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malvisguy212:
I ask a simple question. your son calling you father , does it make your son a less human ? Jesus calling God His Father does it make Him less God ?

what make us human , god ? the Bible make it clear that our origin BEGINS with God, but to the son, His origin is UNKNOWN , the bible address it as the ANCIENT OF DAYS.

Were is it written that Jesus is the ancient of Days?

malvisguy212:
I ask a simple question. your son calling you father , does it make your son a less human ? Jesus calling God His Father does it make Him less God ?

what make us human , god ? the Bible make it clear that our origin BEGINS with God, but to the son, His origin is UNKNOWN , the bible address it as the ANCIENT OF DAYS.

And does your son been human with you make him your equal in age and authority?

Maximus69:
Wow!

They're all suffering from the same kind of brain problem!

I remember one so called Pastor who kept hammering on just two words in one verse to condemn alcoholic beverages, but with my quotation which ran through three consecutive verses from the same chapter, oga Pastor said we should start reading from verse one to the end in order for him to be sure of the correlation. Whereas to support his claim he quoted just two words in one single verse. He never cared to check or even read through the complete verse to know if he's misapplying the words!

I have observed that most pastors and Bishops do not understand the Bible as they claim to, most of them are even more ignorant than there members.

Janosky:
@1) Acts2:36, does Emusan believe it? Have you removed Acts of the Apostles from the holy Scriptures?
Acts 2:36, God his Father appointed him.
". Assuredly, therefore, let all the house of Israel know, that both Lord and Christ did God make him "
@2) John14:28 "You heard Me say, ‘I am going away, and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I. "

John 7:33 "So Jesus said, "I am with you only a little while longer, and then I am going to the One who sent Me."
John 10:29 "My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all."
** Emusan, Lie, lie Pharisee. Your Jesus is the Father ,see your FICTITIOUS correlation. My Questions: If Jesus is the Father, John7:33, who is he going to be with? Can you go leave your place of dwelling and go visit yourself?
John14:28, Since he is the father,can Jesus be greater than himself?
John10:29, "my Father is greater than ALL, excludes who?
I'm not sorry I can't help you......

Lol......they will not respond you just exposed their fraud.

blueAgent:
Were is it written that Jesus is the ancient of Days?

Micah 5:2. say His origin is UNKNOWN , from TIME PAST , THE ANCIENT OF DAYS.

malvisguy212:
Micah 5:2. say His origin is UNKNOWN .....

Pls quote the Bible version with that expression "His origin is UNKNOWN..."
I have NEVER seen that expression in any bible whether online or offline.

Re: Is Jesus Really God? by OLAADEGBU ( m ) : 7:09pm Janosky : John17:3, who is the ONLY TRUE GOD? Does Jesus Christ have a God? Who is the God of his Father? "Christ is first in rank" of what? " 'Christ is "first in rank', who is his God? If your claims are true, you won't be doing USAIN BOLT on these fundamental questions begging for answers..
**$$$*** OLAADEGBU ran away from the above questions on his thread. Who can bail him out?

blueAgent:
And does your son been human with you make him your equal in age and authority?

in NATURE, does your son is less human than you ? why do you believe that God who is a transcendence being can Exist as a Godhead ?

genesis1:26
Then God said, "Let us make mankind in
our image, in our likeness...

The verse say "US" and then went on to say "IMAGE" if God is three separate being, the verse should've say images.

Isaiah 6:8
Then I heard the voice of the
Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send,
and who will go for US?" Then I said, "Here am I.
Send me!"

The verse say "WHOM SHALL I SEND" (ONE
GOD) and the verse continue "WHO WILL GO
FOR US" (three personalities)

The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God exists as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. However,these three persons are not three separate gods, but ONE GOD. This Trrinitarian concept of God might seem to be contradictory from a HUMAN
standpoint, but is perfectly logical from GOD'S EXTRADIMENSIONAL EXISTENCE. Anti-Trinitarian heresies elevate humans to the level of God or demote one or more persons of the Godhead to
non-God status. Don't fall into one of those traps!

TATIME:
I supposed his so called friends (John 15:15) asked him a very important question that's disturbing their minds, and if truthfully Jesus himself is part of the so called THREE Godheads he should be in the best position to tell them either (1) We're not to disclose it. (2) It will cause some problems for you later.

But rather Jesus said ONLY the father knows and earlier before then he said the God of Israel is ONE God. Mark 12:29
Moreover Jesus said the same thing when they asked him the same question later! Act 1:7

No Sir, it's either Jesus is not a part of any Trinity, or he must be lying to his friends. And the Bible said the holy one of Israel CANNOT lie. Titus 1:2
So Jesus totally differs from that person who knows it all! Daniel 2:20

whatever you described there is wrong! That is theism not trinity.
Jesus was not lying, as a man he limited himself on some certain things.
He, The father and the Holy Spirit is one God.


Jesus is honored just the same way the father is honored this proves they are equal.

blueAgent:
So who is the master and who is the Servant.
God or Jesus,?

Jesus was the servant of God

blueAgent:
Your argument is baseless.
Humans give birth to Humans, Lions give birth to Lions,Snakes give birth to snakes. it is logical for God to give birth to a God but that does not negate the fact that the one who gave birth to the other is older and greater than the one given birth to this is simple logic your trinity doctrine has beclouded your senses.

does a snake give birth to a lesser snake?
Does a lion give birth to lesser lion?
If Jesus is God Almighty begotten son then Jesus is Almighty God.

Janosky:
Pls quote the Bible version with that expression "His origin is UNKNOWN..."
I have NEVER seen that expression in any bible whether online or offline.

the message is clear in Micah 5:2, ancient of days is synonymous to eternal, which mean His origin is UNKNOWN. the book of John 17 :5 explained it more. Jesus claimed to share the Glory with God before the world was created, doesn't it mean that His origin is unknown ? oh I forget, since that verse did not favor you, I guess its a fraud, right ?

blueAgent:
Why did the Bible say Jesus is the begetton son of God?

Jesus is the begotten Son of God because of his relationship with the father.

malvisguy212:
the message is clear in Micah 5:2, ancient of days is synonymous to eternal, which mean His origin is UNKNOWN. the book of John 17 :5 explained it more. Jesus claimed to share the Glory with God before the world was created, doesn't it mean that His origin is unknown ? oh I forget, since that verse did not favor you, I guess its a fraud, right ?

Micah 5:2 And you, O Bethʹle·hem Ephʹra·thah,+
The one too little to be among the thousands* of Judah,
From you will come out for me the one to be ruler in Israel,+
Whose origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago.

Are you making reference to this scripture?

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/micah/5/

And you, O Bethʹle·hem Ephʹra·thah, the one too little to get to be among the thousands of Judah, from you there will come out to me the one who is to become ruler in Israel, whose origin is from early times, from the days of time indefinite.

achorladey:
Micah 5:2 And you, O Bethʹle·hem Ephʹra·thah,+
The one too little to be among the thousands* of Judah,
From you will come out for me the one to be ruler in Israel,+
Whose origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago.

Are you making reference to this scripture?

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/micah/5/

And you, O Bethʹle·hem Ephʹra·thah, the one too little to get to be among the thousands of Judah, from you there will come out to me the one who is to become ruler in Israel, whose origin is from early times, from the days of time indefinite.

John 17 :5 say Jesus share the Glory with God before the world was. what does it mean ? NWT is devilish. let make this clear to you, if you don't know Jesus you do not know the true God.

malvisguy212:
@1) The message is clear in Micah 5:2, ancient of days is synonymous to eternal, which mean His origin is UNKNOWN.

@2) The book of John 17 :5 explained it more. Jesus claimed to share the Glory with God before the world was created, doesn't it mean that His origin is unknown ?

@1).
You're lying & promoting a FRAUD.
Micah5:2, says "his origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago".
That verse NEVER said Jesus is the Ancient of Days"
Daniel 7:13,14 says Jesus is son of man, NOT "Ancient of Days".


@2) John17:22,24, Jesus Christ says his Father gave him the glory because his Father loves him before the founding of the world".
Further PROOF he is God's son in heaven.

Note: John 17:1 Jesus prayed for the Father to give him the glory (proof he did not own it but it was granted to him. Compare John 11:41,42).

**#**

In heaven ,
@i)
Yahweh gave Jesus appointed Jesus as heir,gave him inheritance. Heb1:2-3.

@ii)
Yahweh granted Jesus authority. Matt28:18.

@iii)
Yahweh gave Jesus a name above other names. Phil2:9

@iv)
Yahweh granted life to Jesus. John5:26.

@v)
Yahweh is the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ. Ephesians 1:3,17. Rev3:12.




Proof : Jesus says his God and Father is the only true God. John 17:3.

solite3:
Jesus is the begotten Son of God because of his relationship with the father.

So you mean the relationship is that of father and Son?

solite3:
does a snake give birth to a lesser snake?
Does a lion give birth to lesser lion?
If Jesus is God Almighty begotten son then Jesus is Almighty God.

I tire for your baseless argument.

Let's assume your father or my, was 30yrs when he gave birth to me or you in 25years time how old would you be and how old would your father be, are you two of the same age?

solite3:
Jesus was the servant of God

Good.
So tell me how is the Servant equal to the master?

malvisguy212:
in NATURE, does your son is less human than you ? why do you believe that God who is a transcendence being can Exist as a Godhead ?

genesis1:26
Then God said, "Let us make mankind in
our image, in our likeness...

The verse say "US" and then went on to say "IMAGE" if God is three separate being, the verse should've say images.

Isaiah 6:8
Then I heard the voice of the
Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send,
and who will go for US?" Then I said, "Here am I.
Send me!"

The verse say "WHOM SHALL I SEND" (ONE
GOD) and the verse continue "WHO WILL GO
FOR US" (three personalities)

The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God exists as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. However,these three persons are not three separate gods, but ONE GOD. This Trrinitarian concept of God might seem to be contradictory from a HUMAN
standpoint, but is perfectly logical from GOD'S EXTRADIMENSIONAL EXISTENCE. Anti-Trinitarian heresies elevate humans to the level of God or demote one or more persons of the Godhead to
non-God status. Don't fall into one of those traps!

Lies.

You just picked verse 8 of that chapter and left from verse 1 inorder to hide the truth.
For your information prophet Isaiah was the one who wrote that verse and it was him that told God to send him and not Jesus. God was the one speaking to Isaiah and the us there, was God referring to himself and his son.

For your information there is no where in the Bible that God the Father, God the son and God the Holyspirit is written.

Janosky:
@1).
You're lying & promoting a FRAUD.
Micah5:2, says "his origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago".
That verse NEVER said Jesus is the Ancient of Days"
Daniel 7:13,14 says Jesus is son of man, NOT "Ancient of Days".


@2) John17:22,24, Jesus Christ says his Father gave him the glory because his Father loves him before the founding of the world".
Further PROOF he is God's son in heaven.

Note: John 17:1 Jesus prayed for the Father to give him the glory (proof he did not own it but it was granted to him. Compare John 11:41,42).

**#**

In heaven ,
@i)
Yahweh gave Jesus appointed Jesus as heir,gave him inheritance. Heb1:2-3.

@ii)
Yahweh granted Jesus authority. Matt28:18.

@iii)
Yahweh gave Jesus a name above other names. Phil2:9

@iv)
Yahweh granted life to Jesus. John5:26.

@v)
Yahweh is the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ. Ephesians 1:3,17. Rev3:12.




Proof : Jesus says his God and Father is the only true God. John 17:3.

lol. the Glory that was SHARE TOGETHER BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, was given to Jesus by God ?

the FULLY HUMANLY Jesus pray to God the father does not make Him a less God .

yes, the Bible teaches that Jesus is a human, He ate, sleep and He Even feel pain as we do, But the Bible is NOT silent of the divine NATURE OF JESUS, ALL the attributes the father has Jesus has it.

malvisguy212:
Micah 5:2. say His origin is UNKNOWN , from TIME PAST , THE ANCIENT OF DAYS.

This does not mean that Jesus is God or has been existing all through eternity rather it shows that he was established to rule for eternity.
From this Bible verses we can see that Jesus has a beginning.

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten thee.

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, TO DAY have I begotten thee.

blueAgent:
Lies.

You just picked verse 8 of that chapter and left from verse 1 inorder to hide the truth.
For your information prophet Isaiah was the one who wrote that verse and it was him that told God to send him and not Jesus. God was the one speaking to Isaiah and the us there, was God referring to himself and his son.

For your information there is no where in the Bible that God the Father, God the son and God the Holyspirit is written.

we are not talking about the NATURE of Isaiah, we are talking about the NATURE of God. who made this statement ?

"WHOM SHALL I SEND" (ONE
GOD) and the verse continue "WHO WILL GO
FOR US" (three personalities)"

who is talking hear ? Isaiah ? why did the speaker switch from singularity to plural ?

in fact the baptism of Jesus present God the father and the son and the Holy spirit. and the father called Jesus the son.

blueAgent:
This does not mean that Jesus is God or has been existing all through eternity rather it shows that he was established to rule for eternity.
From this Bible verses we can see that Jesus has a beginning.

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten thee.

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, TO DAY have I begotten thee.

what manner of man is Jesus that He share the Glory with God before the world BEGAN ?

God forgive you . thank you.

Maximus69:
@bolded

The Bible explained that JEHOVAH created Jesus as his first work {Proverbs 8:22 compared to John 1:1}

lying false jw mad™ max of false understanding
Jesus created all thing that were created, nothing was created that Jesus didn't create:
Joh_1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:1 says nothing about Jesus being created, oh lying one, but in fact say's the word was God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 

Maximus69: but after that he started instructing Jesus on how to do the remaining {Genesis 1:3-27}, please take note of the one speaking and the other person responding/acting on the instructions Sir!

So after JEHOVAH created Jesus as his first born child, he used Jesus as the craftsman to create all other things! {Proverbs 8:30}

God's word tells us the Word created all things, but you false jw's added "other" to verses perverting your nwt

also pro 8:30 says nothing about Jesus creating all other thing, oh cannot stop lying false jw
Pro 8:30  Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;


God begat wisdom - the Word, who having always existed in God cannot be created
God cause his wisdom, His Word, to become a separate identical person to Himself
God(Father) and the Word, two persons of the one Spirit that is God

TATIME:
I supposed his so called friends (John 15:15) asked him a very important question that's disturbing their minds, and if truthfully Jesus himself is part of the so called THREE Godheads he should be in the best position to tell them either (1) We're not to disclose it. (2) It will cause some problems for you later.

But rather Jesus said ONLY the father knows and earlier before then he said the God of Israel is ONE God. Mark 12:29
Moreover Jesus said the same thing when they asked him the same question later! Act 1:7

No Sir, it's either Jesus is not a part of any Trinity, or he must be lying to his friends. And the Bible said the holy one of Israel CANNOT lie. Titus 1:2
So Jesus totally differs from that person who knows it all! Daniel 2:20

Maximus69:
I just love Jehovah's Witnesses and their higher intellect!

Please Tatime, is this what Jesus meant by saying the spirit will teach you how to answer critics? Luke 12:11-12

lying pharisee garbage man false jw tatime and ditto mad™ max
how duh, God of course is one God, but you polytheist false jw's say there is two god's, "god and "a god", almighty god and mighty god, pathetic
and in your confusion you now are saying there are three godheads, laughing, such confused know nothings

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

blueAgent:
Good.

So tell me how is the Servant equal to the master?

I didn't say the servant is greater than the master, You are arguing with yourself.
Jesus took upon himself the place of a servant so he can fulfill his mission

blueAgent:
I tire for your baseless argument.

Let's assume your father or my, was 30yrs when he gave birth to me or you in 25years time how old would you be and how old would your father be, are you two of the same age?

You are confusing youreelf, how can you compare God with man in time.
Jesus is the eternal Son of God that is, from all eternity of God's existence He had a Son while my father born in time so he also gives birth to a son in time but God is not so.
If you say the son has a beginning we can also inferred that the father has a beginning following your logic.

blueAgent:
This does not mean that Jesus is God or has been existing all through eternity rather it shows that he was established to rule for eternity.
From this Bible verses we can see that Jesus has a beginning.

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten thee.

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, TO DAY have I begotten thee.

see confusion.
You said Jesus is not God at the same time saying he is God.
Like begat like.
God cannot give birth to a son that is different from him.
If God is uncreated he will also give birth to an uncreated son. Anything short of this will mean his Son is not a begotten son.

johnw47:
oh duh, the verses are plain and clear and need no explanation, for instance verse 6 means
Jesus considered Himself equal to His Father, just like the verse shows

now seeing as you think the verses mean other than what they say
you tell me what you think they should mean

Chaii, how did any of these verses show that Jesus considered himself equal to God?
Abeg no mention me again biko, I know you are coming back to call me names na your way. Thanks

blueAgent:
Your argument is baseless.
Humans give birth to Humans, Lions give birth to Lions,Snakes give birth to snakes. it is logical for God to give birth to a God but that does not negate the fact that the one who gave birth to the other is older and greater than the one given birth to this is simple logic your trinity doctrine has beclouded your senses.

Waoo, never thought about it this way.
A God would only beget a God, this is interesting

blueAgent:
Good.

So tell me how is the Servant equal to the master?

He will come back to explain to you how the servant will also be the Oga at the same time, I weak for the reasoning of these people on this thread