Memberclub:
shut up. What happened against Ajax?

If not for Messi you think barcelona would've won United in both legs?

If not for Messi you think barcelona will have a 3 goal advantage against Liverpool?

Beverlyjean:


Lol...look at the nonsense u just typed... If not ...if not... So very foolish of u... So what happened after scoring 2ice against Liverpool?? He was f fired with 4 unreplied goals... Dead man u is an achievement... So u think man u was better than Ajax last season or what?? Beating man u ain't an achievement... Same Ajax that were 10seconds away to the final of the same CL ... Some of their players made team of the tournament ... No man u player got a spot

Beverlyjean:


Qatar is a very stubborn side... Colombia struggled to defeat them with 4mins to go... They are Asian champions... They are capable of beating or holding Argentina to a draw...they are a very stubborn side

Miscellaneous:

How do u think the formation will look like? How will they lineup in 4-4-2 ? Except messi will play an attacking midfielder role

Beverlyjean:


Qatar is a very stubborn side... Colombia struggled to defeat them with 4mins to go... They are Asian champions... They are capable of beating or holding Argentina to a draw...they are a very stubborn side

Beverlyjean:


I don't agree with u... In the 2010 WC , Messi dint score a single goal but yet they got to the quarter finals... In 2014 Messi dint score a single goal in the knock out stages ... Only had one assist and they still got to the final... The problem with Messi fans is that u don't wanna accept that leadership is actually the problem facing Argentina... U need to go watch Euro 2016 again and see how Ronaldo showed what a true leader he is... Leave Portugal of today... Pls go check the Portuguese team over the years ... They had a weak goalie to weak attack... It was only Ronaldo and red card prone Pepe... Till date Portugal has never had a World class striker ... They don't even have a WC defender or offensive midfielder or defensive midfielder.... Barcelona were knocked out cause Messi doesn't have leadership skills... Ronaldo rallies his teams... Messi don't... U need to see the way Ronaldo screamed at the team in the game against Hungary when they needed a draw to qualify but Portugal kept on letting in goals ... To the extent that Ronaldo had to equalise 2ice and also supplied Nani with the assist of the tournament... That is a leader taking charge and controlling the team and building confidence

liberalchick:
Yes attacking midfielder- so a 3-2-2-2-1

Miscellaneous:

This is a sure formation to lose. A 3 - man defense will be fruitful if Argentina has good defenders. The best defender they have by Argentina's standard is Otamendi, one we well know as a poor defender by world standard. Moreover, he's short for a 3-man defense. Personally I think the best will be 4-4-2 with aguero and dybala playing upfront. Messi should play as an attacking player in a diamond-shaped midfield position inorder to dictate the play, style, pass and support aguero and dybala as strikers

liberalchick:
3 defenders, 2 defensive midfielders - makes a good five man defense, then 2 attacking midfielders to feed balls to the lone man on top.

lereinter:

I don't like comparing two great players due to passion and understanding of soccer

But I now have to conclude that Ronaldo is a better player than Messi

What's your importance and result to the progress of your team

So your presence and involvement motivate and catalyse the performance of your team

It's not "I" only but I and my team

Miscellaneous:

I didn't want to reply u but it would seem that u have made a lot of sense. In terms of team contribution, Messi flaws Ronaldo on that basis. How do u explain someone contribution to a team? Is it by having trophies? Hell no! If u takeaway the impact of messi from Argentina, they wouldn't have even qualified for three worldcups and copa America...it's a fact everyone knows. Now, the same cannot be said for Ronaldo as can be seen in euro16... Portugal played exceptional well without him on the pitch. I can't seem to understand the logic u people put up everytime about winning national trophies. If it's about number of trophies won, Ronaldo and messi wont even be in the argument. We would have people like juan mata, kaka, torres competing for the G.O.A.T title because they won everything there is

Honestly, if we are sincere to ourselves Ronaldo is simply an excellent player who scores goals especially when required... he brings the flash of brilliance to his team but Messi, on the other hand, is an excellent player who supports his team based on passes, assists, play make, goals and going by this Messi is better. It will shock u to know that messi has a better goal ratio to him. If we argue based on consistency, messi is better and has been the topic every year since 2005. He's the most consistent player and if you want to argue about it, let me know. Messi is not on the same level with Ronaldo if we look at it critically. it was a media scam all along.

lereinter:



First learn how to paragraph

You don't have to see sense in what I wrote, you can be blind to it

Miscellaneous:


Well, u can say whatever makes you happy. However, the truth still stands... messi is not and has never been the problem of Argentina. If he was, how come they achieved those feats as u posited? Oh man... they could reach threee finals(2copa and one world cup) without Messi's leadership? In all honesty, without messii in the team, whether scoring or not, you think Argentina would even qualify for those worldcups? They simply won't... a fact u know. But Portugal would and could without Ronaldo. It's evident in the euro where eder won the cup. You lots keep saying he charged the team on the sidelines but u know it's a lie... the team has a better cohesion and could actually play without him. On the other hand, being that messi is the best, the Argentines always feel he should defend, play make, pass, collect the ball and ultimately score. I would blame messi too but then the Argentine federation know it isn't more of the players issue and little wonder why they have use 8 different managers in the 13years of Messi career. You might want to argue whatnot but believe me the problem of Argentina isn't that of team leadership. It's far more than that... If it is truly an argument of messi vs Ronaldo, we are not professionals and haven't been on the field with them. But go to YouTube and check any video of great players comparing both of them...u can watch a compilation and u will see the best people( and more percentage of them)in football saying it's Messi. He is actually the only one who hasn't won the world cup that is in the argument of the best ever. The other two in the argument are also from south America (not Europe) viz Pele and Maradona.

Memberclub:
shut up. What happened against Ajax?

If not for Messi hattrick against Ecuador you think Argentina would have played in 2018 world cup?

If not for Messi you think barcelona would've won United in both legs?

If not for Messi you think barcelona will have a 3 goal advantage against Liverpool?

Miscellaneous:


Well, u can say whatever makes you happy. However, the truth still stands... messi is not and has never been the problem of Argentina. If he was, how come they achieved those feats as u posited? Oh man... they could reach threee finals(2copa and one world cup) without Messi's leadership? In all honesty, without messii in the team, whether scoring or not, you think Argentina would even qualify for those worldcups? They simply won't... a fact u know. But Portugal would and could without Ronaldo. It's evident in the euro where eder won the cup. You lots keep saying he charged the team on the sidelines but u know it's a lie... the team has a better cohesion and could actually play without him. On the other hand, being that messi is the best, the Argentines always feel he should defend, play make, pass, collect the ball and ultimately score. I would blame messi too but then the Argentine federation know it isn't more of the players issue and little wonder why they have use 8 different managers in the 13years of Messi career. You might want to argue whatnot but believe me the problem of Argentina isn't that of team leadership. It's far more than that... If it is truly an argument of messi vs Ronaldo, we are not professionals and haven't been on the field with them. But go to YouTube and check any video of great players comparing both of them...u can watch a compilation and u will see the best people( and more percentage of them)in football saying it's Messi. He is actually the only one who hasn't won the world cup that is in the argument of the best ever. The other two in the argument are also from south America (not Europe) viz Pele and Maradona.

Jokerman:


Greatness is achieved by what you've achieved and not how you play football Oga Ade...

Argentina has won the World Cup and COPA before Messi so they can do it again

Portugal had never won any thing before the advent of Ronaldo being Portugal captain

Ronaldo is Portugal greatest ever player

Maradona is Argentina best greatest player until Messi wins a spoon for his country

Miscellaneous:

Undoubtedly, Ronaldo is Portugal's best player ever simply because Messi isn't from Portugal. The argument between messi and Ronaldo will always be subjective and inconclusive hence, you're entitled to your own opinion. However, going by your logic, Ronaldo and messi shouldn't be in the narrative when we talk about achievements. This is because player like kaka, juan mata, torres and a host of others won everything in football like club cups, euro cups, world cups, Olympics and others u can think of. Your logic is skewed and if we're to consider just achievements, then it only makes sense to consider a player's achievement rather than the team achievement. Then the question pops up, has Ronaldo achieved any thing more than Messi based on individual awards(not team awards) ? Everyone knows the answer.

Digital101:

Your argument don't make sense

Miscellaneous:

I didn't want to reply u but it would seem that u have made a lot of sense. In terms of team contribution, Messi flaws Ronaldo on that basis. How do u explain someone contribution to a team? Is it by having trophies? Hell no! If u takeaway the impact of messi from Argentina, they wouldn't have even qualified for three worldcups and copa America...it's a fact everyone knows. Now, the same cannot be said for Ronaldo as can be seen in euro16... Portugal played exceptional well without him on the pitch. I can't seem to understand the logic u people put up everytime about winning national trophies. If it's about number of trophies won, Ronaldo and messi wont even be in the argument. We would have people like juan mata, kaka, torres competing for the G.O.A.T title because they won everything there is

Honestly, if we are sincere to ourselves Ronaldo is simply an excellent player who scores goals especially when required... he brings the flash of brilliance to his team but Messi, on the other hand, is an excellent player who supports his team based on passes, assists, play make, goals and going by this Messi is better. It will shock u to know that messi has a better goal ratio to him. If we argue based on consistency, messi is better and has been the topic every year since 2005. He's the most consistent player and if you want to argue about it, let me know. Messi is not on the same level with Ronaldo if we look at it critically. it was a media scam all along.

Miscellaneous:
Poor performance from Argentina. They are just playing and hoping messi does something. I bet Nigeria will do better than them. The team has no defence & midfield...their forward is shaky because Messi always need to fall back to create chances upfront... but who will receive it? Damn! The coach is another silly man... dimaria doesn't play wide again. In psg he plays playmaking role. The coach is a new one so just trying different silly combinations in order for them to win

Beverlyjean:


No intelligent football pundit will agree with you... only if the person is biased... U say Portugal can qualify without Ronaldo... But do u know Ronaldo is the highest goal scorer in the history of European zone qualifications... U are looking at the Portuguese team of today... Go and check the history of the Portuguese team and how they qualified for their past tournaments... Have u forgotten Ronaldos hat trick against sweden (3.2 final score) in the playoff to the world cup of 2014

Miscellaneous:

Undoubtedly, Ronaldo is Portugal's best player ever simply because Messi isn't from Portugal. The argument between messi and Ronaldo will always be subjective and inconclusive hence, you're entitled to your own opinion. However, going by your logic, Ronaldo and messi shouldn't be in the narrative when we talk about achievements. This is because player like kaka, juan mata, torres and a host of others won everything in football like club cups, euro cups, world cups, Olympics and others u can think of. Your logic is skewed and if we're to consider just achievements, then it only makes sense to consider a player's achievement rather than the team achievement. Then the question pops up, has Ronaldo achieved any thing more than Messi based on individual awards(not team awards) ? Everyone knows the answer.

Adeoludt:
Seriously

I was loving YOUR replies to the OP by YOU @liberalchick - lol commenting by yourself

I didn't even have to watch the match. Your updates narrated it.

Magnoliaa:




I was loving YOUR replies to the OP by YOU @liberalchick - lol commenting by yourself

I didn't even have to watch the match. Your updates narrated it.

liberalchick:
lol feels like it was a long time ago. Are you watching the U-17 WC?

Magnoliaa:



Me? Not at all oh. Lol I'm not into football.

I rarely see your comments, just saying 'hello' and...to ask how you are.

liberalchick:


Lol I just finished serving a ban. I am fine, how are you? How is the book coming along?

A ban? haha! How come?
What did you do? I've never been to 'that prison,' but I look forward to it. I want to see what'll make me get served a ban.

I'm good. I've completed the first draft. I'm so happy about it - all's left is to start the editing now. Getting beta-readers, posting online and all that. I hope to finish everything next year. But I'll be posting the unedited version on here in the meantime.

Magnoliaa:


A ban? haha! How come?
What did you do? I've never been to 'that prison,' but I look forward to it. I want to see what'll make me get served a ban.

I'm good. I've completed the first draft. I'm so happy about it - all's left is to start the editing now. Getting beta-readers, posting online and all that. I hope to finish everything next year. But I'll be posting the unedited version on here in the meantime.

liberalchick:
I don’t know what I did or typed, rarely use curse words, maybe the dude I was having a back and forth with is a mod.

It’s very nice that you’ve made progress on your book, can’t wait to read it.