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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by komekn(m): 8:39am On Sep 11, 2019
Prectega:
Osihmen hold up play was really good yesterday
It was satisfactory for the type of player he is he isn't physical.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by komekn(m): 8:47am On Sep 11, 2019
Hanibal:
What I enjoyed most in last night's game was Osimhen's aggression it was Diego Costa - like, and I'm loving it, the boy should keep it up and if he can back it up with consistent goal scoring, in few year's time he will become a nightmare for any central defender.
The aggression of the team generally to bad referee calls was also top notch, bye bye to the days when bad officials will be making scandalous calls all match and no one will raise a voice.

I imagine if it was Osimhen that scored that Musa goal ruled out for offside against south Africa last year... The referee for hear am!!
I don't think you have watched the beast Costa.

Costa bullys defenders almost into submission but he has mesmerising skill married with POWER garnished with clinical finishing and topped off with TERRIFYING aggression.

Osimhen has pace lots of running and he did out pace the defenders all the time. But bully the defenders No, hold up play was limited he lost the ball several times, he just doesn't have the physicality to impose himself on defenders. It's simply not his type of game.

He should watch Vardy and learn from him and how he uses his pace effectively he also is not a physical player but with the right timed runs is devastating.

It may be the SE may have to adapt thier game to suit him balls on the ground behind the defence for him to run on too . Again like Vardy he is not filled with trickery like say Aubmeyang. Both these players are not physical but use thier unique attributes to create dominance.

Overall he had a good night but outstanding no.

Is he the answer in the absence of Ighalo or the now supposed retired Ighalo, YES for now. But is he Drogba or Costa not yet. So the search continues for the next Yekini and or Drogba. Could he become like Vardy a think a big yes.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by ChrisKels: 8:48am On Sep 11, 2019
TheGoodJoe:
I used the second term to clarify.

What he lacks in power, shows the power was there but lacked in some places in power play. Not the total absence of power but lacking in some area of power.

So he showed strength and power but lacked in power some areas. Thus, making up with pace and hardwork.
If that be the case, then u clearly didn't understand the statement u made and what it implied. I dont want to be the one to teach u lexis and structures or how to use ur parts of speech in making phrases, we don't know it all, hence, we learn everyday. "what" in that statement functions as a pronoun, not adverb or interjection, it gives a direct meaning or message about the subject in question, that he does not have power as one his traits. In a nutshell, it defines lack of power as his major weakness. E.g is when people say "what Azubuike lacks in height" - this gives u a straight up definition of Azubuike as a short man.

If u had opted for an interjection "when" which gives a sense of time of circumstance, then ur message would have carried a better meaning.

"When his power fails him, he makes up with his speed"


So my brother, there is no argument here, Emeka was right, all along
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by komekn(m): 8:49am On Sep 11, 2019
tbaba1234:
Nah, Iwobi was imperious in that AM role. It is a waste, sticking him on the left. Kalu was very good on the left while he was on.

I think Etebo holds on to the ball more than Aribo. Who will play AM in your midfield 3? I think Ndidi is critical to protect the defense.
Kalu did well but what is it with our wingers and end product and wrong decision making.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by komekn(m): 8:51am On Sep 11, 2019
Joebie:
yes, like-for-like subs. Most of them should have played. The first half gave us a snapshot of what our starting 11 can do. The players needed to return to their clubs without being overworked. We are still in the process of testing players. Of what good is it that most in the bench didn't play?
It's not like I'm expecting Rohr to improve tactically over 90 mins. He is not going to learn any new tricks at his age. He needs a tactically sound coach to assist him.
I really wanted to see Maduka, Maja and Dennis did not get enough minutes to see what he can do and his qualities.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Earthquake1: 8:55am On Sep 11, 2019
Hanibal:
What I enjoyed most in last night's game was Osimhen's aggression it was Diego Costa - like, and I'm loving it, the boy should keep it up and if he can back it up with consistent goal scoring, in few year's time he will become a nightmare for any central defender.
The aggression of the team generally to bad referee calls was also top notch, bye bye to the days when bad officials will be making scandalous calls all match and no one will raise a voice.

I imagine if it was Osimhen that scored that Musa goal ruled out for offside against south Africa last year... The referee for hear am!!
I think making Troost-Ekong the captain is a good decision

Musa doesn't have a commanding presence and he's not that much of a leader
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 8:57am On Sep 11, 2019
On Semi Ajayi


In defence, we all saw Ekong do what he expect him to do. He was in true command today and we hope to see more of him in such form but special mention must go to Semilogo Ajayi.

Semi Ajayi was another player that covered himself in Glory in the game. He hardly put a foot wrong and snuffed out danger with ease. His passing out from the back was very assured and his positional intelligence + defensive instincts came in handy against the Ukrainian forward line.
Lad was simply immaculate on the ground, commanding in the air, calm in possession, assured in his passing, and firm in his markings/tackles.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by ChrisKels: 8:59am On Sep 11, 2019
Lucque:
For once i agree with you...
Aribo didnt misplace a single pass.. was very cool and calm on d ball...i no know wetin some pol watch
The boy impressed me, but the bolded is farce. I saw him misplace about 4 and in some cases he gave needless passes(wrong choice of passes) that put the team under pressure. Above all, he was OK
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Eligreat247: 9:03am On Sep 11, 2019
TheSuperNerd:
I don't want him sacked.... at least not anymore (or rather not for now). I just need him to please improve in some details as regards utilising the best or close to the best this team has to offer.

It is true that Rohr is part of the reason we are in this new dawn. I commend and appreciate him for bringing us this far and dragging us up from the deep dark wells of Post-2014 to 2016.

Rohr has brought in the materials for the masterpiece. Now I hope he can build it well. This new era is exciting and must not be laid to waste.
I wonder what the NFF are doing to improve this man tactically... Its very clear for all to see that this man Gernot Rohr needs help. I think they should send him for some courses and also get him a very sound technical assistant, as the brain behind many coaches successes is their technical assistants (e.g Akpala ==> Keshi & Nduka Ugbade ==>Manu Garba).
If we must really consummate the "dawn of the new era" the NFF must wake up and act ASAP. We can't keep doing the same things and expect different/better results.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 9:04am On Sep 11, 2019
tbaba1234:
Nah, Iwobi was imperious in that AM role. It is a waste, sticking him on the left. Kalu was very good on the left while he was on.

I think Etebo holds on to the ball more than Aribo. Who will play AM in your midfield 3? I think Ndidi is critical to protect the defense.
Ndidi finds it difficult to sit.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Hanibal(m):
komekn:
I don't think you have watched the beast Costa.

Costa bullys defenders almost into submission but he has mesmerising skill married with POWER garnished with clinical finishing and topped off with TERRIFYING aggression.

Osimhen has pace lots of running and he did out pace the defenders all the time. But bully the defenders No, hold up play was limited he lost the ball several times, he just doesn't have the physicality to impose himself on defenders. It's simply not his type of game.

He should watch Vardy and learn from him and how he uses his pace effectively he also is not a physical player but with the right timed runs is devastating.

It may be the SE may have to adapt thier game to suit him balls on the ground behind the defence for him to run on too . Again like Vardy he is not filled with trickery like say Aubmeyang. Both these players are not physical but use thier unique attributes to create dominance.

Overall he had a good night but outstanding no.

Is he the answer in the absence of Ighalo or the now supposed retired Ighalo, YES for now. But is he Drogba or Costa not yet. So the search continues for the next Yekini and or Drogba. Could he become like Vardy a think a big yes.
Err.... Baba komekn, I haven't actually compared him to Costa all round, I only compared his aggression to Costa, he earned a yellow card for protesting fa.
When last did a super eagle earn yellow for protesting?.
On the next Yekini or Drogba... Osimhen is 20 years old, I didn't watch Drogba or Yekini at 20, Osimhen can mature to be better than these legends.
Unless of course you doubt Osimhen's age (which is a likely thing considering who your posts here)
Saying Osimhen is not Vardy (29), Costa (30), peak Drogba, and peak Yekini should be considered prejudiced emotive bias abi how you take dey talk am sef?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Eligreat247: 9:09am On Sep 11, 2019
TheSuperNerd:
Jamilu Collins' LB position needs an upgrade as soon as possible.

The Lad is decent but decency is not enough for the level the Super Eagles are aspiring to walk into in this new era.

Collins need to step up his game and he needs seriously bad ass competition to be pushed to his limits and beyond.
I really don't understand what happened to Jamilu Collins yesterday, I expected fire power from him offensively.. He was a strong attacking outlet during the qualifier against Libya & at AFCON. Defensively too he's been better bar yesterday.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 9:12am On Sep 11, 2019
kennysville:
Yeah, yall keep it up and still expect miracles in proper tourneys.


#WYSIWYG
#NoSurprises
Yeah, what else is there to do if not hoping that the old man learns from his gaffes during friendlies so he doesn't slip during the tourneys.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 9:15am On Sep 11, 2019
Hanibal:
What I enjoyed most in last night's game was Osimhen's aggression it was Diego Costa - like, and I'm loving it, the boy should keep it up and if he can back it up with consistent goal scoring, in few year's time he will become a nightmare for any central defender.
The aggression of the team generally to bad referee calls was also top notch, bye bye to the days when bad officials will be making scandalous calls all match and no one will raise a voice.

I imagine if it was Osimhen that scored that Musa goal ruled out for offside against south Africa last year... The referee for hear am!!
I agree!!

No room for timidity!!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness:
From the first half, Collins was obviously the weak link in the team. Offered nothing to the attack and was caught out of position several times.

The Ukrainian coach noticed that and stylishly attacked from his flank though pressed from the middle but unfortunately the slow poison coach didn't understand and react on time. Instead, brought in Esiti for Iwobi who offers nothing going forward. Even at that, they kept to their game plan and went ahead to score through that wing.

What Rohr ought to had done was to replace Collins and then brought in a defensive mildfielder to replace Aribo. That could had stabilized the team and distabilized the Ukrainian plan.

After that, he should had introduced Simon, Maja and Bonaventure to aid the attack that lost so many scoring chances.

However, this should had been a testing ground to see another AMF in Iwobi's position but the I sabi coach refused to give some players the chance to prove themselves.

If Rohr could call Bonaventure from the Belgium league, what stops him from giving Ajagun who is also from the Belgium league and the only AMF in a top league a chance to prove himself? Double standard.

We need an AMF urgently because Iwobi seems to be wasteful in front of goal.

Osimhen should have scored instead of giving the ball to Iwobi. He lacks confidence and the instinct of a target man.

Chuks was just too selfish, he needs to learn team work.

Ramon Azeez should be called ahead of any player for the CM/DMF position. That's common sense.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:23am On Sep 11, 2019
The team gave away too many turnovers at a point especially with the falling down on the turf which happened to a good number of our players (which makes me wonder wetin do that turf) before they all settled into a sweet rhythm.

Aribo, okay? In truth, the lad was more than Okay. A box to box menace, a ball carrier and a sweet link between defence and attack. This boy did what neither of Ndidi nor Etebo could do for us in terms of proper ball distribution and most importantly smooth/effortless transitions from defence to attack.

Ndidi offers us so much defensively and provides excellent cover as DM, offers us world class work rate and cuts out passing channels but his distribution is not top notch.
Etebo offers us wicked work rate and holds the ball so bloody well but is poor at play transitions especially from defence to attack.

Aribo is very good at the bolded indicated and has the stamina, workrate and intelligence to boss the midfield as he showed yesterday as a Box-to-Box Bison and as a smooth playing CM.

ChrisKels:
The boy impressed me, but the bolded is farce. I saw him misplace about 4 and in some cases he gave needless passes(wrong choice of passes) that put the team under pressure. Above all, he was OK
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:26am On Sep 11, 2019
Well it think it was a good game. One of the major upsides of that game was the number of chances created including shots on Target.

The defense had a shaky start but improved as the game progressed only to lose concentration for the 45mins that we conceded the two goals. Semi Ajayi was partnering Ekong for the first time but the duo did ok together. Aina IMO had one of his best games for Super Eagles last night. Though was caught out of position on 1 or 2 occasions but this is normal for a RB who plays like Wing Back. Collins did ok, though just like Aina got caught once or twice.

The midfield trio of Etebo-Aribo-Iwobi did an excellent job together. Joe Aribo seems to have won the hearts of virtually all and sundry. Like I have often opined you don't need full 90mins or 2 games to know a player who can add value. He has excellent interception and drilling skills but needs to try to release balls a bit earlier. WELCOME TO THE SUPER EAGLES JOE ARIBO. Etebo again proved he is a valuable asset to the team as he played the DM position and made us forget we didn't have Ndidi in the game. And Iwobi, this boy keeps improving. He seemed to have have brought his Everton form into that game. Point accurate passes and he defended a lot also. However, he still needs to improve on his shooting skills.

And for the attack the youthfulness and adventurous nature of the 3 man attack Kalu-Osimhen-Chukwueze was a delight to watch and posed problems for the Ukrainian defense for a larger part of the game. Kalu's fitness level is back, we really missed him at the AFCON (if you know you know). Chukwueze need to learn to play a little more with his pairs. His confidence and level composure are obviously increasing. And Osimhen was awesome in his pressing, bold holding and distribution. Never really got a perfect chance but he also had a good game

For the subs:
Dennis Bonaventure showed promise. He obviously is work in progress and one for the future. Let us also assess Ademola Lookman.
Esiti has yet again failed to impress on his return to the Super Eagles. Considering that Ndidi was not in that game, Aribo's prospect in the team and other young upcoming Midfielders like Ejaria and Eze, I don;t see a future for Esiti in that team.
Awaziem did his job as usual. Nothing exceptional.
Josh Maja nothing worth saying, due to the few number of minutes he played, except that he is now fully a Nigerian.

Some people are blaming Rohr for his substitutions. Rohr obviously tested his first 11 by starting them and they delivered. That is what matters IMHO. However, another revelation about the nature of the impact of the substitutions is that the team doesn't have depth. For instance, we are still lacking in number of creative midfielders which was why we had to deploy Mikel to that position in the first place. We need a deputy for Iwobi.

Rohr has continued to impress in the area of players selection and team management, but like I have always opined, he needs a tactician. Excellent tactical changes, with players switching positions, would have better helped us manage that 2-0 lead.

Good Morning my people
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Earthquake1: 9:27am On Sep 11, 2019
Hanibal:
Error... Baba komekn, I haven't actually compared him to Costa all round, I only compared his aggression to Costa, he earned a yellow card for protesting fa.
When last did a super eagle earn yellow for protesting?.
On the next Yekini or Drogba... Osimhen is 20 years old, I didn't watch Drogba or Yekini at 20, Osimhen can mature to be better than these legends.
Unless of course you doubt Osimhen's age (which is a likely thing considering who your posts here)
Saying Osimhen is not Vardy (29), Costa (30), peak Drogba, and peak Yekini should be considered prejudiced emotive bias abi how you take dey talk am sef?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by timay(m): 9:36am On Sep 11, 2019
Prectega:
Ighalo for convert one those chance sha .. Ighalo dey stingy at times
Ighalo won't get into those goal scoring position in the first place

Man's too slow for all those bursting positions that Osimhen was running into.

We typically played counter attacking football yesterday and Ighalo won't even fit in.
Look at the way Osimhen was linking up with the wingers and Iwobi with quick one twos.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by timay(m): 9:40am On Sep 11, 2019
komekn:
I don't think you have watched the beast Costa.

Costa bullys defenders almost into submission but he has mesmerising skill married with POWER garnished with clinical finishing and topped off with TERRIFYING aggression.

Osimhen has pace lots of running and he did out pace the defenders all the time. But bully the defenders No, hold up play was limited he lost the ball several times, he just doesn't have the physicality to impose himself on defenders. It's simply not his type of game.

He should watch Vardy and learn from him and how he uses his pace effectively he also is not a physical player but with the right timed runs is devastating.

It may be the SE may have to adapt thier game to suit him balls on the ground behind the defence for him to run on too . Again like Vardy he is not filled with trickery like say Aubmeyang. Both these players are not physical but use thier unique attributes to create dominance.

Overall he had a good night but outstanding no.

Is he the answer in the absence of Ighalo or the now supposed retired Ighalo, YES for now. But is he Drogba or Costa not yet. So the search continues for the next Yekini and or Drogba. Could he become like Vardy a think a big yes.
Who needs an old fashioned Drogba or Costa kind of Playing style. How many strikers today are into bullying defenders with strength or Power. Modern football has moved past that.

Infact , Osimhen kind of style was what was missing all this while, cos you could see that the wingers and Midfielder were more comfortable in playing with him, cos he matched their tempo and fast paced style.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m):
Final Results of the U23 Qualifiers:
Zimbabwe 0:0 South Africa. SA go through on 5:0 aggregate
Nigeria 5:0 Sudan. Nigeria go through on 5:1 aggregate
Guinea 1:2 CIV. 2:2 on aggregate CIV go through on away goals rule.
Mali 1:0 Morocco. Mali go through 2:1 on aggregate
Tunisia 2:1 Cameroon. 2:2 on aggregate, Cameroon go through on away goals rule
Algeria 0:1 Ghana. Ghana go through on 2:1 aggregate
Zambia had earlier book qualification.

Final 8 participating teams:
Egypt (Host)
Nigeria (Defending champions)
South Africa
Ivory Coast
Mali
Cameroon
Ghana
Zambia

This competition will be bloody.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Prectega(m): 9:46am On Sep 11, 2019
timay:
Ighalo won't get into those goal scoring position in the first place

Man's too slow for all those bursting positions that Osimhen was running into.

We typically played counter attacking football yesterday and Ighalo won't even fit in.
Look at the way Osimhen was linking up with the wingers and Iwobi with quick one twos.
I just got lost on how the game changed yesterday .. Just few minutes something ..

I can't blame rohr tho .. He had to test his players
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by darkelf: 9:47am On Sep 11, 2019
Eligreat247:
I really don't understand what happened to Jamilu Collins yesterday, I expected fire power from him offensively.. He was a strong attacking outlet during the qualifier against Libya & at AFCON. Defensively too he's been better bar yesterday.
Libya isn't Ukraine

And I don't understand how to defend Rohr again, I'm short if words.....
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by darkelf: 9:49am On Sep 11, 2019
timay:
Who needs an old fashioned Drogba or Costa kind of Playing style. How many strikers today are into bullying defenders with strength or Power. Modern football has moved past that.

Infact , Osimhen kind of style was what was missing all this while, cos you could see that the wingers and Midfielder were more comfortable in playing with him, cos he matched their tempo and fast paced style.
The way you guys are praising Osimhen, he scored due to a penalty and bit from open play. He has yet to score from open play for the SE like Ighalo, so I don't see why you guys are comparing both players. Osimhen isn't even at Ighalo's level yet
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Prectega(m): 9:50am On Sep 11, 2019
Estiti was the weak line yesterday ..changed the whole game angry
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by darkelf: 9:51am On Sep 11, 2019
cromz:
onyekuru or ihenancho. If Kalu,chukuwueze and 1 or 2 other wingers can be clinical enough, we can play like Liverpool. However we will need a ball playing defender like van Dijk and our midfield must be solid.
Lol.

And the hype begins.

Well, nothing is impossible. To play like Liverpool, you first have to change your coach
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Prectega(m): 9:52am On Sep 11, 2019
Abeg nothing is wrong with rohr ...the team played well till estiti came
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by darkelf: 9:54am On Sep 11, 2019
TheSuperNerd:
How the tides have changed. Before we used to say... We have no replacement for Mikel.

Now it is the era of Iwobi.... how time flies
And I warned you guys when you touted Mikel as the Alpha and Omega whose presence in the team was necessary for "morale"

Thank God you guys can see the light now
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by darkelf: 9:54am On Sep 11, 2019
Earthquake1:
New UEFA club ranking
So Liverpool is still eight.

Okay....Now I know not to take them serious
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:56am On Sep 11, 2019
You are again off-point. Mikel was indeed the best we had then until Egypt 2019. Look Elfy... Try to understand a post before you quote it. You always seem in a hurry to run in here and start screaming 'I told you so' negatives. Haba.



darkelf:
And I warned you guys when you touted Mikel as the Alpha and Omega whose presence in the team was necessary for "morale"

Thank God you guys can see the light now
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by timay(m): 9:57am On Sep 11, 2019
darkelf:
The way you guys are praising Osimhen, he scored due to a penalty and bit from open play. He has yet to score from open play for the SE like Ighalo, so I don't see why you guys are comparing both players. Osimhen isn't even at Ighalo's level yet
You obviously don't know how to assess a game. Sometimes, you don't have to score before we know how impactful a striker is.

And for the open play goal scoring thing you are talking about, just calm down , the goals will come for him. Especially when we start qualifiers. Remember that this is Osimhen's 6th cap for Nigeria and he played 5 of the caps making cameo appearances. This is the first game for the super eagles that he will be playing almost 90minutes. So technically, this is his first full Debut for Us. The goals will definitely come surely.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by darkelf: 9:57am On Sep 11, 2019
tbaba1234:
I think Rohr is a major reason why we are approaching a golden age in terms of talent. Invitations to the super eagles are more on merit now. Our players are moving to the big leagues to get attention of national team selectors.

We know how poor team selection used to be.

I understand the frustration with Rohr but he has met every target expected of him. If we are replacing Rohr, we must get someone who is tactically better and someone who will not invite junk players.

There is no point sacking him if we get a coach that will ignore our best players for crucial games.
His meritocracy and the fact that our players no play for better clubs are reasons why I still defend Rohr

BUT

We aren't winning the games we should win comfortably and he is tactically inept. These are big minuses.

I'm 50/50 on Rohr
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