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Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by Xclusiveme: 2:41pm On Oct 08, 2019
This is a very lnteresting topic. Let me help by clarifying things here.
When a child is been born, a gender is assigned to him/her due to the physical characteristics. Being a man or a woman isn't about your physical structure. It's how you think and behave. Tomboy/girl is just an incomplete transformation to being who they want to be. They don't have the will power or strong mind to tell the world that they don't literally fit in their bodies cos of the society. They are not coached enough about genderism. So as they are growing up, they are stuck with who they are from birth and not who they want to be. That's why you see tomboy and Tom girl everywhere. But sometimes due to a long term in their lives, their body and mind adjust. Either caused by the hormones or gender transparency. So tomboy is an efficacy to trans boy. Meaning incomplete transformation. With surgery and hormonal implants it's a full transformation

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Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by joepepsy(m): 2:46pm On Oct 08, 2019
What happened to your bobby?
missjo:
Being a tomboy or tomgirl has no correlation with being transgender.
Tomness is exhibited in purely physical ways like in subtle dressing, sports, talking style. Trans is psychological and involves a total transformation across genders. What i mean is, a tomboy is still a girl and can choose to act girly when they have to,they just prefer behaving as a boy. A trans will stick to their new gender and does not make switches.

I take this personally cos i am a tommy myself,so take it from me and be careful about mistaking toms for trans people
Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by Depressed101: 2:51pm On Oct 08, 2019
Kayceenaz:

I'm no bigot, bro. I meant if some people are not normal, which may be true, attempts should be made to correct the deviation. That two children are born as siamese doesn't suggest moves shouldn't be made to return them to normal, since remedies are available.
i have a cousin who is a tomboy, her parents did so many things to make her behave like she is supposed to, including sending her to all girls school... My uncle once hit her black and blue, asking *who will marry you*
They did all this things, nothing changed (anything other than this would be infringing on their human rights).... I used to don't like tomboys, because of the stereotypes I grew up with, people of the 90s didn't understand why they behave the way they do, they were considered social outcasts, wayward..... Anyway I came to love them through my encounter with my cousin, (you should meet them, their company is great, my cousin then had great fashion sense, we moved around together and the vibes they give is out of this world)
(she's happily married now tho with 2kids) but still wears jeans to church....


For the records they are not committing any crime by been tomboys
Why should someone change what makes them feel good, what they like, to please people around them....

You should rather appreciate and emulate the level of confidence they've attained

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Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by Kayceenaz(m): 2:56pm On Oct 08, 2019
etrange:


The same thing you stand to gain from behaving the way you behave. Y'all think a kid just wakes up and decides to be girly? The fact that there's nothing to gain is enough to tell you that's it's who they are and not a choice. We segregate a lot in this country, always looking for a reason to make others come off as "less".
The implication is nature is undecided and confused, since a person born female is programmed with male attitudes totally. Science has demonstrated nature's essence are orderliness and consistency. This insight helps you and me to this day.

Nature provides us choice, too, mostly for co-existing with its operations, harmony. Remaining a tomboy/tomgirl is a choice, claiming it is not does changes nothing. Choosing not to choose is itself a choice.
Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by dave4rella(m): 3:09pm On Oct 08, 2019
cool
I have one in my office, the girl acts like a man
But her boob's are gingantic
I'm thinking of fvcking her soon
But each time I think of making a move, it looks asif I'm approaching a follow man.
I had to back out mehn

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Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by Akuruoulo(m): 3:50pm On Oct 08, 2019
missjo:
Being a tomboy or tomgirl has no correlation with being transgender.
Tomness is exhibited in purely physical ways like in subtle dressing, sports, talking style. Trans is psychological and involves a total transformation across genders. What i mean is, a tomboy is still a girl and can choose to act girly when they have to,they just prefer behaving as a boy. A trans will stick to their new gender and does not make switches.

I take this personally cos i am a tommy myself,so take it from me and be careful about mistaking toms for trans people
. Take it easy TOMMY
Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by etrange: 3:58pm On Oct 08, 2019
Kayceenaz:

The implication is nature is undecided and confused, since a person born female is programmed with male attitudes totally. Science has demonstrated nature's essence are orderliness and consistency. This insight helps you and me to this day.

Nature provides us choice, too, mostly for co-existing with its operations, harmony. Remaining a tomboy/tomgirl is a choice, claiming it is not does changes nothing. Choosing not to choose is itself a choice.

Don't use the word "consistency" and "nature" in the same sentence, bro. Some people are born without pigment, some people are born conjoined, some people are born dwarf, some ladies are born with beards, some men are born with feminine voices, some guys can't grow beards, etc... nature is full of deviations and diversities and that's the beauty. You don't make people seem unnatural or feel bad about themselves simply because you don't like their nature. Girly teens are bullied in almost all high schools, some even get suicidal, you think they'd remain girly if they could change that?

The earlier we learn to accept our differences, the better for our world.

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Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by OluwasureGig: 5:08pm On Oct 08, 2019
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Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by IamCharles123: 6:01pm On Oct 08, 2019
uuzba:

Tomboy.
A stupid girl that refuse to dress as a girl, sit down and close her legs.
Whenever you speak to her, she will laugh, hahaha, that she knows she should calm down and behave feminine. It's just that kicking football and all those men, gra-gra stuff is sweating her body and she can save money by cutting her hair short.
She eventually grows out of it. Maybe, some angry fellow impregnates her, so she remember she's a girl and start wearing wrapper and head scarf.
When baby suck her breast well, she will remember she is a woman.

That is Tomboy that OP is talking about.

BUT
She can still wear trouser and be going to office O.
And during PTA meetings, children's inter-house sport, she will still attempt to use her high heel shoes to kick football, because it's still sweeting her body.
Na so
But i dont think there's anything bad in being a tomboy, i think its a phase they normally out grow, e get one of my guy babe, she was a tomboy but cute as fûck. I still know one in my school back then, that girl dey ball pass me wey be guy sef. Its not entirely bad to be a tomboy.
My opinion though.

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Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by IamCharles123: 6:07pm On Oct 08, 2019
youngestgrad:
Females who behave like boys more often than not grow out of it, they get married, get pregnant and that is the end of the tomboyish nature.
Have you guys noticed that guys who behave like females hardly ever grow out of such behaviors they are the bobrisky and his likes we have today.

This is because female chromosomes are XX which rarely cause masculine traits so this tomboyish behaviors are mostly externally influenced ie Environment factors. The male XY well obviously contains the X.......well you get my point.
Ya, that's valid, am now thinking it kinda difficult giving birth to a male child o, cause by default everyone is female.
A woman has x chromosome already waiting, the man gives his chromosome with could either b x or y. Truely its not essy to be a man.
Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by harriet412(f): 6:51pm On Oct 08, 2019
uuzba:

Tomboy.
A stupid girl that refuse to dress as a girl, sit down and close her legs.
Whenever you speak to her, she will laugh, hahaha, that she knows she should calm down and behave feminine. It's just that kicking football and all those men, gra-gra stuff is sweating her body and she can save money by cutting her hair short.
She eventually grows out of it. Maybe, some angry fellow impregnates her, so she remember she's a girl and start wearing wrapper and head scarf.
When baby suck her breast well, she will remember she is a woman.

That is Tomboy that OP is talking about.

BUT
She can still wear trouser and be going to office O.
And during PTA meetings, children's inter-house sport, she will still attempt to use her high heel shoes to kick football, because it's still sweeting her body.

Now, you sound very shallow

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Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by missjo(f): 7:05pm On Oct 08, 2019
Akuruoulo:
. Take it easy TOMMY
Lol, always

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Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by missjo(f): 7:08pm On Oct 08, 2019
Depressed101:
I'm using a new phone that's devoid of all my beer pics... If not I for give you chilled Goldberg, remind me I will do that later.. Cheers
Lolcheesy
You will be reminded
Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by NiCurious: 8:57pm On Oct 08, 2019
Beyond just plain ENJOYING playing football with the guys?

[assuming that tomboys = girls who like to dress boyishly and play "boy" games with the boys]

Another reason you might find a girl acting tomboyish, is when she perceives that only males are respected and compensated for their contributions. She knows how people tend to be blinded by stereotypes, and prescribe for other people how they "should" behave, irrespective of their talents and preferences. If by birth she is "supposed to" sit on the sidelines, wear pink dresses and play with dolls, and follow after boys--in spite of the fact that she has much of value to contribute and which would be valued if she were male--she might reject a feminine appearance to make others take notice of herself for herself, to be heard, and fully express herself and her gifts, and be herself.

A tomboy can be a strong individual reacting to social norms that are too narrow and short-sighted. She is finding another way to be herself, when the first path is closed to her.

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Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by Akuruoulo(m): 9:30pm On Oct 08, 2019
missjo:
Lol, always
.



JUST LET THEM KNOW HOW TO KEEP OFF FROM UR TOMMIES , AND ESPECIALLY THE TOMBOYS
Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by Arobake: 11:51pm On Oct 08, 2019
What she said is true. Even the last paragraph corroborates your initial assertion.
What we are saying, essentially, is that Tomboy and its vice versa have no place in this write up - at all.

Lesbians and Gays are mostly born that way not because of the people around them; And Tomboy isnt a catalyst to becoming gay at all. At all.

Mostly, Tomboys start shedding their boyishness when they start "noticing" boys. We evolve into girlfriends, wives and mothers (and grandmothers!). It's also scientifically proven that we keep one or two of our childhood boyish interests. I believe that. As even now in my (very) late 50s, I still love (car) speeding and soccer (my blood is Blue!)

Yours is a common misconception - grouping tomboys with all types of trans. But it NOT the same thing at all.

Thank you.

Kayceenaz:

If you re-read the concluding paragraph, you would discover I never asserted there is a necessary link between tomboys/tomgirls and transgenders. My point was such behavioural tendencies tend to lead to a decision to drastically alter one's gender. The high possibility of some transgenders today once being tomboys/tomgirls underscores the need to reconsider appropriateness of leaning towards such a personality. If you don't wanna get burnt, avoid moving close to the fire.

Also, I beg to differ on "tomness" being solely physical and not psychological. Exihibition of behaviours opposed to one's gender is the product of a belief system, a mental evaluation favourable to ways of life of an opposite sex. That goes on to pattern one's physical actions after it. In psychology, the term "Psychosomatic relationship'' sheds light on this truism.

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Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by Arobake: 11:53pm On Oct 08, 2019
Hahahahaha
Goodness gracious!!

Xclusiveme:
This is a very lnteresting topic. Let me help by clarifying things here.
When a child is been born, a gender is assigned to him/her due to the physical characteristics. Being a man or a woman isn't about your physical structure. It's how you think and behave. Tomboy/girl is just an incomplete transformation to being who they want to be. They don't have the will power or strong mind to tell the world that they don't literally fit in their bodies cos of the society. They are not coached enough about genderism. So as they are growing up, they are stuck with who they are from birth and not who they want to be. That's why you see tomboy and Tom girl everywhere. But sometimes due to a long term in their lives, their body and mind adjust. Either caused by the hormones or gender transparency. So tomboy is an efficacy to trans boy. Meaning incomplete transformation. With surgery and hormonal implants it's a full transformation
Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by Cousin9999: 5:48am On Oct 09, 2019
ursullalinda:
Seems being a tomboy/tomgirl is the first step to transgender thou most tomboy's I knew back then in secondary sch have grown into beautiful ladies

That's absolute nonsense. And honestly, it's really sick to believe that. People who believe that will warp and corrupt an innocent child's mind with that stupidity.

There's nothing suggestive about a girl that's a tomboy. All it means is that she likes traditionally "male" things. And we live in a society that encourages males to be strong, smart, productive, and leaders. Many people want to raise their daughter to be a nanny, housekeeper, and sex doll. It's not surprising that some young women reject this, and choose a path of fun and excellence.

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Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by missjo(f): 7:04am On Oct 09, 2019
EmptyCoconutHead:
upload ur pics make we see.
tongue

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Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by Nobody: 10:25am On Oct 09, 2019
missjo:
Being a tomboy or tomgirl has no correlation with being transgender.
Tomness is exhibited in purely physical ways like in subtle dressing, sports, talking style. Trans is psychological and involves a total transformation across genders. What i mean is, a tomboy is still a girl and can choose to act girly when they have to,they just prefer behaving as a boy. A trans will stick to their new gender and does not make switches.

I take this personally cos i am a tommy myself,so take it from me and be careful about mistaking toms for trans people
all tomboys are lesbians but they mostly live in denial
Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by EmptyCoconutHead(m): 10:48am On Oct 09, 2019
missjo:

tongue
I've sent a pm thru. Kindly reply dear.
Thanks. I love tommies
Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by Kayceenaz(m): 11:44am On Oct 09, 2019
Arobake:
What she said is true. Even the last paragraph corroborates your initial assertion.
What we are saying, essentially, is that Tomboy and its vice versa have no place in this write up - at all.

Lesbians and Gays are mostly born that way not because of the people around them; And Tomboy isnt a catalyst to becoming gay at all . At all.

Mostly, Tomboys start shedding their boyishness when they start "noticing" boys. We evolve into girlfriends, wives and mothers (and grandmothers!). It's also scientifically proven that we keep one or two of our childhood boyish interests. I believe that. As even now in my (very) late 50s, I still love (car) speeding and soccer (my blood is Blue!)

Yours is a common misconception - grouping tomboys with all types of trans. But it NOT the same thing at all.

Thank you.

By using "mostly," you imply there are other factors besides "being born that way" which could trigger a transgender switch. That is where tomness and external influences such as sexual abuse, peer orientation, emotional heartbreak, misogyny/misandry, and so on, come in. Although not every tomboy/tomgirl turns a transgender (a point I have reiterated and you've misunderstood, too), my contention is the probability is high due to the growing comfort associated with assuming behaviours of the opposite gender. Such could (not must) lead to the transgender decision, especially when the resources to effect it are reachable.

Clearly, my position gives room for tomboy/tomgirls to significantly quit the personality as time passes, and advises the "shedding off" can be made earlier for harmony with the self. The fact tomness can be outgrown suggests it doesn't constitute the person's essence, making it extrinsic rather than intrinsic.
Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by Kayceenaz(m): 11:47am On Oct 09, 2019
camobri:

all tomboys are lesbians but they mostly live in denial
I beg to disagree, not all tomboys are lesbians; some of them, not all. Even in your dislike for tomboys, be wary of hasty generalization.

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Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by Kayceenaz(m): 12:06pm On Oct 09, 2019
etrange:


Don't use the word "consistency" and "nature" in the same sentence, bro. Some people are born without pigment, some people are born conjoined, some people are born dwarf, some ladies are born with beards, some men are born with feminine voices, some guys can't grow beards, etc... nature is full of deviations and diversities and that's the beauty. You don't make people seem unnatural or feel bad about themselves simply because you don't like their nature. Girly teens are bullied in almost all high schools, some even get suicidal, you think they'd remain girly if they could change that?

The earlier we learn to accept our differences, the better for our world.
Bro, all you mentioned are merely physical attributes which can change later in a person's life without nature's necessary interference. Plastic surgery, amputation, castration, etcetera, also feature. You remember Michael Jackson? Nature's consistency, in this case, lies in unambiguity regarding the gender of a new-born child which is and must be either male or female. Even in the absence of all the nice physical attributes (which Aristotle once termed 'accidents'), the substance of a person reflects nature's consistency.
Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by etrange: 12:31pm On Oct 09, 2019
Kayceenaz:

Bro, all you mentioned are merely physical attributes which can change later in a person's life without nature's necessary interference. Plastic surgery, amputation, castration, etcetera, also feature. You remember Michael Jackson? Nature's consistency, in this case, lies in unambiguity regarding the gender of a new-born child which is and must be either male or female. Even in the absence of all the nice physical attributes (which Aristotle once termed 'accidents'), the substance of a person reflects nature's consistency.

Thank you.

The problem is that we only appreciate attributes when they are physical. Psychological attributes do not get any attention in Africa. That's why we hardly ever care to provide proper facilities for mental health, and depression is eating deep into our society. You may not agree with me but a guy who walks like a lady walks that because that's the only way he knows how to walk. A guy who talks like a lady does not have any other way of talking. I know someone who's been feminine from the time he was a kid. People make jest of him and he pretends not to care but the day he opened up to me, I cried.

Let's stop making people feel unacceptable, it's depressing. Live and let live. Even if they're a few who do it out of will, it does not necessitate alienating everyone who doesn't conform to the societal version of masculinity. Kids may bully their fellow kids out of ignorance but as adults, we should know better.

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Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by Arobake: 3:56pm On Oct 09, 2019
No. Please don't put words in my mouth. The ONLY reason I use "mostly" is because
1. I am not a scientist.
2. I am not transgender and unlike most people I don't presume "to know Ọṣọ's (colloquially, Osho) mother more than Ọṣọ himself".
3. I can tell you one thing for free, though, and authoritatively, Tomboyishness isn't caused by "sexual abuse, peer orientation, emotional heartbreak, misogyny/misandry".

Thank you.


quote author=Kayceenaz post=82978479]
By using "mostly," you imply there are other factors besides "being born that way" which could trigger a transgender switch. That is where tomness and external influences such as sexual abuse, peer orientation, emotional heartbreak, misogyny/misandry, and so on, come in. Although not every tomboy/tomgirl turns a transgender (a point I have reiterated and you've misunderstood, too), my contention is the probability is high due to the growing comfort associated with assuming behaviours of the opposite gender. Such could (not must) lead to the transgender decision, especially when the resources to effect it are reachable.

Clearly, my position gives room for tomboy/tomgirls to significantly quit the personality as time passes, and advises the "shedding off" can be made earlier for harmony with the self. The fact tomness can be outgrown suggests it doesn't constitute the person's essence, making it extrinsic rather than intrinsic. [/quote]
Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by midnighter(f): 4:02pm On Oct 09, 2019
youngestgrad:
Females who behave like boys more often than not grow out of it, they get married, get pregnant and that is the end of the tomboyish nature.
Have you guys noticed that guys who behave like females hardly ever grow out of such behaviors they are the bobrisky and his likes we have today.

This is because female chromosomes are XX which rarely cause masculine traits so this tomboyish behaviors are mostly externally influenced ie Environment factors. The male XY well obviously contains the X.......well you get my point.

You don't think it has anything to do with children mostly being taken care of by mothers and forming an early emotional attachment to females? And the fact that the majority of teachers are women?

And the male world is more exclusive than the female one. Even during puberty, It's easier for a guy to hang out with a bunch of girls than a single girl to sit with a group of guys. So the behaviour is easier to continue with
Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by Arobake: 4:25pm On Oct 09, 2019
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Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by Nobody: 4:43pm On Oct 09, 2019
Kayceenaz:

I beg to disagree, not all tomboys are lesbians; some of them, not all. Even in your dislike for tomboys, be wary of hasty generalization.
i don't hate tomboys.
I'm telling you as a sexologist, every tomboy knows within herself she's not straight, they can pretend and fast and pray it away but they will always love pucci and breast. same as fem guys, they are always horrrny wen dey see dicksss and manly men. they can hide and pretend and have many opposite sex friends but deep within they know the truth. Nigerians are hypocrites
Re: Why Turning A Tomboy Or Tomgirl Is Self-Conflicting by missjo(f): 5:05pm On Oct 09, 2019
camobri:

all tomboys are lesbians but they mostly live in denial
Oh dearcheesy

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