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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by tonididdy(m): 1:19am On Nov 14, 2019
Anduku:


Where was the attempt? did he offer zelensky a bribe? did he ask anyone to offer zelensky a bribe? Lol, the media know that their quid pro quo/bribery argument has already collapsed so they are trying to shift to "attempted to " grin. What a bunch of clowns!!
Everyone knows a bribe entails money or a favor-in-return, asking zelensky to investigate the biddens in return for the latters is bribery.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 1:55am On Nov 14, 2019
BraniacX:
their star witness? And stop playing semantics, offered aid in exchange indeed, extorting illegal requirements in exchange for aid is more apt
call it whatever you wish, the point is that nothing like that happened. The witness himself said so today. Open this link for the details and videos of that

https://www.dailywire.com/news/jim-jordan-shreds-democrats-impeachment-witness-what-you-heard-did-not-happen

And may I add that the Ukrainian President has stood in front of
the world press and repeatedly, consistently, over and over again, interview after interview, said he had no knowledge of military aid being withheld, meaning no quid pro quo!!!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by CTPlayer: 1:58am On Nov 14, 2019
A federal grand jury returned a superseding indictment today against Michael Avenatti in the SDNY case in which he is charged with attempting to extort millions from Nike, per court filings. The superseder drops the conspiracy charges & adds 1 count of honest services wire fraud

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 2:06am On Nov 14, 2019
tonididdy:

Everyone knows a bribe entails money or a favor-in-return, asking zelensky to investigate the biddens in return for the latters is bribery.
The witness today confessed that nothing like that happened. You can watch the video here

https://www.dailywire.com/news/jim-jordan-shreds-democrats-impeachment-witness-what-you-heard-did-not-happen

Jim Jordan asked him,

“President Zelensky meets with you, Ambassador Volker, and Ambassador Sondland, and again, according to your deposition and your testimony, there was no linkage of security assistance dollars to investigating Burisma or the Bidens.”

“Second meeting was August 27, President Zelensky meets with you, Ambassador Bolton and others, and again there’s no linkage of security assistance dollars to an investigation of the Bidens,” Jordan continued. “And then of course, the third meeting was September 5, President Zelensky meets with you and Senators Johnston and Murphy, and once again there was no linkage of security assistance dollars to investigating Burisma or the Bidens.”

“Three meetings with the president of Ukraine and no linkage,”. “That’s accurate?”

And he answered,

“Mr. Jordan, it’s certainly accurate on the first two meetings, because to my knowledge the Ukrainians were not aware of the hold on assistance until the 29th of August,” Taylor responded. “The third meeting that you mentioned, with Senator Murphy and Senator Johnston, there was discussion of security assistance but … but, uh, there was not a discussion of linkage.”

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Lucasbalo(m): 2:38am On Nov 14, 2019
Anduku:

call it whatever you wish, the point is that nothing like that happened. The witness himself said so today. Open this link for the details and videos of that

https://www.dailywire.com/news/jim-jordan-shreds-democrats-impeachment-witness-what-you-heard-did-not-happen

And may I add that the Ukrainian President has stood in front of
the world press and repeatedly, consistently, over and over again, interview after interview, said he had no knowledge of military aid being withheld, meaning no quid pro quo!!!
Keep posting your BS if it makes you happy. The bottom line is that what you say wouldn't affect the impeachment that's going on. You are like an ostrich that hides his head under the sand.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by coluka: 7:53am On Nov 14, 2019
Another thing that is being overlooked in yesterday's hearings was the confirmation by George Kent that burisma was indeed a corrupt company, That Hunter Biden's being on the board of Burisma raised a lot of concerns and that he personally raised those concerns with the staff of the then-Vice President Joe Biden and that the new prosecutor who was hired to investigate Burisma had taken a bribe to shut the case.

George Kent also testified that the he believes this matter "should" be investigated for corruption.

The fake news media are refusing to replay this clips to their viewers who didn't watch it live but you can watch them here

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2019/11/14/dems-own-witness-said-he-had-concern-about-hunter-biden-and-there-should-be-an-investigation-of-his-company/

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by garetz: 9:40am On Nov 14, 2019
feedthenation:


Whether the hearing falls apart or not, one thing is certain, Trump is not mentally or politically fit to hold any public office in the United States of America, he should have quietly stick with his tv shows or real estate business.

The impeachment public hearing is not to convince Trump supporters, but to hold accountable the office of the president of the United States as it states in the Articles of Constitution drawn by the Founding Fathers, no one is above the law.

If this was a fair trial Bill Taylor’s testimony would be more than enough to indict Trump and get him out of office. He’s laying it all out in a very clear and concise manner. But unfortunately, this won’t matter a jot because of the cowardice of the Republicans. The 2 guys have got a combined career experience of more than 50 years working in both Republican and Democrat government.

Their note taking skills is impeccable, compared to Trump who even admitted that his Trump Foundation was charged in court because they don't take board minutes during their meetings.
What useless testimony did He lay out in a very clear and concise manner? The one he admitted during his deposition that his ONLY basis of that information is that he read it in The NY Times?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 9:41am On Nov 14, 2019
Ambassador Taylor, (Democrat's star witness) speaking to House Committee: ''What I can do for you today is to tell you what I heard from people'' grin grin grin This is all you need, folks, to know it's all a sham!!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by garetz: 9:45am On Nov 14, 2019
obixcel:
Ambassador Taylor, (Democrat's star witness) speaking to House Committee: ''What I can do for you today is to tell you what I heard from people'' grin grin grin This is all you need, folks, to know it's all a sham!!
Big sham

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by garetz: 10:27am On Nov 14, 2019
TheShopKeeper:
Book by ‘Anonymous’ describes Trump as cruel, inept and a danger to the nation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/book-by-anonymous-describes-trump-as-cruel-inept-and-a-danger-to-the-nation/2019/11/07/b6b6c6f2-0150-11ea-8bab-0fc209e065a8_story.html

Senior Trump administration officials considered resigning en masse last year in a “midnight self-massacre” to sound a public alarm about President Trump’s conduct, but rejected the idea because they believed it would further destabilize an already teetering government, according to a new book by an unnamed author.
In “A Warning” by Anonymous, obtained by The Washington Post ahead of its release, a writer described only as “a senior official in the Trump administration” paints a chilling portrait of the president as cruel, inept and a danger to the nation he was elected to lead.

The author — who first captured attention in 2018 as the unidentified author of a New York Times opinion column — describes Trump careening from one self-inflicted crisis to the next, “like a twelve-year-old in an air traffic control tower, pushing the buttons of government indiscriminately, indifferent to the planes skidding across the runway and the flights frantically diverting away from the airport.”
The 259-page book — which was published by Twelve, an imprint of Grand Central Publishing/Hachette Book Group, and goes on sale Nov. 19 — does not re-create many specific episodes in vivid detail, which the author writes was intentional to protect his or her identity.
“I have decided to publish this anonymously because this debate is not about me,” the author writes. “It is about us. It is about how we want the presidency to reflect our country, and that is where the discussion should center. Some will call this ‘cowardice.’ My feelings are not hurt by the accusation. Nor am I unprepared to attach my name to criticism of President Trump. I may do so, in due course.”
The author’s Sept. 5, 2018, ¬op-ed in the Times, headlined “I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration,” depicted some senior officials as a bulwark protecting the country from the president’s reckless impulses. Trump denounced it at the time as treasonous.
In the book, the author repudiates the central thesis of the column: “I was wrong about the ‘quiet resistance’ inside the Trump administration. Unelected bureaucrats and cabinet appointees were never going to steer Donald Trump the right direction in the long run, or refine his malignant management style. He is who he is.”
The book depicts Trump as making misogynistic and racist comments behind the scenes. “I’ve sat and listened in uncomfortable silence as he talks about a woman’s appearance or performance,” the author writes. “He comments on makeup. He makes jokes about weight. He critiques clothing. He questions the toughness of women in and around his orbit. He uses words like ‘sweetie’ and ‘honey’ to address accomplished professionals. This is precisely the way a boss shouldn’t act in the work environment.”

The author argues that Trump is incapable of leading the United States through a monumental international crisis, describing how he tunes out intelligence and national security briefings and theorizing that foreign adversaries see him as “a simplistic pushover” who is susceptible to flattery and easily manipulated.

The author portrays Trump as fearful of coups against him and suspicious of note-takers on his staff. According to the book, the president shouted at an aide who was scribbling in a notebook during a meeting, “What the [expletive] are you doing?” He added, “Are you [expletive] taking notes?” The aide apologized and closed the notebook.
The author also ruminates about Trump’s fitness for office, describing him as reckless and without full control of his faculties.

....if some people want to read a different book to the above book titled 'A Warning'...Donald Trump Jr. has got his own book through Barnes and Noble...'Triggered'


Donald Trump Jr's book “Triggered.” has Debuted at #1 on the New York Times best sellers list, the Book by ‘Anonymous’ is no where to be found.

Also 'The View' ratings with Donald Trump Jr earned the highest viewership in 6 months

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BraniacX(m): 11:44am On Nov 14, 2019
Anduku:

call it whatever you wish, the point is that nothing like that happened. The witness himself said so today. Open this link for the details and videos of that

https://www.dailywire.com/news/jim-jordan-shreds-democrats-impeachment-witness-what-you-heard-did-not-happen

And may I add that the Ukrainian President has stood in front of
the world press and repeatedly, consistently, over and over again, interview after interview, said he had no knowledge of military aid being withheld, meaning no quid pro quo!!!
anduku, remind me again, exactly when did congress approve the funds for Ukraine?
And if you're waiting for the Ukrainian President to come out publicly to announce that there was quid quo pro, you are either duplicitous or extremely naive

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BraniacX(m): 11:50am On Nov 14, 2019
Anduku:

What is funny is how Democrats built this entire sham on an argument that trump offered aid in exchange for dirt on his political opponents but their STAR WITNESS has already admitted that nothing like that happened.
is it really a sham anduku? Please define sham again because my understanding of the word is a bit fuzzy like sondland's recollection of events. A pentagon official has gone on oath to say her understanding from vaulker(I hope I misspelled it right grin) was that the delay for the transfer of already approved funds for Ukraine by the congress was from the Whitehouse and it was contingent on certain political commitments from Ukraine, let me leave it at that for now but please feel free to challenge me to go into specifics

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 11:56am On Nov 14, 2019
"Hearsay can be better than direct evidence" Democrat Rep. Quigley grin grin

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 12:29pm On Nov 14, 2019
Like the Mueller investigation, the impeachment hearings are not based on truth, just speculation and the wishes of mentally deranged people who want to remove a President because of
1) His political party affiliation,
2) he won the election and they refuse to accept the results,
3) he said things that they do not like and
4) he has made policies that they do not like. They have resorted to lies, speculation, hatred, intolerance, bigotry and racism, the very things they claim he is engaging in and they claim to oppose. There are no facts to support their claims, just desires and wishes.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BraniacX(m): 12:30pm On Nov 14, 2019
obixcel:
"Hearsay can be better than direct evidence" Democrat Rep. Quigley grin grin
especially when direct evidence is being withheld by the department of state.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 12:35pm On Nov 14, 2019
BraniacX:
especially when direct evidence is being withheld by the department of state.
And where is the whistle-blower?
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BraniacX(m): 12:36pm On Nov 14, 2019
obixcel:
Like the Mueller investigation, the impeachment hearings are not based on truth, just speculation and the wishes of mentally deranged people who want to remove a President because of
1) His political party affiliation,
2) he won the election and they refuse to accept the results,
3) he said things that they do not like and
4) he has made policies that they do not like. They have resorted to lies, speculation, hatred, intolerance, bigotry and racism, the very things they claim he is engaging in and they claim to oppose. There are no facts to support their claims, just desires and wishes.
deranged people like career diplomats, servicemen and women and yes on your number 4. A policy like leveraging aid to Ukraine for manufactured political dirt on the bidens' is the policy he is getting impeached for, at least you are finally showing some proof of limited education
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BraniacX(m): 12:37pm On Nov 14, 2019
obixcel:
Ambassador Taylor, (Democrat's star witness) speaking to House Committee: ''What I can do for you today is to tell you what I heard from people'' grin grin grin This is all you need, folks, to know it's all a sham!!
your comprehension skills are NON EXISTENT! in fact your comprehension skills is a total SHAM grin
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Timbuktuo: 12:39pm On Nov 14, 2019
Trump will leave the White House in 2025 after his second term

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BraniacX(m): 12:42pm On Nov 14, 2019
obixcel:
And where is the whistle-blower?
to testify under oath the moment trump is ready to testify under oath in congress too grin and FYI sorry to burst your ignorant bubble, this hearing has gone way waaaaaay past the whistle blower, corroborating evidence and testimonies have rendered the whistle blowers testimony unnecessary at this stage, but still, to pander to your republi-CUNT whims, we will produce the whistleblower to testify on oath alongside trump, deal? grin
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Lucasbalo(m): 12:45pm On Nov 14, 2019
Timbuktuo:
Trump will leave the White House in 2025 after his second term
Only if garage touts at Oshodi are allowed to vote in American presidential election.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Lucasbalo(m): 12:47pm On Nov 14, 2019
obixcel:
And where is the whistle-blower?
Where is Taliban Trump ?. I witnessed President Clinton deposition by Ken Starr during the impeachment saga of Clinton, can the lying demagogue Trump give a deposition.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by feedthenation(m): 12:57pm On Nov 14, 2019
obixcel:
Like the Mueller investigation, the impeachment hearings are not based on truth, just speculation and the wishes of mentally deranged people who want to remove a President because of
1) His political party affiliation,
2) he won the election and they refuse to accept the results,
3) he said things that they do not like and
4) he has made policies that they do not like. They have resorted to lies, speculation, hatred, intolerance, bigotry and racism, the very things they claim he is engaging in and they claim to oppose. There are no facts to support their claims, just desires and wishes.

Don't worry wait until the unretarded Mueller report is released. At least from the Mueller investigation a number of people close to Trump where indicted - Party Chairman, even his own personal attorney.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by TheShopKeeper(m): 1:04pm On Nov 14, 2019
garetz:



Donald Trump Jr's book “Triggered.” has Debuted at #1 on the New York Times best sellers list, the Book by ‘Anonymous’ is no where to be found.

Also 'The View' ratings with Donald Trump Jr earned the highest viewership in 6 months

...Calm down dear...the book by the Anonymous titled 'The Warning' is yet to be released...official release date is November 19...By the way...have you taken time out to read the book by Donald Trump Jr...it is very informative...
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by BraniacX(m): 1:14pm On Nov 14, 2019
In other "not news" undecided Stephen Miller's about 900 emails to breitbart have been released to the SPLC showing how he used breitbart to shapes Trump's admins many racist policies and talking points, championing white nationalist agendas, talking points, propaganda while passing it of as news
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-millers-affinity-white-nationalism-revealed-leaked-emails
But still according to the Trump's very good people on the other side at Charlottesville, JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US! this is just too good to make up, there is the obixcels Jewish equivalent
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by TheShopKeeper(m): 1:24pm On Nov 14, 2019
obixcel:
"Hearsay can be better than direct evidence" Democrat Rep. Quigley grin grin


...You are being sarcastic...Well listen to Lindsay Graham (R) in 1999 during the impeachment hearing of Bill Clinton...

"You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office"


...Based on the above statement by Lindsay Graham...the Democrats are doing the right thing...no one is above the law even the POTUS...

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article230606129.html/video-embed/amp/thestate

Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by wirinet(m): 1:26pm On Nov 14, 2019
Anduku:
Summary of Taylor's testimony,

Taylor never met President Trump or talked to his Chief of Staff about any quid pro quo

Zelensky never mentioned anything about any quid pro quo to him.

His testimony is all hearsay of what other people said

And this guy is supposed to be the Democrats star witness undecided


He did not need to meet Trump. All the over 200 US ambassadors do not need to meet Trump. They carry out US foreign policies without day to day interruptions from the president.

President zelensky asked him why the aid was being held up by Trump. He could not answer and no one told him why.

Yes his testimony is mainly hearsay, because he was not involved in the new Ukraine policy as directed by Gulianni. He was left out of the loop.
Afterall, all the people he said he heard are alive, and not one has denied. They would be called to deny or collaborate his hearsay.

Taylor said he is not anybody's witness, he was simply called to testify before the US house as required by law.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by wirinet(m): 1:34pm On Nov 14, 2019
garetz:
So far, the impeachment testimony has been a major bust for Democrats. All Dems have been able to show is that they have Trump-hating bureaucrats, who think they are in charge of foreign policy and that the President is there to do their bidding. Not looking good
Trump must be a demi god of sorts. All the bureaucracrats hate him, the FBI hate him, most of his political appointees hate him, the state department hate him, the press hate him, in fact close to 60% of Americans hate him. The only people that love him are his Nazi, white supremacist, evangelical and white male, blue collar rural dwellers and of course Putin. I honestly don't know where to put Nigerians worshippers living in Nigeria.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by wirinet(m): 1:44pm On Nov 14, 2019
CTPlayer:
4 inconvenient facts for the Democrat impeachment fantasy:

- Call transcript shows zero link between aid and political investigations
- Aid was released WITHOUT any new investigations
- Ukraine didn’t know aid was withheld during the call
- Trump/Zelensky both say: zero pressure
False narrative.
There is no call transcript, it's more of a call memo, and the memo itself warned that it was not a word for word transcript.

Aid was help up for months with no explanations to anybody, while Gulianni took up the role of chief envoy to Ukraine to pressure the Ukraine government to investigate the Biden's for corruption.

Aid was release after the whistleblower reported the issue to the justice department and the justice department explained the implications of further delay to the administration. If the money was not released by 30th of September, it will go back to the US treasury and will be lost for this financial year.

Zelensky was trying to avoid angering Trump and at the same time navigate the precarious position between the Democrats and Republicans. He cannot be seen to be taking position with either side.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by CTPlayer: 2:00pm On Nov 14, 2019
BraniacX:
In other "not news" undecided Stephen Miller's about 900 emails to breitbart have been released to the SPLC showing how he used breitbart to shapes Trump's admins many racist policies and talking points, championing white nationalist agendas, talking points, propaganda while passing it of as news
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-millers-affinity-white-nationalism-revealed-leaked-emails
But still according to the Trump's very good people on the other side at Charlottesville, JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US! this is just too good to make up, there is the obixcels Jewish equivalent

The fake Charlottsville tiki torch deal was organized by a leftist Jew, Jason Kessler. Also Trump never talked about those guys. He was talking about people on both sides of the debate regarding taking down confederate statues. I swear you people are insane. Trump has been a known celebrity since the 80's and only since he ran for potus did he become rayyyyycccisssssstttttt. LOL

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Lucasbalo(m): 2:03pm On Nov 14, 2019
CTPlayer:


The fake Charlottsville tiki torch deal was organized by a leftist Jew, Jason Kessler. Also Trump never talked about those guys. He was talking about people on both sides of the debate regarding taking down confederate statues. I swear you people are insane. Trump has been a known celebrity since the 80's and only since he ran for potus did he become rayyyyycccisssssstttttt. LOL
Talking like a true skinhead.

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