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op there are no different and also know when Jesus was the earth He was operating like a man though He was God and after His restoration (fulfilling God's purpose on earth) all power was given to Him ( His Name was exalted)

Jodera:
Yeah, I agree with your post in terms of criticism. But in the end, both of you are saying same thing. Which is Paul isn't contradicting what Christ says, but Paul is expressing all what Christ says in clearer terms. And if any one feels contradictory, then the help of the holy spirit is needed to explain it more for better understanding. So basically both of you're saying same thing.
What op was just saying was that he's debunking the misconceptions which says that Paul writings and speech are contradicting that of Christ

Yeah but it's only a farce. Look critically at OPs post you'll see its really trying to replace some of Jesus' teachings with a more "progressed" teaching of Paul. Again and again it makes comparisons towards this. That's what I'm very much opposed to. A lot of people think Paul brought more light to what Jesus brought and as such we should move on to that not realising Paul's letters' scope was limited to gentile churches while Jesus's went as far as the end of the age and were from a higher perspective. And such people will often promote Paul's teaching and try to look for how to make Jesus' agree with it(in their attempt to not discard Jesus'). But It's a world apart from taking Jesus' teaching literally and getting to see Paul's agree with it (which we should tend to). That's why I suggested the safe approach in my post. Again I stress that we are not progressing from Jesus' teaching to Paul's (just because the gospels come before the epistles) but from Paul's to Jesus' because Jesus spoke from the higher perspective. So u see that the post and I only seem to agree but are still worlds apart. It is VERY dangerous for our spiritual lives to remove Jesus' teaching from being our foundation or to at any point progress from it to any other's, we should only look to see them in the teachings of others. Believe me, this makes a great difference in our lives.

unstoppable51:
"Weak" is an understatement. Majority of our Nigerian youths only read headlines.
That's why we're so ignorant of the Word of God

Yeah but it's only a farce. Look critically at OPs post you'll see he's really trying to replace some of Jesus' teachings with a more "progressed" teaching of Paul. Again and again he makes comparisons towards this. That's what I'm very much opposed to. A lot of people think Paul brought more light to what Jesus brought and as such we should move on to that not realising Paul's letters' scope was limited to gentile churches while Jesus's went as far as the end of the age and were from a higher perspective. And such people will often promote Paul's teaching and try to look for how to make Jesus' agree with it(in their attempt to not discard Jesus'). But It's a world apart from taking Jesus' teaching literally and getting to see Paul's agree with it (which we should tend to). That's why I suggested the safe approach in my post. Again I stress that we are not progressing from Jesus' teaching to Paul's (just because the gospels come before the epistles) but from Paul's to Jesus' because Jesus spoke from the higher perspective. So u see that OP and I only seem to agree but are still worlds apart. It is VERY dangerous for our spiritual lives to remove Jesus' teaching from being our foundation or to at any point progress from it to any other's, we should only look to see them in the teachings of others. Believe me, this makes a great difference in our lives.
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@OP stop manipulating scriptures, John 14:26 means only remembrance(not understanding) and I checked that with several Greek lexicons, so please always be humble and reverent enough to not adjust scriptures to match your theories no matter how true they seem to be to you.

unstoppable51:
A Closer Look At The Words Of Jesus & The Pauline Revelations (Epistles) From FeedMeJesus.com

Looking at the teachings of Jesus in the four Gospels (the books: Matthew, Mark, Luke & John), there seems to be a very wide gap between what Jesus taught and what we see apostle Paul teach in his epistles.

For instance, in Matthew 6:14-15 we see Jesus saying “For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”

However when Paul wrote his epistles to the Ephesians and Colossians, he said something that looked like an opposite of what Jesus said. He puts his this way:

Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

He urged believers to forgive others not so as God will forgive them but because God has ALREADY forgiven them.

Again, in Matthew 19:16-22, a young man asked Jesus what he must do to have eternal life. In His reply Jesus said:

Mat 19:17 ……Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

Jesus recommended a complete keeping of the Law and philanthropy to that young man. A few years later Paul was asked a similar question alongside his companion Silas by a Prison warder, and here is what they replied:

Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

While Paul recommended just Faith in the Son of God Jesus to be all that is needed to be saved and have eternal life, it seems as though Jesus Himself recommended works alone to be all it takes.

Is Paul then a false teacher? Are his teachings truly in contradiction to Jesus’ own? Should we disregard the writings of Paul completely or is there something we are not getting clearly as a church when we look at the teachings of Jesus and the writings of Paul? Let’s go further.

To truly understand why Paul wrote the things he did, we need to first of all understand that the Bible is a book of progressive revelation which was never complete until the very last book. That means until we have read it through to the very last book and gotten witnesses from its numerous authors, we cannot turn “a statement” in it into a basis for Faith, a doctrine.

This is because the book was written in such a way that you will find the explanation and confirmations of the things you read as you proceed to the very end. So taking a statement from Jesus in the book of Matthew alone and establishing it as a doctrine will not be the best thing to do until you have read through the other books.

Why is this so? Because before His death (in the Gospels), Jesus said He had many things to say (bring to understanding, explain, teach) to His disciples concerning the things he had already said to them before and things to come. But He couldn’t say those things to them because the disciples couldn’t bear them then. He however said the Holy Spirit, when He has come to live in them, will teach, explain and show them those things He couldn’t due to their inability to bear them them then.

Joh 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The word “remembrance” Jesus used in that verse 26 above is actually better translated as “understanding”. That means what Jesus meant in that verse is that the Holy Spirit will bring to their understanding the things Jesus said while He was physically present with them. He (the Spirit of God) will give them the revelation, the explanations of His words beyond what the average man could understand. Verse 25 of that John 14 above makes this clearer.

While talking with His disciples again in John 16, Jesus reiterated this one more time to show how relevant it is for the Spirit (the one who explains everything) to come live in them.

Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

The Holy Spirit shall show them things to come. The words “things to come” in that verse is not talking about “visions, dreams etc.” It is actually talking about the “death, burial and resurrection of Jesus” which was to come immediately after Jesus finished those statements. Those events are what Jesus meant there, not some distant future things.

In other words, the Holy Spirit will reveal to the disciples the mysteries of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. That is, why Jesus had to die, was buried and resurrected. The things He did for us via His death, burial and resurrection. The benefits His death brought for us such as grace, peace, righteousness, justification, etc. These are the things to come which the Holy Spirit would teach and have the disciples pen down in their letters to the church.

It is these “things to come” that apostle Paul devoted his time to know and Jesus by His Spirit revealed them to Him as he looked diligently into the Old Testament scriptures and prophecies concerning Salvation. This revelation of the finished works of Christ which Jesus Himself by His Spirit brought to Paul’s understanding was what inspired him to boldly write the things he did in all his epistles.
[b]
Eph 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Eph 3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Eph 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ.[/b]

He went on to explain how come about this his revelations and teachings again in Galatians 1:11-20. Here is how he puts it:

[b]Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Gal 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

Gal 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

Gal 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Gal 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

Gal 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

Gal 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not. [/b]

Now to confirm that the things Paul wrote in all his epistles are true, James, Peter and John, the pillars of the church, gave him the needed support. Paul called this support the right hand of fellowship to go share his Gospel revelations with the gentiles. A kind of saying “go ahead brother Paul, we are behind you because these things you teach are true.”

Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

In his own epistle, apostle Peter further confirmed this:

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Notice how Peter did not only confirm a single epistle of Paul but all of them at the same time. Read that verse 16 again. He gave witness to EVERYTHING Paul said and wrote in ALL his epistles. That is to show that everything Paul said in all his epistles were correct.

So when next someone wants to make you believe that Paul was wrong or is a false teacher, be steadfast in your faith and rebuke them. Paul’s teachings are never against the teachings of Jesus. They are actually the continuation and explanations of what Jesus would have us the church to know today. There are no errors in those teachings. The Spirit of God made sure there was never an error in them so the church won’t be misled today.

I hope this blesses you. Now lift your hands to the Father and thank Him for the entire revelation of His Word, His Son, to us.

Glory to Jesus our King eternal.

Source: https://www.feedmejesus.com/2019/05/are-teachings-of-paul-against-teachings-of-jesus.html

Don't write for writing sake what you dabble into and the example you gave are not indept as should look for scriptures that really support your heading.

There is a difference between both, but it doesn't mean one is against the other. The gospel as preached by Jesus of Nazareth was a work God would do; but the gospel was preached by Paul as a work God had done. See?

The gospel did not start from Matthew, because in fact, the days of Jesus of Nazareth was the days when the law was still in operation. The gospel of Jesus Christ came into effect in the Acts of the Apostles.

The Writer Of This Epistel Should Visit Alfa Yahaya In Ilorin For More Knowledge..

001spice:
U no get work. Nothing is different

thank u jare, i see nothing different there

AgentNairaland:
The Writer Of This Epistel Should Visit Alfa Yahaya In Ilorin For More Knowledge..

Canal minds. Always trying to analyse the work of God with the ordinary mind. The word of God is not in the prints. The prints is an ordinary paper (apology to the ones who still sleep with their bible under their pillows). The actual word of God is in the Rhema, the Revelation you caught while studying the word by the help of the spirit of God. So you can keep at analyzing, so long it makes you feel better about yourself. But know that, until you start studying the word properly, you case will continue to be that of 'THE MORE YOU SEE, THE LESS YOU UNDERSTAND'.

Finallydead:
Yeah but it's only a farce. Look critically at OPs post you'll see he's really trying to replace some of Jesus' teachings with a more "progressed" teaching of Paul. Again and again he makes comparisons towards this. That's what I'm very much opposed to. A lot of people think Paul brought more light to what Jesus brought and as such we should move on to that not realising Paul's letters' scope was limited to gentile churches while Jesus's went as far as the end of the age and were from a higher perspective. And such people will often promote Paul's teaching and try to look for how to make Jesus' agree with it(in their attempt to not discard Jesus'). But It's a world apart from taking Jesus' teaching literally and getting to see Paul's agree with it (which we should tend to). That's why I suggested the safe approach in my post. Again I stress that we are not progressing from Jesus' teaching to Paul's (just because the gospels come before the epistles) but from Paul's to Jesus' because Jesus spoke from the higher perspective. So u see that OP and I only seem to agree but are still worlds apart. It is VERY dangerous for our spiritual lives to remove Jesus' teaching from being our foundation or to at any point progress from it to any other's, we should only look to see them in the teachings of others. Believe me, this makes a great difference in our lives.

Now this is great and I very much agree with what you said. This is the constructive criticism that is required and reading both you and OP's own I personally see what you're talking about

unstoppable51:
A Closer Look At The Words Of Jesus & The Pauline Revelations (Epistles) From FeedMeJesus.com

Looking at the teachings of Jesus in the four Gospels (the books: Matthew, Mark, Luke & John), there seems to be a very wide gap between what Jesus taught and what we see apostle Paul teach in his epistles.

For instance, in Matthew 6:14-15 we see Jesus saying “For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”

However when Paul wrote his epistles to the Ephesians and Colossians, he said something that looked like an opposite of what Jesus said. He puts his this way:

Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

He urged believers to forgive others not so as God will forgive them but because God has ALREADY forgiven them.

Again, in Matthew 19:16-22, a young man asked Jesus what he must do to have eternal life. In His reply Jesus said:

Mat 19:17 ……Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

Jesus recommended a complete keeping of the Law and philanthropy to that young man. A few years later Paul was asked a similar question alongside his companion Silas by a Prison warder, and here is what they replied:

Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

While Paul recommended just Faith in the Son of God Jesus to be all that is needed to be saved and have eternal life, it seems as though Jesus Himself recommended works alone to be all it takes.

Is Paul then a false teacher? Are his teachings truly in contradiction to Jesus’ own? Should we disregard the writings of Paul completely or is there something we are not getting clearly as a church when we look at the teachings of Jesus and the writings of Paul? Let’s go further.

To truly understand why Paul wrote the things he did, we need to first of all understand that the Bible is a book of progressive revelation which was never complete until the very last book. That means until we have read it through to the very last book and gotten witnesses from its numerous authors, we cannot turn “a statement” in it into a basis for Faith, a doctrine.

This is because the book was written in such a way that you will find the explanation and confirmations of the things you read as you proceed to the very end. So taking a statement from Jesus in the book of Matthew alone and establishing it as a doctrine will not be the best thing to do until you have read through the other books.

Why is this so? Because before His death (in the Gospels), Jesus said He had many things to say (bring to understanding, explain, teach) to His disciples concerning the things he had already said to them before and things to come. But He couldn’t say those things to them because the disciples couldn’t bear them then. He however said the Holy Spirit, when He has come to live in them, will teach, explain and show them those things He couldn’t due to their inability to bear them them then.

Joh 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The word “remembrance” Jesus used in that verse 26 above is actually better translated as “understanding”. That means what Jesus meant in that verse is that the Holy Spirit will bring to their understanding the things Jesus said while He was physically present with them. He (the Spirit of God) will give them the revelation, the explanations of His words beyond what the average man could understand. Verse 25 of that John 14 above makes this clearer.

While talking with His disciples again in John 16, Jesus reiterated this one more time to show how relevant it is for the Spirit (the one who explains everything) to come live in them.

Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

The Holy Spirit shall show them things to come. The words “things to come” in that verse is not talking about “visions, dreams etc.” It is actually talking about the “death, burial and resurrection of Jesus” which was to come immediately after Jesus finished those statements. Those events are what Jesus meant there, not some distant future things.

In other words, the Holy Spirit will reveal to the disciples the mysteries of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. That is, why Jesus had to die, was buried and resurrected. The things He did for us via His death, burial and resurrection. The benefits His death brought for us such as grace, peace, righteousness, justification, etc. These are the things to come which the Holy Spirit would teach and have the disciples pen down in their letters to the church.

It is these “things to come” that apostle Paul devoted his time to know and Jesus by His Spirit revealed them to Him as he looked diligently into the Old Testament scriptures and prophecies concerning Salvation. This revelation of the finished works of Christ which Jesus Himself by His Spirit brought to Paul’s understanding was what inspired him to boldly write the things he did in all his epistles.
[b]
Eph 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Eph 3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Eph 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ.[/b]

He went on to explain how come about this his revelations and teachings again in Galatians 1:11-20. Here is how he puts it:

[b]Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Gal 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

Gal 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

Gal 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Gal 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

Gal 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

Gal 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not. [/b]

Now to confirm that the things Paul wrote in all his epistles are true, James, Peter and John, the pillars of the church, gave him the needed support. Paul called this support the right hand of fellowship to go share his Gospel revelations with the gentiles. A kind of saying “go ahead brother Paul, we are behind you because these things you teach are true.”

Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

In his own epistle, apostle Peter further confirmed this:

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Notice how Peter did not only confirm a single epistle of Paul but all of them at the same time. Read that verse 16 again. He gave witness to EVERYTHING Paul said and wrote in ALL his epistles. That is to show that everything Paul said in all his epistles were correct.

So when next someone wants to make you believe that Paul was wrong or is a false teacher, be steadfast in your faith and rebuke them. Paul’s teachings are never against the teachings of Jesus. They are actually the continuation and explanations of what Jesus would have us the church to know today. There are no errors in those teachings. The Spirit of God made sure there was never an error in them so the church won’t be misled today.

I hope this blesses you. Now lift your hands to the Father and thank Him for the entire revelation of His Word, His Son, to us.

Glory to Jesus our King eternal.

Source: https://www.feedmejesus.com/2019/05/are-teachings-of-paul-against-teachings-of-jesus.html

No contradiction at all

SultanOfAbia:
The Bible has
1. Spiritual Meaning
2. Literal Meaning

A lot of Christians only see the literal meaning of the word of God.
An example is when Jesus healed the blind man in Jericho
In physical literal terms Jesus gave him his sight
But what that signifies in the spiritual meaning is the Lords desire to cure mankind from the state of spiritual blindness. When you see in the bible the word blindness it means spiritual blindness.

Jesus is the light. And the Eye is a symbol of understanding. A healthy eye will absorb light so you can see. Lack of understanding means the eye can't absorb light properly and the person can't see which causes blindness.
The deeper spiritual meaning of the Word of God has more wisdom

U really have made no sense

reading the first few sentences alone ..I Just concluded that the op no get work

There is no contradiction whatsoever, and don't try to create one. Happy Sunday.

You are quoting the Bible out of context. If you follow Paul teachings he acknowledged Jesus as the messiah he even forbid the worship of angels. He never in any of his teachings contradict Christ.
Infact Jesus teachings were bases of Paul teachings

Of course there are slight differences between the teachings of Jesus and that of Apostle Paul!

One thing we must bear in mind is the fact that Jesus preached and teach all his life amongst Israelites {Jews}, so when he appointed Paul as a special Apostle, Jesus made Paul the Apostle to the gentiles! Romans 11:13 compared to Act 9:15

Jesus preached and taught people who are used to God's laws but Paul must preach and teach people who knew nothing about God's laws!

So there must be variations in the way both of them present their teachings!

However let everyone know that Paul was highly educated and he is well exposed, that's why Jesus chose him for the job!

Thanks, and God bless you for this thread!

Elijahrona:
The best way to hide something from a black man is to hide it in a book.

This is how far I got in this thread before deciding not one of you knows the history of the time and what was going on between the Apostles who went about with the Lord and Paul who saw Christ only in the Spirit. My apologies to those who do know and who I might have missed.

There's an awful lot of assumed knowledge of the outright ignorant who have not even read their Bible but think they can possibly fully understand what Paul was writing in his extreme high intellectual Greek. They remind me of people who have not fed on the Word claiming their belly is full of it, and this, despite discussing Paul, he for whom without there'd be no Word.

One good thing about this is the Holy Spirit convicts you of your lack of knowledge if you do not allow your own conscience to. Another is it informs you to do something about the gaps in your knowledge.

For those who wish to increase knowledge start with Paul the Apostle and Pauline Christianity, after reading your Bible of course.

Then consider Bible Study Tools Paul and Jesus and Christianity Today's Jesus vs. Paul (though wonder why some hide some of it).

Then read the article, Christianity Before Paul by James D Tabor, and his book, Paul and Jesus: How the Apostle Transformed Christianity equally titled.

And then wonder if Paul Invented Christian and if so, why.

This reading list is not in anyway intended as all there is so if anyone is led by the Holy Spirit to decrease ignorance and increase knowledge further, may God be glorified.

budaatum:
This is how far I got in this thread before deciding not one of you knows the history of the time and what was going on between the Apostles who went about with the Lord and Paul who saw Christ only in the Spirit. My apologies to those who do know and who I might have missed.

There's an awful lot of assumed knowledge of the outright ignorant who have not even read their Bible but think they can possibly fully understand what Paul was writing in his extreme high intellectual Greek. They remind me of people who have not fed on the Word claiming their belly is full of it, and this, despite discussing Paul, he for whom without there'd be no Word.

One good thing about this is the Holy Spirit convicts you of your lack of knowledge if you do not allow your own conscience to. Another is it informs you to do something about the gaps in your knowledge.

For those who wish to increase knowledge start with Paul the Apostle and Pauline Christianity, after reading your Bible of course.

Then consider Bible Study Tools Paul and Jesus and Christianity Today's Jesus vs. Paul (though wonder why some hide some of it).

Then read the article, Christianity Before Paul by James D Tabor, and his book, Paul and Jesus: How the Apostle Transformed Christianity equally titled.

And then wonder if Paul Invented Christian and if so, why.

This reading list is not in anyway intended as all there is so if anyone is led by the Holy Spirit to decrease ignorance and increase knowledge further, may God be glorified.

Okay... So why was I quoted?
Like i don't mean to be offensive o

Elijahrona:
Okay... So why was I quoted?

You were as far as I got and found an intelligent comment.

budaatum:
You were as far as I got and found an intelligent comment.

Awww. Now i feel cool... And dumb .

Elijahrona:
Awww. Now i feel cool... And dumb .

You are cool.

budaatum:
You are cool.

Thanks very much �. You too... I read your answer

Yabsun:
Op, Jesus is alive when He(Jesus) made this quote: "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” It was after Jesus's death that Paul said this:

ph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

Bottom line is that through the grace of His death, we are saved and our sins are forgiven for those that beliveth in Him. This grace hasn't abound when Jesus made the quote.

Exactly my take on it.

donnie:
Nope it doesn't, grail like Christianity was used by Europeans to conquer the world.

that's wats u think u knw..... study the work.. in the light of truth.... n examine by urself

michael132:
that's wats u think u knw..... study the work.. in the light of truth.... n examine by urself

You be real grail message. It's before I used to be bothered about Paul and what Satan's children have used those letters to do as Peter warned.

One thing is sure. We do not abolish the law, rather we establish it. Romans 3:3. Any time Paul seems to veer off with his own man-made doctrine, as an Isrealite I discard such wrong teaching under the authority of the TORAH. Dasol.

PureGoldh:
Ok....I Dont see any difference in Jesus's teachings and Paul's teachings...

The word of God is too deep That you need the interpretation from the Holy Spirit for you to be able to understand it very well.

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You have to have blinders on in order not to see it!

1 Peter 3 v 15-16

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

hisexcellency34:
Rubbish talk. The Bible is God's word

The Bible books themselves tell you that instead Jesus Christ is the Word of God. Nowhere in that book are you told that the Bible itself is the Word of God. Open your eyes and learn the Truth of the God your claim to Worship

SultanOfAbia:
The Bible has
1. Spiritual Meaning
2. Literal Meaning

A lot of Christians only see the literal meaning of the word of God.
An example is when Jesus healed the blind man in Jericho
In physical literal terms Jesus gave him his sight
But what that signifies in the spiritual meaning is the Lords desire to cure mankind from the state of spiritual blindness. When you see in the bible the word blindness it means spiritual blindness.

Jesus is the light. And the Eye is a symbol of understanding. A healthy eye will absorb light so you can see. Lack of understanding means the eye can't absorb light properly and the person can't see which causes blindness.
The deeper spiritual meaning of the Word of God has more wisdom

Where in the Bible do you get that the Bible has "spiritual" meaning?

The book itself is written by men(humans) in human language and to be comprehended in much the same way you would any writing that is presented you in human speak.

Even Jesus Christ never told you that there was a "spiritual" aspect to the Bible, so again where do you get these lies you tell yourselves about the Bible from?

supportnija:
Brother forget this long episode, do the following if want to make heaven
1.Humility
2.Love
3.Mercy
4.Forgive
The above are the virtues of God, and if you most see him , you must be like him

Nowheree in the teachings of Jesus Christ Himself does He tell you that what you listed above will get you into His Kingdom.

So what is the meaning of living according to your own rules and doctrines?

DIVFAVOR:
Same thing bro, Christ preached love mostly and expressed it by given His life for all, while Paul preached Christ because Christ is love and the law we have now.

Jesus Christ taught you the details of His New Covenant.

Paul in his letters focused more on higher-level issues many of which do not address the very terms and conditions set by Jesus Christ Himself, and in many cases, run contrary to the very teachings of Jesus Christ.

princeade86:
u also should read what u wrote. he didn't preach against Jesus, but telling people that with Christ in them, God can do things while Jesus said His own directly. so how did he teach against Jesus Christ. stop misleading ignorant people on this forum because u yourself know that there are many people on nairaland that don't have senses of reasoning.

Paul's letters contain doctrines that are not of Jesus Christ