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MUSLIMS VERIFY MUFA'KHATHAT – THE LEGAL INCEST OF INFANTS
DECEMBER 6, 2013

This little newborn is old enough to be molested and sexually abused by an adult Muslim male. All accepted by ruling senior Imams who lay down the rules of Islamic laws.

Mufa'khathat – literally translated, it means "placing [penis] between the thighs" which means placing the male member between the thighs of a child.

The minimum recommend[ed] age for this noble Mohammedan practice is 3 months old although it is not strictly applied and can even be done on a newborn.

Mufa'khathat is connected to the practice of Mut'ah [sham sex marriages to conform with the Quran], discussed amongst others in Surat 65:4. Whether or not these practices have existed prior or only been added to the Quran in later years is irrelevant. What is relevant is to put a stop to it here and now. Clerics endorse them and they are therefore widely practiced today and sexually victimizes millions of small children in Muslim societies the world over.

And let us not forget: the West is officially endorsing it too and is equally responsible for child abuse in Muslim communities by allowing Islam to be freely practiced in the West. Islam needs to be banned so that honour murders, persecution of gays and minorities, incest and abuse can stop. Our contribution to this evil has to end.

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I sincerely hope that all well meaning Muslims will come and prove this is not happening in their religion and I don't mean Taqiyya.

وَاللَّائِي يَئِسْنَ مِنَ الْمَحِيضِ مِنْ نِسَائِكُمْ إِنِ ارْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلَاثَةُ أَشْهُرٍ وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ ۚ وَأُولَاتُ الْأَحْمَالِ أَجَلُهُنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ ۚ وَمَنْ يَتَّقِ اللَّهَ يَجْعَلْ لَهُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِ يُسْرًا
And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months, along with those who have it not. And for those with child, their period shall be till they bring forth their burden. And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah, He maketh his course easy for him.
this is the verse you quoted. what rubbish are you saying up there?
It is a shame what you people do. Is this what your religion taught you?

Ngasky:
وَاللَّائِي يَئِسْنَ مِنَ الْمَحِيضِ مِنْ نِسَائِكُمْ إِنِ ارْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلَاثَةُ أَشْهُرٍ وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ ۚ وَأُولَاتُ الْأَحْمَالِ أَجَلُهُنَّ أَنْ يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ ۚ وَمَنْ يَتَّقِ اللَّهَ يَجْعَلْ لَهُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِ يُسْرًا
And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months, along with those who have it not. And for those with child, their period shall be till they bring forth their burden. And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah, He maketh his course easy for him.
this is the verse you quoted. what rubbish are you saying up there?
It is a shame what you people do. Is this what your religion taught you?

We will discuss that Surah 65:4 later, the issue right now is whether Mufa' khathat is ever practised in Islam?

@Ngasky,

Since you could not come back to verify or deny the practise of Mufa'khathat in Islam lets address Surah 65:4 that you brought up and answer the questions that follow.

Chapter (65) sūrat l-ṭalāq (The Divorce)

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Sahih International: And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.

Pickthall: And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months, along with those who have it not. And for those with child, their period shall be till they bring forth their burden. And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah, He maketh his course easy for him.

Yusuf Ali: Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.

Shakir: And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.

Muhammad Sarwar: If you have any doubt whether your wives have reached the stage of menopause, the waiting period will be three months. This will also be the same for those who do not experience menstruation. The end of the waiting period for a pregnant woman is the delivery. God will make the affairs of one who fears Him easy.

Mohsin Khan: And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death] . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

Arberry: As for your women who have despaired of further menstruating, if you are in doubt, their period shall be three months; and those who have not menstruated as yet. And those who are with child, their term is when they bring forth their burden. Whoso fears God, God will appoint for him, of His command, easiness.

Questions for the Qur'anic verse above:

1). Do you affirm or deny that a waiting period is required for divorce (Surah 33:49) only if the marriage has been consummated?
2). Do you accept or reject the numerous Tafsir which explicitly states that Surah 65:4 was revealed, in part, to address waiting periods for girls too young to menstruate?
3). Do you affirm or deny that a waiting period is required in the Qur'an for girls too young to menstruate? (Surah 65:4).
4). Do you acknowledge the Qur'an makes provision for marriage, consummation and divorce of prepubescent girls?

OLAADEGBU:
@Ngasky,

Since you could not come back to verify or deny the practise of Mufa'khathat in Islam lets address Surah 65:4 that you brought up and answer the questions that follow.



Questions for the Qur'anic verse above:

1). Do you affirm or deny that a waiting period is required for divorce (Surah 33:49) only if the marriage has been consummated?
2). Do you accept or reject the numerous Tafsir which explicitly states that Surah 65:4 was revealed, in part, to address waiting periods for girls too young to menstruate?
3). Do you affirm or deny that a waiting period is required in the Qur'an for girls too young to menstruate? (Surah 65:4).
4). Do you acknowledge the Qur'an makes provision for marriage, consummation and divorce of prepubescent girls?

What a fool are you. Did you know that there are certain women that don't mensturate and they are within the menstruation years?
I am personally married to a woman that mensturate only once a year. Sometimes for more than a year she will not mensturate even once.
The verse is a specific instruction on divorcees waiting period before remarrying again.
No two women can have the same ovulation pattern. The monthly hypothesis is just a majority assumption as there are some that had never mensturate in their lifetime. Do better research with your insinuations

Ngasky:
What a fool are you. Did you know that there are certain women that don't mensturate and they are within the menstruation years?
I am personally married to a woman that mensturate only once a year. Sometimes for more than a year she will not mensturate even once.
The verse is a specific instruction on divorcees waiting period before remarrying again.
No two women can have the same ovulation pattern. The monthly hypothesis is just a majority assumption as there are some that had never mensturate in their lifetime. Do better research with your insinuations

Religion is such a bondage my friend. Christ has freed humanity from that grip of religion and those who care about the TRUTH are living in complete freedom. Man was created a rational being, capable of relationship with his Creator. But such Creator-creation relationship is only possible through spiritual means. This is what Christ brought back to humanity. Accept Him, invite His Spirit and live.

UceeGod:
Religion is such a bondage my friend. Christ has freed humanity from that grip of religion and those who care about the TRUTH are living in complete freedom. Man was created a rational being, capable of relationship with his Creator. But such Creator-creation relationship is only possible through spiritual means. This is what Christ brought back to humanity. Accept Him, invite His Spirit and live.

are you confirming that christianity is not religion?
All my life i thought you were following divine religion but your statement just say otherwise. No wonder every crime is condoled in Christianity.
In Islam a crime is a crime no matter who is committing it. There is no repelling or modification of the divine laws unlike the other religion that modify every single century or every decade as the situation is now

Ngasky:
What a fool are you.

There is no need to be abusive here. The moment you start cursing, using ad hominem and ridiculing show that you have already lost the argument. There is a reason why the administrators kept you away from where your faith can be questioned knowing that you are not disposed to your faith being questioned. Let's just be civil while objecting or answering questions.

Ngasky:
Did you know that there are certain women that don't mensturate and they are within the menstruation years?
I am personally married to a woman that mensturate only once a year. Sometimes for more than a year she will not mensturate even once.

The verse is a specific instruction on divorcees waiting period before remarrying again.
No two women can have the same ovulation pattern. The monthly hypothesis is just a majority assumption as there are some that had never mensturate in their lifetime. Do better research with your insinuations

Those cases are abnormal, it is not the norm. My understanding of the verse shows those who have reached menopause, pregnant, not having regular periods and those who are prepubescent.

Having said that I will make another attempt at asking the questions:

1). Do you affirm or deny that a waiting period is required for divorce (Surah 33:49) only if the marriage has been consummated?
2). Do you accept or reject the numerous Tafsir which explicitly states that Surah 65:4 was revealed, in part, to address waiting periods for girls too young to menstruate?
3). Do you affirm or deny that a waiting period is required in the Qur'an for girls too young to menstruate? (Surah 65:4).
4). Do you acknowledge the Qur'an makes provision for marriage, consummation and divorce of prepubescent girls?

Ngasky:
are you confirming that christianity is not religion?
All my life i thought you were following divine religion but your statement just say otherwise. No wonder every crime is condoled in Christianity.
In Islam a crime is a crime no matter who is committing it. There is no repelling or modification of the divine laws unlike the other religion that modify every single century or every decade as the situation is now

Oh! maybe you're hearing this for the first time, CHRISTIANITY ISN'T A RELIGION BUT A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR CREATOR AND LORD. This is why the real Christian faith will remain forever while all religions that claim to worship the LORD God will vanish with time

OLAADEGBU:
1). Do you affirm or deny that a waiting period is required for divorce (Surah 33:49) only if the marriage has been consummated?
2). Do you accept or reject the numerous Tafsir which explicitly states that Surah 65:4 was revealed, in part, to address waiting periods for girls too young to menstruate?
3). Do you affirm or deny that a waiting period is required in the Qur'an for girls too young to menstruate? (Surah 65:4).
4). Do you acknowledge the Qur'an makes provision for marriage, consummation and divorce of prepubescent girls?

FINAL REJOIDER. AFTER THIS DON'T QUOTE ME AGAIN
1. Yes that is waiting period after consummation of marriage. Likewise waiting period if death is the cause of separation even without consummation.
2. Not explicitly but of cases like those without regular mensturation not pre mensturation sex which is forbidden in islam. Nobody is supposed to have sex in Islam without reaching the puberty time.
3. There is no such condition in islam. Consummation of marriage only after reaching the puberty period.
4. NO
Pls I am not in a mood to answer your useless postulations. Once again no mentioning. Bye

Ngasky:
FINAL REJOIDER. AFTER THIS DON'T QUOTE ME AGAIN

You wished.

Ngasky:
1. Yes that is waiting period after consummation of marriage. Likewise waiting period if death is the cause of separation even without consummation.

OK.

Ngasky:
2. Not explicitly but of cases like those without regular mensturation not pre mensturation sex which is forbidden in islam. Nobody is supposed to have sex in Islam without reaching the puberty time.

Are you admitting that children who have not started their menstruation can get married but not consummate the relationship?

Ngasky:
3. There is no such condition in islam. Consummation of marriage only after reaching the puberty period.

But why are they given the waiting period of three months if they have not consummated their marriage?

Ngasky:
4. NO
Pls I am not in a mood to answer your useless postulations. Once again no mentioning. Bye

Mohsin Khan: And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death] . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

See the underlined of Surah 65:4 that you drew my attention to and you will realise that provision for the marriage, consummation and divorce has been made for prepubescent girls. If they had not consummated the marriage provision would not have been made for their divorce by giving them a waiting period, they would have just released them because they have not consummated their marriage.

OLAADEGBU:
Mohsin Khan: And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah, if you have doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses is three months except in case of death . And for those who are pregnant their 'Iddah is until they deliver , and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

In the whole Quran there is no single bracket. The brackets are the understanding of the translator but the verses remain fixed.
Mohsin may explain according to his understanding but that does not make him right. That is why he have to put his personal opinion in bracket. In Islam there is no blind followership or Man of God to follow his rules. Remove all the brackets in every single translation and tell me where the Quran text talk about such sex with minors.
Infact you added your thought in the verse in the form of bracket to deceive.
Once again whenever you want to quote the Quran remove the brackets and quote it verbatim.
As for saying I brought up the verse you are so daft. Check who make reference to the verse to try and hoodwink those who don't know Quran. Does it in anyway refelct your topic? Your quote below

OLAADEGBU:
I sincerely hope that all well meaning Muslims will come and prove this is not happening in their religion and I don't mean Taqiyya.

Ngasky:
In the whole Quran there is no single bracket. The brackets are the understanding of the translator but the verses remain fixed.
Mohsin may explain according to his understanding but that does not make him right. That is why he have to put his personal opinion in bracket. In Islam there is no blind followership or Man of God to follow his rules. Remove all the brackets in every single translation and tell me where the Quran text talk about such sex with minors.
Infact you added your thought in the verse in the form of bracket to deceive.
Once again whenever you want to quote the Quran remove the brackets and quote it verbatim.

You will have to take that up with your various translators as I did not introduce the brackets.

Ngasky:
As for saying I brought up the verse you are so daft. Check who make reference to the verse to try and hoodwink those who don't know Quran. Does it in anyway refelct your topic? Your quote below

The main topic is for you to verify or deny the practice of Mufa'khathat in Islam, a topic which you have tactfully evaded. The question is; if you say married children do not consummate their marriage until after they start their menstruation do they practise Mufa'khathat before they are ready to consummate their marriage or not?

Any woman that has gotten to/or is in the age of menstruation and has not/or only does so once in a year needs to see the fucking doctor !!!

Lonelypacifist6:
Any woman that has gotten to/or is in the age of menstruation and has not/or only does so once in a year needs to see the fucking doctor !!!

Those examples are extremely rare and is not the reason that verse made the provision for. It was made for children who have not reached the age of puberty. One certain 'Aisha' comes to mind.