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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Curtisaxel7(m): 1:30pm On Nov 28, 2019
safarigirl:


What makes sense to you, is subjective. I am not religious, it makes sense to me and I don't need to explain what I mean to someone on the internet, and I will honestly never be able to explain it to anyone.

Liberal Christian seems like a stretch to me, what exactly is a liberal Christian?

I'm a moralist, but not religious.

If you are "not religious", that would mean you do not belong to any religion. And that would automatically make you an atheist. You either believe in the existence of a God or gods, or you don't (unless you're agnostic). If you do believe in God(s), then you are religious, if you don't, then you're an atheist. It's that simple. It totally possible to be an atheist and also have moral standards.

A " liberal Christian " is one who forms his worldview based on a flexible interpretation of the Bible to accommodate social and scientific trends rather than on rigid biblical commandments. For example, Liberal Christians may support gay marriage rights, feminism, evolution e.t.c though these are in direct contradiction with the Bible.


P.S: I realize your religious beliefs is your personal business and I would totally understand if you choose not to further this discussion. I'm just curious that is all.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Blueelf: 1:32pm On Nov 28, 2019
tbaba1234:
Nigeria was 63rd in the world and 10th in Africa when Rohr was hired.

Nigeria is now 31st in the world and 3rd in Africa. We would be higher if Imama could coach.

Nigeria had failed to qualify for 2 AFCONs back to back.

We are now qualifying for tournaments with ease.

Westerhof became Nigeria's coach in 1989, his first trophy was in 1994 and he inherited a team that had just won the AFCON silver in 1988.

Rohr's side is starting to peak. The team is only Nigerian team on the rise. Let us not destroy the momentum. We saw how other national teams performed this year.

Gbam. If only we could get this to the ears of the Sport's minister or NFF technical committee

Letting Rohr go means we would start from square one

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 1:32pm On Nov 28, 2019
NFF must allow Rohr continue with his job. This is the worst time to rock the ship. A new coach starts to invite his own players and destroys what has been achieved.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 1:38pm On Nov 28, 2019
Many of us know more about Nigeria players than some of the local coaches. Employ them and expect to see the likes of Nwakali who has not played club football in more than a year and Iheanacho who is struggling for game time back in the team.

We will start to see more inexplicable invites and wonder how they made the team.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:39pm On Nov 28, 2019
no he must be sacked, amunike should be super eagles next coach angry
tbaba1234:
Nigeria was 63rd in the world and 10th in Africa when Rohr was hired.

Nigeria is now 31st in the world and 3rd in Africa. We would be higher if Imama could coach.

Nigeria had failed to qualify for 2 AFCONs back to back.

We are now qualifying for tournaments with ease.

Westerhof became Nigeria's coach in 1989, his first trophy was in 1994 and he inherited a team that had just won the AFCON silver in 1988.

Rohr's side is starting to peak. The team is only Nigerian team on the rise. Let us not destroy the momentum. We saw how other national teams performed this year.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 1:41pm On Nov 28, 2019
SE move from 35th to 31st in FIFA rankings

2 more victories to enter 30th place

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:41pm On Nov 28, 2019
wink
tbaba1234:
Many of us know about Nigeria players than some of the local coaches. Employ them and expect to see the likes of Nwakali who has not played club football in more than a year and Iheanacho who is struggling for game time back in the team.

We will start to see more inexplicable invites and wonder how they made the team.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 1:46pm On Nov 28, 2019
charlesemeka85:
The Super Eagles of Nigeria have moved up the ladder in the latest FIFA Ranking for the month of October released by the world soccer governing body earlier today.

Nigeria moved from 35th position to 31st in the world moving up by four places thanks largely to the back to back AFCON 2021 Qualifiers win. Nigeria defeated Benin Republic 2-1 before seeing off Lesotho 4-2 and both wins have catapulted them to their placement in years.

However the country is still third in Africa behind Senegal who are the highest ranked African nation in placed 20th in the world and Tunisia who are 27th in the global ranking with African Champions Algeria rated below Nigeria in 35th position.

Morocco is ranked 43rd in the world and fifth in Africa with Ghana the sixth best placed Africa nation as they are ranked 47th in the world. Egypt in 51 position, Cameroon in 53rd, Mali in 56th position alongside Congo DR completes the list of top ten ranked African countries.

Globally, Belgium still remained the number one team in the world with World champions France in second position. Brazil, England and Uruguay complete the list of top five ranked football nations by FIFA for October.

Algeria still ranks below Tunisia

How does this thing even work?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 1:47pm On Nov 28, 2019
chrisooblog:
have we really? the african especially the nigerian still does things that if a foreign invader from europe or asia wanted to attack your country they wouldn't need to lift a finger. people wilfully sabotaging your countries economy, acting as local fronts/spies for other countries enforcing laws that degrade humiliate your citizens list is endless



"" the african especially the nigerian still does things that if a foreign invader from europe or asia wanted to attack your country they wouldn't need to lift a finger. people wilfully sabotaging your countries economy, acting as local fronts/spies""

A human behaviour, not a Nigerian or African behaviour
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 1:47pm On Nov 28, 2019
We see how money selection has permeated through all the national teams. It would be a disaster if we give the super eagles back to agents who just want their players in the team so they can sell them. Many of the people who want Rohr gone have selfish ambitions.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 1:48pm On Nov 28, 2019
tbaba1234:
Nigeria was 63rd in the world and 10th in Africa when Rohr was hired.

Nigeria is now 31st in the world and 3rd in Africa. We would be higher if Imama could coach.

Nigeria had failed to qualify for 2 AFCONs back to back.

We are now qualifying for tournaments with ease.

Westerhof became Nigeria's coach in 1989, his first trophy was in 1994 and he inherited a team that had just won the AFCON silver in 1988.

Rohr's side is starting to peak. The team is only Nigerian team on the rise. Let us not destroy the momentum. We saw how other national teams performed this year.
You forgot to add that in 90 westerHoff won silver with a team no one gave a chance as most of the 88 team pulled out for whatever reasons. And yes Rohr should be retained if possible.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 1:50pm On Nov 28, 2019
Curtisaxel7:


If you are "not religious", that would mean you do not belong to any religion. And that would automatically make you an atheist. You either believe in the existence of a God or gods, or you don't (unless you're agnostic). If you do believe in God(s), then you are religious, if you don't, then you're an atheist. It's that simple. It totally possible to be an atheist and also have moral standards.

A " liberal Christian " is one who forms his worldview based on a flexible interpretation of the Bible to accommodate social and scientific trends rather than on rigid biblical commandments. For example, Liberal Christians may support gay marriage rights, feminism, evolution e.t.c though these are in direct contradiction with the Bible.


P.S: I realize your religious beliefs is your personal business and I would totally understand if you choose not to further this discussion. I'm just curious that is all.
I already told you before that when I say "I am not religious" I mean "I am not a fanatic"

I Told you what I meant by it, but you want me to change the English to how you will understand it. I am not mandated to tell it to you as you want it, but as I see it and as it pertains to me.

And learn the difference. I am not religious, at best, would be, I am agnostic. An agnostic believes in God, but does not believe in the religions like Christianity and such, not to be mistaken for an Atheist, who does not believe in God at all.

I like plenty talk, but I hate when people want me to go round a circle or want to corner me to say things as they want.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 1:51pm On Nov 28, 2019
If Pinnick's NFF decide to let Rohr go then a quality replacement who has integrity must be brought in. I can not even trust the NFF to do that going by their coach choices in other national teams.

Imama, Aigbogun and Manu still have jobs.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 1:52pm On Nov 28, 2019
Taliban:

You forgot to add that in 90 westerHoff won silver with a team no one gave a chance as most of the 88 team pulled out for whatever reasons. And yes Rohr should be retained if possible.

I am aware of that but that is not my point..
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 1:54pm On Nov 28, 2019
forgiveness:


And you and the millions are still writing in Queens language?

Who are the owners of Nigeria? Why don't you learn from the Algerians and Ethiopians, instead of insisting on ownership of Nigeria that doesn't exist?

Nigeria exists.

U live in it.

It belongs to the west.

Kalas

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 2:00pm On Nov 28, 2019
tbaba1234:


I am aware of that but that is not my point..

My point too is that your write up makes it seem Westerhoff inherited a great team in 89 and didn't achieve anything worthwhile until 94 which could also not reveal a full picture.

Anyway Happy Thanksgiving sir.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Curtisaxel7(m): 2:05pm On Nov 28, 2019
safarigirl:
I already told you before that when I say "I am not religious" I mean "I am not a fanatic"

I Told you what I meant by it, but you want me to change the English to how you will understand it. I am not mandated to tell it to you as you want it, but as I see it and as it pertains to me.

And learn the difference. I am not religious, at best, would be, I am agnostic. An agnostic believes in God, but does not believe in the religions like Christianity and such, not to be mistaken for an Atheist, who does not believe in God at all.

I like plenty talk, but I hate when people want me to go round a circle or want to corner me to say things as they want.


You should've just said you're agnostic at first nagrin. That would've explained it all.

But anyway, like I said before, it's your personal business and you owe me no explanation. No vex, na just small social research I dey do so.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 2:06pm On Nov 28, 2019
Taliban:


My point too is that your write up makes it seem Westerhoff inherited a great team in 89 and didn't achieve anything worthwhile until 94 which could also not reveal a full picture.

Anyway Happy Thanksgiving sir.

Thank you sir..
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 2:09pm On Nov 28, 2019
jieta:
i just can't wait to see Nigeria in top 20
It will take time but we need to be consistent
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 2:10pm On Nov 28, 2019
that why the so called football enthusiast and media are bent on spewing propaganda just to get him sacked because if they re truly lovers of the national team they won't allow their selfish intents blind them from the progress the team have made so far since coming of rohr.


Building a national team takes time, it begins with trial and errors until the right tactics and players are mastered and groomed to understand each other. it took westahof 4 years to put together the most successful team we have ever had that went on to qualify for their first world cup outing, winning the afcon and ranked fifth by fifa in the whole world.

Rohr has his flaws and short coming but with the work he has done so far with the team which is positive it will be disastrous to let him leave.

from his statement so far he wish to continue with the team but demands that his contractual agreement with the nff must be respected in terms of payment of his allowances and wages while the nff as well invite him for talks on renewing his contract. if truly rohr wish to abandon a team he nurtured from scratch to one of the best in the continent currently he would have left immediately after the afcon.


tbaba1234:
We see how money selection has permeated through all the national teams. It would be a disaster if we give the super eagles back to agents who just want their players in the team so they can sell them. Many of the people who want Rohr gone have selfish ambitions.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 2:13pm On Nov 28, 2019
good coaches don't come cheap. rohr was a gamble that worked for the nff so far so it will be ignorant of them to let him leave.
tbaba1234:
If Pinnick's NFF decide to let Rohr go then a quality replacement who has integrity must be brought in. I can not even trust the NFF to do that going by their coach choices in other national teams.

Imama, Aigbogun and Manu still have jobs.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 2:18pm On Nov 28, 2019
charlesemeka85:
good coaches don't come cheap. rohr was a gamble that worked for the nff so far so it will be ignorant of them to let him leave.

They are trying their best to get rid of him. I am scared of what comes next.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 2:19pm On Nov 28, 2019
i just hope pinnick and his cohorts renew his contract with new clauses and targets. a mandate to rohr to at least take the team to the next afcon finals and 2nd round stage at the 2022 world cup. with the progress of the team so far coupled with talented young players in his disposal i believe this targets are reachable.

it makes no sense letting him leave and at the same time running off to europe to get another coach who the nff will still default in paying his wages and bonuses. for now let's make do with what we have and can afford

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 2:21pm On Nov 28, 2019
PrecisionFx:


Nigeria exists.

U live in it.

It belongs to the west.

Kalas

Of course, it exists but it belongs to the west according to African's slavery mentality.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 2:21pm On Nov 28, 2019
the pressure is more from the nff technical committee,media and agents. pinnick knows the truth and left for him he will renew rohr's contract but the bad elements are forcing and pushing him so hard to let the German leave.



tbaba1234:


They are trying their best to get rid of him. I am scared of what comes next.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 2:26pm On Nov 28, 2019
human yes but ours is on another level

PrecisionFx:



"" the african especially the nigerian still does things that if a foreign invader from europe or asia wanted to attack your country they wouldn't need to lift a finger. people wilfully sabotaging your countries economy, acting as local fronts/spies""

A human behaviour, not a Nigerian or African behaviour
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 2:44pm On Nov 28, 2019
tbaba1234:


They are trying their best to get rid of him. I am scared of what comes next.

I hope Rohr himself wants to stay cos he's being frustrated a lot. Owing him months of salaries and trying to bully him as well, very toxic work environment for him to be honest, all for what? I won't be shocked if he moves to like a Morocco or another country to be honest.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 2:47pm On Nov 28, 2019
i believe his contract will be renewed
tbaba1234:


They are trying their best to get rid of him. I am scared of what comes next.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 2:50pm On Nov 28, 2019
your second paragraph is the heart of the matter. even in club football where their is less patience especially with top sides club owners (who are not perez of real madrid lol) are wary of getting rid of coaches just because they haven't won a trophy especially when they see progress in quality of team play and results. progress which you rightly said could eventually lead to trophies. examples of this abound joachim loew gradually built the germans from 2006 until they peaked in 2014. liverpool under kloop, man city under pep.

you will also notice that such club owners don't hesitate to sack such managers when they see a drastic drop in quality of team play and results even if the coach won a trophy the previous season. that's why raneiri, di matteo and even our legend late stephen keshi got the axe because their teams were showing decline in output.

with rohr i'm seeing steady progress and improvement. people might argue that he is just a klismann or luis aragones type to act as a bridge before a better fit comes in but with the current nff's poor record of choosing adequate coaches i concur with you that we stick to the bird in hand for now

charlesemeka85:
that why the so called football enthusiast and media are bent on spewing propaganda just to get him sacked because if they re truly lovers of the national team they won't allow their selfish intents blind them from the progress the team have made so far since coming of rohr.


Building a national team takes time, it begins with trial and errors until the right tactics and players are mastered and groomed to understand each other. it took westahof 4 years to put together the most successful team we have ever had that went on to qualify for their first world cup outing, winning the afcon and ranked fifth by fifa in the whole world.

Rohr has his flaws and short coming but with the work he has done so far with the team which is positive so far it will be disastrous to let him leave.

from his statement so far he wish to continue with the team but demands that his contractual agreement with the nff must be respected in terms of payment of his allowances and wages while the nff as well invite him for talks on renewing his contract. if truly rohr wish to abandon a team he nurtured from scratch to one of the best in the continent currently he would have left immediately after the afcon.


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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 3:24pm On Nov 28, 2019
the problem with alot of 9ja super eagles fans both here and the outside world is that arrogant belief that we are still the best in africa and deserve to win any competition in the continent without putting into consideration that as we prepare and work to get better so are other footballing nations work to improve a well in the continent

many here hate rohr just because he couldn't win the afcon and make it pass the group stage at the last world but failed to remember the state of the team when the german was brought in.

before you count to 2 you must start from 1, literally what i am trying to say is that rohr and his team were able to make it to the afcon and finished 3rd in a competition that had 24 teams unlike previous editions where just 16 teams competed after missing back to back editions, qualified for the world cup with a game spare from a group that had Cameroon,Algeria and Zambia. the mentioned achievement were the target given to him by the nff when he was signed and he obviously met all without much stress.

another good observation is the team's continuous growth,togetherness and understanding in their style of play judging by the fact that they play more as a unit now with better cohesion and team chemistry. also players are invited on merit and the German doesn't hesitate to drop any player who's level of performance reduces or not active at their respective clubs. this in essence makes the players to sit up for them to remain relevant the rohr, even those who see less playing time in their clubs leave to clubs where they will play more in in order to get back to reckoning in the national team.

letting rohr leave is likely to disrupt all this because its likely that the next coach will try to imbibe his philosophy on the players which may take time for them to absorb



chrisooblog:
your second paragraph is the heart of the matter. even in club football where their is less patience especially with top sides club owners (who are not perez of real madrid lol) are wary of getting rid of coaches just because they haven't won a trophy especially when they see progress in quality of team play and results. progress which you rightly said could eventually lead to trophies. examples of this abound joachim loew gradually built the germans from 2006 until they peaked in 2014. liverpool under kloop, man city under pep.

you will also notice that such club owners don't hesitate to sack such managers when they see a drastic drop in quality of team play and results even if the coach won a trophy the previous season. that's why raneiri, di matteo and even our legend late stephen keshi got the axe because their teams were showing decline in output.

with rohr i'm seeing steady progress and improvement. people might argue that he is just a klismann or luis aragones type to act as a bridge before a better fit comes in but with the current nff's poor record of choosing adequate coaches i concur with you that we stick to the bird in hand for now

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 3:28pm On Nov 28, 2019
tbaba1234:
Nigeria was 63rd in the world and 10th in Africa when Rohr was hired.

Nigeria is now 31st in the world and 3rd in Africa. We would be higher if Imama could coach.

Nigeria had failed to qualify for 2 AFCONs back to back.

We are now qualifying for tournaments with ease.

Westerhof became Nigeria's coach in 1989, his first trophy was in 1994 and he inherited a team that had just won the AFCON silver in 1988.

Rohr's side is starting to peak. The team is only Nigerian team on the rise. Let us not destroy the momentum. We saw how other national teams performed this year.
'We have world class players, Rhor is holding them back he needs to free them so we can be beating teams by 5 goals minimum. If only Rhor played attacking football we'd have been world and African champion by now' grin grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 3:29pm On Nov 28, 2019
cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
jihday:
'We have world class players, Rhor is holding them back he needs to free them so we can be beating teams by 5 goals minimum. If only Rhor played attacking football we'd have been world and African champion by now' grin grin

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