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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by TheShopKeeper(m): 8:06pm On Sep 21, 2019
coluka:

Is it that you don't want the allegations of corruption by creepy Joe and his son to be investigated? I don't understand why you all are angry that Trump is asking for the allegations to be investigated. You want him to sweep the allegations under the carpet because it concerns one of your liberal masters. If Trump himself as president was subjected to widespread investigations , then Biden is not above being investigated.


.. what about trump's campaign promise to lock her up (hillary clinton)..until now trump has not given the go ahead to prosecute hillary...

...what trump did is very treasonous in nature...

.. what will have happened if any other US past president spoke to another foreign leader to start legal proceedings against a US citizen...

...another thing that should be of note is that the phone call to ukraine president was made few days after robert mueller's appearance in congress in july...trump is confident that the mueller's investigation has ended, so he is free commit another offense...

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Abbeybailey(m): 8:31pm On Sep 21, 2019
kophschmerzenii:


Lol what a waste of space, y'all halfwits will spin for Trump even if he rape your mothers.
The a$$ lickers here love Taliban Trump more than Melania do. Never seen this much a$$ licking in my life. Sorry bunch they are and the worst part of it is none of these clowns can walk into an American Embassy or Consulate and come out with a Visa because their lord Trump deems them inferior.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Abbeybailey(m): 8:33pm On Sep 21, 2019
TheShopKeeper:



.. what about trump's campaign promise to lock her up (hillary clinton)..until now trump has not given the go ahead to prosecute hillary...

...what trump did is very treasonous in nature...

.. what will have happened if any other US past president spoke to another foreign leader to start legal proceedings against a US citizen...

...another thing that should be of note is that the phone call to ukraine president was made few days after robert mueller's appearance in congress in july...trump is confident that the mueller's investigation has ended, so he is free commit another offense...
My buddy, nothing you can tell these clowns to change their mind. Their lips are permanently stuck on the Orange Pig a$$. You just have to shame them and hopeful the light of truth will shine on their eyes.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 9:34pm On Sep 21, 2019
coluka:
You all need to watch this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS_ybCgkg4w&time_continue=17
Why are liberals acting like the President of the United States can't talk or communicate with a foreign leader? Hm

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Abbeybailey(m): 10:40pm On Sep 21, 2019
obixcel:
Why are liberals acting like the President of the United States can't talk or communicate with a foreign leader? Hm
Like I said, you guys don't know how things work in US. Hush your mouth and face Buhari. We don't allow despots here like you do.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 12:28am On Sep 22, 2019
Ukraine foreign minister denies Trump put pressure on Zelenskiy during call

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1W60HU

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 12:39am On Sep 22, 2019
TheShopKeeper:



.. what about trump's campaign promise to lock her up (hillary clinton)..until now trump has not given the go ahead to prosecute hillary...

...what trump did is very treasonous in nature...

.. what will have happened if any other US past president spoke to another foreign leader to start legal proceedings against a US citizen...

...another thing that should be of note is that the phone call to ukraine president was made few days after robert mueller's appearance in congress in july...trump is confident that the mueller's investigation has ended, so he is free commit another offense...

1. Trump did not do anything treasonous in nature

2. He didn't say open legal proceedings against Biden, he said investigate!!
Let's assume the investigation leads to an unmasking of criminal activities by biden and his son, the Ukrainians can pass the results of the investigation to the US justice department to prosecute. Even if the Ukrainians decide to go ahead and prosecute, it's their right to do so, the crime was committed in their territory and they can chose to prosecute if they wish.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Abbeybailey(m): 1:00am On Sep 22, 2019
coluka:


1. Trump did not do anything treasonous in nature

2. He didn't say open legal proceedings against Biden, he said investigate!!
Let's assume the investigation leads to an unmasking of criminal activities by biden and his son, the Ukrainians can pass the results of the investigation to the US justice department to prosecute. Even if the Ukrainians decide to go ahead and prosecute, it's their right to do so, the crime was committed in their territory and they can chose to prosecute if they wish.
Clap for yourself over the garbage you are spouting. I hate to get on your case but the junk you are posting makes no sense but i can excuse your ignorance because of the system of government you grew up in. The President in America is not above the law and he can't use the office of the presidency to intimidate any American citizen for political reason or any other reasons. That's why you don't see Taliban Trump sending his henchmen to arrest those that disagree with him. That's the essence of Democracy which is alien to you and your other worshippers of Taliban Trump. Hush your mouth and stop making a foool of yourself about a country you know nothing about.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Abbeybailey(m): 4:54pm On Sep 22, 2019
After several years of Taliban Trump saying he will release his taxes, how come he's suing New York prosecutors and State of California about requesting for his taxes. What is he hiding ?. Anyone that do not acknowledged that Trump is a Con man is either a fool or a Con man too.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 9:26pm On Sep 22, 2019
Abbeybailey:
After several years of Taliban Trump saying he will release his taxes, how come he's suing New York prosecutors and State of California about requesting for his taxes. What is he hiding ?. Anyone that do not acknowledged that Trump is a Con man is either a fool or a Con man too.
You should have asked about what Hillary was hiding when she deleted tens of thousands of her emails after a supeona from the United State's Congress. Hypocrite!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Abbeybailey(m): 10:31pm On Sep 22, 2019
obixcel:
You should have asked about what Hillary was hiding when she deleted tens of thousands of her emails after a supeona from the United State's Congress. Hypocrite!
I am not sure the circuits upstairs are working good for you. A$$ licking Americanna wannabe. Trump is a scam and every day Americans are waking up to his Con game and we will send him away in 15 months and there's nothing your likes can do about it from your hole.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by stanech: 1:04pm On Sep 23, 2019
The Ukrainian Government just said they weren’t pressured at all during the “nice” call. Sleepy Joe Biden, on the other hand, forced a tough prosecutor out from investigating his son’s company by threat of not giving big dollars to Ukraine. That’s the real story!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by TheShopKeeper(m): 1:08pm On Sep 23, 2019
coluka:


1. Trump did not do anything treasonous in nature

2. He didn't say open legal proceedings against Biden, he said investigate!!
Let's assume the investigation leads to an unmasking of criminal activities by biden and his son, the Ukrainians can pass the results of the investigation to the US justice department to prosecute. Even if the Ukrainians decide to go ahead and prosecute, it's their right to do so, the crime was committed in their territory and they can chose to prosecute if they wish.


Trump Confirms Biden Came Up In Call With Ukraine, Would ‘Love’ To Release Transcript
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-joe-biden-ukraine-call_n_5d881cf3e4b0849d472b5097

President Donald Trump confirmed Sunday he spoke about former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden, in a call with the leader of Ukraine earlier this year, although he failed to corroborate a series of bombshell reports that claim Trump asked a foreign power to investigate one of his prime rivals in the 2020 election.

“The conversation I had was largely congratulatory, with largely corruption, all of the corruption taking place and largely the fact that we don’t want our people like Vice President Biden and his son creating to the corruption already in the Ukraine,” Trump told reporters on Sunday at the White House, per a pool report.

The president has been on the defense after The Wall Street Journal first reported that Trump called Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky in July, during which Trump allegedly pressed his counterpart to investigate Biden’s son. News of the call came out after a whistleblower filed a complaint saying Trump asked Zelensky to work with the president’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, on the matter.

Hunter Biden worked with a Ukrainian energy company called Burisma while his father was still vice president in 2016, but they have not been accused of legal wrongdoing related to that work.

On Sunday, Trump continued to deny that he had engaged in anything other than a congratulatory call, denying there was no impropriety in the conversation and characterizing it as “beautiful,” “warm” and “nice.”

“We had a very great conversation, very straight, very honest conversation,” Trump said, saying he’d like to release the transcript of the call while at the same time warning that foreign leaders should feel comfortable speaking “openly and good.”

“I would love to do it but you have to be a little bit shy about” releasing the transcripts, Trump told reporters.
....this will never happen because (barr as trump's personal lawyer) won't allow this to be released...
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by TheShopKeeper(m): 2:34pm On Sep 23, 2019
Mary Anne Marsh: Trump's reelection is in trouble – Here's how it adds up (and why every American should care)

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-reelection-trouble-mary-anne-marsh

As of today, Donald Trump is now the least liked president in almost 40 years.

The September NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released Sunday shows that 69 percent of voters dislike Trump. That is a toxic level in any race let alone one for the presidency.

It is impossible to improve that sentiment to less than 50 percent in the remaining 14 months before the 2020 election. Prior to this poll, the highest dislike of a president was 42 percent for George W. Bush after Hurricane Katrina in March 2006.

In the same poll, 49 percent say they’re very uncomfortable with Trump’s 2020 candidacy. That’s compared with 41 percent for Bernie Sanders and 33 percent apiece for Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren. Furthermore, a record 50 percent dislike Trump and his policies.

Other polls show Trump losing a general election to any of the top five Democratic candidates for president.

Clearly Trump’s reelection is in trouble. And it may explain why Trump allegedly sought foreign assistance against Joe Biden, the front-runner in the crowded Democratic primary field. That should concern every American.

It has been widely reported that Trump asked the newly elected president of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, eight times in a July phone call to investigate whether Biden, while vice president, acted improperly in pressuring the resignation of a Ukraine prosecutor whose office was investigating a company that employed Biden's son. Trump denies these allegations and the Ukrainian foreign minister said Saturday, “I know what the conversation was about and I think there was no pressure.”

It was also reported that Trump threatened to withhold $250 million in military aid from Ukraine if they didn’t cooperate. That money was released this month.

Furthermore, Trump insisted that Ukraine work on the matter with his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, not official representatives of the U.S. government.

However, if these reports are true, a request to benefit Trump’s political prospects, rather than United States or its national security, is illegal.

...check out the bolded...why will trump threatened to withhold the aid funds, also why will trump say to ukraine should only deal with his personal attorney and not u.s. government representatives....
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 3:24pm On Sep 23, 2019
TheShopKeeper:
Mary Anne Marsh: Trump's reelection is in trouble – Here's how it adds up (and why every American should care)

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-reelection-trouble-mary-anne-marsh

As of today, Donald Trump is now the least liked president in almost 40 years.

The September NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released Sunday shows that 69 percent of voters dislike Trump. That is a toxic level in any race let alone one for the presidency.

It is impossible to improve that sentiment to less than 50 percent in the remaining 14 months before the 2020 election. Prior to this poll, the highest dislike of a president was 42 percent for George W. Bush after Hurricane Katrina in March 2006.

In the same poll, 49 percent say they’re very uncomfortable with Trump’s 2020 candidacy. That’s compared with 41 percent for Bernie Sanders and 33 percent apiece for Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren. Furthermore, a record 50 percent dislike Trump and his policies.

Other polls show Trump losing a general election to any of the top five Democratic candidates for president.

Clearly Trump’s reelection is in trouble. And it may explain why Trump allegedly sought foreign assistance against Joe Biden, the front-runner in the crowded Democratic primary field. That should concern every American.

It has been widely reported that Trump asked the newly elected president of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, eight times in a July phone call to investigate whether Biden, while vice president, acted improperly in pressuring the resignation of a Ukraine prosecutor whose office was investigating a company that employed Biden's son. Trump denies these allegations and the Ukrainian foreign minister said Saturday, “I know what the conversation was about and I think there was no pressure.”

It was also reported that Trump threatened to withhold $250 million in military aid from Ukraine if they didn’t cooperate. That money was released this month.

Furthermore, Trump insisted that Ukraine work on the matter with his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, not official representatives of the U.S. government.

However, if these reports are true, a request to benefit Trump’s political prospects, rather than United States or its national security, is illegal.

...check out the bolded...why will trump threatened to withhold the aid funds, also why will trump say to ukraine should only deal with his personal attorney and not u.s. government representatives....
These questions you are asking shows that you don't even read your own posts, it's all fake news, Trump didn't threaten to withold aid from Ukraine if they don't investigate biden, he didn't even offer anything in return. Go and read the WSJ article you yourself posted earlier, it's all there. The Ukrainians themselves have denied that they put under any pressure by Donald Trump so why do you keep sticking to fake news?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 4:29pm On Sep 23, 2019
When you have time, find out how badly trumps tariffs have hurt soyabean farmers and how US tech companies are the ones pleading for tariffs to be removed.

coluka:


The responses from the people in that photo clip you posted shows how unbelievably ignorant liberals are. They think Trump is losing the trade war because he lifted tariffs on some Chinese goods? Those ignorant idiots don't even know what is happening in their own country. Trump only did that in response to China dropping tariffs on US agriculture products. The two countries are close to an interim deal on the trade war next month and as a goodwill gesture, the Chinese dropped tariffs on US agric products last week and Trump just reciprocated the gesture . Please read all about it here

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3028046/china-us-close-agreeing-interim-trade-war-deal-beijing-expert

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/09/13/business/china-us-soybeans-pork-tariffs.amp.html

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 4:32pm On Sep 23, 2019
Abbeybailey:
Why would I debate about America with a guy that never spend a second of his life in US.
So, in your opinion, you spend your time better trading insults with a "guy that never spend a second of his life in US" ?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Abbeybailey(m): 5:58pm On Sep 23, 2019
budaatum:

So, in your opinion, you spend your time better trading insults with a "guy that never spend a second of his life in US" ?
It's just my way of shaming them to submission. Lol
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 6:13pm On Sep 23, 2019
Abbeybailey:
It's just my way of shaming them to submission. Lol
It is obvious that nobody is submitting to anyone here, especially not to shame, or we'd be a bit more shameless.

I'm saying because I feel you'll are smart and intelligent.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Abbeybailey(m): 6:23pm On Sep 23, 2019
budaatum:

It is obvious that nobody is submitting to anyone here, especially not to shame, or we'd be a bit more shameless.

I'm saying because I feel you'll are smart and intelligent.
Agreed with that. What pisses me off with Trump backers here is the followers accepting his words like gospel despite everyone knowing that the guy is an habitual liar. Never seen a 73 year old pathological and sociopathic lying man like the president of a country I dearly treasures.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Abbeybailey(m): 6:26pm On Sep 23, 2019
budaatum:
When you have time, find out how badly trumps tariffs have hurt soyabean farmers and how US tech companies are the ones pleading for tariffs to be removed.

I live in the Midwest and so many farms are declaring bankruptcy over the stupid tariffs. I can drive 2 or 3 hours to Bloomington, Galesburg and see the destruction brought about by the stupid Trump and his worthless tariff.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 6:50pm On Sep 23, 2019
Abbeybailey:
I live in the Midwest and so many farms are declaring bankruptcy over the stupid tariffs. I can drive 2 or 3 hours to Bloomington, Galesburg and see the destruction brought about by the stupid Trump and his worthless tariff.
See! I come here hoping to get these on the ground facts but you allow yourself to be drowned in trump tactics. Do you not know they win once you join them in the swamp?

Evidence! Facts! Time! That's what shames. No one can argue their eyes don't see!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2019/08/30/amid-trump-tariffs-farm-bankruptcies-and-suicides-rise/

Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 6:59pm On Sep 23, 2019
Abbeybailey:
Agreed with that. What pisses me off with Trump backers here is the followers accepting his words like gospel despite everyone knowing that the guy is an habitual liar. Never seen a 73 year old pathological and sociopathic lying man like the president of a country I dearly treasures.
I don't "dearly treasure" your country like you do but I should understand your compassion, especially with the fear of a 2 term trump! I'm predicting he will rig it or declare war if he loses, by the way.

Not everyone knows that the guy is an habitual liar, and some don't care as long as he is on the side of their maga values.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 7:15pm On Sep 23, 2019
coluka:

These questions you are asking shows that you don't even read your own posts, it's all fake news, Trump didn't threaten to withold aid from Ukraine if they don't investigate biden, he didn't even offer anything in return. Go and read the WSJ article you yourself posted earlier, it's all there. The Ukrainians themselves have denied that they put under any pressure by Donald Trump so why do you keep sticking to fake news?
At this point you are debating with big grown chickens; cos no matter what facts you throw at them, they'll simply shake it off and continue hallucinating in their own self-made delusions grin grin

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 7:19pm On Sep 23, 2019
stanech:
The Ukrainian Government just said they weren’t pressured at all during the “nice” call. Sleepy Joe Biden, on the other hand, forced a tough prosecutor out from investigating his son’s company by threat of not giving big dollars to Ukraine. That’s the real story!
Lol.. you think those libtards give a dime?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Abbeybailey(m): 7:37pm On Sep 23, 2019
budaatum:

I don't "dearly treasure" your country like you do but I should understand your compassion, especially with the fear of a 2 term trump! I'm predicting he will rig it or declare war if he loses, by the way.

Not everyone knows that the guy is an habitual liar, and some don't care as long as he is on the side of their maga values.
I guess you are right. The guys that do not know what we go through here especially when they don't know what It means to live in a Western World. They can believe the junk they want to especially coming from a well known pathological lying scum.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 8:00pm On Sep 23, 2019
President Trump calls on the nations of the world to end religious persecution...promotes freedom of Worship.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 10:59pm On Sep 23, 2019
obixcel:
President Trump calls on the nations of the world to end religious persecution...promotes freedom of Worship.
Trump ignores the elephant in the room!

Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Abbeybailey(m): 11:38pm On Sep 23, 2019
obixcel:
Lol.. you think those libtards give a dime?
Americanna wanna be, it's giving a damn not dime. Dime is 10cents coin here. Another American fact 101 for a would be Americanna.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 7:07am On Sep 24, 2019
Abbeybailey:
Americanna wanna be, it's giving a damn not dime. Dime is 10cents coin here. Another American fact 101 for a would be Americanna.
Thanks, Mr. Robot

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 8:14am On Sep 24, 2019
obixcel:
Thanks, Mr. Robot
Lol grin grin grin

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