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Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nobody: 7:17am On Dec 09, 2019
chrisxxx:
Bros please stop this nonsense. Your Ibo people were on a colonization drive against the Niger Deltans before the war. The Ikwerres had been suppressed and their identity almost changed. It was not only them. Your Ibo influences spread even to far away Calabar Area. Ibo language was taught compulsorily in school.
Your influence was not only felt in south but also in far away north and west.
The mistake of your overzealous tribe in engaging in war caused you people to lose all even your conquered territory Ikwerreland.
Bros please don't provoke Ikwerre people with this history please.
Story..

Just shut it Benin man.

Nobody colonize you...
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by OgaBuhari: 7:25am On Dec 09, 2019
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midnighter:
This is the only thing I have been saying here, so that means that we are actually in agreement.

Obowie o
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Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by OgaBuhari: 7:25am On Dec 09, 2019
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midnighter:
1. I never asserted that the phenomenon is restricted to Igbos.

2. Such phenomena occur among different ethnic groups for different reasons. So for you to single Igbos out for querying this issue in particular doesnt make any sense. If something happens concerning a tribe, the members of that tribe have the right to discuss and talk about it. The occurrence with the north, the Kogi Yoruba, the Arabs and Amazigh, the Arabs and Kurds have all happened for totally different reasons so saying that youre amazed and amused on that basis makes no particular sense.

3. Hausa language is a lingua franca in the north; those tribes have their own native language plus hausa language that they speak on top of it to make communication easier. Down here, English is the lingua franca; we bear English names and speak English to communicate with different tribes even though we have our own native languages so that example bears no relationship with what we are discussing here, like I was saying in point (2)

4. The bolded is exactly my point; we are not experiencing any Islamic hegemony down here, in fact Igbo people are marginalised the most so what is the relevance of that example huh

Unless youre trying to say that some Igbo people came and dominated Ikwerre people to the point where they couldnt remember their own language again then the example youre giving is totally irrelevant.
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Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by HopeAtHand:
Here we go again.

This Ikwerre is/isnt Igbo debate which has been condemned to perpetual arguing online is again tossed on the front burner, courtesy of a traditional title conferred on Wike.

As an Ikwerre, I'd say that there is a close relationship between the Igbo culture/Language and that of the Ikwerres. This is a result of the nature of interaction Ikwerres had with Igbo's and can be divided into the pre-colonial and colonial era.

In pre-colonial era, the interaction is usually attributed to factors chiefly being proximity, the settlement of large number of Aros within Ikwerre villages and communities and to a lesser extent, buying of slaves from Igbo hinterland. Let me at this point inform that Igbo's roughly outnumber Ikwerres 8 to 1. When a relatively smaller ethnicity settled close to a much larger one, they naturally run the risk of losing a good part of their language and culture to the much larger one, especially to a notoriously dominant ethnicity such as the Igbo. Ikwerres found themselves in that situation and continued with life.

Then in the colonial era, the British carved Nigeria into regions and Ikwerre was in Eastern region and Igbo as the major language was used in schools, hospitals, offices and churches and Ikwerres had no option but to learn. To give you an example, gather Igbo's and teach them Hausa in schools and use same language in churches and markets and hospitals for over 40yrs and see if you wouldn't effectively change their lives. The only adjustment th British made fo Ikwerres was introduction of Ikwerre Union Bible Bible in Churches for the Ikwerres to properly understand the word of God.

Now a certain poster Abagworo talked about sincerity in ironing out this Ikwerre/Igbo debate. on that point, I'd say Ikwerres have sincerely and stedfastly stated during colonial times that they aren't Igbo's. The British refused to listen, the British were more interested in cut-and-join administration of people. Yet, we vehemently rejected being called Igbo, we went to Willinks commission on minority ethnicities to present our case and also played actived roles for the formation of COR state. I am stating this for those who claimed Ikwerres were comfortable with being Igbo's before civil war. They can research the net and see how far we have come in our quest for distinct recognition.

We have no particular issues with Igbo's except our desire to be known as Ikwerres which w rightly are. That isn't a bad thing by any means.

We may now share same Language and Culture but our Origins ar different. And the difference In Origin also affect our difference in character as a people.

Please, Igbo's should disabuse thei minds of unnecessary sentiments and move on.

Peace.

cc: Pazienza, Osagyefo98, jimyjames et al.
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nobody: 8:55am On Dec 09, 2019
niaralandtopuser:
I am done with you guys tonight. You know you guys normally talks about some ss group betraying you guys during the Biafra war. I am looking forward to the day you will realize that those you love attaching to yourself don't care about you. You know Nigeria political situation is getting interesting with each passing day. I just hope you won't cry betrayal in the nearest future
Daft post.

This shows that this is really paining u.
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nobody: 8:57am On Dec 09, 2019
HopeAtHand:
Here we go again.

This Ikwerre is/isnt Igbo debate which has been condemned to perpetual arguing online is again tossed on the front burner, courtesy of a traditional title conferred on Wike.

As an Ikwerre, I'd say that there is a close relationship between the Igbo culture/Language and that of the Ikwerres. This is a result of the nature of interaction Ikwerres had with Igbo's and can be divided into the pre-colonial and colonial era.

In pre-colonial era, the interaction is usually attributed to factors chiefly being proximity, the settlement of large number of Aros within Ikwerre villages and communities and to a lesser extent, buying of slaves from Igbo hinterland. Let me at this point inform that Igbo's roughly outnumber Ikwerres 8 to 1. When a relatively smaller ethnicity settled close to a much larger one, they naturally run the risk of losing a good part of their language and culture to the much larger one, especially to a notoriously dominant ethnicity such as the Igbo. Ikwerres found themselves in that situation and continued with life.

Then in the colonial era, the British carved Nigeria into regions and Ikwerre was in Eastern region and Igbo as the major language was used in schools, hospitals, offices and churches and Ikwerres had no option but to learn. To give you an example, gather Igbo's and teach them Hausa in schools and use same language in churches and markets and hospitals for over 40yrs and see if you wouldn't effectively change their lives. The only adjustment th British made fo Ikwerres was introduction of Ikwerre Union Bible Bible in Churches for the Ikwerres to properly understand the word of God.

Now a certain poster Abagworo talked about sincerity in ironing out this Ikwerre/Igbo debate. on that point, I'd say Ikwerres have sincerely and stedfastly stated during colonial times that they aren't Igbo's. The British refused to listen, the British were more interested in cut-and-join administration of people. Yet, we vehemently rejected being called Igbo, we went to Willinks commission on minority ethnicities to present our case and also played actived roles for the formation of COR state. I am stating this for those who claimed Ikwerres were comfortable with being Igbo's before civil war. They can research the net and see how far we have come in our quest for distinct recognition.

We have no particular issues with Igbo's except our desire to be known as Ikwerres which w rightly are. That isn't a bad thing by any means.

We may now share same Language and Culture but our Origins ar different. And the difference In Origin also affect our difference in character as a people.

Please, Igbo's should disabuse thei minds of unnecessary sentiments and move on.

Peace.
Ikwerre is a tribe under the igbo ethnic group.

There are only 3 ethnic groups in Nigeria.

Do the math.








""I'd say Ikwerres have sincerely and stedfastly stated during colonial times that they aren't Igbo's""

Daft lie.
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by HopeAtHand: 9:12am On Dec 09, 2019
PrecisionFx:
Ikwerre is a tribe under the igbo ethnic group.

There are only 3 ethnic groups in Nigeria.

Do the math.








""I'd say Ikwerres have sincerely and stedfastly stated during colonial times that they aren't Igbo's""

Daft lie.
There are only 3 tribes in Nigeria shows how ill-educated you are. I don't have time for people with the quality of your education.
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by pazienza(m):
How exactly can someone compare the Northern minorities who were subjected under the Fulani Caliphate and forced to Use Hausa language , as Hausa was the ligua franca of The Fulani Caliphate in Nigeria with Ndiigbo ? Even most of the minorities in North still have their non Hausa related indigenous languages intact and only use Hausa language as a lingual fraca to communicate with each other.

Ndiigbo were never empire builders, we never at any point ruled over non Igbo speaking neighbors or imposed our language on them. Rather we had to deal with Igala invasion of Igbo groups from the North and Bini invasion Of Igbo groups from the West. We were the ones who had to deal with colonialism attempts of our Monarchical Bini and Igala neighbours, and not the other way round.

The Ikwerre claim the Igbo imposed the Igbo language they currently speak through colonialism during the Eastern region that lasted from 1938-1966, and was ruled by Igbos between 1960-66( just 6years), yet there are many documented colonial archives that shows that Ikwerre were already speaking the current Igbo language they speak when the first white man arrived Nigeria.

Moreover, Ikwerre are not the only minority groups surrounding Ndiigbo. We have native Igala, Kele and Idoma speakers within South East as we speak, Ndiigbo couldn't make them(just few villages) to abandon their Languages for Igbo language, how then could we have done that to Ikwerre with hundreds of villages, and all this without colonizing them? Not even the most powerful empire in modern history, the British empire, was able to make indigenous people of Africa, abandon their indigenous languages and adopt English as mother tongue, but the shameless Bini people of Ikwerre are claiming Ndiigbo made them dump Bini language for Igbo language.
English language has been the language of instruction in Nigerian schools since 1914, yet not a single Nigerian group has changed their indigenous language to English and no longer speak their own indigenous language. But this is exactly what the Bini people of Ikwerre are trying to insinuate Ndiigbo did to them. That Ndiigbo used Igbo language to teach in Ikwerre schools and that British missionaries used Igbo Christians and slaves to teach them bible, and that it was at that point that they stopped being Edoid speakers and became Igboid speakers.
They say this with bold face, even their intellectuals, when they know that there exists colonial archives of the language the Ikwrerre were speaking when the British arrived this shores, and it has always been their current Igboid one.

Ndiigbo have many other minorities in Eastern region . The Ogoni, Annang, Ibibio, Yala, Ogoja, Gakem, Andoni, Engenni, etc. None of these groups, many of who are smaller than Ikwerre. Surprisingly we couldn't get these groups to abandon their indigenous non Igbo related languages for Igbo ones, but only did so with Ikwerre, even when no evidence of such exists.
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by gidgiddy: 9:28am On Dec 09, 2019
I have no problem with Ikwerre deciding to be an ethnic group on their own. What I have a problem with is when someone says they are a 'distinct ethnic group' when there is nothing distinct about them at all.

You have an Igbo surname
You speak Igbo as your ancestral language
You practice Igbo culture

Yet you say you are distinct? How so? People should stop fooling themselves
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by pazienza(m): 9:35am On Dec 09, 2019
Ikwerre bought no Igbo slaves. Actually, the Aro invaded and ransacked many Ikwerrre villages for slaves, like they did to all Igbo clans, and sold these Ikwerre slaves to the Ijaw middle men (who were mainly Ijawnized Igbos) , for onward sales to to the whites stationed on the coast for shipping to the new world.

The Aro ransacked and set up settlements in Ikwerre land like they did in many parts of Igbo land. The first ancient throne in Ikwerre, the one at Isiokpu, is an Aro established throne and ruled by Aros.

I wonder how an inferiority complex suffering Bini people who abandoned their Bini language for Igbo language, can now come out and claim to have had Igbo slaves. You can't even keep your Bini language, yet you are shamelessly feeling superior to your superiors who without them, you will have no language to call your own.

I have never seen such a group of confused people like these Bini of Ikwerre.
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by iSlayer: 9:52am On Dec 09, 2019
Midas01:
As if you also don't disfigure English language everyday. May you also know no good in life. Nonsense!
What's my business with an imperialist language? And what's your business with that too? Are you an Englishman? You will never know peace in your life and all your endeavors if you're part of those people. Idiot.
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Youngmaster0(m): 10:00am On Dec 09, 2019
Ikwere are not Igbos, but here is Wike"DikeOha" fully displaying the Igbo regalia in rivers state govt house.. This one go pain the Afonjas and their slave lords

Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by pazienza(m): 10:02am On Dec 09, 2019
What Ikwerre speak is an adulterated Igbo. They claim to have come from Bini, and we know Bini people don't speak Igbo language. 
So basically, what you call Ikwerre language is a denatured form of Igbo language. 
You cant denture someone language and call it yours without acknowledging the original owner. 
Even the word "Ikwerre" is Igbo, meaning "Have you agreed", even their alternative name "Iwhuruoha" is a denatured Igbo "Ihuoha", meaning "the face of the people (Oha)". 
If you borrowed alot from a people who never colonized you, including borrowing the name of your ethnic group from their language. Then you owe them alot and should show more respect to them. 

I had repeatedly advised Ikwerre people to revert back to the Bini language of their ancestors, and Bini names as well and stop this whole confusion.
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by pazienza(m): 10:05am On Dec 09, 2019
Incase you have missed the gist.

Ikwerre, Ekpeye and their likes claim to be Bini descendants.
Naturally, their original language should be Bini language.

Common sense dictates that the current language they speak is a borrowed one from Igbo, they couldn't have gotten it from thin air, or evolved it independently, when it's obviously Igbo.


This should be simple enough.

Igbos couldn't have borrowed Igbo language from a people whose ancestors were Bini speakers and arrived to our borders speaking Bini language as they claimed.

In Ibani(Bonny), the people speak Igbo, but they now claim to have descended from Ijaw, so the people are doing the needful by relearning Ijaw language, instead of claiming that the mutilated Igbo they speak is theirs, they are changing their names to Ijaw ones as well.

Ikwerre and other Bini bandwagoners in SS who speak Igboid languages but claim Bini descent should go relearn Bini language and change to Bini names. What's the big deal. They should do this and save us all from the drama.
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by blexxonmak(m): 10:24am On Dec 09, 2019
I thought the Ikwerres are not Igbo.
When I checked:
kiss
Ogbakor = Gathering = Igbo

Dike = Warrior or Hero = lgbo

Oha = Community or Public = Igbo

Who is deceiving who?

O ga eme unu vam n'anya ma emesia.
Ekenekwam unu.




[qoute author=Ctorch post=84724677]Ikwerre Grand Civic Reception: Governors, Lawmakers, Prominent Rivers Politicians and Traditional Rulers Honour Governor Wike

State Governors, Serving and former Federal Lawmakers, Council Administrators, Traditional Rulers and Religious Leaders joined thousands of Ikwerre people on Saturday to celebrate Rivers State Governor, Nyesom Ezenwo Wike in a Grand Civic Reception organised by the Ogbakor Ikwerre Cultural Organisation Worldwide to recognise the outstanding contributions of the Rivers State Governor to the national development process.

Chairman of Ikwerre Government Recognised Traditional Rulers, Eze Oha Apara Kingdom, Eze Worlu Wodo announced the conferment of the title: "Dike Oha Ikwerre ", covering the entire Ikwerre Ethnic Nationality.

Roughly translated, "Dike Oha Ikwerre" means Hero/Pillar of Ikwerre People.[/quote]
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nobody: 10:57am On Dec 09, 2019
HopeAtHand:
There are only 3 tribes in Nigeria shows how ill-educated you are. I don't have time for people with the quality of your education.
Pls dont add blindness to ur problem.

I said there are only 3 ethnic groups in nigeria.
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nowenuse: 11:23am On Dec 09, 2019
horsepower101:
Who is forcing who. You keep making very generalized vague statements that has nothing to do with my original comments.

BTW majority of Aniomas have no identity crisis. They know that they are igbos.

Please don’t engage me again.
No offense to you bro, but I don't think it is the majority. It is more like a 50/50. Being born and bred in Delta state, I grew up with a lot of aniomas.
While I was in Uniben, an Ukwani girl insulted me just because I was insisting that she is Igbo.

Majority of Ikas & Ndokwas reject Igbo identity, but there is a strong minority who accept it actively or passively. The minority who accept are mostly found in Eastern areas of Ika (Igbodo, Umunede) and Ndokwa east (Ndosimili).

Majority of Enuanis accept Igbo identity, however a strong minority reject it.
The minority who reject are mostly found in areas like Ubulu-uku, Illah, Idumuje axis and those Ebu & Olukumi and even some Asaba people surprisingly.

Aniomas are divided into 3 category if you ask me, the Igbophobic, the Igbophilic and the passive ones.
The passive ones are in the majority (50%), these ones are neither here nor there, they accept Igbo today and reject it tomorrow. If you can give them enough reasons to accept being Igbo, they will, enough reasons to reject Igbo, they will.... They accept whichever direction the tide (wave) goes.
The Igbophilic are like 25% and Igbophobic 25%. The 2 groups are always trying to convert the passive ones into their folds.
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nowenuse: 11:32am On Dec 09, 2019
niaralandtopuser:
have you been to Delta once. In school, Anioma and Igbo cultural day were celebrated separately. I even join in celebrating Anioma day back then as I grew up there and speak the Anioma language
Thank you very much. This is what many people like horsepower101 do not understand.

Many of them have never been to Delta state or lived there before. They just rely on what they see on the internet.
Personally I hate micro divisions, I believe in unity of people with similar cultures and orientation. Hence I regard Aniomas as Igbos, but many of them reject this.

Women were having a regional gathering in the Assemblies of God church one time in Delta state and every ethnic group were asked to present their cultures. Anioma & Igbo women did not present together at all. Igbo women presented theirs, then Anioma women came separately to present theirs. Imagine.
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nowenuse: 11:44am On Dec 09, 2019
midnighter:
Itshekiris accept that they are related to Yoruba and Itshekiri language itself is an ancient dialect of Yoruba.

Urhobo/ Isoko dichotomy is an individual political issue; some of them accept that they are the same yet others argue vehemently that they are totally different



Is it that they adopted a language similar to Igbo or that they speak Igbo? So where did they get the quasi-Igbo language from?

Igbo people are naturally disparate; we were just unified recently under the umbrella term "Igbo". The Igbo dialects spoken in part of Enugu and Ebonyi states are completely unintelligible to the average Igbo speaker, yet they still accept themselves as Igbo even though going by your logic, they have even more right to claim that they are something else because the language has almost nothing to do with central Igbo.

At school, Anioma and Igbo days are celebrated differently for political reasons that dont hold water. I have met plenty of people from Delta who just call themselves "Delta Igbo" from Ibusa, Kwale, Agbor. What is your point exactly
Yes, sometimes, I think divisions are very very political and created by humans.

It's just the same way Austrians reject German identity, yet Barvarians (the largest subgroup in Germany) speak exactly the same language and practice same culture with Austrians.

Netherlands is very identical to their neigbours Northern Germany too, they understand each other and practice the same culture. Netherlands call themselves DUTCH while Germans call themselves DEUTSCH. Same pronounciation, yet Dutch people can assault you for insisting they are Germans grin

Humans are just very funny creatures.

In the case of Igbos, I think the River Niger and the South-south geopolitical division is the biggest problem of unity.
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by pazienza(m): 11:48am On Dec 09, 2019
Nowenuse:
No offense to you bro, but I don't think it is the majority. It is more like a 50/50. Being born and bred in Delta state, I grew up with a lot of aniomas.
While I was in Uniben, an Ukwani girl insulted me just because I was insisting that she is Igbo.

Majority of Ikas & Ndokwas reject Igbo identity, but there is a strong minority who accept it actively or passively. The minority who accept are mostly found in Eastern areas of Ika (Igbodo, Umunede) and Ndokwa east (Ndosimili).

Majority of Enuanis accept Igbo identity, however a strong minority reject it.
The minority who reject are mostly found in areas like Ubulu-uku, Illah, Idumuje axis and those Ebu & Olukumi and even some Asaba people surprisingly.

Aniomas are divided into 3 category if you ask me, the Igbophobic, the Igbophilic and the passive ones.
The passive ones are in the majority (50%), these ones are neither here nor there, they accept Igbo today and reject it tomorrow. If you can give them enough reasons to accept being Igbo, they will, enough reasons to reject Igbo, they will.... They accept whichever direction the tide (wave) goes.
The Igbophilic are like 25% and Igbophobic 25%. The 2 groups are always trying to convert the passive ones into their folds.
Well naturally I don't like discussing Igbo issues with non Igbos, because it's usually pointless, but I make exceptions to this your post, so I'm going to reply you.

First and foremost, you will find out that the Anioma sentiment and identity is only strong in Enu-ani region, the Ika and Ukwuani are more interested in being independent of both Igbo and Anioma, and amongst the Ukwuani, there is also now a rejection of the Ukwuani tag, as those from Ndokwa East are claiming not to be Ukwuani but instead insist their ethnic group is "Ndiosumili".
So it's a confusion state in Ika and Ukwuani.

But the Enu-ani, who are the ones most Igbos in South East are interested in are overwhelming pro Igbo.
The Asagba of Asaba is a patron of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo and the late Ide Asaba, Achuzia was a two time secretary of the organization. The Igbo identity is pretty strong in Enuani and by no way 25% like you try to portray. It's more like 60% pro Igbo, 20% anti Igbo and 20% neutral.
The likes of Lauretta Onochie fall into the 20% Igbophobic.
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by kendological(m): 12:34pm On Dec 09, 2019
chrisxxx:
Bros I don't know these slaves problems. An Ikwerre man sees himself far more superior to an Ibo man. There are historical evidence of Ibos' slave serving their Ikwerre masters. Same can not be said in reverse. An Ikwerre man feels belittled when compared with an Iboman.
There is no history of meeting, association of any kind with them in the past. They should contend with their independence from Nigeria and leave Ikwerre out of their annexation quest.
Igbos are larger than life itself, don't die from your frustration.
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by kendological(m): 12:37pm On Dec 09, 2019
chrisxxx:
Don't mind me you can see they are alien to me an Ikwerre man.
An Ikwerre man with no native language than Igbo.
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by kendological(m): 12:39pm On Dec 09, 2019
Halexgos3:
Ikwere are not Igbo but they are lost Edo because they don't have language.
Let them drop the Igbo language, for Bini, is that hard?
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Wizikal(m): 12:40pm On Dec 09, 2019
Just like igbos saying they are not nigeria,,,!,, Biafra madness
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by midnighter(f):
Nowenuse:
Yes, sometimes, I think divisions are very very political and created by humans.

It's just the same way Austrians reject German identity, yet Barvarians (the largest subgroup in Germany) speak exactly the same language and practice same culture with Austrians.

Netherlands is very identical to their neigbours Northern Germany too, they understand each other and practice the same culture. Netherlands call themselves DUTCH while Germans call themselves DEUTSCH. Same pronounciation, yet Dutch people can assault you for insisting they are Germans grin

Humans are just very funny creatures.

In the case of Igbos, I think the River Niger and the South-south geopolitical division is the biggest problem of unity.
Well, I can level with you on all of this except that

- The words "Deutsch" and "Dutch" are in no way pronounced the same, though I got your point.

- Dutch people are Germanic but not German. The history of Germany and its tribes, kingdoms and invasions is more complicated than that. In fact even English people share some ancestry with Germans and English is classed as a Germanic language

But as I said, I get your point. In the case of border communities and nations that are literally right next to each other, you will always get some mixing of languages and cultures until people on either sides of the boundary are indistinguishable from each other.

The issue of south-south divisions doesn't just affect Igbos, it affects almost all the groups in that area when they keep dividing themselves into smaller and smaller sub-groups, rightly or wrongly.

Imagine how much more political leverage Efik, Ibibio and all the sub-groups would have if they weren't so disparate
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by kayfra: 12:52pm On Dec 09, 2019
Success1020:
Afonjas and division. What is Ikwerre ethnic group? You see them wearing Igbo custome and Igbo unique staff inscribbed "Dike Oha."? Is "Dike Oha" a yoruba phrase to you? Anumanu
What's Igbo costume? You mean post colonial attire adopted by people in the SS and SE? Igbos were naked before the British and Portuguese came. Fact!
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nobody: 12:53pm On Dec 09, 2019
chrisxxx:
Bros please stop this nonsense. Your Ibo people were on a colonization drive against the Niger Deltans before the war. The Ikwerres had been suppressed and their identity almost changed. It was not only them. Your Ibo influences spread even to far away Calabar Area. Ibo language was taught compulsorily in school.
Your influence was not only felt in south but also in far away north and west.
The mistake of your overzealous tribe in engaging in war caused you people to lose all even your conquered territory Ikwerreland.
Bros please don't provoke Ikwerre people with this history please.
Bros please there is no proof that igbo language was compulsorily taught in schools. Why do you people fall for this divide and rule trick. Ikwerre are igbos QED
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by midnighter(f):
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by OgaBuhari: 1:18pm On Dec 09, 2019
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midnighter:
How were Igbos naked...there are clear photos online of what Igbos used to wear in days of old...please don't be an illiterate..

How can we have words for clothes, caps and attire if we didn't wear any smh
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Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by OgaBuhari: 1:19pm On Dec 09, 2019
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midnighter:
Well, I can level with you on all of this except that

- The words "Deutsch" and "Dutch" are in no way pronounced the same, though I got your point.

- Dutch people are Germanic but not German. The history of Germany and its tribes, kingdoms and invasions is more complicated than that. In fact even English people share some ancestry with Germans and English is classed as a Germanic language

But as I said, I get your point. In the case of border communities and nations that are literally right next to each other, you will always get some mixing of languages and cultures until people on either sides of the boundary are indistinguishable from each other.

The issue of south-south divisions doesn't just affect Igbos, it affects almost all the groups in that area when they keep dividing themselves into smaller and smaller sub-groups, rightly or wrongly.

Imagine how much more political leverage Efik, Ibibio and all the sub-groups would have if they weren't so disparate
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Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by oyatz(m): 1:24pm On Dec 09, 2019
Nigeria and indeed most African countries have great problems of ethnic tension because of the long lasting legacies of European colonialism which make tribal identities the basis of sharing national wealth, powers and privileges in artificially created heterogeneous countries.
It is the basis of civil wars, political instabilities and corruption in many African Countries.

If individual merits are largely used in sharing national wealth, political powers and privileges in these countries, nobody will give a hoot about tribes.


In Nigeria, the Fulani ethnic group have mastered the art of Statecraft. Even though they themselves are a minority recently settled ethnic group in Nigeria, have succeeded in forging an amalgam of diversed tribes into the largest power block headed by them.

They achieved these between 1804-1903 by conquering different tribes, encouraged them to forgo their tribal identities and embrace a new identity; the Islamic identity which unify everybody in Theocratic States called EMIRATES, many of which are joined together in a Confederacy called the SOKOTO Caliphate.

The British Colonialists met this structure and strengthened it by creating a larger political entity encompassing two thirds of Nigieria called Northern Region and handed it over to the Fulani rulers.

The Igbos on the other hand doesn't have this advantage. Similar tribes like the Anioma, Etche, Ekpeye and Ikwerre suppose to coalesce into the greater Igbo super ethnic group but they refuse to do so and this was magnified by the defeat of the Igbos in the Civil war with reverberating consequences.

However, the nature of life is that you can't always win on all sides. Those who are disadvantaged in one side are advantaged in other areas.

The Fulani have advantages in politics and powers but great disadvantages in education and modern indices of development. The Igbos have advantages in education, commerce and enjoy higher quality of life than most of their compatriots.

Fortunately, everything is subjected to change and things are changing nowadays.

midnighter:
1. I never asserted that the phenomenon is restricted to Igbos.

2. Such phenomena occur among different ethnic groups for different reasons. So for you to single Igbos out for querying this issue in particular doesnt make any sense. If something happens concerning a tribe, the members of that tribe have the right to discuss and talk about it. The occurrence with the north, the Kogi Yoruba, the Arabs and Amazigh, the Arabs and Kurds have all happened for totally different reasons so saying that youre amazed and amused on that basis makes no particular sense.

3. Hausa language is a lingua franca in the north; those tribes have their own native language plus hausa language that they speak on top of it to make communication easier. Down here, English is the lingua franca; we bear English names and speak English to communicate with different tribes even though we have our own native languages so that example bears no relationship with what we are discussing here, like I was saying in point (2)

4. The bolded is exactly my point; we are not experiencing any Islamic hegemony down here, in fact Igbo people are marginalised the most so what is the relevance of that example huh

Unless youre trying to say that some Igbo people came and dominated Ikwerre people to the point where they couldnt remember their own language again then the example youre giving is totally irrelevant.
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by chrisxxx(m): 1:25pm On Dec 09, 2019
obynzo:
Bros please there is no proof that igbo language was compulsorily taught in schools. Why do you people fall for this divide and rule trick. Ikwerre are igbos QED
You are Ikwerre.
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