own rules and regulations.
If Europe decides that no one should put on scarves or anything, but walk naked then no Muslim should be seen there since the law does not suit them similarly you will find such laws in those countries that prevent the things you outlined.

The point here is, liberalism which is being promoted by the western world is all about choice. And my choice to do certain things as far it does not go contrary to the laws is well protected.
And I don't see what's all the fuss about?
Except you are telling me liberalism to you means, I must do what you do and choose what you choose which will be very hypocritical.

It's a matter of choice.

If I decide not to drive a car but walk it's my choice.

If I decide to wear agbada it's my choice.

You can't castigate me because I choose to be different when I'm not breaking any law.

who does that?

Except I'm mistaken about what the other guy is saying.......
I think he is trying to say muslims want others to tolerate and accept their way(s) of living and doing things.
But they muslims cannot do same?
It's a simple principle even if its ones faith.
That is where the hypocrisy comes to play.................

bixton:
Except I'm mistaken about what the other guy is saying.......
I think he is trying to say muslims want others to tolerate and accept their way(s) of living and doing things.
But they muslims cannot do same?
It's a simple principle even if its ones faith.
That is where the hypocrisy comes to play.................

That's not hypocrisy but system of governance.


A good example is; in my house, we can eat all sort of food:garri, beans,eba,Akpu,amala ewedu, gbegiri and all assorted.
But in your house, you say you don't eat Amala and gbegiri based on certain allergy you have for them. Then this isn't hypocrisy but following what suits you.

In my extended family:some of my uncles allow people to walk to everyehere in their house even to their bed room while some scorn at those who even attempt to do so.

So, the point here is, as far as the West allow people to exercise their personal choices and freedom then there is no hypocrisy in it when other countries say they don't allow such choices and freedom in a limited sense.

You can choose to allow people smoke cigarettes and marijuana in your house, but if I choose not to allow such for personal reasons that's my problem not yours .
This copy cat culture has actually ruined Africa, that's why many ifr you are very confused between the choices you make.
Take it or leave it, we all have our personal choices to exercise and the environment we choose to exercise them.


In the end, It all boils down to choice.

This is the highest level of madness. You can't even shake with someone because your religion says no?. This is a barbaric and uncivilized behavior.

Khaleell001:
That's not hypocrisy but system of governance.


A good example is; in my house, we can eat all sort of food:garri, beans,eba,Akpu,amala ewedu, gbegiri and all assorted.
But in your house, you say you don't eat Amala and gbegiri based on certain allergy you have for them. Then this isn't hypocrisy but following what suits you.

In my extended family:some of my uncles allow people to walk to everyehere in their house even to their bed room while some scorn at those who even attempt to do so.

So, the point here is, as far as the West allow people to exercise their personal choices and freedom then there is no hypocrisy in it when other countries say they don't allow such choices and freedom in a limited sense.

You can choose to allow people smoke cigarettes and marijuana in your house, but if I choose not to allow such for personal reasons that's my problem not yours .
This copy cat culture has actually ruined Africa, that's why many ifr you are very confused between the choices you make.
Take it or leave it, we all have our personal choices to exercise and the environment we choose to exercise them.


In the end, It all boils down to choice.

I still think you don't get the point.
Nevertheless I don't understand what you mean by copy cat culture..........please which part of Nigeria are you from and what tribe specifically are you..............

In my local village from where I come, its disrespectful for a younger person to initiate a handshake.

Lonelypacifist6:
You don't stab with a needle, and why the "Iron"of course a needle is always Iron, Never seen a wooden needle. and I'll take touching to the needle anyday, im not a sadists I don't enjoy pain.

I don't think that statement as said and written in the hadith is in the literally sense. It's some form of proverb to bring meaning to that which is in front.