₦airaland Forum

raybaba97:
since you're so confident you know more about my lg than me, tell me just one ilaje town in the local government and watch me burst your bubble

First tell me the tribes in Ondo and watch me bust your bubble.

Or tell me how a full Ijaw man has Ajayi as his first name.

Imposter!

ekiti

raybaba97:
Have you heard akoko dialects before?

if you have, I want you to tell me if you can understand a lick of what they're saying.

honestly.

Oga stops lying, I am from akoko, we have a dialet that is among the family Yoruba east linguist group. Oyo dialect is the general dialect that the Yorubas have adopted, that doesn't mean that akokos are not Yoruba.

As an Ikare man, I can here ijesa, Ekiti, kabas, and other eastern Yoruba dialect without any problem

abdulwastecx:
Ekiti and Ondo's state have 40% none oduduwa group?
What are you smoking bro?

Ekiti has close to zero none Yoruba group while Ondo has some Ijaw immigrants along its shore, I will be surprised if all none Yorubas in these two states is up to 5%

Actually, Ekiti state is 100% indigenous Yoruba, and we are the only sub group that have have our own state, speak same Yoruba dialect.

MelesZenawi:
Is absolutely light. You can't just wake up and say u not yoruba..

You speak, u dress, culturally infact every every u like them...even raybaba as moniker...and you decide to come up with this.

I don't agree or try to enforce Ignorance.


Ondo is a Yoruba state and you are a Yoruba man.

You are nothing but a hypocrite! The same you would encourage the Ikas, ikwerres, ekpeyes, Ndokwas etc to deny their igbo brothers, with whom they share virtually everything with. From language, food and culture..you guys are nothing but the devil.
But you can only deceive the gullibles and not me!

raybaba97:
I'd like you to tell that to someone from that tribe and hear their reply.

My mum is from issua ekiti by the way.

Many Ijaws have maternal Yoruba ancestry (I'm assuming your claim is true).

Babanah:
That is not true who were the original inhabitants of takwa bay takwa is an ijaw word

You better don't believe everything you read on Nairaland. I am a bonafied Lagos Indigene. Nothing like Ijaw in Lagos. Lagos consist of 4 groups with Awori being the majority indigenes, others are Ijebu being second and settler, then Egbas also settlers and lastly Guns or Eguns aka Ewe people which are 4th in population and are indigenes. Nothing like Ijaws or even Ilajes (even though they are yorubas) they are not indigenes in Lagos.

Anything or anyone out those 4 groups are migrates.

I am Awori (benin origin) from Lagos.

aljharem:
You better don't believe everything you read on Nairaland. I am a bonafied Lagos Indigene. Nothing like Ijaw in Lagos. Lagos consist of 4 groups with Awori being the majority indigenes, others are Ijebu being second and settler, then Egbas also settlers and lastly Guns or Eguns aka Ewe people which are 4th in population and are indigenes. Nothing like Ijaws or even Ilajes (even though they are yorubas) they are not indigenes in Lagos.

Anything or anyone out those 4 groups are migrates.

I am Awori (benin origin) from Lagos.

What of the Tapas/Nupes? Are they not the owners/indigenes of Oshodi?

anonimi:
What of the Tapas/Nupes? Are they not the owners/indigenes of Oshodi?

No they are not

Balogun Tapa Oshodi was rewarded for his loyalty to Oba of lagos by naming a part of Epetedo after him.

The homeland of Tapa is far from Lagos.

aljharem:
You better don't believe everything you read on Nairaland. I am a bonafied Lagos Indigene. Nothing like Ijaw in Lagos. Lagos consist of 4 groups with Awori being the majority indigenes, others are Ijebu being second and settler, then Egbas also settlers and lastly Guns or Eguns aka Ewe people which are 4th in population and are indigenes. Nothing like Ijaws or even Ilajes (even though they are yorubas) they are not indigenes in Lagos.

Anything or anyone out those 4 groups are migrates.

I am Awori (benin origin) from Lagos.

What do you mean by Benin orgin?

Awori doesn't originate from Benin

MelesZenawi:
Is absolutely light. You can't just wake up and say u not yoruba..

You speak, u dress, culturally infact every every u like them...even raybaba as moniker...and you decide to come up with this.

I don't agree or try to enforce Ignorance.


Ondo is a Yoruba state and you are a Yoruba man.

You re such a hypocrite, you encourage Igbo clans like ika ikwerre anioma to deny thr Igboness but here u re saying once they dress same dat u re yoruba,,,
using the same logic u argue against wen it concern Igbo people... U argue against people who speak same language

Yoruba Muslim from osogbo

Charleys:
Ekiti does not have any history of Oduduwa, check your records.

That's not true. Just state you dont know history. Key actors in Yoruba history; orunmila, Adimula(oduduwa), ogun etc have something to do with Ekiti and Ondo states.

Nothing is wrong for Ijaw in ondo state to fully acculturate and even be Yoruba if they've been there since 1945 or even long before. What is wrong with the Apoi, they are Yorubanized and it's absolutely okay. Look at Kogi west, many Ebira bear Yoruba names and Yorubanized, to me, nothing is wrong with Ebira Yoruba, Apoi Yoruba, Arogbo Yoruba, Tiv Yoruba. Nothing is wrong with that at all. If someone have up to 10generations even 4th generations, I think they should naturalized.
This is one of the signs of modernity and acceptability. I had secondary school classmates from Apoi who bear pure Yoruba names like Kole etc and the other Arogbo who you would only know he was ijaw in name only. I mean, what stops an igbo man that has lived in Ibadan having great grand children that had not even been to the east? Those children are Igbo Yoruba some of them are more Yoruba than many pure Yoruba born in Lagos. They are Igbo Yoruba generation. I had a classmate in the university then who could speak Ekiti dialect like nobody, in fact, he was an Ekiti boy with igbo parents.

The key problem is the way we segregate in Africa across ethnic and tribal lines, I've met 2nd or 3rd generations of Yoruba in the North in fact there is s particular town in Katsina state attributed to Yoruba founders, a large town and they have no emir or seriki and indigent of the town are scrutinised politically.
I feel integration will help us grow better. However those who see themselves more as a different people should be allowed too as what they are. So to my Ijaw Yoruba friend, I embrace you omoluabi, welcome but remember, the Yoruba lifestyle and mentality is important but more important is being a child of God. Thank you.

raybaba97:
that's what I'm trying to get at.

Our culture is not the same. we do a lot of things differently and we have different gods. we have oborowe and some others here not Ogun and the rest of their ilk.

we have different cultural dresses, our marriage ceremonies differ, and more.

we're guilty of being Yoruba by association and not by origin.

we're too different to be core Yoruba even though a lot of us see ourselves that way.

I'm not being political or anything like it, I'm just trying to establish certain facts which is that we are a different type of Yoruba

Thank you the only where i have argument with you is about population both ijaw arogbo and ijaw apoi are not up to 12% they should be 7% because I know ondo state very well.

Charleys:
Ekiti does not have any history of Oduduwa, check your records.

Who is this ?

Iamgrey5:
Bro you are still lying here

Tell me the other tribes in Ondo.


Mention them !

And while you might have migrated to other regions in small numbers. You only dominate Ese odo LGA hence you can not be more than 5% in Ondo.


And No, the current Deputy governor is not Ijaw.

Ilaje man here.

What he is saying is very simple. I understand and agree with him because Ilaje, Apoi Ijaw and Arogbo Ijaw are neighbors. We actually used to be in the same local government.

The Apoi and Arogbo are both Ijaw people in Origin. While the Arogbo still speak the Ijaw language, Apoi people speak their own Yoruba dialect. They no longer speak Ijaw. But you can still tell their Ijaw origin from the names of their towns and the name of their gods. They have also absorbed a lot of Yoruba culture while still have a little of their Ijaw culture.

So the deputy governor of Ondo state is an Apoi Ijaw. Of course, his language is Yoruba, but their people are Ijaw people who have been Yorubanised, linguistically and culturally.

I personally choose to see them as Yoruba because all the peoples who are called Yoruba today cannot all have come from the same place. Many other people must have been from different places but just lost their languages. It is only the person whose history you know that becomes the odd one, when in fact there must be many like them.

abdulwastecx:
Don't mind that guy, I am from Ondo state an akoko indigene. The question is how can they be the fourth most influential tribe when they are not the most influential tribe in Ondo south senatorial district?

Akoko has the highest number of local government, followed by Ondo town, followed by Akure, then owo.
How can you be 10% of a state where you haven't produce any notable politician throughout its existence.

Ondo is a pure southwestern state any none Yoruba in the state is a settler. I am from Ikare in akoko northeast lga

As long as any tribe came to their present location before Nigeria was born, they are not immigrants. They belong where they are.

Going by that your up side down reasoning it means Egun people are immigrants in Ogun and Lagos State.

Iamgrey5:
Stop lying!

No one is going in circles.

My sister is married to a man from Owo and I know alot about their culture.

No one from Akoko Ondo, Akure, Ondo, okitipupa and Ilaje would claim they are not Yourubas.

The tiny Ijaw communities in six or seven villages in Ondo state can claim to be Japanese for all we care.

Many people think ijaws are many in ondo state now they are seen it now that ijaws are not more than 7%, ondo, akure, ilajes, owo, ikale, are Yoruba's they speak Yoruba and they understand themselves except ijaw

Iamgrey5:
The guy is likely trolling.

I don't think he has been to Ondo all his life.

You are the one who does not know your state. I am Ilaje, we are neighbors with the Apois and I agree with most of what he is saying.

abdulwastecx:
Ekiti and Ondo's state have 40% none oduduwa group?
What are you smoking bro?

Ekiti has close to zero none Yoruba group while Ondo has some Ijaw immigrants along its shore, I will be surprised if all none Yorubas in these two states is up to 5%

You cannot call any group that has lived where they are before Nigeria was born Immigrants. They are owners of where they are.

Iamgrey5:
First tell me the tribes in Ondo and watch me bust your bubble.

Or tell me how a full Ijaw man has Ajayi as his first name.

Imposter!

Apoi speak a Yoruba dialect but the people are originally Ijaw. What part of that is so difficult to understand.
They bear Yoruba names because they speak Yoruba.

orisa37:
When you advertise a new Yam Festival in Yoruba Land, we say you are looking for Associates and Accomplices in Business.

The Ibos are like that. They're Xenophobic in Nature.. It is a Subterfuge.

Its a Yoruba thread, but no you had to be a tribalistic person.
Back to Xenophobia I have never in print seen anywhere the Igbo tribe showed Xenophobic traits.

Iamgrey5:
Relax, I know you are an imposter.

We have Ilaje / Ese Odo LGA before 1996 as a single local government in Ondo state.

It was only sperated after many years of being a single local government in Ondo state.

You cannot tell me there's no Ilaje in Ese Odo LGA.

And most Apoi always have an Ijaw sounding surname. I don't believe Ajayi is one.

Maternal Yoruba ancestry.


http://ondostate.gov.ng/Home/Team/5fff4f84-61a1-49a0-9a41-00f96afae7c0


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Apoi_tribe

No human being grew out of the soil. The ancestors of everyone within this geographical area known as Nigeria came here from some place else, even though certain tribes have been living on their ancestral lands for thousands of years and the history of their migration from where ever they came from has been obliterated by time and the lack of a writing culture.

If this thread poster still finds it comfortable to claim his Ijaw ancestry, then so be it! It doesn't make him a 'settler' in a context different from that of the other tribal subgroups, nor should it strip him of political rights within the more homogenous Yoruba communities of Ondo state. So long his people have been there since before amalgamation, he has as much right as a Nigerian, as all the other indigenes of his state.

Everyone knows that the Ijaws have lived and fished on the greater stretch of the Nigerian coastline for hundreds of years, but the peculiarity of their lifestyle as fishermen who do not farm (and as a consequence cannot lay claim to much land) has turned into a major political drawback for them in today's Nigeria.

MelesZenawi:
Is absolutely light. You can't just wake up and say u not yoruba..

You speak, u dress, culturally infact every every u like them...even raybaba as moniker...and you decide to come up with this.

I don't agree or try to enforce Ignorance.


Ondo is a Yoruba state and you are a Yoruba man.

Can you respect his views? He said he isn't a Yoruba but an ijaw

Ondo State isn't a Yoruba state but a yoruba dominated state just like saying that rivers State. Isn't an igbo State but an Igbo dominated state

orisa37:
When you advertise a new Yam Festival in Yoruba Land, we say you are looking for Associates and Accomplices in Business.

The Ibos are like that. They're Xenophobic in Nature.. It is a Subterfuge.

I don't understand. How did Igbo's get here?
Tufiakwa madness.

orisa37:
When you advertise a new Yam Festival in Yoruba Land, we say you are looking for Associates and Accomplices in Business.

The Ibos are like that. They're Xenophobic in Nature.. It is a Subterfuge.

Leave Igbo out of your madness ....ondo Sint a Yoruba State

What type of student thread is this of the 3,500,009 (2016) population of ondo state not up to 17,009 migrated from ijaw Land so clearly ondo is a Yoruba state

AmuDimpka:
Can you respect his views? He said he isn't a Yoruba but an ijaw

Ondo State isn't a Yoruba state but a yoruba dominated state just like saying that rivers State. Isn't an igbo State but an Igbo dominated state

Enlighten us on diff btw what you just said now lol
Abia is not an Igbo state it’s just an ibo dominated state

AmuDimpka:
Can you respect his views? He said he isn't a Yoruba but an ijaw

Ondo State isn't a Yoruba state but a yoruba dominated state just like saying that rivers State. Isn't an igbo State but an Igbo dominated state

He does not say he is not Yoruba. He says he sees himself as both. I totally understand and respect his view.

Omoodua007:
What type of student thread is this of the 3,500,009 (2016) population of ondo state not up to 17,009 migrated from ijaw Land so clearly ondo is a Yoruba state

Ondo state population according to the last census is over five million. Where are you pulling your stats from?

Omoodua007:
Enlighten us on diff btw what you just said now lol
Abia is not an Igbo state it’s just an ibo dominated state

Ekiti is a Yoruba state because no other tribes are indigenous to the state apart from Yorubas.

Lagos and Ondo, however, are Yoruba dominated states because they have other ethnic minorities.

Just like Anambra is an Igbo dominated state because they have Igala minorities there.

We need to learn to respect minorities and acknowledge their presence in this country.
It shows we are people who believe in fairness and we would not take away another man's rights just because we are more powerful.

Well you try to sound politically correct but I dont think defining states in terms of ethnic group is what you should look at in this case.
Africans major resource and source of inheritance in history is land and that's why whether in south African, Namibia or Zimbabwe, land is a big issue, life depends on land because alongside water, it's the means of survival. Fulani and Ijaw are two largest migrant ethnic groups in Nigeria and so it will be quite understandable for resentments of other ethnic groups towards them the moment they want to claim land ownership. Ijaw are fishermen and so settle by the sea sides and dates of their first arrivals are known in Ondo state, it will therefore be difficult for them to lay claims to land, it is deemed where they occupy was bequeathed on them by the local rulers of the more indigenous people the ilaje/ikale. Remember all these have become necessary because of population explosion and mineral resources under the ground else problems would be limited.
If I can recall, I think it was when GEJ became president that the ijaw started claiming a revised version of population and proposal to annex oil rich coastal region into one ijaw state, if true, that was quite insensitive! This has therefore created an atmosphere of suspicion which was how it started in Delta state when suddenly communities began to make money from oil companies, ijaw became suddenly important and other groups were like wait o, these people were migrants how come?

However I still believe having new tribal groups lay claim to Yoruba isn't bad, in fact it should be the conscious effort of the Yoruba people; Apoi Yoruba, Arogbo Yoruba etc should be a welcomed development