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TheGoodJoe:
cc: edi287

From the article you posted.


Buy-back clauses are not that simple as they seem to be. They can get very complex at times and can be very easy as well.

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Buy-back clause is not that easy as it sounds. The main complication arises when the parent club wants to take the player back. But at what fee? Like I said above, the fee is decided before the deal happens, but it’s not that simple.

There can be different sets of fees included in the contract. Below are a few examples of how certain clauses work,

- If the player is bought back in the first two summer transfer window, the parent club would have to pay say the agreed fee. But every window after that, the club would have to pay an extra £5m.

- If the player is called up by the national team, an extra fee would have to be paid by the club.

- If the player is a striker and scores 10+ goals in the 38 league matches, then some extra fee would be included.

- If the player plays at least 60 minutes in 50% of all the matches- league, cups, European competition.

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So what are you still trying to argue? There are factors in that contract that will make it not easy for Leicester City to farm out Nacho like that. They must meet a certain criteria or City can take Nacho below what Leicester City paid.

From the bolded above, you can clearly see that it is not as easy as selling a player without a contract linking him to a selling club. Especially with Leicester City not given Nacho room to prove himself.

Finito.

TheGoodJoe:
cc: edi287

So, just as the price of the player can go up when he is doing well, the price can go on the negative for Leicester City when Nacho is not flourishing due to him not having ample opportunity to perform.

Let us say Norwich for instance wants Nacho, Leicester City will go to Manchester City for first refusal. If from the valuation, due to the contract clauses, the value is at 10m, Leicester City will not be willing to listen to Norwich.

So, it is not as easy as farming a player out.

edi287:
Nacho's buy back clause is simple and straight forward like most buy back clauses these days
Its quite simple really - if Nacho wants to leave - Leicester will let City know and if they want to activate it - they will. If not, they'll pass and Nacho can be sold to whomever.
All the factors you mentioned aren't part of all buy back clauses. We all know from reports that Nacho's is straight forward.
Nacho is not going for anything more than the 25m Leicester paid for him. Why would city activate a buy back clause double that amount?

edi287:
No that is wrong. Norwich can still get Nacho for that amount because his value has already depreciated anyway.
City are more than certain to pass on that clause if Nacho is to be sold on January. City do not have a sell on clause so they have nothing to gain from Nacho leaving either way.

TheGoodJoe:
Just say you get my point than trying to spin it with the Manchester City loyalty talk. My discussion was a possibility of Iheanacho being tied down at Leicester City due to the contract he signed. What you are typing just emphasises my point. I am not defending or supporting Manchester City in anyway. I am just explaining how I see things.

Finito.

komekn:
Connor is in the Wolves team to keep the English quota and not expose the Mendes project for Portuguese sourced players.

Fikayo was the stand out CB in the Championship last season. He played almost every single game for Derby that's a full season of top level football.

IMO the Championship is the highest quality 2nd tier league in Europe. Clearly the most financially buoyant 2nd tier league in Europe. Where players from first tier league regularly come in. Considering that a Championship club can pay near £40 million for a striker, Stoke has over 7 players on £50k a week.

That gives them the ability to attract players from top leagues across Europe.

However, most European leagues have a huge disparities between the quality of players and finances between thier 2nd tier.

I knew Connor when he was a youth player at Liverpool. He is not technically better, he is certainly not faster and he is not stronger, Statistically speaking he is not better.

So how did you conclude Connor is better than Fikayo❓

Do you know that Dominic Iorfa was rated higher than Connor before Mendes took over the club and brought in Nuno and the contingent of Portuguese sourced players.

kennysville:
Arent we all? Tone down the Iheanacho talk. It seems the only 2 topics you comment on is Iheanacho and Rorh. That seems to fuel the angst that people have towards the poor boy. God bless

kennysville:
Arent we all? Tone down the Iheanacho talk. It seems the only 2 topics you comment on is Iheanacho and Rorh. That seems to fuel the angst that people have towards the poor boy. God bless

TheGoodJoe:
From the article you posted.

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For example, 'A' sells a house to 'B' and in the contract, inserts a buy-back clause. Now, when 'B' wants to sell the house to say 'C', he cannot do so before asking 'A'. 'A' has the first option of deciding whether he wants to buy back his house or not. If 'A' decides to buy back the house, he would have to pay a certain fee, stated in the contract, to 'B' to get back the property. If 'A' declines, 'B' is free to sell the house to 'C' or anyone else for a fee which both the parties agree upon.

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As you can see, when Leicester City wants to sell, they will have to approach Manchester City and the clauses of the contract will decide the price Manchester City will buy or reject. With the way Leicester City have handled Nacho the valuation may not be in their favour. Thus making the deal not easy.

TheGoodJoe:
Buy-back clauses are not that simple as they seem to be. They can get very complex at times and can be very easy as well.

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This is from the article you posted. You posted. You posted. Do not pretend as if you can not read it.

The problem arises from if Nacho is to go. What cost will City have to buy. Not them activating the clause. If Leicester wants to sell to another club. City will have to first reject to buy Nacho before they can sell.

From the possibility of the clause of the contract, Leicester City have failed to help propel Nacho and City will have a possibility of a clause to buy at a lesser figure. Which Leicester will not want.

edi287:
There is nothing to "decide". The clause has been set at 50m. It's either City activates it or pass up on it. If Leicester gets an offer for Nacho from Norwich, they will ask City if they are interested in activating the clause or not.

edi287:
What are you taking about? Did you not see the article I posted that CLEARLY states the fixed amount of 50m that City can buy back Nacho for if they desire? Let me post it again in case you missed it

But with the striker now poised to officially become a Leicester player, it has emerged that Manchester City have struck an agreement which will see them given the first option to re-sign the 20-year-old if he proves a success at the King Power Stadium.

Iheanacho remains highly thought of at the Etihad Stadium, after progressing through the club's academy, and City have inserted a clause to buy him back for £50m. Leicester were happy to agree to the clause, as they will double their money in the event of the forward proving a massive hit in the East Midlands.

The same thing happened with Hermoso. Real Madrid passed up on the clause and Espanyol ended up selling him to Atletico Madrid.

edi287:
What are you taking about? Did you not see the article I posted that CLEARLY states the fixed amount of 50m that City can buy back Nacho for if they desire? Let me post it again in case you missed it

But with the striker now poised to officially become a Leicester player, it has emerged that Manchester City have struck an agreement which will see them given the first option to re-sign the 20-year-old if he proves a success at the King Power Stadium.

Iheanacho remains highly thought of at the Etihad Stadium, after progressing through the club's academy, and City have inserted a clause to buy him back for £50m. Leicester were happy to agree to the clause, as they will double their money in the event of the forward proving a massive hit in the East Midlands.

The same thing happened with Hermoso. Real Madrid passed up on the clause and Espanyol ended up selling him to Atletico Madrid.

TheGoodJoe:
The point is Nacho has not progressed mainly due to Leicester City's negligence. If they want to sell, they will go to City and City will have to work with the contract, determine a price to buy and it might not favor Leicester.

TheGoodJoe:
Can you show me where you saw fixed amount? The article you posted clearly gave an insight into how buy back clauses contract work and I have taken the liberty to expantiate it. What you are posting here is totally devoid of the point.

The point is Nacho has not progressed mainly due to Leicester City's negligence. If they want to sell, they will go to City and City will have to work with the contract, determine a price to buy and it might not favor Leicester.

TheGoodJoe:
cc: edi287

So, just as the price of the player can go up when he is doing well, the price can go on the negative for Leicester City when Nacho is not flourishing due to him not having ample opportunity to perform.

Let us say Norwich for instance wants Nacho, Leicester City will go to Manchester City for first refusal If from the valuation, due to the contract clauses, the value is at 10m, Leicester City will not be willing to listen to Norwich.

So, it is not as easy as farming a player out.

TheGoodJoe:
The point is Nacho has not progressed mainly due to Leicester City's negligence. If they want to sell, they will go to City and City will have to work with the contract, determine a price to buy and it might not favor Leicester.

TheGoodJoe:
Now, when 'B' wants to sell the house to say 'C', he cannot do so before asking 'A'. 'A' has the first option of deciding whether he wants to buy back his house or not. If 'A' decides to buy back the house, he would have to pay a certain fee, stated in the contract

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There can be different sets of fees included in the contract.

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This is from the article you posted. Leicester City can not ask Manchester City to activate a 50m fee when;

The player has not progressed under their watch
They will not get an offer over the 25m they paid
The player has not gotten enough playing time.

If these clauses are in the contract, just like the article stated of the player’s cost increasing as time goes by, it can reduce which will not make the deal attractive for Leicester but juicy for Manchester City.

Earthquake1:
You want to add another victim to Iheanacho's unseriousness?

First it was Puel and his system now its Leicester

edi287:
The clause is straightforward - 50m if City wants him back. Now let me show an example of forging a buy out albeit one that is a bit more complex...


Atletico Madrid confirm Mario Hermoso signing
By Football Espana staff

Atletico Madrid have completed the signing of Espanyol defender Mario Hermoso on a deal worth an initial €25m, it has been confirmed.

The transfer will include a further €4m in add-ons and the Catalan club will retain 20% of any future sale of the defender, with his previous €40m release clause negotiated upon.

It has been confirmed that Hermoso has penned a five-year contract at Atleti, with the deal coming within 24 hours of the club also confirming the arrival of right-back Kieran Trippier from Tottenham.

The centre-half follows Felipe Monteiro to Atleti, another central defender who joined from FC Porto in a €20m deal while left-back Renan Lodi has also arrived from Brazil.

It had initially been claimed that Espanyol were reluctant to sell for below the player’s release clause but the central defender’s insistence on wanting a move looks to have forced them into an agreement.

Hermoso only joined the Catalan club in 2017 from Real Madrid in a €400k deal while he had a contract until 2020 with a €40m release clause in place.

Madrid possessed a €15m buyback clause while they also still owned 50% of his rights, meaning they could have sign him for half that price, but have instead netted half of the transfer fee to Atleti.

Hermoso has won two caps for the Spain national team within the last year while he impressed for Espanyol across 35 first-team appearances this campaign.

Hermoso previously spent a season on loan at Real Valladolid in La Liga 123.

Earthquake1:
First refusal is not included in Iheanacho's contract

edi287:
City do not have to work out anything!! It's either they activate the clause or pass up on it. Simple.

edi287:
But with the striker now poised to officially become a Leicester player, it has emerged that Manchester City have struck an agreement which will see them given the first option to re-sign the 20-year-old if he proves a success at the King Power Stadium.

Iheanacho remains highly thought of at the Etihad Stadium, after progressing through the club's academy, and City have inserted a clause to buy him back for £50m. Leicester were happy to agree to the clause, as they will double their money in the event of the forward proving a massive hit in the East Midlands.
50m is the fixed amount City can buy him for whenever they please.

TheGoodJoe:
For example, 'A' sells a house to 'B' and in the contract, inserts a buy-back clause. Now, when 'B' wants to sell the house to say 'C', he cannot do so before asking 'A'. 'A' has the first option of deciding whether he wants to buy back his house or not.

If 'A' decides to buy back the house, he would have to pay a certain fee, stated in the contract, to 'B' to get back the property. If 'A' declines, 'B' is free to sell the house to 'C' or anyone else for a fee which both the parties agree upon.

Understand the point. This is an explanation of how the contract works.

TheGoodJoe:
You can discuss the point or try to evade it. Your choice.

TheGoodJoe:
For example, 'A' sells a house to 'B' and in the contract, inserts a buy-back clause. Now, when 'B' wants to sell the house to say 'C', he cannot do so before asking 'A'. 'A' has the first option of deciding whether he wants to buy back his house or not.

If 'A' decides to buy back the house, he would have to pay a certain fee, stated in the contract, to 'B' to get back the property. If 'A' declines, 'B' is free to sell the house to 'C' or anyone else for a fee which both the parties agree upon.

Understand the point. This is an explanation of how the contract works.

TheGoodJoe:
Can you show me a place in the article you posted or another place where they said a fixed amount. Please, you just made that up.

I hope you know a contract is not a statement but could span pages with clauses.

TheGoodJoe:
Now, when 'B' wants to sell the house to say 'C', he cannot do so before asking 'A'.

edi287:
Seriously oga Goodjoe? Its right in your face. OK make I screenshot am this time.

TheGoodJoe:
Was the said player neglected by the club? Did the club limit the playing opportunity of the player in question? What you are posting here shows you are totally oblivious to the point. It is clear.