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Throwback:
I still do not understand your argument.

Can one obtain HND without first obtaining OND or a 2yr University Diploma, plus minimum of 1yr work experience?

Does it not take a minimum of 5yrs to obtain HND post WAEC O'levels? Or does the HND exist in isolation and can be obtained without the initial OND?

As it takes 3yrs to obtain your NCE from an O'levels state, so does it take a minimum of 5yrs to obtain HND from an O'levels state. Both qualifications feed into the university degree at varying direct entry points.

That you took the NCE route to a university, is the same way some take the OND or HND route to a university Direct Entry, except you chose to start afresh from the entry level of a university programme.

The argument I have made on this topic is why should it take a student 5yrs to obtain the inferior HND when the superior B.Sc is 4yrs, when the starting point for both programmes is that you have the qualifying WAEC/O'levels certificate.

In a simple and clear term, HND doesn't take 5 years since u can decide to quit after your ND program. University programme is not run like that. Besides, there are aims and objectives for setting up various higher institutions of learning in Nigeria. ND & HND are technical certificates just d way we have NCE technical. Ask the policymakers and curriculum developers, they will explain better.

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highbee02:
In a simple and clear term, HND doesn't take 5 years since u can decide to quit after your ND program. University programme is not run like that. Besides, there are aims and objectives for setting up various higher institutions of learning in Nigeria. ND & HND are technical certificates just d way we have NCE technical. Ask the policymakers and curriculum developers, they will explain better.

HND takes 5 years bro. upon admission for ND programme which is a prerequisite for HND you must go for a year post ND Industrial training after the completion of the former. then after a year training you will be eligible for HND programme at any polytechnic or direct entry into university.
2yrs of ND + a year IT + 2yrs of HND =5years

kayodesblog:
The first question I ask any HND admission seeker is “Why don’t you consider direct entry instead?”

This is the taking from my experiences with HND.

Nothing is practically wrong with going for HND or being an HND holder. Or I should say, nothing should be wrong with it. But from a different point of view, things may not be promising for you if you aim very higher with your certificate in the new Nigeria.

Federal Government has been working on bridging the gap between BSc and HND. This is why recently, in certain agencies, HND holders are upgraded to the level of their degree counterparts.

HND/BSC Balance can be achieved.
So what’s your position with your HND?

Below is a series of limitations with Higher National Diploma which Degree holders are not experiencing.

BSc holders are usually considered for teaching (education) without further qualifications. Whereas, HND holders are expected to have in addition, PDG – Postgraduate Diploma in Education.
BSc holders are mostly accepted for MSc admission without further qualifications. Whereas, some schools will not admit an HND holder without professional qualifications (such as ICAN etc) or PGD
BSc holders are usually assigned with administrative duties at work rather than practical field assignments which their HND counterparts are exposed to.
Except most recently and to a few government establishments, HND holders were formerly employed with Grade Level 7; GL07 as opposed to Grade Level 08 for BSc holders. Yet, they are still limited to advancing beyond Grade level 14.
Does this mean it’s a woe to be a holder of HND?

No.

But the best advice still remains the same. Upgrade yourself!

Then, how?

1. Obtain JAMB DE form.
Consider obtaining a Direct Entry form to further your education to BSc. If you want to win the same position as the BSCs, you must be there too. No other way!

I know this may sound absurd but it’s real and it can be the best thing to do. Most people have gone down to reobtain JAMB UTME and reapply to the university. That’s worse. But you have a quicker way.

If you obtain JAMB DE form with National Diploma (ND), you’ll be given admission to 200 level of your proposed course. But with HND, you could be given a 300 level course. Most schools are accepting this. See the list of those universities here.

For instance, UNILORIN, for Engineering, accepts HND in a relevant Engineering discipline at Distinction or Upper Credits level from recognized Polytechnic or College of Technology after NYSC and may be considered for upgrading to 300 Level.

This can be a way out of lower-grade stigma for HND holders too. For example, the University of Ilorin accepts HND Lower Credit for the following courses and more.

COMPUTER SCIENCE: in Computer Science
MASS COMMUNICATION: HND (at least with Lower Credit) in Journalism, Mass Communication, Public Relations and Advertising.
AGRICULTURAL EXTENSION AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT: A Higher National Diploma (HND or equivalent) in Agriculture or related field of study with a minimum of lower credit from a recognized institution in Animal Husbandry, Agricultural Extension and Rural Sociology, Agricultural Economics and Farm Management, Food Science, Home Economics, Fishery, Forestry and Wildlife, etc; will be admitted into 300 level.
Note that I only use UNILORIN as a point of reference here, hundreds of other schools are accepting HND holders for Direct Entry admission on the same terms. Check JAMB brochure.

2. Obtain Msc Form of Schools Accepting HND Holders
As already mentioned, most schools are not considering HND holders for Masters programme. Yet we have a handful of these universities who admit you with a convincing grade if you have HND.

See the list below.

Achievers University Owo
Niger Delta University
Federal University of Technology Minna
Bayero University Dangote Business School
Afe Babalola University
University of Ilorin
And four others
This list will continually be updated, subscribe to this blog or bookmark this page for such future updates.

3. Obtain Top-Up Degree Form
This is equally called HND to Bsc Conversation programme. It is usually a year or two academic programmes that is taken to convert HND to Degree in the same or related course. This is why it is called HND-Bsc Conversion programme.

The programme can also be taken to upgrade a weaker degree grade in the same course or to another.

In most countries where Higher National Diploma is discriminated, holders of this qualification resolve to the Top-up degree to be equivalent to or recognised as their Bsc counterparts.

How does this work?

You obtain the form usually sold by universities. You’re admitted for a year or two academic classes, tests and exams and after, you’re awarded BSc.

Below is the list of schools where you can obtain HND to Bsc Top-Up Degree.

Kwara State University, Ilorin (State)
Bells University Abeokuta (Private)
Alhikmah University Ilorin (Private)
Southwestern University Nigeria (Private)
Delta State University (State)
Osun State Polytechnic Iree in Affiliate with Ajayi Crowther University etc.

source : https://www.dailyguide.com.ng/how-to-make-hnd-equate-or-beat-bsc-hnd-vs-bsc/

HND n Bsc will never be equal

yusman14:
BSC is ahead..
University students pass through alot of academics activities compared to poly students...
in poly, lecturers sell handouts and other materials that are not even up to 200pages per course in a semester...
Engineering here in OAU is very crazy..
only halliday(PHY101) textbook is like 2000+ pages and It was just for 100level..
Now in 200l we did engineering mechanics too and other engineering courses...mhen so bulky...
The D.E guys that joined us in 200l can't cope and they all made distinctions and upper credit in poly....na war to them...from UTME sef the difference is clear

University graduates are ahead of polytechnic graduates...

Your writing skill is one of the reasons why I didn't believe in this discrepancy. Trust me, I know hundreds of Polytechnic graduates that can write better than you.

That is the reason why a sharp employer of labour will give priority to test during recruitment process.

Trying to upgrade your HND to a BSc is self-deceit and falling for exploitation.
If you'd do anything, pursue a higher degree or professional cert in your field.
Don't waste your time and/or money on any upgrade.
By the time you're done, you'd see the futility.
I'd rather recommend you take a complementary degree if you really want a BSC but not a BSc in the same course you have your HND.

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BananaTree:
I got into the university through DE too and initially staggered. I agree that the polytechnics pampered us through the system. University hard abeg.

Banana tree kwa?

eniolaamos7:
HND takes 5 years bro. upon admission for ND programme which is a prerequisite for HND you must go for a year post ND Industrial training after the completion of the former. then after a year training you will be eligible for HND programme at any polytechnic or direct entry into university.
2yrs of ND + a year IT + 2yrs of HND =5years

u can c where the line of dichotomy is drawn. u earn the ND certificate after 2 year, u don't need to include d 2 years since u have been awarded d certificate, which means u are done with that level of education. Y d division? HND only take 2 years + 1 year IT. it's advisable to go for DE immediately after d ND program, HND is just a waste of time and besides 200 level in university is greater HND. University deals with mental ability and not technical. I rest my case

story for d gods, now even secondary sch drop out dey work for ministries with good salary.......

highbee02:
In a simple and clear term, HND doesn't take 5 years since u can decide to quit after your ND program. University programme is not run like that. Besides, there are aims and objectives for setting up various higher institutions of learning in Nigeria. ND & HND are technical certificates just d way we have NCE technical. Ask the policymakers and curriculum developers, they will explain better.

The term is not "deciding to quit after OND/ND", but "choosing not to enrol for HND".

However, once you decide to enrol for HND after the mandatory requirement of having a 2yr diploma and at least 1yr work experience, you would have spent a minimum of 5yrs to acquire the HND from the starting point of passing your WAEC O'levels.

If one achieves the HND from the 3yr NCE route with 1yr work experience, it would have taken 6yrs to attain from the starting point of passing WAEC O'levels.

So this begs the question why should an inferior qualification require more years to attain than the superior bachelor's degree of 4yrs that requires the same starting point qualification of WAEC O'levels?

Did UK not originate the HND that also feeds into the Bachelor's degree programme, yet it must always be achieved at 1year less than the university bachelor's? Same thing applies to British colonized Ghana and Kenya.

Whatever the external route taken to attain a Bachelor's, the total years of scholarship outside of the university in addition to the top-up years inside of the university, must be equal to the number of years it requires to attain such bachelor's by an entry level university student.

This is because the qualifying requirement for entry into the feeder institutions, and the requirements for entry into the university is the same O'levels. The feeder institutions only allow you to break your studies into parts/milestones that have their own certificates. You can then choose to stay off for some time before you continue to the next part, until you eventually close it out with the final part in a university.

Ultimately, you would have spent the same 4yrs of scholarship that a purely university path to the bachelor's degree would have afforded, except that you opted to take a route that allows you to break at different qualifying points, and work with those qualifications.

This is not applicable in Nigeria. Rather, a feeder qualification like the HND takes a minimum of 5yrs, when the university bachelor's it feeds into takes 4yrs from the same O'levels start point.

It is for this anomaly of earning HND at a year more than a B.Sc instead of a year lesser, that you have all the arguments about equality vs superiority between HND and B.Sc. An argument that does not exist in UK, Ghana or Kenya, because such anomaly does not exist in those countries between their HND and B.Sc.

highbee02:
u can c where the line of dichotomy is drawn. u earn the ND certificate after 2 year, u don't need to include d 2 years since u have been awarded d certificate, which means u are done with that level of education. Y d division? HND only take 2 years + 1 year IT. it's advisable to go for DE immediately after d ND program, HND is just a waste of time and besides 200 level in university is greater HND. University deals with mental ability and not technical. I rest my case

You are part of the problem that exist in Nigeria.

You mean after 2yrs of scholarship + 1yr of work experience + 2yrs of scholarship = HND, the HND graduate is still lesser than a 200 level university student?

You are indirectly saying the HND is equal to 100level / A' levels?

You mean after HND Mechanical Engineering or HND Architecture, it is only equal to A' levels or university 100 levels? You mean the subjects passed at A'levels/100 levels are at par with Accounting/Engineering/Architecture courses at HND level?

Why don't the universities issue HND certificates to their 100 levels student before progressing into 200 levels? Or why still keep polytechnics if you can achieve same competence with a university student who has just passed the 1st year?

You can now see why Nigeria is confused when people like you mistakenly get involved in the national education policy.


Do you know that in sane countries where the education policy does not result to your type of absurd mindset, that a 2yr university diploma should ordinarily qualify one for the remaining 2yrs of a 4yr university degree? Do you know that a 3yr Polytechnic HND should ordinarily qualify one for the remaining 1yr of a 4yr university degree?

You sound like the type that is happy that a department has never produced a 1st class graduate, and thinks it is a bragging right rather than a shame to the faculty of that department.

We are still dealing with the ignoble fact that Nigerians are spending more time than the rest of the world to acquire HND, or even B.Eng, coupled with the fact that it even takes longer to acquire HND than the superior B.Sc, and then you espouse another confusion of your own?

I'm perplexed by your reasoning. And it is the mindset that has continued to ruin things for Nigeria.

wisewordd:
Own a working business and employ a Masters degree holder.

Silly comment.

Evaluate your BSc with WES and HND with WES let's see

you will be surprised some BSc courses dnt even have complete acquired points while HND points acquired are way over

HND will come back as BSc...use it to go do your MSc in Europe leave this banana republic alone.

Throwback:
The term is not "deciding to quit after OND/ND", but "choosing not to enrol for HND".

However, once you decide to enrol for HND after the mandatory requirement of having a 2yr diploma and at least 1yr work experience, you would have spent a minimum of 5yrs to acquire the HND from the starting point of passing your WAEC O'levels.

If one achieves the HND from the 3yr NCE route with 1yr work experience, it would have taken 6yrs to attain from the starting point of passing WAEC O'levels.

So this begs the question why should an inferior qualification require more years to attain than the superior bachelor's degree of 4yrs that requires the same starting point qualification of WAEC O'levels?

Did UK not originate the HND that also feeds into the Bachelor's degree programme, yet it must always be achieved at 1year less than the university bachelor's? Same thing applies to British colonized Ghana and Kenya.

Whatever the external route taken to attain a Bachelor's, the total years of scholarship outside of the university in addition to the top-up years inside of the university, must be equal to the number of years it requires to attain such bachelor's by an entry level university student.

This is because the qualifying requirement for entry into the feeder institutions, and the requirements for entry into the university is the same O'levels. The feeder institutions only allow you to break your studies into parts/milestones that have their own certificates. You can then choose to stay off for some time before you continue to the next part, until you eventually close it out with the final part in a university.

Ultimately, you would have spent the same 4yrs of scholarship that a purely university path to the bachelor's degree would have afforded, except that you opted to take a route that allows you to break at different qualifying points, and work with those qualifications.

This is not applicable in Nigeria. Rather, a feeder qualification like the HND takes a minimum of 5yrs, when the university bachelor's it feeds into takes 4yrs from the same O'levels start point.

It is for this anomaly of earning HND at a year more than a B.Sc instead of a year lesser, that you have all the arguments about equality vs superiority between HND and B.Sc. An argument that does not exist in UK, Ghana or Kenya, because such anomaly does not exist in those countries between their HND and B.Sc.

Imagine highbee02 in the educational sector couple with bad governance.

Horiolah:
Imagine highbee02 in the educational sector couple with bad governance.

His mentality is that "I have suffered to pass through such system, let everyone else suffer through the same illogical path that is unfair, thereby achieving fairness for all".

Xmen149:
Evaluate your BSc with WES and HND with WES let's see

you will be surprised some BSc courses dnt even have complete acquired points while HND points acquired are way over

HND will come back as BSc...use it to go do your MSc in Europe leave this banana republic alone.

Exactly!

And that is because our HND is too advanced, too prolonged, and an "over-syllabus" of what a true HND ought to be.

I make bold to say it anywhere, what the rest of the world considers as HND is what Nigeria already offers as OND. Also, what Nigeria offers as a 5yr Engineering or Science degree is M.Eng in the UK.

The question remains why we did this to ourselves?

Mr. Throwback may I know your location please? Thanks.

Throwback:
Exactly!

And that is because our HND is too advanced, too prolonged, and an "over-syllabus" of what a true HND ought to be.

I make bold to say it anywhere, what the rest of the world considers as HND is what Nigeria already offers as OND. Also, what Nigeria offers as a 5yr Engineering or Science degree is M.Eng in the UK.

The question remains why we did this to ourselves?

Throwback:
His mentality is that "I have suffered to pass through such system, let everyone else suffer through the same illogical path that is unfair, thereby achieving fairness for all".

Gbam!!!

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Throwback:
Exactly!

And that is because our HND is too advanced, too prolonged, and an "over-syllabus" of what a true HND ought to be.

I make bold to say it anywhere, what the rest of the world considers as HND is what Nigeria already offers as OND. Also, what Nigeria offers as a 5yr Engineering or Science degree is M.Eng in the UK.

The question remains why we did this to ourselves?

And then I keep wondering? Who the hell are the policy makers? Who the hell created this educational system that reeks of confusion? Why can't we get it right for once in this country? Why is everything turned upsidedown

Throwback:
His mentality is that "I have suffered to pass through such system, let everyone else suffer through the same illogical path that is unfair, thereby achieving fairness for all".

Bro, u are off point

lastmessenger:
And then I keep wondering? Who are the hell are the policy makers? Who the hell created this educational system that reeks of confusion? Why can't we get it right for once in this country? Why is everything turned upsidedown

Since u are not in the field, u may not know about d educational policies. Park well!

Throwback:
His mentality is that "I have suffered to pass through such system, let everyone else suffer through the same illogical path that is unfair, thereby achieving fairness for all".

Did u say ILLOGICAL? I guess there is another meaning for this word.

Horiolah:
Imagine highbee02 in the educational sector couple with bad governance.

u are pained!

Throwback:
The term is not "deciding to quit after OND/ND", but "choosing not to enrol for HND".

However, once you decide to enrol for HND after the mandatory requirement of having a 2yr diploma and at least 1yr work experience, you would have spent a minimum of 5yrs to acquire the HND from the starting point of passing your WAEC O'levels.

If one achieves the HND from the 3yr NCE route with 1yr work experience, it would have taken 6yrs to attain from the starting point of passing WAEC O'levels.

So this begs the question why should an inferior qualification require more years to attain than the superior bachelor's degree of 4yrs that requires the same starting point qualification of WAEC O'levels?

Did UK not originate the HND that also feeds into the Bachelor's degree programme, yet it must always be achieved at 1year less than the university bachelor's? Same thing applies to British colonized Ghana and Kenya.

Whatever the external route taken to attain a Bachelor's, the total years of scholarship outside of the university in addition to the top-up years inside of the university, must be equal to the number of years it requires to attain such bachelor's by an entry level university student.

This is because the qualifying requirement for entry into the feeder institutions, and the requirements for entry into the university is the same O'levels. The feeder institutions only allow you to break your studies into parts/milestones that have their own certificates. You can then choose to stay off for some time before you continue to the next part, until you eventually close it out with the final part in a university.

Ultimately, you would have spent the same 4yrs of scholarship that a purely university path to the bachelor's degree would have afforded, except that you opted to take a route that allows you to break at different qualifying points, and work with those qualifications.

This is not applicable in Nigeria. Rather, a feeder qualification like the HND takes a minimum of 5yrs, when the university bachelor's it feeds into takes 4yrs from the same O'levels start point.

It is for this anomaly of earning HND at a year more than a B.Sc instead of a year lesser, that you have all the arguments about equality vs superiority between HND and B.Sc. An argument that does not exist in UK, Ghana or Kenya, because such anomaly does not exist in those countries between their HND and B.Sc.

what's "decide?" What's "choose?" use your dictionary abeg. U are only shooting yourself in d leg

paradigmshift:
don't put your hustle on certificate...
think outside the box.

i dn see many OND guys wey get money pass Bsc.
Hustle smart.


most big men u see for oil firm, most of em no get cert.

as long as you are in 9ja, fuckkkk cert, just know ur way..

My niggies try finish OND and vum them dey hammer now with Web dev and SEO.
In fact, d one doing SEO come dey give me work dey pay me 18k for two weeks.

highbee02:
I'm pained cuz y'all told me the truth.

OK.

highbee02:
Since u are not in the field, u may not know about d educational policies. Park well!

it does not matter whether I am in the field or not. We have asked the right questions here and its based on clearly observed fault lines in our educational policies.

lessonsoflife:
My niggies try finish OND and vum them dey hammer now with Web dev and SEO.
In fact, d one doing SEO come dey give me work dey pay me 18k for two weeks.

Na so the life just be. I dey see many people they brag ontpop bsc lol as if na one achievement. I for like learn that web dev and SEO but nobody to show me. I hail o