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| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:56am On Sep 04, 2019*. Modified: 10:46am On Sep 04, 2019 |
Today In History On this Day in 1993 - September 4 A Nigerian side featuring the likes of Kanu Nwankwo and Celestine Babayaro beat Sammy Kuffour's Ghana in an all-African U17 WC final. Courtesy: @FIFA 6 Likes
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| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Earthquake1: 10:03am On Sep 04, 2019 |
TheSuperNerd:Boring, this does not represent football in any way Seems like a global warming or world peace kind of thing |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:40am On Sep 04, 2019 |
edi287:I hope you do not think players reach their peak at 22 years. You have to look beyond 25 years. In this case, if a team comes to buy Nacho, they are buying the signed contract unless City is ready to terminate the clause. I doubt City is ready to drop the clause. So any club signing Nacho will have accept the clause. It is not a today forecast but a long term deal. Unless City are willing to forego it which I doubt. This is not a 10m clause but 50m. Keep in mind how much Leicester City signed him which is well over the 10m. |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:42am On Sep 04, 2019 |
Earthquake1:You do not think they care. It is not whether they care or not. There is a contract Leicester City signed with City. Selling Nacho will involve tackling the contract clauses. That is what makes the deal not like normal shipping a player away. Not what you feel. |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:43am On Sep 04, 2019 |
TheSuperNerd:Wow. See how young Wilson Oruma looked. |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:45am On Sep 04, 2019 |
edi287:I am saying if a club wants to buy Nacho, they have to agree to have the 50m buy back clause in the new contract. |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:45am On Sep 04, 2019 |
charlesemeka85:Connor is in the Wolves team to keep the English quota and not expose the Mendes project for Portuguese sourced players. Fikayo was the stand out CB in the Championship last season. He played almost every single game for Derby that's a full season of top level football. IMO the Championship is the highest quality 2nd tier league in Europe. Clearly the most financially buoyant 2nd tier league in Europe. Where players from first tier league regularly come in. Considering that a Championship club can pay near £40 million for a striker, Stoke has over 7 players on £50k a week. That gives them the ability to attract players from top leagues across Europe. However, most European leagues have a huge disparities between the quality of players and finances between thier 2nd tier. I knew Connor when he was a youth player at Liverpool. He is not technically better, he is certainly not faster and he is not stronger, Statistically speaking he is not better. So how did you conclude Connor is better than Fikayo❓ Do you know that Dominic Iorfa was rated higher than Connor before Mendes took over the club and brought in Nuno and the contingent of Portuguese sourced players. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:52am On Sep 04, 2019 |
Joebie:Agreed without reservation. Eze much to my displeasure was invited into the SE consideration set up about April 2017 along with Maja. He should have been capped ages ago, how many Arsenal first team games had Iwobi played before being capped. Not Rohr's fault it's the behind the scenes politics and jostling that always goes in. Particularly because English Nigerian boys dont understand the word settlement. |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by kennysville(m): 10:54am On Sep 04, 2019 |
TheGoodJoe:Goodjoe, I respect your analyses but please dont let your loyalty to Man City cloud your objectivity. The reason people got to be bashing Iheanacho left right and center was because of these kinds of statements you been making on his behalf. Buy back clause already pegged Iheanacho's future with the proposition that if he hammers in leicester and there are bids for him in the excess of 50mil, they (man city) will be the first buying option. However we dont know whether it is for the rest of Iheanacho's playing career or for the duration of his contract with Leicester. In which case, it makes sense for Iheanacho to see out his contract with Leicester and thus become a free agent. The buy back clause the way I see it is a way of man city trying to eat their cake and have it at the same time. Either way he has been peggged to 50 million pounds and thats the maximum they will pay to Leicester in case Iheanacho hits crazy form and leicester wants to cash it in. In my opinion, I think it works for Iheanacho to read contracts properly and know what he is setting himself up for. While career wise, it might seem dumb for him to remain at leicester, he can never be his own man as long as the contract is on. He indirectly remains the property of Man City if he plays well. If yall see what I am talking about, Iheanacho's career became a business transaction. Period! Yall can call him names , say he is unserious and all that. I hope the picture I painted is clearer |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by edi287: 10:56am On Sep 04, 2019 |
TheGoodJoe:LOL no that's not how it works. Once City passes up on it, that's the end of it. Either they activate it or pass up on it |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 10:58am On Sep 04, 2019 |
Na wa ooooo, Nigeria is masssacring South Korea. See beating  1 Like |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:12am On Sep 04, 2019 |
Humility017:Lol..there u go again...trying to make excuses for Rohr. Was it not Rohr himself that invited Ebere Eze to the team camp in London in 2017? Suddenly he didn't call him up again because his assistants told him not to... Hope u are aware that some of the assistants in the team were recommended by Rohr himself ? Foreign assistants... the fitness trainer and another goalkeeper coaches were recommended by him...even the team Video analyst is a foreigner.. 1 Like |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by kennysville(m): 11:15am On Sep 04, 2019 |
Danielnino00:He may not have liked what he saw of Ebere Eze then. With Gernot Rorh, you just never know |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:17am On Sep 04, 2019 |
edi287:@ bolded.. the thing about Brendan Rodgers is that he hardly has plans for his players... He is the kind of manager whose focus is more on team performance than individual players! ..once a player doesn't perform in his team,he will just drop him... I can give u a long list of players he wasted while at Liverpool. He lost his best player to barca and was totally clueless as to how to replace him.. he brought in Lambert and Balotelli... I feel sorry for Iheanacho.. if Rodgers feel he isn't good enough,he will rot on that Leicester bench..unless Vardy gets injured... that's the bitter truth . |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 11:20am On Sep 04, 2019 |
Technical director of English football I hail u. Coady is in wolves just to keep the English quota abi? Why didn't they retain iorfa or is he not English? komekn: 2 Likes |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:23am On Sep 04, 2019 |
In the wake of Tunisia lose to Puerto Rico, D tigers have secured an automatic ticket to Tokyo 2020 ! 2 Likes |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:25am On Sep 04, 2019 |
Meanwhile, Zambia have canceled their friendly with South Africa due to xenophobia attacks... unconfirmed report I got from a Zambian Liverpool fan has it that almost 40 Zambians have been killed in South Africa! 2 Likes |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 11:27am On Sep 04, 2019 |
Danielnino00:At least we won't exit empty handed. Now, let's go on to finish strong in the classification round. |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by kennysville(m): 11:30am On Sep 04, 2019 |
Danielnino00:Yeah... unconfirmed as you said! Highly untrue 1 Like |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by edi287: 11:33am On Sep 04, 2019 |
TheGoodJoe:Here is an article on buy back clauses Decoding the buy-back clause and how it works in football First ever buyback clause activated was way back in 1983. Harsh Biyani 08 Jul 2017, 16:18 IST Barcelona recently triggered the buy-back clause and got Gerard Deulofeu back from Everton for £10.5m Buy-back clauses are not that simple as they seem to be. They can get very complex at times and can be very easy as well. Let us start by understanding the buyback clause in a layman's term. It is a provision in a contract which gives the seller of the property the first option to repurchase the property under certain conditions. [b]For example, 'A' sells a house to 'B' and in the contract, inserts a buy-back clause. Now, when 'B' wants to sell the house to say 'C', he cannot do so before asking 'A'. 'A' has the first option of deciding whether he wants to buy back his house or not. If 'A' decides to buy back the house, he would have to pay a certain fee, stated in the contract, to 'B' to get back the property. If 'A' declines, 'B' is free to sell the house to 'C' or anyone else for a fee which both the parties agree upon. This is exactly how buy-back clause works in football with a few changes. The main purpose of inserting a buy-back clause in the transfer agreements is to give the selling club a sense of security of being able to repurchase a player should he excel in the future. The buyback clause has to be agreed before the player can make a transfer. It may or may not be removed after a certain time period or conditions depending on the contract agreed. No other club except the selling club can pay the fee agreed while negotiating and in maximum cases, the player would have to go back to the parent club when they call for him. The player does not have a say in it and is powerless. [/b] Manchester United have the option of re-signing Depay for £35m thanks to the buy-back clause option Buy-back clause is a good way for the player to showcase his talent rather than being wasted at the parent club. When a club feels that they have a good player at their disposal but are not able to utilise him up to his potential, but feel that the player would turn out to be good in the future, they sell the player to another club with a buy-back clause. This usually happens to the academy players who are unable to join the first team but have abilities that need proper nurturing. It does not happen in the case of older players because let’s face it, there is no sense in doing so also and in maximum cases, it does not happen. The buy-back clause is also used as a tool to make the selling club listen to the buying club. This is the best way for the smaller clubs to have players from the big clubs play for them. It is a win-win situation for all the parties concerned- the selling club, the buying club and the player, not to forget the agent as well. An interesting case happened in the 2014-15 season involving Toby Alderweireld, Atletico Madrid defender on loan to Southampton for the season. Both the clubs had an agreement that although being a loan deal, Southampton had the option of purchasing the defender for around £7m. Although it was not a buy-back clause, it did give the Saints the option of making the loan deal permanent. Now in the following summer transfer window, Tottenham bid £11.5m for the defender which Atletico accepted. Southampton wanted to exercise the option of making the loan deal permanent. It is believed that Atletico compensated Southampton so that the player could move to Spurs. Buy-back clause is not that easy as it sounds. The main complication arises when the parent club wants to take the player back. But at what fee? Like I said above, the fee is decided before the deal happens, but it’s not that simple. There can be different sets of fees included in the contract. Below are a few examples of how certain clauses work, - If the player is bought back in the first two summer transfer window, the parent club would have to pay say the agreed fee. But every window after that, the club would have to pay an extra £5m. - If the player is called up by the national team, an extra fee would have to be paid by the club. - If the player is a striker and scores 10+ goals in the 38 league matches, then some extra fee would be included. - If the player plays at least 60 minutes in 50% of all the matches- league, cups, European competition. Now you may wonder what happens if a third club comes along with a bigger offer than the original club was offering. For this, there is something known as a cancellation clause. This is also discussed during negotiations whether or not to be inserted it in the contract. If there is a cancellation clause included and the selling club pays the amount to the parent club, then the selling club can sell the player for a higher fee to the third (interested) club. Let us consider the Atletico and Saints case, which I mentioned above, to understand this better with a slight change. Let’s assume that Atletico sold Alderweireld to Saints with a buy-back and a cancellation clause included. Now, when Tottenham bid £11.5m for the player, the Saints, having the cancellation clause included, paid a certain fee to Atletico and then sold the player to Tottenham. Had the cancellation clause not been included, Southampton would not have the power to negotiate right away with Spurs because of the buy-back clause. They would have to wait for an answer from Atletico and then go ahead according to the circumstances. It is interesting to note that buy-back clauses are becoming more common than loan options. This is a good sign as it benefits the player the most. Suppose a player was sent on a season-long loan and after coming back from the loan spell, he is still unable to break into the first team. The player would have to start from scratch all over again when he is sent out on loan again to another team this time. This way the player keeps getting loaned and is never able to break into the first team. Luther Blissett was the 1st player to be bought back by Watford using the buyback clause The first example of buy-back clause being activated dates back to 1983 as reported by the Guardian. It involves England striker Luther Blissett. The player was sold by Watford to AC Milan in the summer of 1983. While in Milan, the striker scored just 3 goals in 22 appearances and there were rumours that Milan confused Blisset with John Barnes. Italian journalist, Gabriele Marcotti, however, believes that it was not true. Blissett was later sold back to Watford for £550,000 after spending one season in Italy. Now check this article on Nacho's move to Leicester But with the striker now poised to officially become a Leicester player, it has emerged that Manchester City have struck an agreement which will see them given the first option to re-sign the 20-year-old if he proves a success at the King Power Stadium. Iheanacho remains highly thought of at the Etihad Stadium, after progressing through the club's academy, and City have inserted a clause to buy him back for £50m. Leicester were happy to agree to the clause, as they will double their money in the event of the forward proving a massive hit in the East Midlands. Kelechi Iheanacho scoring for Man City CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES It is understood that Leicester have secured Iheanacho's signature ahead of Tottenham Hotspur, West Ham United and Monaco, and the deal represents a huge coup for new manager Craig Shakespeare. Iheanacho, 20, could make his Leicester debut in Friday's friendly against Borussia Monchengladbach at the King Power Stadium.[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font] The buy back clause isn't what is stopping Nacho from moving. |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by jihday(m): 11:42am On Sep 04, 2019 |
edi287:I feel he thinks he's not better than what we have presently (Iwobi) which is true, but then he should have been invited even if na backup 1 Like |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 11:43am On Sep 04, 2019 |
Later dem go call me the Epistle King (which is true by virtue of my marathon writeups sometimes)... but just negodu... biko just see Edi287's post above me now... bia Edi... kilode naa? 3 Likes
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| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by edi287: 11:45am On Sep 04, 2019 |
TheSuperNerd:LOL sorry o. I copied more than I wanted to. No vex |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by jihday(m): 11:46am On Sep 04, 2019 |
TheSuperNerd:@ last picture is Peter Anosike, see U-17 years old boy laps as E thick 1 Like |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by edi287: 11:47am On Sep 04, 2019 |
jihday:I mean with the options we have outwide at the moment - this is understandable. I'm talking about when he played Iwobi outwide. Eze would've been a great option through the middle. I still think we need him. 1 Like |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 11:48am On Sep 04, 2019 |
edi287:How can I vex when this below happened moments ago... Hehehehehehe... Son of Man is excited  4 Likes
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| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by edi287: 11:51am On Sep 04, 2019 |
TheSuperNerd:LOL guess I'm lucky. Good win for ndi tigers. |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 12:29pm On Sep 04, 2019 |
Bonaventure Dennis gets late Super Eagles call-up 6 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 12:33pm On Sep 04, 2019 |
Mk una chill for this Eze matter abeg. Eze tell una say him no Wan play for super eagles? Abi Rohr tell una him no dey monitor him? Players that play u21 competitions for their country of birth change allegiance so what's the fuss about? edi287: |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:16pm On Sep 04, 2019 |
kennysville:Just say you get my point than trying to spin it with the Manchester City loyalty talk. My discussion was a possibility of Iheanacho being tied down at Leicester City due to the contract he signed. What you are typing just emphasises my point. I am not defending or supporting Manchester City in anyway. I am just explaining how I see things. Finito. |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by edi287: 1:26pm On Sep 04, 2019 |
charlesemeka85:The earlier the better. Simple. Integrate the guy before 2022 WC. |
| Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:33pm On Sep 04, 2019 |
cc: edi287 From the article you posted. Buy-back clauses are not that simple as they seem to be. They can get very complex at times and can be very easy as well. Buy-back clause is not that easy as it sounds. The main complication arises when the parent club wants to take the player back. But at what fee? Like I said above, the fee is decided before the deal happens, but it’s not that simple. There can be different sets of fees included in the contract. Below are a few examples of how certain clauses work, - If the player is bought back in the first two summer transfer window, the parent club would have to pay say the agreed fee. But every window after that, the club would have to pay an extra £5m. - If the player is called up by the national team, an extra fee would have to be paid by the club. - If the player is a striker and scores 10+ goals in the 38 league matches, then some extra fee would be included. - If the player plays at least 60 minutes in 50% of all the matches- league, cups, European competition. So what are you still trying to argue? There are factors in that contract that will make it not easy for Leicester City to farm out Nacho like that. They must meet a certain criteria or City can take Nacho below what Leicester City paid. From the bolded above, you can clearly see that it is not as easy as selling a player without a contract linking him to a selling club. Especially with Leicester City not given Nacho room to prove himself. Finito. |
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