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GoodBadandUgly:
EVERYTHING AROUND US IS TRYING TO KILL US, WE JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE SUCH A SHORT LIFESPAN SO IT DOESNT EVEN MATTER TO THE UNIVERSE. WE ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO A BLINK OF AN EYE TO THE UNIVERSE.

gensteejay:
This is my own take on this issue:

1. For starters, I'm neither a religionist nor an atheist but don't deny there is Universal Intelligence/God.

2. I feel God Almighty has nothing to do with religions. Religions are man-made, and the gods of religions were great ancient beings deified by people of their time, with those beliefs passed down from generations to generations.

3. I see God Almighty as the totality of existence. Anybody that's science-savvy knows that it's the way of the science to find summation of things, commonly represented with Greek letter sigma (upper case). Hence, the terms, "totality of consciousness", "totality of existence", shouldn't seem absurd.

4. No one can deny existence, and it's possible for an entity to exist, not bounded by time and space. Hence, the saying God has no beginning and end.

5. Humans, animals, plants, all conscious entities (micro or macro) are all parts of God. In essence, each soul is a god.

6. God Almighty isn't a sky daddy seeking worship or prayers. Love of worship and prayers is an attribute of man.

7. We're the ones that create this reality; we're the co-creators of our own reality (a minute part of God in action).

8. Almighty God, the totality of existence, hasn't created hell fire for anyone. The universe comprises cycles of births, deaths, and rebirths.

9. Ultimately, every conscious entity will reunite with God Almighty after many lives and return to their initial state, not bound by time and space. That state is what is called by many names in religions — Heaven, Janat, Nirvana, Valhalla, etc. The heaven version in religions has been corrupted as a place only meant for devotees of a particular religion.

10. Ours is a mysterious world; what's discovered pales in comparison with things not discovered yet; for instance, many scientists say much of the reality in the universe we see and know is only a small part of the real components of the universe. The majority (around 86%) is composed of dark matter and dark energy, little of which is known by today's science.

11. I have come up with my own opinion using inductive reasoning and intuition and of course reading various books in philosophy, science, and esoteric literature.

Hismasterpiece:
Do you believe in the unseen? Like spirits, for example.

gensteejay:
Life is a projected reality. At our very core, everyone is a spirit.

That's our essence, powering this shell or vessel we call the body.

The soul and spirit are a continuum, and it's the former that leaves the body at death to continue its evolution in this world or other worlds.

Hismasterpiece:
At least you got one thing right. Yes we are all spirits, have souls and live in bodies.

But you're wrong to think that when the spirit leaves the body it continues evolution in other worlds.

When the spirit leaves the body it is either headed to one of the two places, heaven or hell, depending on whether or not that person believed in Jesus the Messiah.

gensteejay:
So says a Yahweh slave. Not expecting wisdom from a slave anyway.

Hismasterpiece:
You call me a slave for my conviction, would I be politically correct to call you the same for yours?

GoodBadandUgly:
If nobody is smart enough to figure God out then why bother? He clearly doesn't care or want to be bothered.

Hismasterpiece:
At least you got one thing right. Yes we are all spirits, have souls and live in bodies.

But you're wrong to think that when the spirit leaves the body it continues evolution in other worlds.

When the spirit leaves the body it is either headed to one of the two places, heaven or hell, depending on whether or not that person believed in Jesus the Messiah.

Hismasterpiece:
The reason for this is the fall of man. When Adam sinned against God, he yielded his God-given authority to Satan, who then became the god of this world.

All through the world his attributes are clearly seen: immorality, wickedness, evil, etc. Why do you think bad things are more popular than good things? Why do you thing someone will rather kill someone to make money than work for it?

According to God's Word, there is an evil spirit at work in all unbelievers. And that makes sense, because when man fell he lost his godly nature and assumed the devil's nature.

God made us to live forever in this world and in heaven, but ever since man's fall, man's life span has been reducing consistently, from about 930 years to currently 70 - 90 years.

Everything around us is trying to kill us because the god of this world (Satan) has made it so. All these diseases and bad stuff are a part of his influence over this world.

Hismasterpiece:
At least you got one thing right. Yes we are all spirits, have souls and live in bodies.

But you're wrong to think that when the spirit leaves the body it continues evolution in other worlds.

When the spirit leaves the body it is either headed to one of the two places, heaven or hell, depending on whether or not that person believed in Jesus the Messiah.

gensteejay:
This is my own take on this issue:

1. For starters, I'm neither a religionist nor an atheist but don't deny there is Universal Intelligence/God.

2. I feel God Almighty has nothing to do with religions. Religions are man-made, and the gods of religions were great ancient beings deified by people of their time, with those beliefs passed down from generations to generations.

3. I see God Almighty as the totality of existence. Anybody that's science-savvy knows that it's the way of the science to find summation of things, commonly represented with Greek letter sigma (upper case). Hence, the terms, "totality of consciousness", "totality of existence", shouldn't seem absurd.

4. No one can deny existence, and it's possible for an entity to exist, not bounded by time and space. Hence, the saying God has no beginning and end.

5. Humans, animals, plants, all conscious entities (micro or macro) are all parts of God. In essence, each soul is a god.

6. God Almighty isn't a sky daddy seeking worship or prayers. Love of worship and prayers is an attribute of man.

7. We're the ones that create this reality; we're the co-creators of our own reality (a minute part of God in action).

8. Almighty God, the totality of existence, hasn't created hell fire for anyone. The universe comprises cycles of births, deaths, and rebirths.

9. Ultimately, every conscious entity will reunite with God Almighty after many lives and return to their initial state, not bound by time and space. That state is what is called by many names in religions — Heaven, Janat, Nirvana, Valhalla, etc. The heaven version in religions has been corrupted as a place only meant for devotees of a particular religion.

10. Ours is a mysterious world; what's discovered pales in comparison with things not discovered yet; for instance, many scientists say much of the reality in the universe we see and know is only a small part of the real components of the universe. The majority (around 86%) is composed of dark matter and dark energy, little of which is known by today's science.

11. I have come up with my own opinion using inductive reasoning and intuition and of course reading various books in philosophy, science, and esoteric literature.

GoodBadandUgly:
Unless you have evidence to demonstrate the following then your talking nonsense. You speak with such a conviction for something you have never experienced.
You do know religions existed 1000s of years before yours?
You do know different religions have different heavens and hells?
You do know they also have heroes and villains?
You do know there's no documentation of humans ever living up to 930 years except in your storybook?
In fact human life span is longer in modern times but 1000s of years ago it was 20-30 years because of decreased safety and lack of developed medicine.

don't be so selfish to think an imaginary creature is trying to kill us all. People die for all sorts of reasons, diseases is natural, disasters are natural, accidents are natural. If you put yourself in situations that decrease your safety then your more likely to get harmed, its simple probabilities.

When you drive a car on the road your putting your trust into strangers to have the same understanding of the road laws as you do. If you drive frequently then your probability of having an accident goes up compared to someone who doesn't drive but prefers to walks. Praying to a God to protect you from a car crash is not going to protect you from a car crash. You're better of increasing your SAFETY by taking precautions.

UnclePrincipal:
You talk with so much confidence but have you been to hell or heaven before?

There other religions that have their own theory of afterlife. The question is why do you think yours is the right one?

gensteejay:
All worshippers of a god are slaves of that god.

Hismasterpiece:
All other religions are the devil's handwork. There is only one true God, his name is Yahweh, and the only way to Him is through his son, Jesus the Messiah.

The truth is there is no way to prove the existence of heaven or hell, but I believe that because of the atonement of my Lord Jesus the Messiah, I will never taste hell, hallelujah!

But really though, haven't you ever given thought to where you will go after you die?

Hismasterpiece:
All other religions are the devil's handwork. There is only one true God, his name is Yahweh, and the only way to Him is through his son, Jesus the Messiah.

The truth is there is no way to prove the existence of heaven or hell, but I believe that because of the atonement of my Lord Jesus the Messiah, I will never taste hell, hallelujah!

But really though, haven't you ever given thought to where you will go after you die?

UnclePrincipal:
It's hopeless arguing with you. It's like talking to a wall.

UnclePrincipal:
It's typical of you Christian to blame devil for everything that doesn't conform with your beliefs but y'all have forgotten that your god takes credit for everything. Satan didn't create anything, did he?

Hismasterpiece:
FYI the devil is part of tpour beliefs. God is good. Satan is bad. Period.

Satan didn't create anything, God created him. God also gave him freewill just as he gave us humans and look what we've all done with it.

UnclePrincipal:
Isaiah 45:7

gensteejay:
If Christianity isn't a religion, what's it then?

Well...it's a business.

We all know the world's religions, one of which is Christianity, except deceitful folks.

Hismasterpiece:
Every original has a counterfeit, but in the end, there is only one original.

FYI Christianity is not a religion. The name Christianity was something that started during the days of the first church. Christianity is a relationship with God.

All other religions are fabrications of the devil. Even in Christianity he has been able to gain influence and produce all sorts of corrupt practices.

If you want people to question something's authenticity, all you have to do is create many counterfeit ones with similar characteristics to the original, and people will suddenly be confused as to which is true.

You believe diseases are natural, but I can tell you that they are not. All evil proceeds from one source, the devil. The very fact that you believe they are natural is because he has blinded you to the truth. Just because something can be explained naturally doesn't means its not from a spiritual source.

FYI God protects everyone, even those that don't ask for it. You woke up this morning because God preserved you. All day every day 24/7 365 days every year the devil and his angels are constantly working to cut your life short, but God protects you.

Christianity is the only belief system in this world that offers salvation from a loving God who lovingly allowed His Son to be the atoning sacrifice for the world's sins. This God is seeking to be known and desires to walk with everyone of us.

All religion offers is a way to appease an angry god who is pissed at you and so far away and so elusive, that you spend your whole life seeking him and finding nothing.

All these so-called gods in all the religions of the world are the devil and his demons.

Hismasterpiece:
FYI God protects everyone, even those that don't ask for it. You woke up this morning because God preserved you. All day every day 24/7 365 days every year the devil and his angels are constantly working to cut your life short, but God protects you.

Hismasterpiece:
If I make a gun to be used in killing animals and people choose to use it in killing themselves how am I to blame?

God created the devil, the devil turned away from God and freely chose to become evil. The same God that sent His Son to die for the sins of the whole world didn't create evil. If he did, he won't hate it so much.

God created man to be good but man freely chose to be evil. How is that God's fault?