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Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by Foolishbuhari:
Hofbrauhaus:
I hope i understood you well...Somebody hit you and lay unconscious on the ground and you left him there? You didn't even go to check on him to confirm if he is dead or dying? Did he hit you on purpose? No, it was an accident. A good Christian would have at least checked on him.
Pray you don't ever be on those shoes! These abo.ki Okada people are the most useless people in Nigeria. They are worse in Abuja in those areas Okada move especially Dei Dei down! Reckless, and when they hit you they would crowd you to say it was you who didn't drive well. I've seen where doz idiots went on rampage breaking every car wind shield they came across on the express because they claimed one of them had an accident with someone else who sped off , so they had to unleash violence on everyone else. I have also seen where they crowded one man and beat him up mercilessly. People gathered to ask what happened and they said his car looks like the car of someone who hit one of them and ran away the week before SMH.

If she had dared go back there to check on him, that is an automatic admittance of guilt to them and you don't ever want to have an experience of dirty saliva from an unreasonable mob raining down on you
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by Martinez39(m): 2:21pm On Nov 15, 2019
The injustice meted to ishilove could make my blood boil for weeks if I were in her shoes. I feel your pain. What happened to you was simply mobbing and robbery. This emotional way of thinking is one of the reasons why this country lags intellectually. If you observe how it was easy and quick for a large group of people to believe you caused the accident, then you understand how it was easy for many to believe that an old woman changed from a bird to human and is a witch and then proceed to lynch her.

It all boils that to one thing: thinking with emotions other than the brain. The readiness with which people believe tales without proof is sickening. The case of Pastor Fatoyinbo and Busola Dakolo comes to mind. Imagine if you were a man and you were accused of rape.

Though I don't the full details and I am a bit naive but should you have insisted on calling the police right away and going to a better hospital?
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by LZAA: 2:23pm On Nov 15, 2019
fatymore:
First and Foremost, this isnt about Islam(someone said because she isn't a Muslim, so that brought Islam in)

We are have yourubas and other tribes who are Muslims and they don't behave uncouth like this.

I read all and I am boiling down in my spirit.

Check the roads now, majority of them are bikers and they drive carelessly with no regards for lives. These are what you can't do in their regions.
The kind of mentality they have is so appalling.
They can do and undo without anybody holding them. That was how they killed one guy in my area then with their small dagger.

Illiteracy is one of the factors disturbing them.

I saw a Maruwa tumbled because of one them some weeks back and yet he was insisting he wasn't at fault which was so glaring he was trying to double cross.

We are in perilous time in this country. We just need to be extra careful, notwithstanding the educated ones among them are better.

God bless Nigeria and the good people of Nigeria
Which other tribes grin
Keep living in cuckooland
Only yorubas follow islam after hausa
Forget all those scam u dy hear from ebonyi
Smh
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by Nobody: 2:23pm On Nov 15, 2019
Hofbrauhaus:
I hope i understood you well...Somebody hit you and lay unconscious on the ground and you left him there? You didn't even go to check on him to confirm if he is dead or dying? Did he hit you on purpose? No, it was an accident. A good Christian would have at least checked on him.
Hope you are educated and sane enough to understand this is a mob situation and that the person it happened to was a lady. More over was the biker grievously wounded? So she should stand there to be lynched by unruly mob.
You are the one who is insensitive in this situation, and I pity those who relate with you.
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by fatymore(f): 2:26pm On Nov 15, 2019
undecided
LZAA:
Which other tribes grin
Keep living in cuckooland
Only yorubas follow islam after hausa
Forget all those scam u dy hear from ebonyi
Smh
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by LZAA: 2:27pm On Nov 15, 2019
Martinez39:
The injustice meted to ishilove could make my blood boil for weeks if I were in her shoes. I feel your pain. What happened to you was simply mobbing and robbery. This emotional way of thinking is one of the reasons why this country lags intellectually. If you observe how it was easy and quick for a large group of people to believe you caused the accident, then you understand how it was easy for many to believe that an old woman changed from a bird to human and is a witch and then proceed to lynch her.

It all boils that to one thing: thinking with emotions other than the brain. The readiness with which people believe tales without proof is sickening. The case of Pastor Fatoyinbo and Busola Dakolo comes to mind. Imagine if you were a man and you were accused of rape.

Though I don't the full details and I am a bit naive but should you have insisted on calling the police right away and going to a better hospital?
So because it's ishilove u dy boil abi?
Watch your view on tvc and see how igbos get insulted or read online and offline yet we chill
See if u support bad tin one day it must nab u
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by LZAA: 2:28pm On Nov 15, 2019
fatymore:
undecided
Middle belt speak hausa but don't follow islam
So outside that there's no one else
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by Nobody: 2:30pm On Nov 15, 2019
Ishilove:
An industry colleague told me that such rubbish could never have happened in other areas of Apapa dominated by South-Westerners. He said when they start misbehaving, "those Yoruba boys will start reformatting their brains with slaps". End quote. Another said in places like computer village, they Easterners would have beaten them to a pulp if they pulled that kind of idiocy on an innocent person.

One Nigeria is a mirage, and it's going to get worse.
don't see it like this educated people from all tribes act sensibly
Don't let their illiteracy get to u like this
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by Nobody: 2:30pm On Nov 15, 2019
fk001:
How are we sure that you didn't sugarcoated your story so as to get sympathy from your readers while painting the riders black.

You would have atleast check on the guy to see whether he was injured or not, but instead you were busy arguing and claiming right, That's inhumane of you, if it happened where jungle justice prevails I guess they would have lynched you or something, next time for your safety don't argue in such places where there is dominace particular tribe.


Samething would have happened in Igbo or Yoruba dominated area of lagos, people tend to stand for their own. So is not only a northern thingy.

BTW your write up stinks of ethnic bigotry which makes you look like one.
When was the last you visited your psychiatrist? After reading your comment, as an analyst I realised you need a medical check up. Please go quickly.
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by Dicktionary: 2:30pm On Nov 15, 2019
Why are you all Flabagasted About?
Motorcycle Riders (Okada) are the real menace to the Nigeria Township Society.
They are bunch of Crazy Vagabonds, Hooligans, Nicompu, with Extraordinary Locura Scattered all over Nigeria.
Mind you, they are all Walking dead Zombies, in respective of Tribe,Religion or Ethnicity, They are all insane and Kolotious
(OKADA ARE ALWAYS RIGHT!!!)

I once witnessed a group of Okada rider nearly Lynch an Hausa Tanker driver who was not at fault in a State in Eastern Nigeria just because he was not Igbo.
It happens every were get used to it Madam. Every Okada rider have a High Tendency to End up in a Psychiatric Hospital in the nearest Future. That Job is Equivalent as working in a Minne. Smh
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by Hofbrauhaus(m): 2:35pm On Nov 15, 2019
quirus:
Hope you are educated and sane enough to understand this is a mob situation and that the person it happened to was a lady. More over was the biker grievously wounded? So she should stand there to be lynched by unruly mob.
You are the one who is insensitive in this situation, and I pity those who relate with you.
You people don't have conscience again in this country o
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by linkin8k(m): 2:35pm On Nov 15, 2019
Is there really any need to specify where each person in your story is from? Does it matter if they are northerners or southerners?
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by maasoap(m): 2:35pm On Nov 15, 2019
respect80:
In conclusion, I would implore those who see the north as allies to beware of the dragon which blandishes with the head and smites with the tail.
Tell that to those who opted for Atiku as the best available alternative to Buhari
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by maasoap(m): 2:36pm On Nov 15, 2019
linkin8k:
Is there really any need to specify where each person in your story is from? Does it matter if they are northerners or southerners?
To her, it is only northerners that behave in such manner, the mob mentality
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by fk001(m): 2:42pm On Nov 15, 2019
quirus:
When was the last you visited your psychiatrist? After reading your comment, as an analyst I realised you need a medical check up. Please go quickly.
I don't reply nonentities this would be the first and the last.
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by maasoap(m):
Martinez39:
The injustice meted to ishilove could make my blood boil for weeks if I were in her shoes. I feel your pain. What happened to you was simply mobbing and robbery. This emotional way of thinking is one of the reasons why this country lags intellectually. If you observe how it was easy and quick for a large group of people to believe you caused the accident, then you understand how it was easy for many to believe that an old woman changed from a bird to human and is a witch and then proceed to lynch her.

It all boils that to one thing: thinking with emotions other than the brain. The readiness with which people believe tales without proof is sickening. The case of Pastor Fatoyinbo and Busola Dakolo comes to mind. Imagine if you were a man and you were accused of rape.

Though I don't the full details and I am a bit naive but should you have insisted on calling the police right away and going to a better hospital?
She didn't realise that that wasn't specific to any tribe, just mob mentality that many Nigerians have, from the north to the east to the west. That's why I'm always standing against jungle justice even if the suspect is "guilty". She was pronounced guilty in this case. Many that didn't witness the accident would have been made to believe that she was guilty as charged if she had been physically attacked (remember that she wasn't physically attacked probably because she is not a man)
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by maasoap(m): 2:48pm On Nov 15, 2019
ornicus:
sorry again

to be honest it is not a tribal thing in that sense
i live in festac and they pull the same nonsense there on the regular when one of their fellow eejits gets into an accident.
anywhere there is an accident, okadamen will gather and intimidate the owner of the vehicle, no matter the circumstances

aboki will erm always be aboki, though it is also a nigerian thing. i am sure you saw me dragging with supposedly educated uber drivers who formed brotherhood and proclaimed they were right no matter what

it is time for the govt to ban okadas. their wahala pass their usefulness. we sha have opay now
Thank you
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by Martinez39(m): 3:02pm On Nov 15, 2019
LZAA:
So because it's ishilove u dy boil abi?
Watch your view on tvc and see how igbos get insulted or read online and offline yet we chill
See if u support bad tin one day it must nab u
Learn the read thoroughly.

The injustice meted to ishilove could make my blood boil for weeks if I were in her shoes.
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by respect80(m): 3:13pm On Nov 15, 2019
maasoap:
Tell that to those who opted for Atiku as the best available alternative to Buhari
Just leave Buhari and Atiku out of this pls.
The barbaric and inhumane reaction by those northerners even on another man's land is completely unwarranted and I don't see why Buhari and Atiku has to be mentioned while you air your view.
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by Nobody: 3:20pm On Nov 15, 2019
Ishilove:
(contd)

The passenger, whose accent proclaimed him of eastern extraction answered "the boy lying unconscious there". I was baffled. Why do I have to go back for any bloody reason when he is the one that hit me? I was already getting mega pissed by now and I told the idiot man as much and walked away with TJ. I had barely gone a few steps when I was surrounded by what seemed like hundreds of illiterate northern bikers commonly known as...you are. right. Very correct.

I was wondering what was happening when someone rode up with the idiot biker who struck me. Apparently he had regained consciousness his right cheekbone was scraped raw and swollen three time it's normal size.

They were all chanting "treat him" and were becoming agitated. TJ tried to explain that this hopeless guy had struck me from behind, but the more he explained, the more agitated they became. One of them who could speak English said I fvcked up. Ha, fvcked up how? He answered that after I caused the accident the least I could do was to stay behind to see if he recovered. Ha, aye mi o! How did I cause the accident? He answered that I caused it when I was "trying to cross the road".

Jesus Christ... undecided undecided undecided undecided undecided embarassed

Ha, cross the road to where?? To go and dance Alingo on top of the double parked trailers on their way to drop empty containers at the terminal? huh undecided I was heading to the ATM with this guy (I was pointing at TJ) when your brother came with his unfortunate self to jam me. undecided undecided

Then it dawned on me. None of the members of this motley mob of stark illiterate bikers were present at the collision, but they were already cooking up strange and satanic stories in allegiance with their comrade. Demonic accusations were flying around, the strangest of them being that I 'pushed' the idiot biker and he fell. undecided

One of my staff members who happened to the passing by came down from the vehicle he was escorting and jumped into the middle of the crowd. He told them to stop pushing me. Instantly a set of hooligans pounced on him and gave him hot chase down the extremely slopy side of Coconut bridge. These people seemed volatile and were ready to unleash violence. The boy ran to the shop of one of the eastern traders to report the incident. The trader, an elderly gentleman came, and after hearing my own side of this ridiculous matter whispered to me that there is trouble in Nigeria, and that haven't i noticed how 'they' have practically overrun all sectors of the economy, and in Lagos state as a whole? Didn't i know they have an agenda?

He advised that for my own safety and for peace to reign, I should just take the rider to the clinic. Another eastern gentleman who had left his shop to come and investigate this furor centered around an angry, wild haired, bespectacled and furiously gesticulating lady concurred.
sorry for your experience but from your words you are using the behaviour of some stack illiterates to judge the whole tribe and i can tell you most of those doing okada in lagos are nigeriens not nigerians.
meanwhile i sense some build up hatred for the northeners in your write up
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by Blakjewelry(m): 3:21pm On Nov 15, 2019
Ishilove:
An industry colleague told me that such rubbish could never have happened in other areas of Apapa dominated by South-Westerners. He said when they start misbehaving, "those Yoruba boys will start reformatting their brains with slaps". End quote. Another said in places like computer village, they Easterners would have beaten them to a pulp if they pulled that kind of idiocy on an innocent person.

One Nigeria is a mirage, and it's going to get worse.
welcome to Nigeria, one Nigeria is just a tool to an end
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by Efewestern: 3:30pm On Nov 15, 2019
Ishilove:
I was advised by the doctor that for peace to reign, I should just treat him and take it as a sacrifice for the 'Mber' month. He charged me 10k, but I was to give the bike people 2k out of the money.

I went to the ATM, withdrew the amount and gave everything to the Doctor. God forbid i dignify those people by addressing them directly.

I collected the receipt and walked out of the clinic. On my way out, i favoured them with the most disdainful look I could muster, hissed at them and walked away.

My heart is full of anger, but I know, Dear Reader, that you know exactly what will come out of my fingers if I really give vent to what is in my mind about these northern bikers that flood Lagos on a weekly basis in cover body trucks, armed with nothing but the clothes on their backs and Yamaha bikes. They have this herd mentality that begs the question-"even if you no go school, shey you no get common sense?" It is still this same mentality that causes religious lynching in the northern part of the country. A rumour goes round and without any kind of investigation, they pounce on the hapless victim.

Let me stop here before I run afoul of Rule 2, but l will drop a word of caution to my fellow Nairalanders of northern extraction- MAKE A CHANGE IN YOUR INDIGENOUS STATES. What I witnessed today made me understand for the first time why a lot of northerners are very vulnerable to extremist ideologies and conditioning. Many of these people have been so completely starved of even the most basic enlightenment that it seems like they are now incapable of rational thought, and as a result act like the Missing Link.

Perhaps basic education will curtail the menace and complete nuisance so many of them constitute when they migrate to other states.
I was angry reading your story, worst is,some aren't even Nigerians, Sad we share the same country with these lots. I also noticed how they flooded Warri of late with bikes.

Who else noticed they don't bring development to anywhere they migrate to?
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by abbatoir(m): 3:37pm On Nov 15, 2019
Hmmm
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by Efewestern: 3:40pm On Nov 15, 2019
Nowenuse come and see something.
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by alexmakaay(m): 3:48pm On Nov 15, 2019
Ishilove:
I was advised by the doctor that for peace to reign, I should just treat him and take it as a sacrifice for the 'Mber' month. He charged me 10k, but I was to give the bike people 2k out of the money.

I went to the ATM, withdrew the amount and gave everything to the Doctor. God forbid i dignify those people by addressing them directly.

I collected the receipt and walked out of the clinic. On my way out, i favoured them with the most disdainful look I could muster, hissed at them and walked away.

My heart is full of anger, but I know, Dear Reader, that you know exactly what will come out of my fingers if I really give vent to what is in my mind about these northern bikers that flood Lagos on a weekly basis in cover body trucks, armed with nothing but the clothes on their backs and Yamaha bikes. They have this herd mentality that begs the question-"even if you no go school, shey you no get common sense?" It is still this same mentality that causes religious lynching in the northern part of the country. A rumour goes round and without any kind of investigation, they pounce on the hapless victim.

Let me stop here before I run afoul of Rule 2, but l will drop a word of caution to my fellow Nairalanders of northern extraction- MAKE A CHANGE IN YOUR INDIGENOUS STATES. What I witnessed today made me understand for the first time why a lot of northerners are very vulnerable to extremist ideologies and conditioning. Many of these people have been so completely starved of even the most basic enlightenment that it seems like they are now incapable of rational thought, and as a result act like the Missing Link.

Perhaps basic education will curtail the menace and complete nuisance so many of them constitute when they migrate to other states.
my dear, I lived in Abuja precisely kubwa express.. then I use to enter dei dei building materials to make some side trade. All you narrated about our northern brothers are all true.. BUT I WILL DISAPOINT YOU BY TELLING YOU THE SIMPLE TRUTH: IT IS NOT HUMANE TO LEAVE AN ACCIDENT SCENE OF WHICH YOU TOO WERE INVOLVED, ESPECIALLY THE FACT THAT YOU WERE NOT HARMED. YOU SHOULD HAVE SHOW GRATITUDE TO YOUR MAKER BY TAKING THE POOR DUDE TO A NEARBY CLINIC. ..AND SAVE YOURSELF FROM THE EMBARRASSMENT THAT ENSUED.

Let's just put the blame on anger issues. but learn from this.
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by Waspy(m): 3:51pm On Nov 15, 2019
I was boiling based on an issue I had with an Okada rider today.

Now, login into Nairaland... almost a similar story.

Sanity is dead in Nigeria and the early we realize that the better
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by AngelicBeing: 3:55pm On Nov 15, 2019
Chai, very unfortunate situation to the Op , Nigeria is sitting on a keg of gunpowder, if I talk wetin dey my mind now, they will call me names, how can a victim become an accused? Nigeria don cast, I saw this long time ago and took appropriate steps for my life, zombies are busy clapping hands for a useless government that has divided the country along ethnic and tribal lines, nonsense angry
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by Martinez39(m): 4:28pm On Nov 15, 2019
maasoap:
She didn't realise that that wasn't specific to any tribe, just mob mentality that many Nigerians have, from the north to the east to the west. That's why I'm always standing against jungle justice if the suspect is "guilty". She was pronounced guilty in this case. Many that didn't witness the accident would have been made to believe that she was guilty as charged if she had been physically attacked (remember that she wasn't not physically attacked because she is not a man)
Exactly! It's not just any tribe. It's a human thing. Even in the United States of America, any rape allegation that doesn't even have evidence invariably incites social media mob against the accused. Even when it's proven that you are innocent, the dark cloud still hovers over your head and certain people seriously still take you as a rapist. A rape allegation, true or false, is just enough to destroy a man in the USA and other developed countries.

CASE ONE
Recently, a YouTuber called Zoe Quinn accused a man, her ex-boyfriend, named Alec Holowka of sexual abusing her. White knights and other #metoo maggots converged into a social media mob to malign Alec. Alec was sacked from his place of work even though the allegations had no evidence. Alec Holowka, a mentally ill individual who had been a victim of abuse, committed suicide. It was later discovered that she lied, her story was inconsistent with the facts, and she deleted her twitter account in order to obliterate many incriminating tweets. What happened to her? NOTHING.

CASE TWO
A YouTuber named ProJared was accused by his wife, Heidi O’Ferrall, of cheating and soliciting nude photos from minors, claims which she backed up with false proof. Heidi was later shown to be lying but the damage was done. ProJared was maligned by everyone and lost over 400,000 subscribers. It happened that Heidi and ProJared were in an open relationship (a fact which Heidi omitted) and the nudes were exchanged with consenting adults. What happened to Heidi? NOTHING! In fact, she is now playing the victim.

Recently, a group of Americans planned to Area 51 after falling for some conspiracy theory. I don't think they did. I didn't follow the news.



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Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by Xisnin(m): 4:28pm On Nov 15, 2019
LegendHero:
Sorry OP for what happened to you.

But I think you’re profiling those guys here and looking at this through an ethnic biased mindset.

It’s a normal thing for Okada drivers and Taxi drivers to rally around and support themselves irrespective of whether their members are right or wrong. It’s not unique to any tribe or religious association.

Either they are Yorubas, Igbos, or Hausa, most of them will always toe the path of their member because they know if it’s their turn tomorrow those guys will show the same solidarity.

While I agree with you that some of the okada northerners are hostile, on drugs, and most times dogmatic such that they don’t like shifting ground, I can also tell you there are some that are friendly, down to earth, and truthful.

If it had happened in the East, with an Hausa man in your situation surrounded by Igbo Okada riders, what do you think would have happened? In all honesty, don’t you think they will toe the same path?
You are partly right.
However, the problem here is not that the Okada men support themselves, it is that
they are ready to follow it up with violence if their wishes are not met even when they
are completely wrong.

I see this more as a problem caused by illiteracy.
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by Xisnin(m): 4:34pm On Nov 15, 2019
Hofbrauhaus:
I hope i understood you well...Somebody hit you and lay unconscious on the ground and you left him there? You didn't even go to check on him to confirm if he is dead or dying? Did he hit you on purpose? No, it was an accident. A good Christian would have at least checked on him.
LegendHero:
Sorry OP for what happened to you.

But I think you’re profiling those guys here and looking at this through an ethnic biased mindset.

It’s a normal thing for Okada drivers and Taxi drivers to rally around and support themselves irrespective of whether their members are right or wrong. It’s not unique to any tribe or religious association.

Either they are Yorubas, Igbos, or Hausa, most of them will always toe the path of their member because they know if it’s their turn tomorrow those guys will show the same solidarity.

While I agree with you that some of the okada northerners are hostile, on drugs, and most times dogmatic such that they don’t like shifting ground, I can also tell you there are some that are friendly, down to earth, and truthful.

If it had happened in the East, with an Hausa man in your situation surrounded by Igbo Okada riders, what do you think would have happened? In all honesty, don’t you think they will toe the same path?
See them blaming the victim as usual.
This is not a hit and run. An irresponsible biker caused an accident in which he got seriously injured.
It happened in broad daylight with the as a witness.

If his brothers who are ready to kill for him can't help him, why should the victim?

The only mistake she made was getting up on time.
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by Nobody: 4:53pm On Nov 15, 2019
Ishilove Hi! Accept my sincere sympathy.

And I hope you're fine. I hope no internal bleeding or any complication you encountered or noticed later.

And I advise you to Please, try to avoid that area. I know you are somewhat troublesome grin and you may be like "What are they gonna do?" But please try to avoid the area for your safety.

It's appalling our people gave turned like this, giving Islam bad impression.

The Prophet peace be upon once saw the dead body of a Muslim in the land of the Jews but asked his companions not to take action since there was no evidence against anyone. He even paid the blood money of that dead person (which is 100 camels) to the family of the dead from the wealth of the Muslims even though the dead body was found in the land of Jews.

how could that nonsense act be Islamic?

Anyways, sorry once again and take care.
Re: When Sanity, Logic And Common Sense Come Under Attack by Octopusssy(f): 4:58pm On Nov 15, 2019
Hian
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