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solite3:
go back and keep reading my post until you comprehend what I put down.

blueAgent:
And does your son been human with you make him your equal in age and authority?

malvisguy212:
are you sure you went to Sunday school class? this is like the same question Nicodemus ask Jesus " how can a man be born again ? to enter his mother womb and be born the second time?"

you need to seat down and ask who is Jesus ? the fact that He was given birth to a human mean He is human , and the fact that His origin is unknown mean He is God. He has two NATURE.Fully God and fully human, each nature is distinct to each other, there are things the Godly nature knows but human nature don't know.

if a spirit possessed you, there are things you do that when you ceme back to your humanely nature, you will deny ever doing it. Christ is a man that was possessed by God the son.

malvisguy212:
lol. the Glory that was SHARE TOGETHER BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, was given to Jesus by God ?

the FULLY HUMANLY Jesus pray to God the father does not make Him a less God .

yes, the Bible teaches that Jesus is a human, He ate, sleep and He Even feel pain as we do, But the Bible is NOT silent of the divine NATURE OF JESUS, ALL the attributes the father has Jesus has it.

solite3:
malachi3 :6 is about God character which is due to his nature not status.
He can be a servant but doesnt mean he stop being God.
Jesus didnt stop being Almighty God but he only added to him the form of a man.
As a man he was less than God but as God he was fully God.
Almighty God can limit himself on some certain things it doesnt mean he has stop been God.

He is a verse where God referred to himself as one who serves.
Does this not tell you that Almighty God can fufill the role of a servant although he is not?

Isaiah 43:24 Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to[/b] serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine sins.[b]

solite3:
see confusion.
You said Jesus is not God at the same time saying he is God.
Like begat like.
God cannot give birth to a son that is different from him.
If God is uncreated he will also give birth to an uncreated son. Anything short of this will mean his Son is not a begotten son.

blueAgent:
Crap, it's obvious you cannot explain your trinity doctrine so you resort to "there are things you cannot explain or understand" which is falsehood becos God has explicitly told us who he is,who Jesus is and the relationship between both of them but you trinitarians would ingnore that inorder to promote your fraud doctrine.

malvisguy212:
I ask you , what manner of man is Jesus that He should share the Glory with God before the world was , and instead of answering , you are explaining the meaning of glory to me. here what the Bible say :
Isaiah 42:8
“I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not
give my glory to anyone else, nor share my
praise with carved idols.

YET concerning Jesus, the Bible say:

John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your
presence with the glory I had with you
before the world began.

what manner of man is Jesus that He should share the Glory with God before the world was?

blueAgent:
And I ask you what is glory?

You just exposed yourself I thought Jesus and God are the same persons how come is Jesus asking the father to glory him with the glory they shared I thought it was only Jesus who was God and father at the same time,?

solite3:
bring proverb 8 as usual.
According to proverb 8, the person been referred to is a woman.
Is Jesus a woman?

solite3:
that confusion is from your reasoning.

You think begotten son means created son.
I want to aamsk you your father that creator?

malvisguy212:
you know the saddest thing about your question ? you ask questions as if English interpreted the Bible, no, Greek and Hebrew interprets scripture.

the Greek word for begotten is monogenes , it's explained the UNIQUE RELATIONSHIP of the father and son . take for example the sacrifice of Abraham and Isaac. Consider when God asked Abraham to
sacrifice his son Isaac as an offering.

God says to Abraham, “Take your son,
your ONLY[monogenes] son Isaac,
whom you love, and go to the land of
Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt
offering on one of the mountains of
which I shall tell you” (Gen. 22:2)

Isaac was the second born of Abraham, but why did God address Isaac as the ,ONLY SON ? If you
understand monogenes as a literal begetting,then God clearly got His facts wrong. However, if you
understand monogenes as a unique, one-of-a-kind relationship, then God can accurately describe Isaac his "only” or “only begotten” son. Isaac was the only son of the covenant.

solite3:
can God be created?

malvisguy212:
Matthew. 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,
baptizing them in the NAME of the Father and
of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

NAME, ( One God ) . with 3 personality ( The Godhead) . I could easily say 1×1×1=1 . but no, God is not bound on some mathematical law . but are you saying it is impossible for God to exist in more than 3 dimensional univers ? 3 in one entities cannot exist on earth, but in HEAVEN , it is very LOGICAL. we see the message in Genesis 1;26 Then God said, "Let US make mankind in OUR image, in our likeness...

One God created the univers, but are there not some kind of multiplicity in that vers ? don't be a reprobate mind. pick up the Bible and STUDY to show urself approved unto God..

solite3:
malachi3 :6 is about God character which is due to his nature not status.
He can be a servant but doesnt mean he stop being God.
Jesus didnt stop being Almighty God but he only added to him the form of a man.
As a man he was less than God but as God he was fully God.
Almighty God can limit himself on some certain things it doesnt mean he has stop been God.

He is a verse where God referred to himself as one who serves.
Does this not tell you that Almighty God can fufill the role of a servant although he is not?

Isaiah 43:24 Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to[/b] serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine sins.[b]

solite3:
that confusion is from your reasoning.

You think begotten son means created son.
I want to aamsk you your father that creator?

malvisguy212:
the son is not the father.

blueAgent:
Ok, So are the father and son of the same age?

blueAgent:
This is laughable. for a bill to be signed into law it requires the accent of the president of Nigeria, the speaker of the House and the Senate president now using your logic does it mean they are equal?

Janosky:
Why you dey LIE and deceive yourself?
When Malvis says "God is my Father",does Marvin mean that he is "equal with God "?

John 14:28
You have heard how I said to you, I go away, and come again to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go to the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

John 14:28. 20:17. 10:34-36.
Jesus proved that the Jews were lying.
Marvis pharisee is dubiously passing off the falsehood of unbelieving Jews as truth.

Point of emphasis :
"I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God"
His God is our God, therefore those Jews were lying against Jesus in order to kill him. John 10:34-36.

malvisguy212:
hey!!! the father and the Son are Two DISTINCT person, there Role is in the Godhead are different .
The Son is "the express image of His (God’s) person
" ( Heb 1:3), meaning He answers exactly to God’s substance. All that God is He is.

the Jews Jesus had this argument with understand Jesus more than the cult you are defending ( Jehovah witness ) when Jesus address God as his father, this is what they say:
John Chapter 5
18 Therefore the Jews sought the
more to kill him, because he not
only had broken the sabbath, but
said also that God was his Father,
making himself EQUAL WITH GOD.

the Jews understand this verse more than you , unless you want to give heed to seducing doctrines of the devil, which I believed you already do

malvisguy212:
why do the Jews wanted to kill Him ?

malvisguy212:
hey!!! the father and the Son are Two DISTINCT person, there Role is in the Godhead are different .
The Son is "the express image of His (God’s) person
" ( Heb 1:3), meaning He answers exactly to God’s substance. All that God is He is.

the Jews Jesus had this argument with understand Jesus more than the cult you are defending ( Jehovah witness ) when Jesus address God as his father, this is what they say:
John Chapter 5
18 Therefore the Jews sought the
more to kill him, because he not
only had broken the sabbath, but
said also that God was his Father,
making himself EQUAL WITH GOD.

the Jews understand this verse more than you , unless you want to give heed to seducing doctrines of the devil, which I believed you already do

malvisguy212:
not at all my brother... does that make the son a less human ?

Janosky:
Why you dey LIE and deceive yourself?
When Malvis says "God is my Father",does Marvin mean that he is "equal with God "?

John 14:28
"You have heard how I said to you, I go away, and come again to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go to the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

John 14:28. 20:17. 10:34-36.
Jesus proved that the Jews were lying.
Marvis pharisee is dubiously passing off the falsehood of unbelieving Jews as truth.

Point of emphasis :
"I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God"
His God is our God, therefore those Jews were lying against Jesus in order to kill him. John 10:34-36.

blueAgent:
Simple that's all I want to hear. Do you know that without God, Jesus cannot exist?

malvisguy212:
am listening. ..

blueAgent:
First am not a Jehovah witness.
secondly
what does the word Godhead mean
and can it be used in place of the word
Trinity? The fact is there is no
relationship with the Trinity and the word
Godhead at all as you are about to find
out. Godhead refers to God the Father.
And making this issue a little more
confusing, Godhead is often a word used
by those with the non-Trinitarian truth
for lack of a better word to use in
opposition to the word Trinity.
More and more Trinitarians are using the
word Godhead in place of Trinity
thinking that changes what it is. But
calling the Trinity by another name will
never change what it is. You can call a
cat a dog but it will still be a cat. And
you can call the Trinity the Godhead but
it will still be the Trinity!
The word Godhead is found in 3 verses
in the King James Bible which are
translated from three different Greek
words that have slightly different
meanings but all basically mean the
same thing.
In Acts 17:29 the Greek word translated
Godhead is “theios” (G2304) and means
to be godlike and hence divine.
Acts 17:29 KJV “Forasmuch then as we
are the offspring of God, we ought not to
think that the Godhead is like unto gold,
or silver, or stone, graven by art and
man's device. ”
The same Greek word is used in the
verse below but has been translated to
the word “divine.”
2 Peter 1:3 KJV “According as his divine
power has given unto us all things that
pertain unto life and godliness, through
the knowledge of him that has called us
to glory and virtue: ”
In Romans 1:20 the Greek word
translated Godhead is
“theiotēs” (G2305) and refers to the
divine nature.
Romans 1:20 KJV “For the invisible
things of him from the creation of the
world are clearly seen, being understood
by the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead ; so that they
are without excuse: ”
And in Colossians 2:9 the Greek word
translated Godhead is “theotēs” (G2320)
and means deity as in the state of being
God.
Colossians 2:9 KJV “For in him dwelleth
all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. ”
So the word Godhead speaks of the
“Divine nature” of the Father which has
been given to the Son and hence is in
the Son as we find in Colossians 2:9
above. Thus Jesus being the firstborn
over all creation (Colossians 1:15 ), and
being brought forth from the Father, He
has the same “Divine nature” as His
Father.
Colossians 1:19 KJV “For it pleased the
Father that in him should all fulness
dwell;”
Spirit of Prophecy is also very clear
which says. “The Father is all the fullness
of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to
mortal sight. ” — (E.G. White, BTS, March
1, 1906)
And so Christ being the Son receives this
fullness, “He [Christ] was not the Father
but in him dwelt all the fullness of the
Godhead bodily,” — (E.G. White, Lt8a,
July 7, 1890)
John 5:26 also tells us that the Father
gave life to His Son. “For as the Father
has life in himself; so has he given to the
Son to have life in himself. ” John 5:26 . If
Jesus had always existed alongside the
Father as the Trinity doctrine claims,
then God could not have given life to His
Son as He would have always had life.
But Scripture reveals this is impossible.
And so neither does the word Godhead
explain the non-Trinitarian position in
opposition to the word Trinity.

Janosky:
It's very obvious that Greek 'theotes' meaning divine nature has no correlation with Godhead.
The word "Godhead" was coined with the dubious intent to claim that God is 3 "heads" in one God.

malvisguy212:
hey!!! the father and the Son are Two DISTINCT person, there Role is in the Godhead are different .
The Son is "the express image of His (God’s) person
" ( Heb 1:3), meaning He answers exactly to God’s substance. All that God is He is.

the Jews Jesus had this argument with understand Jesus more than the cult you are defending ( Jehovah witness ) when Jesus address God as his father, this is what they say:
John Chapter 5
18 Therefore the Jews sought the
more to kill him, because he not
only had broken the sabbath, but
said also that God was his Father,
making himself EQUAL WITH GOD.

the Jews understand this verse more than you , unless you want to give heed to seducing doctrines of the devil, which I believed you already do

blueAgent:
Using your so called Greek translations will still not solve your problem for example.

Even if we change the words of that Bible verse to
Unique or special Son as your monogenes definition claims.
it still does not make Jesus equal with God becos it only told us the kind of Son Jesus is , which is a unique or special son, but it did not change the fact that God called Jesus his Son.


Here is the definition.

Monogenes has two primary definitions, "pertaining to being
the only one of its kind within a specific relationship" and
"pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in
kind". [1] Thus monogenēs (μονογενής) may be used both as
an adjective monogenēs pais , meaning unique and special. [2]
Its Greek meaning is often applied to mean "one of a kind, one
and only". Monogenēs may be used as an adjective . For
example, monogenēs pais means only child, only legitimate
child or special child. Monogenēs may also be used on its
own as a noun. For example, o monogenēs means "the only
one", or "the only legitimate child". [3]
The word is used in Hebrews 11:17-19 to describe Isaac , the
son of Abraham. However, Isaac was not the only-begotten