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| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 4:56am On Dec 20, 2019 |
DownChelsea:You Catholics have done so much harm to God's word and you people will never go unpunished. |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 4:57am On Dec 20, 2019 |
DownChelsea:I will take it as a compliment. |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 4:59am On Dec 20, 2019 |
DownChelsea:Change what? You asking me to change to paganism aka Catholism(the mother of all harlots) |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by DownChelsea(f): 7:22am On Dec 20, 2019 |
blueAgent:if you really want to be Christian. Otherwise, be a joker in silence and constitute only self-nuisance |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by DownChelsea(f): 7:23am On Dec 20, 2019 |
blueAgent:see it as a truth you must embrace. Another important truth |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by DownChelsea(f): 7:25am On Dec 20, 2019 |
blueAgent:did you go to any form of school? Cos I wonder why a simple question is quite a job, for you to correctly answer. Or is your shallow pastor your only source of information and knowledge TOO? |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by DownChelsea(f): 7:34am On Dec 20, 2019 |
blueAgent:this is what you made yourself look like. You have refused to embrace wisdom and shy away from the notorious protestant 2 dimentional understanding. You talk about differentiation YET on this your obviously meaningless thread, you have equated respect with worship, you have equated intercessory prayers as God worship, you have equated residual Christianity(the nonsense you do in your church) with true Christianity, you have equated ignorance with knowledge, you even equated Mary to God, you equated veneration to worship, and you have been too literal in your interpretation of scriptures contained in a book that protestants can never understand. |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 3:50pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
DownChelsea:Your aggressive approach is not working, while not spend time and refute my argument rather than keep calling yourself names. |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by DownChelsea(f): 3:52pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
blueAgent:you have made mockery of yourself. All the “names” are yours by your own doing. What you call argument hasn’t passed the slightest test of validity. Your obsession is ultimately self destructive |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 3:53pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
DownChelsea:Some evidence to ponder on. The Memorare The Memorare is a beautiful prayer that expresses our confidence in the Blessed Virgin Mary. It is attributed to St. Bernard of Clairvaux. Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that any one who fled to thy protection, implored thy help or sought thy intercession, was left unaided. Inspired by this confidence, I fly unto thee, O Virgin of virgins my Mother; to thee do I come, before thee I stand, sinful and sorrowful; O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in thy mercy HEAR and ANSWER me, Amen. Anthony, like Saint Francis, was a passionate devotee of Mary. In his sermons he expressed beautiful words of praise towards the Mother of the Lord. To the Blessed Virgin Mary We praise you, Our Lady, Our hope: You, star of the sea, enlighten your children overwhelmed by this stormy sea of sin; let us reach the safe haven of forgiveness, and, grateful for your protection, may we conclude our lives with the help of the One you carried in your womb and fed by your holy breast. May honor and glory be with Him for ever and ever. Amen Our Lady, Our only hope, please enlighten our minds with the beauty of your grace, cleanse us with the whiteness of your purity, warm us with the warmth of your visit and reconcile us with your Son, so that we may deserve to reach through his help the splendor of His glory. With the Annunciation of the Angel, he assumed his glorious flesh through you, and wanted to dwell for nine months within your womb. To him be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 3:56pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
DownChelsea:Am still wondering what I missed. Mary, Help of Those in Need Holy Mary, help those in need, give strength to the weak, comfort the sorrowful, pray for God's people, assist the clergy, intercede for religious. Mary all who seek your help experience your unfailing protection. Amen. Morning Consecration to Mary My Queen, My Mother, I offer myself entirely to thee. And to show my devotion to thee, I offer thee this day, my eyes, my ears, my mouth, my heart, my whole being without reserve. Wherefore, good Mother, as I am thine own, keep me, guard me as thy property and possession. Amen. Prayer to Mary, Our Lady of Walsingham O Mary, recall the solemn moment when Jesus, your divine Son, dying on the Cross, confided us to your maternal care. You are our Mother, we desire ever to remain your devout children. Let us therefore feel the effects of your powerful intercession with Jesus Christ. make your Name again glorious in the shrine once renowned throughout England by your visits, favours, and many miracles. Pray, O holy Mother of God, for the conversion of England, restoration of the sick, consolation for the afflicted, repentance of sinners, peace to the departed. O blessed Mary, Mother of God, our Lady of Walsingham, intercede for us. Amen. Prayer to Our Lady of Czestochowa O Mother of God, Immaculate Mary, to thee do I dedicate my body and soul, all my prayers and deeds, my joys and sufferings, all that I am an all that I have. With a joyful heart I surrender myself to thy love. To thee will I devote my services of my own free will for the salvation of mankind, and for the help of the Holy Church whose Mother thou art. From now on my only desire is to do all things with thee, through thee, and for thee. I know I can accomplish nothing by my own strength, whereas thou can do everything that is the will of thy Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ. Thou are always victorious. Grant, therefore, O Helper of the Faithful, that my family, my parish, and my country might become in truth the Kingdom where thou reignest in the glorious presence God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, forever and ever. Amen. Prayer to Our Lady of Fatima O Most Holy Virgin Mary, Queen of the most holy Rosary, you were pleased to appear to the children of Fatima and reveal a glorious message. We implore you, inspire in our hearts a fervent love for the recitation of the Rosary. By meditating on the mysteries of the redemption that are recalled therein may we obtain the graces and virtues that we ask, through the merits of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Redeemer. Amen. Prayer to Our Lady of Guadalupe Dear Mother, we love you. We thank you for your promise to help us in our need. We trust in your love that dries our tears and comforts us. Teach us to find our peace in your Son, Jesus, and bless us every day of our lives. Help us to build a shrine in our hearts. Make it as beautiful as the one built for you on the Mount of Tepeyac. A shrine full of trust, hope, and love of Jesus growing stronger each day. Mary, you have chosen to remain with us by giving us your most wonderful and holy self-image on Juan Diego's cloak. May we feel your loving presence as we look upon your face. Like Juan, give us the courage to bring your message of hope to everyone. You are our Mother and our inspiration. Hear our prayers and answer us. Amen. Prayer to Our Lady of Lourdes Blessed, most pure Virgin, you chose to manifest yourself shining with life, sweetness and beauty, in the Grotto of Lourdes. To the child, St. Bernadette, you revealed yourself, "I am the Immaculate Conception." And now, Immaculate Virgin, Mother of Mercy, Healer of the Sick, Comforter of the Afflicted, you know my wants, my troubles, my sufferings. Look upon me with mercy. By your appearance in the Grotto of Lourdes, it became a privileged sanctuary from which you dispense your favors. Many have obtained the cure of their infirmities, both spiritual and physical. I come, therefore, with confidence in your maternal intercession. Obtain for me, O loving Mother, this special request. Our Lady of Lourdes, Mother of Christ, pray for me. Obtain from your Divine Son my special request if it be God's will. Amen. Prayer to Our Lady of Mount Carmel O Most beautiful Flower of Mt. Carmel, Fruitful Vine, Splendor of Heaven, Blessed Mother of the Son of God, Immaculate Virgin, assist me in this my necessity. O Star of the Sea, help me and show me herein you are my mother. O Holy Mary, Mother of God, Queen of Heaven and Earth, I humbly beseech you from the bottom of my heart to succor me in this necessity. There are none that can withstand your power. O show me herein you are my mother. O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. (three times) Sweet Mother, I place this cause in your hands. (three times) Amen. Prayer to Our Lady of Sorrows O Most Holy Virgin, Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ: by the overwhelming grief you experienced when you witnessed the martyrdom, the crucifixion, and the death of your divine Son, look upon me with eyes of compassion and awaken in my heart a tender commiseration for those sufferings, as well as a sincere detestation of my sins, in order that, being disengaged from all undue affections for the passing joys of this earth, I may long for the eternal Jerusalem, and that henceforth all my thoughts and all my actions may be directed toward this one most desirable object. Honor, glory, and love to our Divine Lord Jesus, and to the Holy and Immaculate Mother of God. Amen. Regina Coeli (Caeli) O, Queen of Heaven, rejoice! Alleluia. For He whom thou didst merit to bear, Alleluia, Hath arisen as He said, Alleluia. Pray for us to God, Alleluia. Rejoice and be glad, O Virgin Mary. Alleluia. For the Lord hath risen indeed. Alleluia. Oremus (Let us pray) O God, who, through the Resurrection of Thy Son our Lord Jesus Christ, Didst vouchsafe to fill the world with joy; grant, we beseech Thee, that, through His Virgin Mother, Mary, We may lay hold on the joys of everlasting life. Through the same Christ our Lord. Amen. |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by DownChelsea(f): 3:56pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
blueAgent:you forgot to add the “glory be” that comes after it, and then the “sign of the cross” Lmao @ the joke you have become ![]() |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 4:00pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
DownChelsea:How is this a prayer of intercessions? Sub Tuum Praesidum We fly to thy patronage, O holy Mother of God; Despise not our petitions in our necessities, but DELIVER us always from all dangers, O glorious and blessed Virgin. Amen. |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by DownChelsea(f): 4:03pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
blueAgent:read what you wrote again. It is an expanded “pray for us” . Once again you forgot the glory be, our father and sign of the cross that follow it. |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 4:05pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
DownChelsea:Clown do you understandthe meaning of this? MOTHER of God, most holy Mary. If Mary is most Holy than it means God is not most Holy because 2 people cannot be the most Holy at the same time especially when you are comparing God and others. There is no one as Holy as God. Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why call me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by DownChelsea(f): 4:07pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
blueAgent:Eehyah! The lexical “Christian”! Do you know the 1st book to be written in the bible? The obsessed fellow who calls Mary “most holy” without any word (noun) after the “holy” Mr. only the minority will make heaven and have been making heaven. ![]() |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 4:10pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
DownChelsea:Where is the intercessions in this prayer? The Memorare Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, implored your help or sought your intercession, was left unaided. Inspired by this confidence, I fly unto you, O Virgin of virgins, my Mother. To you I come, before you I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word incarnate, despise not my petitions, but, in your mercy, hear and answer me.. So Mary can protect? can have mercy and answer you? What Happened to the Bible verse that says it is only through Jesus Christ we are to make our prayers unto God. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by DownChelsea(f): 4:13pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
blueAgent:intetcession is not taking Jesus’s place. Or has anyone told you so. Or if you tell your shallow pastor that you need protection, that he should pray for you, does that mean he’s taking Jesus place? Has any Catholic told you they pray through “the name of” anyone but Jesus? This very last YES/NO question should send you to bed. Lest you want to still wail in obsession |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 4:15pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
DownChelsea:As usual you never address any of the issue raised. What has word noun has to do with the fact that Catholics believe and call Mary the most Holy? |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by DownChelsea(f): 4:17pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
blueAgent:it is simple. Nobody takes you seriously cos you are only useful at making jokes. You’ve obviously been cracking all sorts of jokes on this your thread. Do you know a man (apart from youself) who refers to Mary simply as “most holy? ![]() |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 4:18pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
DownChelsea:How does it justify the fact that you are giving Gods honour to Mary. Have you not read that God does not share his glory with anyone? Isaiah 42:8 am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by DownChelsea(f): 4:21pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
blueAgent:I initially diagnosed “schooling” as your problem. It is clearer now. Protestants are gullible, pls start your own establishment for you can further divide the protestant movement. You have small talent there. Make you some money |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 4:23pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
DownChelsea:Am having fun, while it is obvious my article is causing you great pain, take heart, that's the price you pay on your way to liberation from scam religion/Church. |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 4:28pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
DownChelsea:When it comes to spiritual things ones education does not count. Am not here for views,comments or likes but am here because God laid it as a burden in my heart to point out the truth and to proclaim it. Just like the prophet Jeremiah Jeremiah 20:9 Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But his word was in my heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary from holding it back, and I could not. |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 4:30pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
DownChelsea:Clown, those prayers and the word Most Holy Mary were written by your Church, are you that Naive that you don't understand what your church doctrine are? |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by DownChelsea(f): 4:40pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
blueAgent:if that is what you choose to call the damage you are doing to your own mental credibility, who am I? |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by DownChelsea(f): 4:41pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
blueAgent:but you are the only creature that refers to mary as simply “most holy”. Or do you want to fault yourself again? |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by DownChelsea(f): 4:42pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
blueAgent:you have already undermined education, from this point your lack of understanding of what is written is more understandable. It’s still your L anyway |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 7:50am On Dec 21, 2019 |
DownChelsea:You are trying so hard to mask the truth with non relevant arguments. Why not refute my OP show me how your honour to Mary is quite different from the one you give to God. Am not here to discuss qualifications but am confident that my Educational qualification is far above whatever you will have in 3life times. |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 7:58am On Dec 21, 2019 |
DownChelsea:The problem is that you have sold your sense for nothing. Click this link and read it. and see if there is no Mary most Holy . www.themostholyrosary.com/appendix8.htm |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by blueAgent(op): 8:01am On Dec 21, 2019 |
DownChelsea:.Invoke the name of Mary frequently during the day. Say three Hail Marys in reparation for blasphemies uttered against the holy Mother of God. Perform some act of kindness in honor of Our Lady. A Sinners Prayer to the Blessed Virgin Mary O most excellent, most glorious, most holy and ever inviolate blessed Virgin Mary,- mother of our Lord Jesus Christ, queen of the world and mistress of all creatures! Thou who forsakest no one, despisest no one, who leavest in sadness none who seek help at thy hands with pure and lowly hearts, do not abandon me because of the number and hatefulness of my sins, nor on account of the hardness and uncleanness of my heart; do not refuse me, thy servant, a share in, thy favor and thy love. Hear me, a wretched sinner, who trusts in thy mercy and pity. Help me, O most loving Virgin Mary! in all my perils and needs, and obtain for me from thy beloved Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, the forgiveness of all my sins, the grace of the fear and love of thee, chastity in body, and deliverance from all the dangers which beset both soul and body. I n the last moments of my life be thou my kind, helper and save from eternal darkness, and from evil of every kind my poor soul, and the souls of my parents brothers, sisters, friends, relatives, and benefactors, together with the souls of all the faithful, both living and dead, through the grace of him whom for nine months thou didst bear in thy most holy womb, and whom thou didst place with thy holy hands in the manger, Jesus Christ our Lord, to whom be all honor given for endless ages. Amen. The Sovereign Pontiff, Leo XII., by a decree of the 8. Congr. of Indulgences, Jan. 30, 1828, granted to all the faithful who, with at least contrite heart and devotion, shall say this prayer: An Indulgence Of One Hundred Days, once a day. Prayer Recommending Oneself to the Blessed Virgin Mary M y queen! my mother! I give myself entirely to thee; and to show my devotion to thee, I consecrate to thee this day my eyes, my ears, my mouth, my heart, my whole being, without reserve. Wherefore, good mother, as I am thine own, keep me, guard me, as thy property and possession. Ejaculation: M y queen! my mother! remember I am thine own. Keep me, guard me, as thy property and possession. His Holiness, Pope Pius IX., by a decree of the S. Congr. of Indulgences, Aug 5, 1851, granted to all the faithful who, with fervor and at least contrite heart, shall say, morning and evening, one Hail Mary, together with this prayer and ejaculation, to implore of the blessed Virgin victory over temptations, especially over those against chastity: An Indulgence of One Hundred Days, once a day. G |
| Re: Evidence That Catholics Worship Mary. by DownChelsea(f): 10:54am On Dec 21, 2019 |
blueAgent:obsession. |
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