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Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:48am On Nov 13, 2019
Neil Swarbrick, the man whose job it is to oversee the implementation of VAR in the Premier League claimed it was the correct decision.

Speaking on BBC Five Live, he said: “That’s the subjective part – was it in an unnatural place? When you look at it, at no point does Trent Alexander-Arnold’s arm move towards the ball.

“His body posture … his arm is there. His arm has got to be somewhere. His arm is slightly away from his body but that is a neutral, natural position for his stance at that moment in time.

“The ball came from a short distance at pace, and just happened to hit that arm. He didn’t move the arm towards the ball, it just hit the arm.

“Michael Oliver has seen that clearly. That’s what he explained. He said ‘I know it’s hit the arm, but there is no arm movement, it’s come at short distance, I’m comfortable that that’s not deliberate handball’.

“It has to be deliberate in the penalty area to give a penalty. It’s different to scoring a goal, where it can be accidental. To give a penalty it’s got to be deliberate.

“Michael deemed it not to be deliberate. The VAR has looked at that, listened to what Michael said, and it absolutely married up.”

Except that is simply not true.

Not only that, Swarbrick, Oliver and the VAR all failed to see it, which questions either their eyesight or their integrity – take your pick.

Swarbrick also failed to mention the actual letter of the law.

He said it was about whether the arm was “in an unnatural place”.

The law actually states: “It is usually an offence if a player: touches the ball with their hand/arm when: the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger” or when the arm is raised above the head.

From being by his side, Alexander-Arnold’s arm indisputably rises and moves away from his body, therefore making his body “unnaturally bigger”.

VAR has been an unmitigated disaster. And with officials refusing to admit huge errors, and do something about them, it will continue to be so.



By the time the ball reaches Alexander-Arnold and strikes him, his arm has risen to a 45-degree angle





https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/var-liverpool-handball-alexander-arnold-17242608

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by izzou(m): 7:52am On Nov 13, 2019
grin

All I know is that if the referee had given City that penalty(the one between Sterling and Trent), then we will be getting ready to have 5 penalties in every EPL match

Unless we want defenders to start amputating their hands

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:55am On Nov 13, 2019
izzou:
grin

All I know is that if the referee had given City that penalty(the one between Sterling and Trent), then we will be getting ready to have 5 penalties in every EPL match

Unless we want defenders to start amputating their hands

You are just evading the truth. The above article clearly highlights the corrupt decision and lies made by the EPL officials.

The VAR officials knew it was a penalty and clearly denied City it. This is why I like VAR, now we know the agenda is clear.

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by majamajic(m): 7:57am On Nov 13, 2019
on the build up , it was man city player that first hit the ball with his arm , before it gets to the Liverpool player

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by izzou(m): 7:59am On Nov 13, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


You are just evading the truth. The above article clearly highlights the corrupt decision and lies made by the EPL officials.

The VAR officials knew it was a penalty and clearly denied City it. This is why I like VAR, now we know the agenda is clear.

Lol

When Firminho's goal was cancelled against Aston Villa because his armpit(abi armpit hair) was offside, who's agenda was clear then?

I'm not here to argue back and forth with you. Oliver was solely in charge of making the decision, and even if he gave the penalty, we all would live with it

But my point is if he had given that penalty, then we would be seeing about 5 similar cases on every match. Sterling purposely played it on his hand, and there was no other possible place to keep his hands.

Like your article said, his hands had to be somewhere

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:01am On Nov 13, 2019
majamajic:
on the build up , it was man city player that first hit the ball with his arm , before it gets to the Liverpool player

That was why the penalty was not given. If you read the article, the officials did not talk of the ball hitting Bernardo Silva's arm. The ball ricocheted to Silva's arm and was not a deliberate act.

Replay shows clearly that Trent Arnold Alexander on the other hand saw the ball and chose to use his hand to stop it. Which is clearly a deliberate act for a penalty.

The officials chose to deny it which shows a clear case of their corruption.

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:02am On Nov 13, 2019
izzou:


Lol

When Firminho's goal was cancelled against Aston Villa because his armpit(abi armpit hair) was offside, who's agenda was clear then?

I'm not here to argue back and forth with you. Oliver was solely in charge of making the decision, and even if he gave the penalty, we all would live with it

But my point is if he had given that penalty, then we would be seeing about 5 similar cases on every match. Sterling purposely played it on his hand, and there was no other possible place to keep his hands.

Like your article said, his hands had to be somewhere

You are just drifting. This is not about Firmino or Villa.

The article is about the officials seeing a deliberate handball, refusing to give it and later lying publicly about it.

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by izzou(m): 8:08am On Nov 13, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


You are just drifting. This is jot about Firmino or Villa.

The article is about the officials seeing a deliberate handball, refusing to give it and later lying publicly about it.

Deliberate? Do you know the meaning of Deliberate?

I have explained my stance on the matter. Oliver could have given the penalty and it will be fine. But when that stunt is pulled on your own defender, hope you don't cry.

I'm done repeating myself.

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by majamajic(m): 8:16am On Nov 13, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


That was why the penalty was not given. If you read the article, the officials did not talk of the ball hitting Bernardo Silva's arm. The ball ricocheted of Silva's foot to his hand and was not a deliberate act.

Replay shows clearly that Trent Arnold Alexander on the other hand saw the ball and chose to use his hand to stop it. Which is clearly a deliberate act for a penalty.

The officials chose to deny it which shows a clear case of their corruption.


I just watch it again now on YouTube , the ball first hit a man city player's hand during build up , go watch again , am not a Liverpool fan but the 2 penalties calls , none deserve to be a penalty , am a referee myself and a football coach , the second one , was ball to hand his hand was going into his body before the ball came from a short distance to hit him , Liverpool did a perfect job , especially the 2 flying wing backs .

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:11am On Nov 13, 2019
majamajic:



I just watch it again now on YouTube , the ball first hit a man city player's hand during build up , go watch again , am not a Liverpool fan but the 2 penalties calls , none deserve to be a penalty , am a referee myself and a football coach , the second one , was ball to hand his hand was going into his body before the ball came from a short distance to hit him , Liverpool did a perfect job , especially the 2 flying wing backs .

What are you typing?

Did anyone say the ball did not hit Bernardo Silva? Even the interview in the article did not talk about it because the ball deflected off Bernardo Silva to his hand which does not count as handball, like the Rojo's case against Nigeria.

That was not why it was ruled out if you bothered to read the article. It was ruled out because they claimed Trent did not intend to use his hand, which they are lying.

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:12am On Nov 13, 2019
izzou:


Deliberate? Do you know the meaning of Deliberate?

I have explained my stance on the matter. Oliver could have given the penalty and it will be fine. But when that stunt is pulled on your own defender, hope you don't cry.

I'm done repeating myself.

Read what I posted and understand. At least, look at the pictures and see that Trent moved his hand towards the ball which shows it was Deliberate.

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by izzou(m): 10:18am On Nov 13, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


Read what I posted and understand. At least, look at the pictures and see that Trent moved his hand towards the ball which shows it was Deliberate.

For the first one, we all saw that the ball left Silva's hand and hit Trent's

What I expected Oliver to do was give a foul again City and not continue the game. What had a penalty got to do with that?

The second handball is what we may consider a penalty

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:37am On Nov 13, 2019
izzou:


For the first one, we all saw that the ball left Silva's hand and hit Trent's

What I expected Oliver to do was give a foul again City and not continue the game. What had a penalty got to do with that?

The second handball is what we may consider a penalty

It was a penalty because Arnold Alexander had time to remove his hand and made his himself bigger with his arm. Finally moved his arm to the ball. Blatant penalty.

Finito.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTreCQCmBx0
Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by izzou(m): 10:38am On Nov 13, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


It was a penalty because Arnold Alexander had time to remove his hand and made his himself bigger with his arm. Finally moved his arm to the ball. Blatant penalty.

Finito.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTreCQCmBx0

So we should overlook Silva's hand that it hit?

Is that your point?

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by majamajic(m): 10:51am On Nov 13, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


What are you typing?

Did anyone say the ball did not hit Bernardo Silva? Even the interview in the article did not talk about it because the ball deflected off Bernardo Silva to his hand which does not count as handball, like the Rojo's case against Nigeria.

That was not why it was ruled out if you bothered to read the article. It was ruled out because they claim Trent did not intend to use his hand, which they are lying.

which ever way , Liverpool won the match !

man city didn't turn up for the match , don't defend them

I wan attend to customers pls

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by majamajic(m): 10:53am On Nov 13, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


What are you typing?

Did anyone say the ball did not hit Bernardo Silva? Even the interview in the article did not talk about it because the ball deflected off Bernardo Silva to his hand which does not count as handball, like the Rojo's case against Nigeria.

That was not why it was ruled out if you bothered to read the article. It was ruled out because they claim Trent did not intend to use his hand, which they are lying.

since Silva touched the ball first , why are u bent on the second person , instead of the first hand ball from Silva ?

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:22am On Nov 13, 2019
majamajic:


since Silva touched the ball first , why are u bent on the second person , instead of the first hand ball from Silva ?

Because Silva's own was not a penalty because there was no time to take off his hand, he did not watch the flight of the ball and did not deliberately try to stop play which is opposite of what Trent Alexander did.

The true question is, why are you deliberately trying to avoid the point of the thread.


The point is about the match officials lying. Not whether ball hit Bernard's hand.
The officials saw something and lied about it.

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:23am On Nov 13, 2019
majamajic:


which ever way , Liverpool won the match !

man city didn't turn up for the match , don't defend them

I wan attend to customers pls


That is not the point of the thread. The point is that the match officials lied to justify a wrong call.
Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:24am On Nov 13, 2019
izzou:


So we should overlook Silva's hand that it hit?

Is that your point?

The point is the match officials lied.
Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by majamajic(m): 11:33am On Nov 13, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


That is not the point of the thread. The point is that the match officials lied to justify a wrong call.


it was not a wrong call, it was not a penalty . which ever way they tried to defend it , there was a hand ball , but not a penalty.

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by majamajic(m): 11:37am On Nov 13, 2019
TheGoodJoe:


Because Silva's own was not a penalty because there was no time to take off his hand, he did not watch the flight of the ball and did not deliberately try to stop play which is opposite of what Trent Alexander did.

The true question is, why are you deliberately trying to avoid the point of the thread.


The point is about the match officials lying. Not whether ball hit Bernard's hand.
The officials saw something and lied about it.

no lies there , it was ball to hand , the hand was not outside his body , Silva hand was totally outside his body , which if he is defending , it's a pure penalty. but cos he is striking he was overlooked before the ball went ahead to hit the Liverpool defender , in this case u don't give a penalty , cos u overlooked the first offender almost before the next ,

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:51am On Nov 13, 2019
majamajic:


no lies there , it was ball to hand , the hand was not outside his body , Silva hand was totally outside his body , which if he is defending , it's a pure penalty. but cos he is striking he was overlooked before the ball went ahead to hit the Liverpool defender , in this case u don't give a penalty , cos u overlooked the first offender almost before the next ,

You are still deviating.

Michael Oliver and the VAR man lied Trent Alexander did not commit a deliberate offence. What do you say about that. That is the point of the thread.

If you feel Bernardo Silva committed a foul or not is not in question. The question is, why did they both lie to something so blatant.

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:54am On Nov 13, 2019
majamajic:



it was not a wrong call, it was not a penalty . which ever way they tried to defend it , there was a hand ball , but not a penalty.

“Michael Oliver has seen that clearly. That’s what he explained. He said ‘I know it’s hit the arm, but there is no arm movement, it’s come at short distance, I’m comfortable that that’s not deliberate handball’.

“It has to be deliberate in the penalty area to give a penalty. It’s different to scoring a goal, where it can be accidental. To give a penalty it’s got to be deliberate.

“Michael deemed it not to be deliberate. The VAR has looked at that, listened to what Michael said, and it absolutely married up.”

Read the bolded and see that Michael Oliver lied and the VAR people checked the lie and agreed with the lied. The pictures proved they lied.

You comment here is off point.




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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by Naija4love(m): 12:44pm On Nov 13, 2019
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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by fredoooooo: 12:45pm On Nov 13, 2019
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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by wonuks(m): 12:45pm On Nov 13, 2019
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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by Tolumiide: 12:45pm On Nov 13, 2019
Liverpool also had a hand ball in that game that VAR overlooked.

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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by WonderManly(m): 12:46pm On Nov 13, 2019
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Re: Proof Match Officials Were Against Manchester City In Game With Liverpool by Kenmatt(m): 12:47pm On Nov 13, 2019
I don't even need to read it down, all I know is that VAR doesn't work in EPL.

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