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Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by sulaak(m): 12:55am On Dec 13, 2019 |
crash12345: Only paedophiles and sex pervert visit poor countries. Tourism in Nigeria will be a social disaster. 1 Like |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by DexterousOne(m): 5:45am On Dec 13, 2019 |
Beautyaddy: Don't be ignorant I have used the arrangements myself GOT MY VISA ON ARRIVAL AT JKIA in Kenya And got my visa easily to go to Marrakech But for S.A. and Egypt, there is no such agreements Nigeria has some of these arrangement not many take advantage of But it's mostly African countries, Vietnam and Iran. |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by penguinpikin: 8:02am On Dec 13, 2019 |
We will wake up to some Alien soon |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by Nobody: 8:04am On Dec 13, 2019 |
DexterousOne: SA changed the arrangement due to security issues, as one of the people who bombed one of your shopping malls few years back came through south africa. |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by DexterousOne(m): 10:40am On Dec 13, 2019 |
Austine1212: I see. I love to come visit S.A. sometime this coming yr Want to see what's up there The visa process tho |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by Nobody: 12:54pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
DexterousOne:where in SA do you wanna visit, Its pretty easier to visit here for kenyans |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by DexterousOne(m): 12:55pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
Austine1212: I'm from Nigeria Not kenya |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by Nobody: 1:01pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
DexterousOne: Ok visa required But hopefully next year it will be easier china and india will be visa free And nigeria will be visa on entry, hopefully So which part in SA you keen on visiting |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by unikwa: 3:12pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
BreconHills:You must not have been following events globally. Executive Order 13780, titled Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States, is an executive order signed by United States President Donald Trump on March 6, 2017. It places limits on travel to the U.S. from seven countries (Iran, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, North Korea and Venezuela) and also bars entry for all refugees who do not possess either a visa or valid travel documents. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13780 FYI: those are people traveling to the USA by air. Also, president Barak Obama had the same ban in place. |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by BreconHills(m): 4:58pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
unikwa: Thank you for this. There are several differences between Nigeria and the US that make the security threats against them quite different. The US is a high profile, high value target with very few contiguous countries - Mexico, Canada and for the sake of it let us add Cuba. Nigeria is not a high profile target - it does not represent western civilisation and it does not have global landmark sites. Nigerias threat is therefore for a low intensity short term skirmishes and occupation of it's relatively exposed and low inhabitant ares. For instance the Maitastine sect in the 80's, the BH in the 2000's, Cameroon in the 90's. All Nigerias threats are based on land mass and continuity. This is why its defence profile is regional and not global. I want to believe this point is quite clear. The UK too is a low continuity country, it has no neigbours and is less than one hour from Europe, it has global landmarks and it does represent "decadent" western civilisation. Security must be aimed at the most likely threat not the most remote one. All countries have limited resources. Also do bear in mind that President Trumps security measures have been wildly derided. The largest risk of terrorism is by home grown terrorists not foreigners jetting on and out of airports. It takes a lot of local knowledge including language, knowledge of geography to decide what to hit. It also takes a lot of time to set up stores, create devices, and safe houses. It is far more likely that a crazed local fanatic runs through one of our malls shooting than that a terrorist team arrives through the airport. Having said this, foreign terrorist movements are tracked across borders by different countries in near real time. The chances of an international person of interest arriving at the airport undetected is very low. Your apprehension is possible but remote. In such circumstances Nigeria will use existing infrastructure, it does not need to jettison , deplete or degrade its border and intra border security in order to chase after a golden rabbit. Thank you for presenting with facts. It makes the conversation civilized. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by Horus(m): 5:39pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG5q8fHl7LQ Nigeria has Just Announced Visas on Arrival For All Africans |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by unikwa: 8:13pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
BreconHills: Not really. We cannot just sing the virtues of policies arbitrarily imposed on Nigeria without thorough consultation. We know that ISIS sponsors Boko Haram in Nigeria. Does a weak visa policy not weaken security in that regard? I maintain that this weak visa policy is knee-jerk in nature, and not well thought out. Let's lurch to the extreme end of the spectrum and just let anybody and everybody in. Why not? Would that augur well for Nigeria's security? Part of granting visas involves embassies scrutinizing the individual. A policy of "Visa at the gate" eliminates that step. To what end? BreconHills: Yes, the opposition Democrat party, and their media surrogate CNN deride every single thing Trump does. Like I said before, Obama had the same exact ban, and Democrats never uttered a word of condemnation. Why the double standard? Also, SCOTUS later vindicated president Trump and upheld his original ban. BreconHills: To the extent that this is true, outside threats can be just as potent if allowed to fester. A weak visa policy lays that groundwork. I gave you the example of ISIS funding Boko Haram. Unchecked movement makes it easy to form terror cells ready to unleash hell at opportune moment. BreconHills:Of course, it does. Collaborating with locals fills that gap well. Nigeria in particular is vulnerable to foreign influence, since there is so much poverty in the land. If Nigerians can fly into other countries and turn to crime, why do you doubt that other people can come to Nigeria and do the same thing? BreconHills:Good luck with that within Nigeria's borders. A police ASP was kidnapped recently. A phone call was made by the police to the kidnappers that lasted almost half an hour. What happened to tracking there? Policies in Nigeria more often than not are "gra gra". Ramifications of the aftermath are rarely considered. |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by BreconHills(m): 9:09pm On Dec 13, 2019 |
unikwa: Visa on entry is not visa free neither does visa online guarantee entry into Nigeria. I have applied for visa on arrival for expatriate partners and it is no cake walk. There is a fair amount of information to be provided by the host. The responsibilities of satisfying immigration conditionalities shift from visitor to the host. Believe me there is software on those immigration computers that you would not believe. If you have filled any official form in triplicate, voted or operate a bank account you are on that system. Let me leave it at that. I can tell you that this policy will not increase risk to national security. We already have free entry to ECOWAS citizen and have had visa free arrangements with other countries on reciprocal grounds for years and years. The new regulations are even more stringent than ECOWAS and reciprocal arrangements currently in force. |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by unikwa: 5:56pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
BreconHills: You just buttressed my point that visa application should be made at the embassy, not at the point of entry. Nobody can convince me that Nigerian has hit the perfection mark in digital technology, in a country where electricity problems affect even airports. I guarantee you that the process will turn into rubber stamping for those who can "drop something". Unless it's not the same Nigeria I know. BreconHills: Free movement for enhanced economic activity has not been without a hitch in the ECOWAS region. We all know what happened to Nigerians in Ghana recently. It's partly because of the liberalized visa policies. BreconHills: That has not been the experience in the European Union. So what magic wand would make Nigeria's case be any different? Debates raged in the past about discontinuing the Schengen Visa policy due to the increased security risk it poses. Also, US passport holders enjoy free movement to certain countries. This has been dialed back somewhat due to security threats. I think being bullish on Nigeria's new visa policy is naive at best. Yes it has some pros. But be willing to admit the cons as well. |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by BreconHills(m): 6:58pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
unikwa: All Change comes with its risks. The question is whether those risks are reasonable in the circumstances. We cannot have all progress stymied because we are afraid of things that are yet to happen. We will have to agree to disagree. 1. I maintain that the risks of of terrorists travelling into Nigeria by plane is low. The pattern has been border crossing through less populated land areas in the north. 2. The pattern of global terrorist activity is for home grown locally planned attacks. Can you name any post 9/11 attacks anywhere in the US or Europe that were not home grown? 3. The responsibility for immigration compliance rests on the host issuing the invitation. Every Nigerian can be very checked simply by tying phone records to bank statements. The idea that an immigration officer will take the risk of allowing in anybody simply because of dash is highly unlikely as every entry on the onboard data is easily tracked to a particular officer. 4. I believe you also underestimate the foreign component of Nigerias intelligence service the NSIA. This is an extremely well run and shadowy outfit that has huge intelligence on incoming passengers right from the moment a flight to Nigeria is booked. It works closely with all the major intelligence outfits. You can talk about the DSS but ask yourself how much you really know about the NSIA? 5. Let's part from the speculation and look at the data. This is important. Since the suicide bombing of the UN office in Abuja over 8 years ago, has there been a repeat? In spite of the "porous" nature of Lagos, how many bombings have there been? None. We have to work with the data. There are all sorts of speculations we can make - but based on the data, how many are likely? Since 2011 there have been numerous home grown terrorist activity in the US and Europe. As I said we have to agree to disagree. But we wont have to wait long. The policy will go into effect next year and the results will soon be in. Nigeria is not a perfect country and many many things dont work well or at all, but anti terrorism security in urban areas is not one of them. I never said there are no cons and no risk. What I said is that the risk is not at the level that would make the new policy ill advised. Let's see how it pans out. |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by BreconHills(m): 7:51am On Dec 15, 2019 |
unikwa: |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by BreconHills(m): 7:53am On Dec 15, 2019 |
unikwa: From todays newspaper. As you can see the visa on arrival policy is dynamic and allows for specific targeting and response to emerging threats. It's not an open door policy. It is just a layered one that places itself behind other pre flight checks instead of in front of them. I quote "They go through security checks and we have a stop list that guides us. On entering Nigeria, the system will alert us of a suspected terrorist because we already have their names with us" Please read the article below. Have a great weekend. https://punchng.com/visa-on-arrival-policy-immigration-to-begin-special-screening-of-kenyans-libyans-somalians-others/ Modified for visual ease |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by seangy4konji: 3:24pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
Baba terrorist himself He open door but Nigeria's can't get out. |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by unikwa: 7:32pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
BreconHills: Same concerns as I have are highlighted here: https://allafrica.com/stories/201912160010.html Let's call this chat an impasse. No way to prove something like this anyway. Even if my apprehension comes to pass in the future, where would you be to do a mea culpa? |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by unikwa: 3:45am On Dec 20, 2019 |
Thousands of migrants flooding Nigeria on foot after visa policy was announced. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN6GwzZfYpI This is exactly what I said is going to happen. When these people arrive Nigeria, and they can't find work, they'd turn to crime. |
Re: All Africans Travelling To Nigeria Can Get Visa On Arrival by somtookeke(m): 4:20pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
*Free entry for Africans into Nigeria as a New Year gift from president Muhammed Buhari* https://speakersden2..com/2019/12/free-entry-for-africans-into-nigeria-as.html 1 Share
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