MPSA:

Man! Read the comment of OP once again, And tell me where I am supporting this Looters and Criminals,I never Supported anyone, You just want to blame me for No reason, I am talking about the OP Statement, You must also read his link and tell me where I Promote this Bad Behavior

Tell your People to grow up and stop being lazy,they should embrace hardwork and be serious with their lives......This should be last time you attack Nigerians again and loot their shops,we are very angry now.it took the intervention of Police and some well respected elites not to retaliate this dastardly act....once again warn your people

mrvitalis:
Then what do u say about the twit and post from south africans all over the internet

What are u trying to achieve ...if u spent 20 years in south africa u should know tanzanians are the ones who sell drugs on the street

U havent said ur mind open up let the hate out

Nwoke Mbaise! Ikaraka. I stopped reading the trash from the middle.

MPSA:

Oooh Please, Don't use me for your downfalls, Read his link in order to understand him very well, And tell me where I fit in on that

Look at this one.....just stop behaving like animals, grow up

Samson0599:

Look at this one.....just stop behaving like animals, grow up

I don't like the fact that my post gave a guy like this the chance to run mouth.. but pls, stop replying him.. I wish seun should vlock Every South African IP-address through country blocking at a time like this

In the prelude to these attacks talks came out of SA and Nigeria suggesting that killings in SA are mostly Nigera vs Nigeria. That was when the ground work was being prepared.

Privateschoolre:


You see, we Nigerians are peace loving, when I saw the post too on one of our WhatsApp groups, I felt me fellow Nigerians need to know the other side of the story so as for us to thread with caution..

My post dont mean that there is no xenophobia, because it didn't start today, it has been going on for years.

Also, the fact that many south African hate Nigerians is not a lie too, so, while you may not support the looting, but your mocking here shows you are enjoying the situation, who knows, you might be among those guys who hate Nigerians..

The thing is, NIGERIANS SHOULD THREAD WITH CAUTION so as not to finally blame ourselves..

WE SHOULDN'T GO FROM the victims to being the criminal, we should show both South Africans and the world that we are better..

Is this too much to ask

Brother! I am Not mocking anyone here, The thing is: Nigerians think South Africans give them hard time for No reason, I was also Clueless like them, Till you come with this important information, Telling them, They are also part of the Problem, Most of them don't Believe they are part of the Problem, They are crying like innocent ones, Not all Nigerians are Trouble Makers, You are the prove of that, I respect you for your honest opinions, Your link also answered many questions Thanks Brother

Privateschoolre:
Pls disregard anything from MPSA,he is a troll..

OK thanks

MPSA:

Brother! I am Not mocking anyone here, The thing is: Nigerians think South Africans give them hard time for No reason, I was also Clueless like them, Till you come with this important information, Telling them, They are also part of the Problem, Most of them don't Believe they are part of the Problem, They are crying like innocent ones, Not all Nigerians are Trouble Makers, You are the prove of that, I respect you for your honest opinions, Your link also answered many questions Thanks Brother

It seems you don't know the smiley you use is a laughing smiley, that itself is mocking..

I mean this smiley

That smiley in this kind of discussion is mockery

Samson0599:

Tell your People to grow up and stop being lazy,they should embrace hardwork and be serious with their lives......This should be last time you attack Nigerians again and loot their shops,we are very angry now.it took the intervention of Police and some well respected elites not to retaliate this dastardly act....once again warn your people

You have good points but you're directing them to a wrong person, Tell your People all that stuff No one is promoting this Looters, The sooner you understand that, The better, Don't disrespect My People Please

Privateschoolre:
[4/9, 6:49 am] ***: Hmmm.


This is deep!
The reason I am skeptical about trending things. There is always one sided narrative.

Thanks for sharing, it is informative. I have a sibling in South Africa and he tells me things too.
[4/9, 6:50 am] ***: Someone in Capetown also told me they only see the stuffs on TV like us too.
[4/9, 6:51 am] ***: May ALLAAH save us from persuading narrative. And when you raise an alarm, you become the target for attacks.

These are testimonies from where I copied this from, the thing is that, surely they would be some xenophobia involved and some hate in some places, but it's not as we have been believed to see it...

I sincerely urge for caution so as not to blame ourselves later on.. the truth is, informations in the world now have two sides to it, and to get correct information now really is difficult

I don't know why you glorify the OP without asking yourself why the nig and SA governments are not aware of this so called truth but all reactions from every quarter is that the killings are xenophobic.

What about all the videos and tweets by SAs saying they don't want Nigerians because they were stealing their jobs and women and also into crime?

You see my take on all this is that SAs are only trying to save the future of their children by making sure foreigners especially Africans do not exploit their lack of education, a fall out of the apartheid, to hijack their economy. The generation after them would be educated and should still find their country available then.

This is an eye opener for Nigerians to begin demand for good good leadership from their leaders

Gandollaar:
I don't know why you glorify the OP without asking yourself why the nig and SA governments are not aware of this so called truth but all reactions from every quarter is that the killings are xenophobic.

What about all the videos and tweets by SAs saying they don't want Nigerians Because They Were Stealing Their Jobs And Women and also into crime?

You see my take on all this is that SAs are only trying to save the future of their children by making sure foreigners especially Africans do not exploit their lack of education, a fall out of the apartheid, to hijack their economy. The generation after them would be educated and should still find their country available then.

This is an eye opener for Nigerians to begin demand for good good leadership from their leaders

The bolded is the primary reason, the crime own is even secondary... According to the info I got ,they are always angry seeing Nigerians with their women,you know Nigerians spend for their girls in any days or outing, the thing is paining them to the bone

Privateschoolre:
Everyone, I have modified my post, to explain my situation, pls, I don't support xenophobia

That's the problem I have with your type of Nigerians.
This Xenophobic attacks are not just on Nigerians but on all foreigners but you shamelessly turned this to drugs.
There is no drug dealer in a any country without a strong link to a top indigenous politician in that country. How can drugs be ferried across the immigration and trades on well-known streets before policemen, yet you claim Nigerians are the cause?
The so called SA driver was killed by a Tanzanian but your ilk claimed it was by a Nigerian drug lord.
Bros stop being shallow as the issue has gone international as even Pakistans, Zimbabweans, Kenyans and a whole lot of other foreigners are being killed.

Abeg, who as finish reading this rubbish?!

I have spent some number of years in SA, believe me when i say that an average south African has Xenophobia.. It's the tendency of extreme fear toward meeting a stranger. I got to know this when i visited a friend in Cape Town. we took out time to hang out in a bar. Some South Africans were sitting with their cohorts, In minute of seeing us , they knew we were foreigners. They were suddenly exposed to this new character. Prior to this, they were calm as a millpond . They broke out in cold sweat as if they just had a bath, their heart raced. It took the intervention of the bar bouncers to whitening their red eyes. Then i realized the deadly effect of xenophobia in South Africa.... I ask myself what could be the reason for this uncultured attitude that can only be ascribe to the plain Indians of ancient primitive societies? I found out that the major causes is economic Distress ....South Africans see foreigners with businesses and they don't know how they got their money. They are full of envy when they see a successful foreigner doing well for themselves. Nigerians are not left out. They are mostly seen with the most beautiful girls and lucrative ventures. If you are in SA and you look successful u are in danger of xenophobia trust me.

juvewalex:
Bro, I just tire for some Nigerians trying to justify unjustifiable...

Exactly. Oh my! Another chatterbox in that link below. Just imagine what this schrepp be saying in that link below. Trying so hard to either be or stay relevant with the xeno bullshit & cowurine. Smh!
https://www.nairaland.com/5397918/wish-kill-all-igbos-over

justtoodark:



look,most of us nigerians know this stuffs already....

when you lived abroad,we know what you are sayin is true....

but not all nigerians are into drugs stuff....

this was what we were tryin to explain to south africans for years....

we dont care about criminal nigerians....what bothers us is innocent nigerians caught in the cross fire....

innocent nigerians like you....your life is worth defendin....thats all we are sayin....


south africans must learn to differentiate....

lebanese were caught red handed and nigerians didnt go on rampage attackin all lebanese people....

chinese were caught red handed in kenya and kenyans didnt go on an rampage attackin all chinese....

south africans must learn....

The way you can differentiate killers Fulani hesmen from innocent Fulani? My brother one bad child brought bad name to the whole family. What's happening over there is not good if it's happening really but our brothers caused it all if all we're reading and hearing were to be truth.

darelar:


The way you can differentiate killers Fulani hesmen from innocent Fulani? My brother one bad child brought bad name to the whole family. What's happening over there is not good if it's happening really but our brothers caused it all if all we're reading and hearing were to be truth.

i know its hard,but they must still try or else things will get much much worse....

i dont think innocent nigerians will accept been killed much longer....

hey,you didnt see the video were they started carrying cutlass....??

before you know they will start killin south africans in south africa....

when they have nothing to loose no more then it will become,you kill me,i kill you.....

Privateschoolre:


It seems you don't know the smiley you use is a laughing smiley, that itself is mocking..

I mean this smiley

That smiley in this kind of discussion is mockery

No, No, No, I smile because you make me happy, You are the most Honest Guy here I have so many reasons to Show happiness since you are the only honest guy here This isn't mocking, This a sign of happiness, You make me happy Man, My Honest Brother

Gandollaar:
I don't know why you glorify the OP without asking yourself why the nig and SA governments are not aware of this so called truth but all reactions from every quarter is that the killings are xenophobic.

What about all the videos and tweets by SAs saying they don't want Nigerians because they were stealing their jobs and women and also into crime?

You see my take on all this is that SAs are only trying to save the future of their children by making sure foreigners especially Africans do not exploit their lack of education, a fall out of the apartheid, to hijack their economy. The generation after them would be educated and should still find their country available then.

This is an eye opener for Nigerians to begin demand for good good leadership from their leaders

You say your take is that they're trying to save for the future of their children but this is certainly not true. See, the real thing here is simply hate of foreigners coupled with poverty. The area in SAs economy that foreigners dominate is the retail sector. Manufacturing sector is dominated by South Africans mostly the whites and Indians. The skilled jobs sector is still dominated by South Africans mostly the blacks and coloured who work under companies. Few foreigners can be found here because lots of policies are there to preserve these jobs for citizens hence foreigners with skills mostly start their little workshops and build it to bigger volumes making more money than salary earners. Retail trading and smaller services rendering businesses is where foreigners have cashed in big. This is where most South Africans get confused because they think it's not fashionable plus they shy away from facing the resilience required to run and grow such businesses. Now, for foreigners taking their women, it's quite laughable. See an average South African feels no foreigner is entitled to their women. This is certainly not possible except where there's no interaction. Contact brings rapport which in turn grows to intimate relationships especially when money is being spent. A typical South African guy will like you if you declare drinks for him and lots of girls to enjoy themselves but when you demand for one of those girls his countenance will change. There's a particular incident like that where the SA guy lied to a Nigerian that a particular girl was his friend and therefore should be free to entertain them only for the Nigerian guy to spend a lot of money buying drinks and when it was time to go, the SA guy started to torment trouble claiming the girl was his girlfriend and that they were even cohabiting. That was quite annoying so the Nigerian played his own game too by offering to give the girl R2000 if she would follow him. The SA guy started crying. It was a spectacular sight. The girl was willing to follow the Nigerian guy. This is one of such scenarios there. You'll never hear that a foreigner raped any SA girl; why is that? Because everything is done by choice yet they lament. Instances are numerous that can't be exhausted. Deep in their townships, foreigners mostly Somalians and Ethiopians own grocery shops then you ask why they couldn't run it themselves and there's no reason they can give you. Who's to blame for this?

Yujin:

You say your take is that they're trying to save for the future of their children but this is certainly not true. See, the real thing here is simply hate of foreigners coupled with poverty. The area in SAs economy that foreigners dominate is the retail sector. Manufacturing sector is dominated by South Africans mostly the whites and Indians. The skilled jobs sector is still dominated by South Africans mostly the blacks and coloured who work under companies. Few foreigners can be found here because lots of policies are there to preserve these jobs for citizens hence foreigners with skills mostly start their little workshops and build it to bigger volumes making more money than salary earners. Retail trading and smaller services rendering businesses is where foreigners have cashed in big. This is where most South Africans get confused because they think it's not fashionable plus they shy away from facing the resilience required to run and grow such businesses. Now, for foreigners taking their women, it's quite laughable. See an average South African feels no foreigner is entitled to their women. This is certainly not possible except where there's no interaction. Contact brings rapport which in turn grows to intimate relationships especially when money is being spent. A typical South African guy will like you if you declare drinks for him and lots of girls to enjoy themselves but when you demand for one of those girls his countenance will change. There's a particular incident like that where the SA guy lied to a Nigerian that a particular girl was his friend and therefore should be free to entertain them only for the Nigerian guy to spend a lot of money buying drinks and when it was time to go, the SA guy started to torment trouble claiming the girl was his girlfriend and that they were even cohabiting. That was quite annoying so the Nigerian played his own game too by offering to give the girl R2000 if she would follow him. The SA guy started crying. It was a spectacular sight. The girl was willing to follow the Nigerian guy. This is one of such scenarios there. You'll never hear that a foreigner raped any SA girl; why is that? Because everything is done by choice yet they lament. Instances are numerous that can't be exhausted. Deep in their townships, foreigners mostly Somalians and Ethiopians own grocery shops then you ask why they couldn't run it themselves and there's no reason they can give you. Who's to blame for this?

south african girls dont give a hut....

they will go with any black man that can provide for them and respect them....

Yujin:

You say your take is that they're trying to save for the future of their children but this is certainly not true. See, the real thing here is simply hate of foreigners coupled with poverty. The area in SAs economy that foreigners dominate is the retail sector. Manufacturing sector is dominated by South Africans mostly the whites and Indians. The skilled jobs sector is still dominated by South Africans mostly the blacks and coloured who work under companies. Few foreigners can be found here because lots of policies are there to preserve these jobs for citizens hence foreigners with skills mostly start their little workshops and build it to bigger volumes making more money than salary earners. Retail trading and smaller services rendering businesses is where foreigners have cashed in big. This is where most South Africans get confused because they think it's not fashionable plus they shy away from facing the resilience required to run and grow such businesses. Now, for foreigners taking their women, it's quite laughable. See an average South African feels no foreigner is entitled to their women. This is certainly not possible except where there's no interaction. Contact brings rapport which in turn grows to intimate relationships especially when money is being spent. A typical South African guy will like you if you declare drinks for him and lots of girls to enjoy themselves but when you demand for one of those girls his countenance will change. There's a particular incident like that where the SA guy lied to a Nigerian that a particular girl was his friend and therefore should be free to entertain them only for the Nigerian guy to spend a lot of money buying drinks and when it was time to go, the SA guy started to torment trouble claiming the girl was his girlfriend and that they were even cohabiting. That was quite annoying so the Nigerian played his own game too by offering to give the girl R2000 if she would follow him. The SA guy started crying. It was a spectacular sight. The girl was willing to follow the Nigerian guy. This is one of such scenarios there. You'll never hear that a foreigner raped any SA girl; why is that? Because everything is done by choice yet they lament. Instances are numerous that can't be exhausted. Deep in their townships, foreigners mostly Somalians and Ethiopians own grocery shops then you ask why they couldn't run it themselves and there's no reason they can give you. Who's to blame for this?

Hmmm.. this is deep

*PERSPECTIVE*

SENT AS RECEIVED.
Madam Zara, My sister, I know you think differently and you love truth, so please let me share a perspective with you.

I know the SA thing is paining you as you say, also me too. But please hear my perspective:

I have lived in SA for almost 20 years.

What you see as pure xenophobia is actually community Vigilantism gone wrong or hijacked by criminals.

Some of the shops looted and destroyed are actually covers for a serious crime.

Some of our brothers take over entire areas and turn them into drug markets. But because the law in SA does not allow police to arrest criminals unless with evidence or unless shot at, so what happens is the drug guys hide these drugs in shops, restaurants etc and use as a face.
There are up to 30 public "drug" markets in Joburg alone. These are areas where 50 to 200 Nigerians converge on street corners to sell drugs. That's just in Johannesburg, and excludes other places.
The community knows and they try to inform the police. Sometimes these guys get arrested and bribe their way out when it fails the community takes laws into their hands.

Nigerians are not being targetted per se. The target is street drug dealers and yahoo boys who are mostly Nigerian.

Personally, in an area of Johannesburg, some years ago, drug dealers almost took over my property. We bought it and in the process of renovation, they invaded it and turned it into a drug hotel. It took God to evict them without being killed. It was led by Nigerians. In that property, there were families with women and children.

One strategy of selling drugs is to befriend young secondary school.Girls and introduce them. They get hooked and they start stealing and prostitution to feed the habit. Soon the entire area deteriorates.
Now, why I am sharing this with you is that the drug dealers are distracting attention. They are trying to make the Nigerian Government arise in anger and defend "Nigerians" ie defend drug dealers. if they succeed, they'd have staged a powerful coup. They'd have entered an official mafioso level, protected by Government.

Please see the article below: The Nigeria ambassador to SA said the majority of killings are perpetrated by fellow Nigerians. It's a drug turf war. he is right. I know some who've been killed.

So how can we accuse others of killing us when we are perpetrating it?

Those videos and pictures circulating of Nigerians in SA- how is it that we are shown only in the light of guys on the street? I know top Robotics engineers in SA, I know people in Top IT firms, developers, in Amazon, Google etc, I know top bankers, property company owners, many doctors, Superintendent of hospitals, professors, Pastors, etc.

So in summary here are my thoughts

- A vast majority of upright Nigerians in SA are very comfortable. They are doctors, teachers, business owners, etc. If we don't get the right story, we can set off a diplomatic war, everything collapses and these guys become targets. Currently, they are not being targetted by anyone. many are married to South Africans. Some head Government agencies and private companies.

- Yes, there are some xenophobic South Africans, but just like we fought against stigmatizing Fulani, we must also fight against stigmatizing South Africans. There are VERY many good South Africans, who don't buy into any form of oppression. Let us encourage our government to join with the South African Government and carry out a security raid on drug dealers.

If the Government announces this, you will see they will flee because they'll know the cover is blown! xenophobic attacks will reduce 95%.

The biggest donation event in the history of SA was in 2007 when people gave to victims of xenophobic attacks. The amount given was a record. It shows that the nation is not buying into that mindset.

- Please use your powerful platform to create a voice for good Nigerians in SA. You will be surprised. Many are afraid to talk because even Nigerian organizations in SA are infiltrated and even controlled by drug dealers and kingpins. No one wants to be killed. These guys are very powerful.

- These same guys being paraded as Nigerians under attack are the same guys who HATE everything PMB stands for. If you visit their hag outs (we sometimes buy food there) and talk about Buhari, they can kill you, literarily. Why? because they hate what he stands for and they hate that he is saying we should become good citizens.

- Communities fighting to save themselves should not.be hushed but.helped to do it in a better way. Not jungle justice.
- Yes the SA Government must not also be left without responsibility in the matter, they should be tasked to step up their game too. While Nigeria targets drug dealers and yahoo buys, South Africa should target miscreants and criminals in a joint operation. SA Government also needs to purge bad eggs in its police force who are compromised. It Also needs to take its own share of blame for unemployment, poverty and economic challenges and social issues that allow drugs to be demanded.

I close with a prophecy by Pa Elton

"Africa is like a gun, Nigeria is like a trigger, South Africa is like a barrel

South Africa will be free. It will partner with Nigeria.

When that happens, Africa will arise and lead the world in many ways."

This prophecy was given in the hight of apartheid when it seemed impossible. Today it is half done South Africa has more bilateral agreements with Nigeria than any other nation on earth. We MUST NOT allow miscreants and criminals on both sides to hinder it, because if our national relationship fails, Africa will fail.

This is Buhari's "Mandela" moment. Will he rise up and shake off the pain and anger and mobilize Africa to unify or will he take a position that reverses the building of unity? I think he will do the right thing by God's grace, but I also believe publicizing the truth will help him and citizens.

I am open to discuss with you further on this matter, and if you feel the need to publish the above anonymously, please feel free. And if you want to do a tour to SA, I'll host you and we can go out and do a strategic mapping. I'll show you things that will make you see another perspective.
https://allafrica.com/stories/201808140022.html

God bless you, madam.

This is not the first time I'm seeing this write up in different names. It's just another lie to justify that dastardly act.

Privateschoolre:
Below is the account of someone residing in South Africa:

Alhaji Rasheed Sir,


- These same guys being paraded as Nigerians under attack are the same guys who HATE everything PMB stands for. If you visit their hag outs (we sometimes buy food there) and talk about Buhari, they can kill you, literarily. Why? because they hate what he stands for and they hate that he is saying we should become good citizens.



This is Buhari's "Mandela" moment. Will he rise up and shake off the pain and anger and mobilize Africa to unify or will he take a position that reverses the building of unity? I think he will do the right thing by God's grace, but I also believe publicizing the truth will help him and citizens.

I am open to discuss with you further on this matter, and if you feel the need to publish the above anonymously, please feel free. And if you want to do a tour to SA, I'll host you and we can go out and do a strategic mapping. I'll show you things that will make you see another perspective.

https://allafrica.com/stories/201808140022.html

Modified:: everyone, this post of mine was copied from a WhatsApp I belong to, and it doesn't mean there is no xenophobia and hate

What I am trying to pass is WE NIGERIANS SHOULD THREAD WITH CAUTION, AND LET US SHOW TGE WORLD WE ARE BETTER..

and the truth is, there are somethings going on in the background that we really don't..

Any South African who see this post as excuse for brutality or xenophobia shall meet his/her reward

Pls this is not a tribalistic post or so, I am a Nigerian and and I urge us to thread with caution and not let the media and politics play with our emotions through propaganda and false information..

Pls and pls, na beg I dey beg, let's ahow we are better than this..

when i read it up to here, i just knew the op is a yoruba buhari fan boy.

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duncun:
This is exactly what you wished for your propaganda post to achieve. You're the one mocking ppl here.

Privateschoolre:
Let us thread with caution, my fellow people, don't let us hurt ourselves thinking we are hurting others.. that's all my people

Why you changed your meaningful post, That post was the best, especially your link

Privateschoolre:


Even your yoruba isn't accurate, ooon shepe fumi Lori nkan ti mi o se, Kini wahala e na, nitori pe, mo so pe kee ni suru, ohun lo Sen fumi lepe.. oro yin Sumi Lori platform yii sha

I apologise. It seems you're Nigerian, his can you reason this way. Southie enmity against Nigeria has been since way back. I have marked them since Lucky Dube