thedio:
Muslims don't pay tithe but zakat which is once in a year and it's not for every Muslim. I mean the poor r excluded,before u pay it u must value ur income for a year,the worth will determine ur qualification and its not calculated in percentage, its 1/40 .the board or chart u see on the mosque wall is for monthly contribution of pple in that area and its not compulsory.many pple pay it without having their names written there.mind u the money is not going to anybody's pocket it's for mosque recurrent expenditure like generator maintenance and others.they also collect money to pay school fee

You mean you give out once a year?
But you take from people once a year?
It is what I have seen very well, they write on the wall in the mosque.
If people give out once a year, how are the mosques managed? With 1/40 from interested people? I have seen some of them reconstructing damaged bridges, where do they get resources and money?1/40?
Even at Prayer grounds on festivals, they collect money.
Most of their Imams are full time clerics, who pay them money to manage their families throughout the year? 1/40?
No wonder Baba Suwe went to a Church when he needed treatment, he was given N10m. What if all the donors in that Church refused to pay tithes too, he should have been a past tense.

Neroiam:


Show me where God tell you say you'll suffer as a Christian.
I stand to correct your misconceptions..

Proverbs 4:18
But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

In life, challenges would surface.. Infact, there's no time table for it. That doesn't mean an up and down movement. The opposition is there because a position awaits you. So you climb.. Unto the just man wey u be..
But guy, if u dey do bad thing eh, na dia u go dey.... And that's the reality

When you hear "the just" ..they're those who walk with God.
If you want to walk with God so you don't experience up and down life movement, use;

Phil. 4:8 as your manual.
Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things

1peter 3:17...for it is better to suffer for what is good than to suffer for wrongdoing if God wants it..

1peter 5:10...for after ye have suffered a little while, the God of grace who has called you unto himself shall establish and settle you....

So if God wish that u go through challenges..u will definitely go through it.....that's the reason why I said suffering

If I dey do bad things na there I go dey...so who told u this ?...who told you God doesn't have plan for the bad doers i.e sinners...so u have not read that any one who comes to him he will in no way cast out...abi u have not read his mercies endures forever.....abi why didn't he cast Peter and co out instead of going unto them again after those ones went fishing after which they thought his death was his end
And who told u..u are just....who told u are clean...
our righteousness is in Christ Jesus....

Haters go cry for this one �

Two Economies

There are basically two economies in the world and every nation on the face of the earth fall under either of them.

These are:

* The Knowledge Economy

* The Religion Economy

The rich and prosperous nations of the world belong to the Knowledge Economy while the the poorest and poverty stricken nations of the world belong to the Religion Economy.

The Knowledge Economy is one that engages the brain, asks relevant questions, and proffer solutions to problems.

The Religion Economy is one that blackmails God and dumps every responsibilities on Him.

The Knowledge Economy tasks the brain, the Religion Economy numbs the brain.

Japan, for example, is a Knowledge Economy. It has no natural resources but it is a prosperous nation, one of the richest on the planet.

At least six of every ten cars on Nigeria's roads today are Japanese cars.

Japan is not a religious country, but it is one of the most corruption-free nations.

China is not a religious country, but nations that ignore China today do so to their own peril.

Nigeria falls under Religion Economy, everything depends on God.

Nigeria is one of the most endowed nations with natural resources on the face of the earth, yet also among the poorest.

Nigeria wears proudly the badge of the "poverty capital of the world" and is one of the most corrupt nations on the face of the earth.

It is also one of the most religious countries on the planet.

It is a nation where everything depends on God, and God watches in disgust as we mortgage our brains.

Even security agencies that are constitutionally funded from budgets look up to God to carry out their duties.

But here is the irony.

The two major religions of the world, Christianity and Islam, emanated from Israel and Saudi Arabia respectively.

But none of those two nations fall under Religion Economy.

None!

One of the evidences of their subscription to Knowledge Economy is the yearly pilgrimages that generate for them revenues in billions of dollars.

But hypocritically stupid nations like Nigeria are comfortable disseminating nuisance to humanity with their glamorization of the Religion Economy.

People elected and empowered to do a job will turn around and ask those who elected them to pray.

God is disgusted with Religion Economy.

There's a reason He gave man brain and instructed him to subdue the earth.

If you're a Christian who does not commit yourself to the pursuit of knowledge your life will become a perfect reflection of Nigeria.

That's a fact!

It is an illusion to anticipate wisdom where people do not pay attention to Knowledge.
*Mark this today 19th October 2019 and watch it going forward*.
Faith without work is DEAD.

Tithes and offerings
Other people's money

HigherEd:

You talk like someone who has an angry demon living inside of him. You are free to haul whatever insult you choose to haul. I really choose not to waste my time on a blockhead who has chosen the path of stupidity.

The bible not me said
1) Tithing was for rebuking the devourer - established

2) Job a man of God was 'devoured' at a point in his life - established

3) There was no record of Job tithing like Abraham, Isaac or Moses - established

Therefore would you blame someone who interpreted that 1 and 3 resulted in number 2.

If Job tithed truly and God didn't rebuke the devourer for his sake then that makes the bible what? because that would render Malachi 3 as an invalid scripture even in the old testament.

Tithing is mainly for black men with their black mentality and religious fanaticism. How many white men go to church not to mention paying tithe yet ur devourer haven't devoured them all. They still live better and happier than u and I. Na so una go dey defend pass maldini in every bullshit these business men do. Is it a crime to read he built hundreds of housing units for the poor with such amount of money. Well na una business sha cos as for me, I only believe in God and not all these pastorprenuers.

Monkey the work bamboo the chop

Ijawwomaninoyo:


You mean you give out once a year?
But you take from people once a year?
It is what I have seen very well, they write on the wall in the mosque.
If people give out once a year, how are the mosques managed? With 1/40 from interested people? I have seen some of them reconstructing damaged bridges, where do they get resources and money?1/40?
Even at Prayer grounds on festivals, they collect money.
Most of their Imams are full time clerics, who pay them money to manage their families throughout the year? 1/40?
No wonder Baba Suwe went to a Church when he needed treatment, he was given N10m. What if all the donors in that Church refused to pay tithes too, he should have been a past tense.

zakat/tithe is once in a year.what is written on the wall is monthly contribution of members and it depends on ur pocket. Nobody pay Imam, if u av money to give imam, meet him in person and give him.i will not say anything on baba suwe issue but go to any mosque on Friday's or anyday u will see pple addressing d congregation to ask for money it's allowed.how about beggars?we Muslims do that on daily basis

congrats to him its his money as long as his congregation isnt complaining its no one elses biz

jesusjnr:
Lol!

I no dey weep for the Bill Gates and Dangotes of this world, na Oyedepo I go weep for?

I weep for your blindness.

Wail on brother

God help us to have sense in this country.

ArticleBeast:

Wail on brother

I'd keep wailing for you here, so that you don't wail in hell.

thedio:
zakat/tithe is once in a year.what is written on the wall is monthly contribution of members and it depends on ur pocket. Nobody pay Imam, if u av money to give imam, meet him in person and give him.i will not say anything on baba suwe issue but go to any mosque on Friday's or anyday u will see pple addressing d congregation to ask for money it's allowed.how about beggars?we Muslims do that on daily basis

They make contributions monthly and tithes are given monthly, what's the difference? They save and pay the money once a year, what's the difference too? There's no where tithes is paid at gunpoint, you give if you have too even offering is optional at Winners Chapel, you can ask someone to confirm if you are a Muslim.
Buses are paid to take people who claim they can't come to church for any reason to church to and fro, people donate voluntarily to that and that doesn't make them poor.
Monthly packages are given out to the less privileged monthly, people donate towards that too. What if everyone doesn't want to give.
Why do you not want to comment on Baba Suwe? Why did the Muslims not help him from their yearly zakat?

HigherEd:


Lol you just getting all up and emotional. Don't cry yet.
The scripture never said that those who don't tithe wouldn't attain wealth. Even scripture reports how wealthy a paganic Egypt was, how an horrible roman empire held power and influence. So Dangote having money isn't any eye opener.

However the concept of tithing law as stated by Malachi stated that the benefit of tithing was a "rebuke of the devourer". The devourer in biblically context often refer to the devil and his host of fallen angels. 'Devouring' as expressed by Malachi meant that what legitimately belongs to God's people could be destroyed by the devil without a God intervention if they refused to tithe.

Therefore Oyedepo made an inference that is potentially correct within the context of old testament. Job didn't tithe and God did not rebuke the devourer for his sake.

And what happen at the end, the bible stated that after the affliction of Job, that his later days is better than his beginning. Did he then tithe. So he quoted out of context because God allowed devil to test Job in order to test his faith and stand with God without the riches.

The calamity that befell Job in the bible is not as a result of tithing, but a test of his faith and his stand with God without his riches. To say that Job lost all his riches because he did not tithe is an illusion which can not stand because the the person that said it is quoting the bible out of context. If it is because of not tithing that he lost all his children and wealth, did he tithe at the end when the bible stated that the later days of Job is better than his beginning, meaning that all he lost, he got back double fold.
Please read your bibles and advice your so called teachers to teach kingdom's massage that will bring salvation to the people and not prosperity and quick syndrome to wealth

Nice one from afonja pastors/ritualists..shebi osibande na pastor too?

Neroiam:


Show me where God tell you say you'll suffer as a Christian.
I stand to correct your misconceptions..

Proverbs 4:18
But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

In life, challenges would surface.. Infact, there's no time table for it. That doesn't mean an up and down movement. The opposition is there because a position awaits you. So you climb.. Unto the just man wey u be..
But guy, if u dey do bad thing eh, na dia u go dey.... And that's the reality

When you hear "the just" ..they're those who walk with God.
If you want to walk with God so you don't experience up and down life movement, use;

Phil. 4:8 as your manual.
Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things

Job had one of the most oustanding profiles of men in scripture. Job 1: 1 said clearly that he was perfect (blameless) and straight which is as far as anyone could get with God outside of grace. Blameless means there was no point you could fault his life because he made all necessary intercession ( sacrifice for sin) and met all requirements of God. But understand that Jobs problem was that he was blameless which Satan had to challenge to prove that no one really loved God for nothing (selflessly). Book of Job was written to help believers expect testings from Satan as they live to prove their selfless love and devotion to God and how God would eventually reward them if they hold out through the tests. James 5: 10-11. Also, the whole book of 1Peter was written just to encourage believers to endure through suffering and not to be surprised by it. 1 Pet 4:1,12-13

HigherEd:
In this life you can choose to be a rich Abraham that went to heaven or a poor Lazarus that went to heaven. It's your choice.

86% of Norwegians are Christians living in sheer abundance. God would not send them to hell because their Christian brothers in Haiti are living in Abject poverty. Every man should do his own best to improve his own economic conditions and that of his Nation.

Please reject the gospel of poverty as propagated by Jesusjnr and his other brainwashed zombies. For even the bible says that "Money is a defense".

Stop lying oga
Norway is among the most irreligious countries on Earth.
Funny enough,the christain areas shouting "Gospel of prosperity" are the ones steeped with poverty.

HigherEd:


Lol you just getting all up and emotional. Don't cry yet.
The scripture never said that those who don't tithe wouldn't attain wealth. Even scripture reports how wealthy a paganic Egypt was, how an horrible roman empire held power and influence. So Dangote having money isn't any eye opener.


However the concept of tithing law as stated by Malachi stated that the benefit of tithing was a "rebuke of the devourer". The devourer in biblically context often refer to the devil and his host of fallen angels. 'Devouring' as expressed by Malachi meant that what legitimately belongs to God's people could be destroyed by the devil without a God intervention if they refused to tithe.

Therefore Oyedepo made an inference that is potentially correct within the context of old testament. Job didn't tithe and God did not rebuke the devourer for his sake.

Haba!Job shld tithe to whom?Y u pple read d Bible upside down?is job a jew that he must pay tithe.

Ijawwomaninoyo:


He built an Estate recently that payment is spread over a 30 year span. He constructed a road and how many kilowatts available for 24/7 Power supply.
There's scholarship for some people to tertiary level. They do a lot of Charitable works and give out bags of food after Sunday services.
They only don't make noise with their givings.

If you think what Winners give back to society (not members of their church) is up to 5% of their purse, then I really don't have much to write back to you. In your word "built an estate" in maybe Lagos or Ogun. I'm not even talking to his church in particular, I'm talking about all churches in Nigeria. They don't contribute as much to the society as they should. Most of their members kids in towns and villages don't even go to school, they hawk about

HigherEd:
Again Jesusjnr you are an hypocrite of the order of the Pharisee. You highlighted scripture where Jesus told people to sell all they have. Why don't you sell your own phone and give it as alms to the poor. It may sound simplistic but that's surely a good place to start. That phone in your hand can feed many hungry people today. The scripture says sell all you have.

Be talking as though you are in 20AD. You better wake up, this is the 21st century, you work hard less poverty wee kill you there and even Jesus would just looking at your foolishness. Be waiting for Oyedepo or the next Christian billionaire that would share his wealth with you. Keep waiting.

Very few people on earth can boast of being able to fulfill that Scripture but a religious dimwit like you would use it as a means of blackmail to equally stupid people. Don't quote me again because I won't read your juvenile arguments again.

Bros born again dnt insults now apologize to him,beg him to forgive u.

Finallydead:




Sorry sir, but I'd say no to that. Don't accept everything you're told from the pulpit even if coming from a respected man. Do your own study and work with your findings. Job had one of the most oustanding profiles of men in scripture. Job 1: 1 said clearly that he was perfect (blameless) and straight which is as far as anyone could get with God outside of grace. Blameless means there was no point you could fault his life because he made all necessary intercession ( sacrifice for sin) and met all requirements of God. But understand that Jobs problem was that he was blameless which Satan had to challenge to prove that no one really loved God for nothing (selflessly). Book of Job was written to help believers expect testings from Satan as they live to prove their selfless love and devotion to God and how God would eventually reward them if they hold out through the tests. James 5: 10-11. Also, the whole book of 1Peter was written just to encourage believers to endure through suffering and not to be surprised by it. 1 Pet 4:1,12-13

I read the Bible for myself hence i can back my claims with scriptures. With the help of the Holy Spirit, I understand what i read.

It was the fear of job that caused him to be tempted. The devil feeds on fear. Job 3:25

Once a blameless man isn't always a blameless man.

Starz825:


Job that God confirmed he was working diligently before him and he found no fault in his ways of life......

God allowed challenges in the life of job not because he was a sinner...but because he wanted to teach him a lesson...which is till today useful to every generation that....one with God is majority....u may lose everything but never u lose God

Oyedepo need to repent & b born again,job that God himself confirmed righteous.i hav read d book of job there is nowhere I read God punish job b/c he didn't pay tithe.......BDO primitive accumulation of wealth has gotten into his head...hence this blasphemy,heresy & misrepresentation of d scripture.

Sorry to say but some persons' view about tithing and the likes are myopic.. Becareful of what U say

Congrats to him.

Oh

Neroiam:


I read the Bible for myself hence i can back my claims with scriptures. With the help of the Holy Spirit, I understand what i read.

It was the fear of job that caused him to be tempted. The devil feeds on fear. Job 3:25

Once a blameless man isn't always a blameless man.

Sorry, the first part of that post was directed at someone else, i should have edited it out. pls read my modified post. By the way the reason Job suffered was revealed in Job 1 and 2 in the conversation b/w God and Satan. Its not fear as you presume. Satan will test all who live righteously just because they live so whether they're full of faith or not. (2tim 3: 10-12, 2Cor4: 7-9)

If u need money even as a Church member, this Oga won't help

Ijawwomaninoyo:


They make contributions monthly and tithes are given monthly, what's the difference? They save and pay the money once a year, what's the difference too? There's no where tithes is paid at gunpoint, you give if you have too even offering is optional at Winners Chapel, you can ask someone to confirm if you are a Muslim.
Buses are paid to take people who claim they can't come to church for any reason to church to and fro, people donate voluntarily to that and that doesn't make them poor.
Monthly packages are given out to the less privileged monthly, people donate towards that too. What if everyone doesn't want to give.
Why do you not want to comment on Baba Suwe? Why did the Muslims not help him from their yearly zakat?

the difference is clear. Tithe is 10%of ur monthly income. If u r earning 10k u pay 1k but in Islam if u r earning 100k u r not qualify to pay cos ur annual savings is 1.2m that is, if u don't eat,pay bills or transport.my brother enjoy ur money in peace.Besides nobody save to pay zakat even if u do and it's less than 1m u r not qualify to pay .on the issue of names u see on the wall.it is not the name of everybody that worship in that mosque, mostly it is the names of the landlords in that community who r willing to contribute to d development of the mosque and if u find out they contributed to build that mosque.mind u it is done for accountability and not to shame anybody. Again let's not discuss baba suwe issue zakat is for Muslims and ur name alone does not make u a Muslim. Zakat is not saved in any account and no specific time to pay it thou many pple prefer Ramadan period and it is given to the less privileged who r Muslims. A friend of mine who is earning above 100k was given 100k last year by one rich man as part of his zakat. So it's not compulsory that u give it to imam

HigherEd:


Lol you just getting all up and emotional. Don't cry yet.
The scripture never said that those who don't tithe wouldn't attain wealth. Even scripture reports how wealthy a paganic Egypt was, how an horrible roman empire held power and influence. So Dangote having money isn't any eye opener.

However the concept of tithing law as stated by Malachi stated that the benefit of tithing was a "rebuke of the devourer". The devourer in biblically context often refer to the devil and his host of fallen angels. 'Devouring' as expressed by Malachi meant that what legitimately belongs to God's people could be destroyed by the devil without a God intervention if they refused to tithe.

Therefore Oyedepo made an inference that is potentially correct within the context of old testament. Job didn't tithe and God did not rebuke the devourer for his sake.

In as much as I respect Dr David Oyedepo, there is nothing correct in that statement... The devil was so powerless to attack Job and all that he had until God removed the hedge He built around him.In Job 1 vs 8.... Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil." it was God that said
Have you considered my servant Job?...So hear Satan's response here..."Does Job fear God for nothing, Satan replied....Job 1 vs 9....Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."

so look at God's response.... The LORD said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger." Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.

You see, if you dont know how to rightly divide the word of truth, you will believe all that men of God say just because they attract a large following... it has nothing to do with whether Job was paying tithes or not....If you are a correct child of God, there is an hedge built around you....What Job underwent was just a test or trial just prove him, it could only come after God removed the hedge..... God bless you

HigherEd:


Lol you just getting all up and emotional. Don't cry yet.
The scripture never said that those who don't tithe wouldn't attain wealth. Even scripture reports how wealthy a paganic Egypt was, how an horrible roman empire held power and influence. So Dangote having money isn't any eye opener.

However the concept of tithing law as stated by Malachi stated that the benefit of tithing was a "rebuke of the devourer". The devourer in biblically context often refer to the devil and his host of fallen angels. 'Devouring' as expressed by Malachi meant that what legitimately belongs to God's people could be destroyed by the devil without a God intervention if they refused to tithe.

Therefore Oyedepo made an inference that is potentially correct within the context of old testament. Job didn't tithe and God did not rebuke the devourer for his sake.

Pentecostal thrash