Part 1...

Some Facts About The First State Sponsored Church

Some of my Catholic followers have asked me to do an analysis of their church. I find their use of the word ‘our church’ almost ironical because they do not know my history. Not only was I once a Catholic, my mother, and my grandfather were both Catholics. As a matter of fact, the first place Catholicism came to in Nigeria is a place called Ode-Itsekiri, which all true born Itsekiri know as Big Warri. Augustinian Monks set up the first Catholic mission in Nigeria there in 1555. My grandfather was an Olu of Warri. I can trace my bloodline and Catholic origin up to Olu Atuwatse I (AKA Dom Domingos), who in 1648 became the first university graduate in West Africa, as well as the first Christian to be crowned Olu of Warri.

It is just that I can’t tell my followers the truth about the Catholic Church. I have so many Catholic followers and I do not want to upset them. But what I will say openly, and which you can verify from your priest, is the fact that the Catholic Church does not even pretend to be a Christian church. The Catholic Church is a ROMAN church. The official name of the church is The Holy Roman Catholic Church. Go and investigate this.

What does the terminology The Holy Roman Catholic Church mean? The word Roman means it is of Ancient Roman origin. The word Catholic means ‘all embracing’. Please check the dictionary, in case I have lied to you.

The Holy Roman Catholic Church is a Roman Church put together to embrace all the religions of Ancient Rome in one religion as a way of bringing the Roman Empire closer together and prevent it from disintegrating because of the threat posed to it by early Christians, who refused to give up their faith, despite harsh persecution.

Many of the practices of the The Holy Roman Catholic Church are pagan practices from Roman religions. Mathew 23:9 says “call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven”, yet, you call Catholic priests, Father. Why? Because the origin was with Ancient Roman religions were they called the priests Father. The Pope is himself called ‘Holy Father’ in contravention of Matthew 23:9. We have only One Holy Father, as Matthew 23:9 teaches. Even the word Pope means Father (it originates from the Greek word Pappas, which means Father).

1 Timothy 4:3 warned that religions will come later that “forbid people to marry”. Your Catholic priests do not marry, not because of Scripture, but because the priests of Ancient Rome were largely eunuchs, so they could be no threat to Caesar’s power. They claim Peter was the first Pope. Not only is that false, but the fact is that Peter was married. “When Jesus came into Peter's house, he saw Peter's mother-in-law”-Matthew 8:14

The Holy Roman Catholic Church uses and venerates statues of Christ’s and saints. Yet, Exodus 20:4 says “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.” The Holy Roman Catholic Church does this because idol worship was part of the Ancient Roman religions.

Finally, the Holy Roman Catholic Church uses the term ‘Madonna’ to refer to Mary’. When you ask, they tell you that Madonna means ‘Our Lady’. Not true. I have been to the ancient Temple of Dianna in Ephesus in modern day Turkey. Madonna simply means My Diana. The goddess Diana was brought in as the Madonna.

Christ never gave His mother veneration. Neither did He ask us to venerate her because unlike Him and His Father, she is NOT Deity. As a matter of fact, when He was told that His mother was looking for Him, He said “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers? Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers.”-Matthew 12:48-49.

I have more to say about the Holy Roman Catholic Church, but I assure you that if I say it, both me and my family will be under threat from physical and spiritual forces that I know God will deliver me from. But why should I put my family through such?

Reno Omokri

Gospeller. Deep Thinker. #1 Bestselling author of Facts Versus Fiction: The True Story of the Jonathan Years. Avid traveller. Hollywood Magazine Film Festival Humanitarian of the Year, 2019.


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Part 2..


Yesterday, I wrote on Catholicism and a Catholic responded by saying that Catholicism spread throughout the world because of its wide acceptability, unlike Islam that was spread by Jihad. I don’t just study religion, I research it. No other religion has been spread by violence as Catholicism. To give you a little insight, The Frankish king Charlemagne forcefully converted the Germanic tribes of Europe into Catholicism during the Saxon wars and massacred whole tribes that refused to convert. That is why Germany is majorly Catholic today. It was not by choice. The Baltic and Slavic nations were forcefully converted to Catholicism during the Northern crusades. During the Spanish Inquisition, Jews and Muslims had two options: Forceful conversion or exile from Spain and Portugal. At a point in time, you could not even buy and sell in much of Europe if you were not a Catholic. But the worst was what the Spanish conquistadors did in South America. That was beyond forceful conversion to Catholicism. That was genocide, the like of which the world has never seen before or after then. Whole races were wiped off the face of planet Earth, and millennia old civilisations, including the Inca and Aztec, were destroyed in the forced Catholicism of Latin America. A similar situation existed in Goa, where the Portuguese forcefully converted Asiatic people. It is the height of ignorance to claim that Islam is violent and other religions are not. More people have been killed in an attempt to forcefully Christianise them, than have been killed in Islamic Jihads. Sadly, some of the most murderous Crusades were actually instigated, paid for and directed by the Catholic Church. These are sad facts of history. The major problem of the Black man, however, is that he does not study, and as a result, it is so easy to deceive him. I remember when I pastored a church in Abuja, I talked about how Nigeria needs to apologise to the Igbos for the massacres of the Nigerian Civil War, and one of my congregants, who is older than me, was shocked. He said “pastor, you mean there was a civil war in Nigeria before?” HIV and malaria are not the biggest diseases in Africa. Ignorance is the number one disease of Africa!

Reno Omokri

Gospeller. Deep Thinker. #1 Bestselling author of Facts Versus Fiction: The True Story of the Jonathan Years. Avid traveller. Hollywood Magazine Film Festival Humanitarian of the Year, 2019.

You Can Argue all you want but all The Young man Reno has said is The Holy Truth..

You Believe or you don't Believe does not Matter, Because you will personally face it once we cross over or At the End of Time..

There is No Assistant to JESUS CHRIST..

No paul, No peter, No Elijah , No Mary!

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Mary was only a vessel used to bring our LORD and SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST on Earth.. it could have been anyone..

What is Happening there is Pure Idol Worship, No Modification..

If you are Sensitive to what's Happening on Earth Today, you will understand that the Man pushing for the anti-Christ , what I call the Fore runner of the antichrist is The Pope..

He That Hath Ears, Let Him /Her Hear

The holy Roman Empire. Hail hitler

For the first time I think I agree with this man

Hmmm...las las, nah sincerity, respect, serving humanity make sense.

I'M A CATHOLIC and I'm proud to be a Catholic. Hail Mary, you're full of grace.

Dear Reno for all the things written in the Bible the greatest is to "love your neighbor as yourself"
If you keep this, then forget how we serve God.

Why are protestants always find joy in attacking Catholics?

Is it that they think attacking Catholics will win more members to their Pastors or what? I don't understand the philosophy behind it.

So who are Christians if Catholics are not Christians?

Haaaa! Ooooh!

BTW, is it not this same Reno that Buhari frustrated with silence when he was forming political critique?

Did he dropped political critism in order to become religious critique?

Going right now to do my own research. I will be back

Well articulated write up.

My only query is the supposed massacre in the Americas, I strongly doubt it had to do with the spread of Catholicism. Rather, it was due to;

1) Spanish and Portuguese conquest for gold and
2) Diseases brought in accidentally by the Spanish conquistadors which the local population had no immunity to. Reminiscent of the Black Death (bubonic plague) that ravaged Europe in the 1500s or so.

I stand to be corrected, but these I understand led to mass deaths in the ancient America civilisations. Not Catholicism.


Every other bit of the write up seems to be in order.

Most catholics don't know d pope is the false prophet Written in d book of revelation, who will lead the world government or religions to the Antichrist, that y he is going round the world meeting religion leaders for peace, read news not the likes of CNN,fox, a Jazeera, BBC this news media will not tell u d true of wat is happening in d world. For people coming together for peace or saying d world need peace know everywhere it is false used by the satan,Antichrist and false prophet to deceive the world because only Jesus Christ can bring peace not human etc...

MuttleyLaff:
why the word "church", is falsely used in place of Christ's ekklesia leaves one literally open-mouthed
No doubt, there are strong indications of foul-play somewhere down the history lanes of church, as "church" DOESN'T COME from the original Koine Greek word ekklesia.

As regards the chequered and real truth about ""Church"; where did it come from and where is it headed?”, lack of space and time doesn't permit elaborating, hence these following bullet points:

• Adam & Eve in Eden fast forward to Matthew 16:18 and Acts 2:41
• Roman Emperors Constantine and Licinius' Edict of Milan in AD 313 which established a policy of religious freedom for all.
(i.e. a proclamation that permanently legalised Christianity in the Roman Empire)
• Christianity becoming the official religion of the Roman Empire.
• the sell-out and/or shady deal(s)(e.g. "Church" and State collaboration under Constantine)
• The regularisation and formation of the Roman Catholic Church (i.e. RCC)
• Roman Empire's adoption of RCC as "official" church during Constantine's reign
• The supremacy of the Roman bishop (i.e. the papacy) created/aided with the support of the Roman emperors (i.e. Constantine and his successors)
• Constantine calling the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325, in an attempt to unify Christianity when doctrinal disputes arose
(e.g. Arianism, doctrines named after Arius, a teacher in the early 4th century A.D) and presiding over this first ecumenical church council
• the exploits of the apostles, all charged up in their faith, preaching the Gospel and like Jesus willing to die horrible deaths because of it.
• The apostolic period (i.e. including The "patristic writings'') - about contemporaries of the apostles like Linus, mentioned in 2 Timothy 4:21, and who became the bishop of Rome after Peter was martyred
• the ante-Nicene (i.e. before Nicaea) period - about the likes of Ignatius and his "ekklesia katholicos" phrase, he was a disciple of the apostle John
• the post-Nicene "church" period - about the likes of Augustine, bishop of Hippo, who is often called the father of the [Roman Catholic] Church because of his great work in Church doctrine
• The term "Roman Catholic" defined by Emperor Theodosius on February 27th, 380 in the Theodosian Code.
In that document, he referred to those who hold to the "religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter"
as "Roman Catholic Christians" and gave them the official sanction of the empire
• the first canon (i.e. Muratorian Canon), the progressive acceptance of other books as canonical and have them make up the 66 books of the bible
• The fall of the Roman Empire in AD 476 and the rise of the Roman Catholic Church
• the Pontifex Maximus; the highest office in the state religion of ancient Rome and at the collapse of the Roman Empire, RCC popes taking on this title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors
• the tragic compromise of believers with the introduction of pagan religions and assimilation of paganism influences
(i.e. the Romanization and paganization of Christianity and the "Christianization" of pagan beliefs)
• Apostolic succession and Pope Gregory in AD 590, upon assuming office denying any responsibility or support for any ambition to the throne of Peter
• "Church" and State fully merged as the Holy Roman Empire
• Subsequent popes exercising authority over kings and emperors, taking on imperial powers along with ecclesiastical authority (e.g. St Leo III)

MuttleyLaff:
"John, to the seven congregations {Gr. ekklesia – called out ones} which are in Asia:
Grace be unto you and peace from him who is and who was
and who is to come and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne"
- Revelation 1:4

It's you who simply misses and/or missed the crucial point about ekklesia and what it is. The word "church" does not come from the Greek word ekklesia

Ekklesia has always been, case in point as seen in Revelation 1:4 above, where and/or when Ignatius of Antioch, who incidentally was a disciple of the author of the above Revelation 1:4 verse, as in the person of Apostle John, coined the "ekklesia katholicos" phrase, it was used to mean the called out ones universally, in distinct to the local, town or city assemblies

ikorodureporta, fyi, Reno Omokirikiri is a big fat shameless liar, it was the church father Saint Ignatius of Antioch in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans, who first used the phrase "ekklesia katholicos" which when translated to English turns into "Catholic Church".

As could be seen from my above mentions from two other different threads, it is Saint Ignatius of Antioch, a disciple of Apostle, who coined the phrase "ekklesia katholicos" and to mean the called out ones universally, in distinct to the local, town or city assemblies called out ones.

As a matter of fact, the first use of the word "Catholic" was by this man, Saint Ignatius of Antioch, in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans

So contrary to what Reno Omokirikiri is saying, that the word Catholic means "all embracing" and with false humility pleading to please go check the dictionary for the meaning of the word "Catholic", in case he lied, well Reno lied, and its a barefaced lie because the word "katholicos or katholikos" first is Greek in origin, or if "catholicus" then Latin in origin, and does not mean anything and/or does not anywhere close mean "all embracing." Saint Ignatius of Antioch coined the phrase used to mean the church "on the whole", to mean the church "according to the whole" or the church "in general".

It will interest anyone wanting to know, that the word katholicos or katholikos" is a combination of the Greek words "kata" meaning "about" and "holos" meaning "whole", so in effect, the originator of the phrase Saint Ignatius of Antioch, is saying he is writing about the church in the whole, when he used the phrase in his "The Epistle of St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans"

Reno Omokirikiri, is not really on about Catholicism, he cares less about Catholicism, what Reno Omokirikiri was doing and going at great lengths while at it, is sneakingly trying to put it out there in the public domain space, that he has blue blood flowing in his veins, that as he has the Olu of Warri royalty blood flowing in him, then he is to be looked at, as a person of noble birth, lol. It is very easy to read Reno like a book, this all thanks to his past unsavoury antecedents, lol. I am sure this latest one is not going to be the last of them, lol

harmonyAris:
Going right now to do my own research. I will be back

I just love it when people go to brush up their Bible and delve in, to do the Berean with it, lol

PS: By the way and out of curiosity, why are you into Corazon Kwamboka that much enough, to have her, as your profile picture? Just asking, no malice.

MuttleyLaff:




ikorodureporta, fyi, Reno Omokirikiri is a big fat shameless liar, it was the church father Saint Ignatius of Antioch in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans, who first used the phrase "ekklesia katholicos" which when translated to English turns into "Catholic Church".

As could be seen from my above mentions from two other different threads, it is Saint Ignatius of Antioch, a disciple of Apostle, who coined the phrase "ekklesia katholicos" and to mean the called out ones universally, in distinct to the local, town or city assemblies called out ones.

As a matter of fact, the first use of the word "Catholic" was by this man, Saint Ignatius of Antioch, in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans

So contrary to what Reno Omokirikiri is saying, that the word Catholic means "all embracing" and with false humility pleading to please go check the dictionary for the meaning of the word "Catholic", in case he lied, well Reno lied, and its a barefaced lie because the word "katholicos or katholikos" first is Greek in origin, or if "catholicus" then Latin in origin, and does not mean anything and/or does not anywhere close mean "all embracing." Saint Ignatius of Antioch coined the phrase used to mean the church "on the whole", to mean the church "according to the whole" or the church "in general".

It will interest anyone wanting to know, that the word katholicos or katholikos" is a combination of the Greek words "kata" meaning "about" and "holos" meaning "whole", so in effect, the originator of the phrase Saint Ignatius of Antioch, is saying he is writing about the church in the whole, when he used the phrase in his "The Epistle of St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans"

Reno Omokirikiri, is not really on about Catholicism, he cares less about Catholicism, what Reno Omokirikiri was doing and going at great lengths while at it, is sneakingly trying to put it out there in the public domain space, that he has blue blood flowing in his veins, that as he has the Olu of Warri royalty blood flowing in him, then he is to be looked at, as a person of noble birth, lol. It is very easy to read Reno like a book, this all thanks to his past unsavoury antecedents, lol. I am sure this latest one is not going to be the last of them, lol

I just love it when people go to brush up their Bible and delve in, to do the Berean with it, lol

PS: By the way and out of curiosity, why are you into Corazon Kwamboka that much enough, to have her, as your profile picture? Just asking, no malice.

Your attempts to sound knowledgeable make you appear desperate hence more stupid(no malice)
Giving me the history of the origin of the word ekklesia has no relation with what I intended to research about them. That word wasn't the major point that reno talked about.
His major points were
1. "Catholic being an encompassing religion"

2. Directly disobeying the Christ's precedence in the case of calling fellow man "father" "rev father", "pope which also means father"

3. "The veneration of Mary and so called saints"

4. "Supposedly worshipping God through carved images"

5. "Compulsorily forbidden marriage as a criteria in their enlistment" (so called priestship)

6. "Their claim to be infallible" (one or a group who does no wrong)

7. "And having 73 books instead of 66 popularly accepted

All these are in direct struggles with what Christ or his disciples taught.

(what Reno Omokirikiri was doing and going at great lengths while at it, is sneakingly trying to put it out there in the public domain space, that he has blue blood flowing in his veins, that as he has the Olu of Warri royalty blood flowing in him, then he is to be looked at, as a person of noble birth, lol. It is very easy to read Reno like a book, this)

The above statement makes you sound vain, proud and restrainable to shifting your paradigm. Deep down you knew this wasn't Renos intention but you would make it so to make your idea believeable. Questioning your believing doesnt make you susceptible, it rather gives clarity. As long as u don't renounce it, you come out more affirmed.

Corazon is a twitterian I like very much. Thanks

bencr7:
Most catholics don't know d pope is the false prophet Written in d book of revelation, who will lead the world government or religions to the Antichrist, that y he is going round the world meeting religion leaders for peace, read news not the likes of CNN,fox, a Jazeera, BBC this news media will not tell u d true of wat is happening in d world. For people coming together for peace or saying d world need peace know everywhere it is false used by the satan,Antichrist and false prophet to deceive the world because only Jesus Christ can bring peace not human etc...

so, it's now a bad thing to preach peace & unity

harmonyAris:
Your attempts to sound knowledgeable make you appear desperate hence more stupid(no malice)

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I must have stepped hard on a raw nerve, lol, so much hard enough, to make you this strongly unhappy to spit out this much vile temper and venom, lol. Peele, Ndo, lol.

harmonyAris:
Giving me the history of the origin of the word ekklesia has no relation with what I intended to research about them.

I wasnt giving you a history per se my dear, I was giving you the train of thought to see how I got to the "• the ante-Nicene (i.e. before Nicaea) period - about the likes of Ignatius and his "ekklesia katholicos" phrase, he was a disciple of the apostle John" important section that relates to the word Catholic that Reno had the fact wrong about.

As I previously had typed, it was Saint Ignatius of Antioch, in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans (i.e. the ''Epistle of St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans'') who first coined the phrase "ekklesia katholicos," used to mean, the church "on the whole", to mean the church "according to the whole" or the church "in general". It would have been lazy and irresponsible of me to leave you and my readership mystified by not providing a little backdrop of whats behind the word "ekklesia katholicos,"

harmonyAris:
That word wasn't the major point that reno talked about.

The fact of being untrue, incorrect and/or insincere, the untruthfulness in how Reno said what is the meaning of word, stood out like a big fat sore thumb. He even had the cheek to tell people to go check the dictionary for the meaning. Is it from the English dictionary, that Saint Ignatius of Antioch coined the "ekklesia katholicos," phrase from ni, hmm?

The meaning of the word "katholicos," according to what Reno said it was, is an indisputable big fat lie. Catholic, better still "katholicos," according to Reno's definition, does not as he puts it, mean "all embracing" period.

harmonyAris:
His major points were
1. "Catholic being an encompassing religion"

2. Directly disobeying the Christ's precedence in the case of calling fellow man "father" "rev father", "pope which also means father"

3. "The veneration of Mary and so called saints"

4. "Supposedly worshipping God through carved images"

5. "Compulsorily forbidden marriage as a criteria in their enlistment" (so called priestship)

6. "Their claim to be infallible" (one or a group who does no wrong)

7. "And having 73 books instead of 66 popularly accepted

All these are in direct struggles with what Christ or his disciples taught.

He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. I am not going to trade words with you listing errors, the tribulations, the scamming, staged healing miracles, the misogyny and/or mistrust of women, the sense of entitlement culture, obligatory or imposed ecclesiastical monitised tithing, prejudice(s) and bigotry etcetera in the penterascal circles, which Reno himself, a self-styled pastor, is prominent in, lol

harmonyAris:
(what Reno Omokirikiri was doing and going at great lengths while at it, is sneakingly trying to put it out there in the public domain space, that he has blue blood flowing in his veins, that as he has the Olu of Warri royalty blood flowing in him, then he is to be looked at, as a person of noble birth, lol. It is very easy to read Reno like a book, this)

The above statement makes you sound vain, proud and restrainable to shifting your paradigm. Deep down you knew this wasn't Renos intention but you would make it so to make your idea believeable. Questioning your believing doesnt make you susceptible, it rather gives clarity. As long as u don't renounce it, you come out more affirmed.

Reno has enough on his penterascal plate to look into and so should face straight front, mind his own penterascal affairs and just already leave the Catholics alone in peace, lol,

We have got the gist Reno, that blue blood runs in your veins, lol, thank you for the unneccesary and/or unsolicited information, lol. Everyone that is anyone, knows Reno Omokirikiri. If you know Reno, you know Reno. Who no know Reno, no go know Reno. God bless auntie Toyin Ojora-Saraki, lol.

harmonyAris:
Corazon is a twitterian I like very much. Thanks

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Wow, I am surprised she is. You could have fooled me that Corazon is a twitterian.

It is obvious you like Corazon, which is why my question was asking, why are you into Corazon Kwamboka that much enough, to have her, as your profile picture. Why not tell me something I dont already know, huh?

harmonyAris:
Lol nah you did not step on a nerve. Are you pissed I called you stupid? Aww tot I affirmed "no malice" I'm sorry baby boy.

Why if I am being slated for saying the truth should I be pissed of that. Nah, thats water off the back of the duck things. What you yet aware off, is that, you're a nothing more than a bonafide and certified confirmed learner, lol. Go check my profile history, you'll find out that I have continuously being called far worse names than harmless and innocent looking stupid, lol, and fyi nothing, if thats how you want it, wrong in me, being baby boy to you, lol. I happily wear it on my sleeve, being baby boy for life, forever for harmonyAris, lol.

harmonyAris:
Dear I do not care about the word ekklesia or whatever pseudo train of thought you learnt to boost your ego here. I'm talking about how the doctrines of the catholic is in contrary to what Christmas taught.

Without wanting to sound like a broken record, Reno should get his penterascal home in order first, before poking his nosey parker nose into Catholics' affair

harmonyAris:
Keep your pseudo knowledge to yourself. I don't give a fück about Ignatius.

Are you alright at all? Where did you see or read me proselytizing you? You really think I give two monkeys that you dont give a foxtrot uniform charlie kilo about Ignatius, hmm?

harmonyAris:
I do give a lot care about Jesus.

Congrats, so you now want me to pin a medal on your chest for this, right? lol

harmonyAris:
Still with the ekklesia thing huh

The things I have to do for the ...

harmonyAris:
He asked the people to go check the meaning of catholic which means "encompassing". Checks out!

The Quran in Surah 10:94, has the good sense to tell Muslims, if they are in doubt, to go ask "People of Book," that is, "People of Book," meaning believers. It didnt/doesnt refer them to go to a dictionary to know the actual and/or real meaning of a Greek/Latin word. Reno emphatically stated that the word "katholicos" (i.e. catholic) means "all embracing," but this is the not true, because that is not the real and actual meaning of "katholicos" (i.e. catholic).

You now even made matters worse, on behalf of Reno, saying the meaning of catholic means "encompassing" and so checks out! What!? You're trying to advance that "encompassing" is another meaning of the Greek "katholicos" (i.e. catholic) smh. More a classic case of dumb and dumber, smh, lol, and I thought I have seen it all, smh.

harmonyAris:
I see where your problem lies. You simply read to attack. Those nuggets from Reno must've or still torments you. Take that up with him huh

No, I sensibly read to refute and show/prove to be wrong/false any pretension that sets itself up as true/correct knowledge. I do not on a whim attack, but I promptly will go at tearing down any/all intellectual arrogance and ignorance, such this one displayed by Reno Omokirikiri, lol. Whatever nuggets Reno must have had, got overshadowed and/or marred up by his cunning man deceitfulness

harmonyAris:
Well you listing the faults of the pentecostal does not validate those of the catholics. Its just as simple as that. Two wrongs dont make a right! Truth!

I listed the faults of the penterascals (i.e. aye, of course pentecostals) after the fact, of Reno, doing the holier than thou act. lol

harmonyAris:
Here we go again with Reno Reno Reno.......no he won't. He has looked into enough penterascal plates, peeping into the catholical plates to get them get their shit together is admirable

Reno is the proverbial hypocrite who conveniently forgets his own penterascal faults, to go out of his nosey parker way, to point out someone else's. Who doesnt know Reno with his ever changing numerous/different monikers there in the Politics forum section during Jonathan APC heydays, lol

harmonyAris:
Reno Reno Reno. Again

Yup, when you step foot and neck out in a war zone, you'll get shot at, lol. harmonyAris, if it so much that grieves, you, why not kornmanbitmeup at my hause because of it, lol

harmonyAris:
And I'm obligated to tell you, why?

Did you see a gun put to your head, when asked, hmm? You're so self conceited, lol

harmonyAris:
You're so entitled.

"By the way and out of curiosity, why are you into Corazon Kwamboka that much enough, to have her, as your profile picture? Just asking, no malice."
- © Re: Reno Omokri Slams Catholics by MuttleyLaff: 2:36pm On Dec 22, 2019

You dont know, just like an intellutual illiterate, the right way of using the word "entitled." Fyi, "... out of curiosity ..." means, interested in learning about people or things around you, it doesnt at all, add up to being entitled, lol.

harmonyAris:
Singing Renos name like a baby even when you do so little to mind your own business.

As I previously had said Reno Omokirikiri, should know that, as he lives in a glass house, he shouldnt be throwing stones. Besides the nail that's got his head raised up, gets hammered down, lol

harmonyAris:
Big grammar don't cloud stupidity honestly (ah there I go again) premium trash is still trash

You have a huge overbloated ego. Big grammar exposes your inferiority complex and your inferiority complex distorts reality. People like you, dont take kindly to someone such as we, who make you feel your own inferiority, lol. You just have to bear the pain of your inferiority complex all by yourself. Sorry nothing I can do about what you think is grammar, peele, kedu, jor, lol,

At 16 posts, 172 views and at 5:56pm today, your harmonyAris post above got hidden and you've probably earned yourself at least a 24 hours ban, meaning your posting privileges here on the Religion forum are temporarily withdrawn. Long enough time for your brain to cool down and get default factory reset lol.

Reno Omokirikiri nor know pass religious fight

First of all, our love must be towards God.

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matthew:22:37

And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Matthew:22:39

If a man/woman sincerely loves God, he/she will keep His commandments.

If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John:14:15

One of His commandments is this, Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus:26:1
Before you can sincerely love your neighbor, the love of God must sincerely flow from you. And if you love God you will keep His commandments.

How can you then claim to love God when you disregard His commandments by bowing to graven images?

If you really want to serve God, it mustn't be ANYHOW, but in newness of the spirit.

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Romans:7:6

Fynchi:
I'M A CATHOLIC and I'm proud to be a Catholic. Hail Mary, you're full of grace.

Dear Reno for all the things written in the Bible the greatest is to "love your neighbor as yourself"
If you keep this, then forget how we serve God.

Reno leave me to my ignorance. A Catholic I was born a Catholic I will be . Remove the speck from your eyes first

An Open Response to Reno Omokri on His Attack On the Catholic Church

Dear Reno Omokri,

Your post of December 18 2019 titled "Some Facts About The First State Sponsored Church", was written under the guise of helping some of your Catholic fans with analysis of the Catholic Church. Because you called lies fact, I have decided to point out your lies and show you what facts really look like.

To adequately do this, I will respond to every paragraph of that post.

First Paragraph From Reno Omokri:

"Some of my Catholic followers have asked me to do an analysis of their church. I find their use of the word ‘our church’ almost ironical because they do not know my history. Not only was I once a Catholic, my mother, and my grandfather were both Catholics. As a matter of fact, the first place Catholicism came to in Nigeria is a place called Ode-Itsekiri, which all true born Itsekiri know as Big Warri. Augustinian Monks set up the first Catholic mission in Nigeria there in 1555. My grandfather was an Olu of Warri. I can trace my bloodline and Catholic origin up to Olu Atuwatse I (AKA Dom Domingos), who in 1648 became the first university graduate in West Africa, as well as the first Christian to be crowned Olu of Warri."

Response:

It is very beautiful that some of your Catholic followers could in sincerity ask you to do an analysis of "their Church." I guess they trusted you so much as one who is knowledgeable in giving a sincere analysis, even though they do not know that the words "sincere analysis" are actually not compatible with you when it comes to the Catholic Church.

You know that it is funny for children to ask a stranger whom they meet on the street to tell them the story of how their mother gave birth to them instead of asking their mother or a relative directly, so you cunningly inserted yourself into the picture as a Catholic with Catholic origin so that your so called analysis will be seen as true. Nice one! This is why you started tracing the history you read up, finding a way to put your father and grandfather and great-grandfather into it. But you forgot something.

The history of how Catholicism first came to Nigeria has nothing to do with your mother and grandfather becoming Catholics. This is because, the missionary activities of the Portuguese in Itsekiri land when they first came as far back as 1555 was highly unsuccessful. It was until 1914 and specifically 1916 that Catholicism took root in Warri through the effort of an Italian and a French priest. We are talking of almost 360 years difference here from 1555 to 1914.

The Olu Atuwatse 1 also known as Dom Domingo whom you mentioned, was actually sent to Portugal by the Portuguese missionary to train as a priest, but he did not meet up with the requirements of being a priest because he got married to a Portuguese woman. He studied at the Portuguese Premiere University of Coimbra from 1600 – 1611. Thus, he became the first African graduate. At his return, he became the seventh Olu Of Warri who reigned from about 1625-1643 AD.

The Catholicism your grandfather and mother got converted into was what was planted around 1914, that was 359 years after the Portuguese missionaries first came to Ode-tsekiri.

So, bringing the story of the first missionary in a bid to do an analysis to your Catholic followers on "their Church" does not say anything other than to make them feel you are credible, when you are not. Also to prove that you are knowledgeable in history, whereas you only succeeded in copying from the book written by Samuel U. Erivwo, Ph.D. on the "History of Christianity In Nigeria: THE URHOBO, THE ISOKO, AND THE ITSEKIRI." A book published in 1979. That is not scholarship my dear pastor Reno Omokri.

The Second, Third, and Fourth Paragraphs

"It is just that I can’t tell my followers the truth about the Catholic Church. I have so many Catholic followers and I do not want to upset them. But what I will say openly, and which you can verify from your priest, is the fact that the Catholic Church does not even pretend to be a Christian church. The Catholic Church is a ROMAN church. The official name of the church is The Holy Roman Catholic Church. Go and investigate this.

"What does the terminology The Holy Roman Catholic Church mean? The word Roman means it is of Ancient Roman origin. The word Catholic means ‘all embracing’. Please check the dictionary, in case I have lied to you.

"The Holy Roman Catholic Church is a Roman Church put together to embrace all the religions of Ancient Rome in one religion as a way of bringing the Roman Empire closer together and prevent it from disintegrating because of the threat posed to it by early Christians, who refused to give up their faith, despite harsh persecution."

Response:

These three paragraphs are just laughable. You really ended up showing so much ignorance.

You were right when you said you cannot tell your followers the truth about the Catholic Church, because you will prefer to tell them lies. That is what you did in that post.

The big question in these paragraphs is centered on The Roman Catholic Church. Why is it called the "Roman" Catholic Church? I still cannot understand how you managed to twist this simple fact about why it is called the Roman Catholic Church. It is so myopic of you.

First, the word Catholic is derived from the Greek adjective καθολικός (katholikos), or Latin 'catholicus' meaning "universal." I can understand why you decided to use "all embracing" to mean Catholic, because you want us to see that the Catholic Church was primary established to embrace all the religions of ancient Rome. But you were not very smart. I will show you why.

When the word "Catholic" is not used in the ecclesiastical sense, it can still mean, all-embracing, of general interest, liberal, having broad interests, or wide sympathies, or inclusive. Someone can even look at a large crowd and say, "this crowd is Catholic", just to mean that the crowd is much.

Again, St Ignatius of Antioch is credited to have been the first to used the word "Catholic" far back in 110AD in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans. Remind me again when Rome came into the picture in the Catholic Church? 313 AD. The church has been called "Catholic" for more than 200 years even before it was adopted as state religion in Rome. It was not called Catholic because it aimed at embracing all the religions in Rome, it was called Catholic because it is universal. St Ignatius of Antioch did not even conceive or thought of Rome as we know it today before he called the church Catholic. How do you write lies and still sleep at night?

Now to the big question in those paragraphs: Why is the church called Roman Catholic?

We all know that the Catholic Church is made up of the Western rite/Latin rite and the Eastern rite/ Orthodox rite. The Nigeria church belongs to the Western rite. The term "Roman" catholic is used to refer to the Latin or Western rite as different from eastern or othordox rites.

The term Roman Catholic was used mainly by English-speaking Protestants. It was part of their attempt to portray the pope as the leader of just a faction of Christianity, as if he was the same as the monarch of England, who was the head of the Anglican community.

As with many terms that start out as an insult but later are embraced and adopted by the group they were aimed at, Catholics in the West over time have used the term to show their union with the Holy Father.

However, the more accurate title is the Latin Church, whereas the Roman Church technically refers to the diocese of Rome.

Is this too difficult to understand?

The Fifth Paragraph

"Many of the practices of the The Holy Roman Catholic Church are pagan practices from Roman religions. Mathew 23:9 says “call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven”, yet, you call Catholic priests, Father. Why? Because the origin was with Ancient Roman religions were they called the priests Father. The Pope is himself called ‘Holy Father’ in contravention of Matthew 23:9. We have only One Holy Father, as Matthew 23:9 teaches. Even the word Pope means Father (it originates from the Greek word Pappas, which means Father)."

Response:

I can't believe this was even written by you Mr Reno. When you hate people for just no reason, you will even begin to advance arguments that are directly against you.

Ask Reno, do his children call him Daddy? Do they refer to him as Father? Ask Pentecostals, do they call their pastors Daddy? Do they refer to the wife of their pastors as Mummy? Now to all of us, how many of us call the man that gave birth to us Father, how many of us call the woman that gave birth to us mother?

So remember, the bible says "call NO MAN your father upon the earth." Matt 23:9.

So why do we still call people father or teacher?

This is what I usually say to you all, knowing bible is not about quoting every passage. People do harm to the bible anytime they quote a verse out of its context. Biblical interpretation and exegesis demand a lot. You must be able to understand the passage in its original language, its context, its audience, author, when was it written, even the culture at that time. If not, you will fail. And Omokri, with all his acclaimed titles has not only failed, but woefully.

We cannot interpret Matthew 23:9 as prohibiting reference to dads or priests as "fathers" without contradicting other scriptural passages in which the word "father" is used. Such an interpretation would render the commandment "honor your father" meaningless and would diminish the authority of the apostles and their successors.

There is a deeper meaning to what Christ was teaching, and the context if we read the entire passage, we will see that it is not merely literal. Jesus was simply addressing the hypocrisy of the scribes and Pharisees and why we should not call them "father" in the same sense that we call God 'Father'.

The sixth Paragraph

"1 Timothy 4:3 warned that religions will come later that “forbid people to marry”. Your Catholic priests do not marry, not because of Scripture, but because the priests of Ancient Rome were largely eunuchs, so they could be no threat to Caesar’s power. They claim Peter was the first Pope. Not only is that false, but the fact is that Peter was married. “When Jesus came into Peter's house, he saw Peter's mother-in-law”-Matthew 8:14."

Response:

We fall back again to the age old argument of why Priests don't marry. According to Reno "Your Catholic priests do not marry, NOT BECAUSE OF SCRIPTURE, but because the priests of Ancient Rome were largely eunuchs, so they could be no threat to Caesar’s power."

LIE! A BIG LIE!

I take myself as an example. I am not married as a priest and that is because of the Kingdom of God following the words of Christ in Matthew 19:12:

"Some are born as eunuchs, some have been made eunuchs by others, and some CHOOSE NOT TO MARRY FOR THE SAKE OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. Let anyone accept this who can.”

Then even St Paul that you quoted in 1 Timothy 4:3 that he warned of the religion that will come later and forbid people from marrying, was still the same St Paul that wrote 1 Corinthians 7:7-8 addressing the unmarried to remain unmarried like himself.

"For I would prefer it if you were all like myself. But each person has his proper gift from God: one in this way, yet another in that way. But I say to the unmarried and to widows: It is good for them, if they would remain as they are, just as I also am."

What do you make of what St Paul said in 1 Corinthians and what he said to Timothy juxtaposing it with his own unmarried state?

What is the point of all these? Simple, every scripture must be understood in its context. I have said this Before. The bible must be understood wholly, when interpreting scripture, one verse should not contradict another especially if it was said by same author.

But I understand, you cannot see this because of your hatred for the Catholic Church. To you, everything must be interpreted into pagan and it appears that giving the church a bad name makes you excited.

By the way, Peter is seen as the first Pope because Christ gave him the keys of the church and made him the head (Matthew 16:18- 19.) It is not about his marital status. Being married is inconsequential here. There was a time that priests, bishops were marrying in the Catholic Church. Even Catholic priests of the Eastern rites are allowed to marry. And if tomorrow the Catholic Church of the Western rite (the Roman Catholic) decides that her priests will be marrying, it does not affect the validity of the sacraments they celebrate.

So pastor Reno or whatever name you like to be called, why are you so paranoid?

Concluding Paragraphs

Your last paragraphs are about the use of images and the honour Catholics give to Mary. These arguments are not new. We have said it many times, Catholics do not worship Mary or any image. Now the question they now ask is, why do we have those images? Yet when I wrote against taking pictures of people to Shiloh for prayers, it was the same people that attacked me that those pictures are meant to help them connect. Then I gave up. Are we not all doing the same thing? Can't we see that as humans, we necessarily need images to connect? Even if you don't have a physical image, people still carry images of how God look like in their head, how Angels look like, how heaven look like.

Reno Omokiri is one writer I don't take all his words seriously. When he hates you, he is never objective. I do not sincerely fancy him. But if anyone must read him, ensure you have a filter in your head to sieve out the lies from the facts.

Written by Fr Kelvin Ugwu MSP

The Claim That The Catholic Church Have Killed More People Than Islam

Following my post addressing Reno Omokiri's attack on the Catholic Church, a friend by name Matthew, posted this on the comment section.

"The only area you didn't throw light on is that area that Reno claimed that the Catholic have killed more people than the Islam. I will like to be tutored on that Padre." .

Dear Matthew Enyigwe

I ignored that part of Reno's claim simply because there is always this issue between us Christians which I personally don't like: the denominational fight amongst us.

When the story coming out from one Christian denomination favours us as good, we all immediately realise we are Christians. When the story does not favour us, we no longer remember that we are Christians, our emphasis will now be on denomination. Note this, we all are guilty of this.

I decided to finally say something on that part because your question came across as someone who is truly willing to learn.

The era in which Reno Omokiri was making allusion to is generally referred to as the dark ages, for obvious reasons.

According to Reno Omokiri, "No other religion has been spread by violence as Catholicism."

Key word: CATHOLICISM.

Concerning the Saxon wars of 772–804 AD, Reno Omokiri said:

"The Frankish king Charlemagne forcefully converted the Germanic tribes of Europe into Catholicism during the Saxon wars and massacred whole tribes that refused to convert."

Key word: CATHOLICISM.

Concerning the North crusade of 1260-1410 AD, Reno said:

"The Baltic and Slavic nations were forcefully converted to Catholicism during the Northern crusades."

Key word again: CATHOLICISM

Concerning the Spanish Inquisition of 1478 AD, Reno said:

"During the Spanish Inquisition, Jews and Muslims had two options: Forceful conversion or exile from Spain and Portugal. At a point in time, you could not even buy and sell in much of Europe if you were not a Catholic."

Key word: CATHOLIC.

Concerning what the Spanish conquistadors did in South America from 1492 AD which was even more political can religious, Reno said:

"That was beyond forceful conversion to Catholicism. That was genocide, the like of which the world has never seen before or after then. Whole races were wiped off the face of planet Earth.

Key word again: CATHOLICISM.

If you are an objective student of History, and even if you read up by yourself all those stories of killings Reno alluded to, one thing you will notice is that all those places he used the word "Catholicism" the appropriate word is "Christianity."

If you noticed, I indicated the dates of those wars or killings to point out something. Within that period, there was nothing like Catholic, or Lutheran, or Anglican, or Methodist, or any Church in terms of denomination in the way we understand it now. Lutheran became the first after Catholic in 1517. People did not even know that there will come a time in which there will be different denominations. Every fight, every killing, every force conversion was done in the name of Christianity.

Why did Reno decided to situate it as a Catholic thing and not Christian thing? Some of the wars were fought politically to conquer territories, why did Reno decided to emphasize on Catholic? At that time, the religion of the emperor is usually the religion of his subjects, and if an emperor is a Christian, he will most likely force everyone to be Christian. Why did Reno used Catholicism instead of CHRISTIANITY?

The answer is simple, to make you see how bad and evil Catholic Church is. If not, instead of saying "No other religion has been spread by violence as Catholicism", he would have said "No other religion has been spread by violence as CHRISTIANITY."

But he knows that if he had said so, it will also indict him. So, to exonerate himself from a history that is largely a history of all of us Christians, it was safe for him to use "Catholic." How smart!

Yet, and very ironical,

The "Catholic church" collected together what we have today as the bible. But when talking about it, we don't say Catholic but Christians.

It was during the dark ages that the structure of what we have today as collages and universities was made, thanks to Catholic monks. But we won't look at it as Catholic instead we will prefer Christians.

It was at that period still that we got the calendar we are using today, some of the greatest breaks in science, art, painting etc came at that time by Catholics. But do we call them Catholic? No! We say Christians.

As typical of us, once it is good, it belongs to us. Once it is not, it belongs to them.

Truth be told, some of the things that happened that era were very terrible of which the church has even apologized. Still, it is important we understand that at that time people saw it as something heroic to fight and die for what they believe in. Their faith was so sacred to be toiled with. That same concept is still in Islam, that is why someone can kill you for insulting the prophet and feel good because he is doing it for God.

Recently, how many of us wanted to burn down Netflix because they presented Jesus as gay? Did you not read where pastors were advocating for boycott as a sign of being a child of God? How many signed a petition against Netflix? More than 2Million. Now, compare our 21st century reaction to that simple event to how it would have been in the 13th century, then you will understand that what we condemn is largely in all of us.

Again, there was this fear and threat of Christianity going into extinction. The Islamic world was coming forcefully. Have you asked yourself what has happened to great cities in the bible like Ephesus, Constantinople, even Antioch in which the followers of Christ where first called Christians? Can you find Christians there today? Those cities are now 99% Islam.

Even the whole idea of forceful conversion was as a result of what they believed. To them, and even till today, we see those who are not followers of Christ or "born again" as people destined for hell. So anything we can do to convert them so that they will be saved, is seen as heroic.

People go to Catholic Churches to convert the members because to them, they are doing a great work of saving them whom they consider as already condemned to hell. Catholics too, do the same.

Imagine that in your house, your 7 year old child decided not to go to church and he say to you that God does not exist. As a typical Nigeria church parent, what do you think will happen to that child?

Is that not the same thing emperors of those days who have powers over everyone in his territory did? Today, we will call it forceful conversion, but we forget we too have that tendencies (though subtle) once the person is under us.

The truth remains that no denomination today started from the scratch, except the denomination now known as the Catholic Church. Is it Anglican that started in 1534 and took so many things from the Catholic? Or Calvinist of 1536? Or Methodist of 1784? Or the Adventist Churches of 1840s? Or even Pentecostal churches of which they all started from 1990s?

Martin Luther after breaking away from the church founded his own church on 31st October 1517. What that means is that what we called the Catholic Church existed alone for ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED AND SEVENTEEN YEARS. Look at today, just within the space of 500 years, we have lost count of the number of denominations in our world.

We accept that in the history of the church, there were mistakes, there were terrible things, there were learning and growth also. But still, the history of the Catholic Church is the history of CHRISTIANITY. Whatever affects her, affects all.

Let's focus more on what unites us, not what divides us.

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what Reno wrote is correct, Roman catholic Church is NOT A christian Church. Christians do not venerates Mary or other saints or angels only pagans do it.
God said do not make images to bow to but these and many more abomination are what Roman catholic church encourages. If you are a Christian you shouldn't encourage demonic teachings or practices.

2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

ochibuogwu5:
The Claim That The Catholic Church Have Killed More People Than Islam

I ignored that part of Reno's claim simply because there is always this issue between us Christians which I personally don't like: the denominational fight amongst us

The era in which Reno Omokiri was making allusion to is generally referred to as the dark ages, for obvious reasons.

According to Reno Omokiri, "No other religion has been spread by violence as Catholicism."
Key word again: CATHOLICISM.

Reno said:

"That was beyond forceful conversion to Catholicism. That was genocide, the like of which the world has never seen before or after then. Whole races were wiped off the face of planet Earth.
Key word again: CATHOLICISM.

If you are an objective student of History, and even if you read up by yourself all those stories of killings Reno alluded to, one thing you will notice is that all those places he used the word "Catholicism" the appropriate word is "Christianity."

If you noticed, I indicated the dates of those wars or killings to point out something. Within that period, there was nothing like Catholic, or Lutheran, or Anglican, or Methodist, or any Church in terms of denomination in the way we understand it now. Lutheran became the first after Catholic in 1517. People did not even know that there will come a time in which there will be different denominations. Every fight, every killing, every force conversion was done in the name of Christianity.

Why did Reno decided to situate it as a Catholic thing and not Christian thing? Some of the wars were fought politically to conquer territories, why did Reno decided to emphasize on Catholic? At that time, the religion of the emperor is usually the religion of his subjects, and if an emperor is a Christian, he will most likely force everyone to be Christian. Why did Reno used Catholicism instead of CHRISTIANITY?

The answer is simple, to make you see how bad and evil Catholic Church is. If not, instead of saying "No other religion has been spread by violence as Catholicism", he would have said "No other religion has been spread by violence as CHRISTIANITY."

But he knows that if he had said so, it will also indict him. So, to exonerate himself from a history that is largely a history of all of us Christians, it was safe for him to use "Catholic." How smart!

Gbam! Also if not being blind and/or a hypocrite arent there genocide in the Bible, lol? Arent there read in the Bible complete destruction and obliteration, mass slaughter of people, upon the without asking questions back divine command of God, lol?

ochibuogwu5:
Yet, and very ironical,

The "Catholic church" collected together what we have today as the bible. But when talking about it, we don't say Catholic but Christians.

It was during the dark ages that the structure of what we have today as collages and universities was made, thanks to Catholic monks. But we won't look at it as Catholic instead we will prefer Christians.

It was at that period still that we got the calendar we are using today, some of the greatest breaks in science, art, painting etc came at that time by Catholics. But do we call them Catholic? No! We say Christians.

As typical of us, once it is good, it belongs to us. Once it is not, it belongs to them.
Truth be told, some of the things that happened that era were very terrible of which the church has even apologized. Still, it is important we understand that at that time people saw it as something heroic to fight and die for what they believe in. Their faith was so sacred to be toiled with. That same concept is still in Islam, that is why someone can kill you for insulting the prophet and feel good because he is doing it for God.

Recently, how many of us wanted to burn down Netflix because they presented Jesus as gay? Did you not read where pastors were advocating for boycott as a sign of being a child of God? How many signed a petition against Netflix? More than 2Million. Now, compare our 21st century reaction to that simple event to how it would have been in the 13th century, then you will understand that what we condemn is largely in all of us.

Again, there was this fear and threat of Christianity going into extinction. The Islamic world was coming forcefully. Have you asked yourself what has happened to great cities in the bible like Ephesus, Constantinople, even Antioch in which the followers of Christ where first called Christians? Can you find Christians there today? Those cities are now 99% Islam.

Even the whole idea of forceful conversion was as a result of what they believed. To them, and even till today, we see those who are not followers of Christ or "born again" as people destined for hell. So anything we can do to convert them so that they will be saved, is seen as heroic.

People go to Catholic Churches to convert the members because to them, they are doing a great work of saving them whom they consider as already condemned to hell. Catholics too, do the same.

Imagine that in your house, your 7 year old child decided not to go to church and he say to you that God does not exist. As a typical Nigeria church parent, what do you think will happen to that child?

Is that not the same thing emperors of those days who have powers over everyone in his territory did? Today, we will call it forceful conversion, but we forget we too have that tendencies (though subtle) once the person is under us.

The truth remains that no denomination today started from the scratch, except the denomination now known as the Catholic Church. Is it Anglican that started in 1534 and took so many things from the Catholic? Or Calvinist of 1536? Or Methodist of 1784? Or the Adventist Churches of 1840s? Or even Pentecostal churches of which they all started from 1990s?
Martin Luther after breaking away from the church founded his own church on 31st October 1517. What that means is that what we called the Catholic Church existed alone for ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED AND SEVENTEEN YEARS. Look at today, just within the space of 500 years, we have lost count of the number of denominations in our world.

We accept that in the history of the church, there were mistakes, there were terrible things, there were learning and growth also. But still, the history of the Catholic Church is the history of CHRISTIANITY. Whatever affects her, affects all.

Let's focus more on what unites us, not what divides us.

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harmonyAris:
This Rev Fr is part of our problem I'm Nigeria. Reno stated some thought provoking facts about catholism but instead of you to state some counter facts you resort to attacking Reno personally. How about you tell is why catholic do things obviously against what the bible stated, like the "father issue", the "veneration of mary" and so on

Pot calling kettle black, like as if penterascals dont have Daddy GO/Mummy GO, some penterascals are so important and powerful demigods they slap defenceless little girl(s) etcetera, lol

MuttleyLaff:
ikorodureporta, fyi, Reno Omokirikiri is a big fat shameless liar, it was the church father Saint Ignatius of Antioch in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans, who first used the phrase "ekklesia katholicos" which when translated to English turns into "Catholic Church".

As could be seen from my above mentions from two other different threads, it is Saint Ignatius of Antioch, a disciple of Apostle, who coined the phrase "ekklesia katholicos" and to mean the called out ones universally, in distinct to the local, town or city assemblies called out ones.

As a matter of fact, the first use of the word "Catholic" was by this man, Saint Ignatius of Antioch, in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans

So contrary to what Reno Omokirikiri is saying, that the word Catholic means "all embracing" and with false humility pleading to please go check the dictionary for the meaning of the word "Catholic", in case he lied, well Reno lied, and its a barefaced lie because the word "katholicos or katholikos" first is Greek in origin, or if "catholicus" then Latin in origin, and does not mean anything and/or does not anywhere close mean "all embracing." Saint Ignatius of Antioch coined the phrase used to mean the church "on the whole", to mean the church "according to the whole" or the church "in general".

It will interest anyone wanting to know, that the word katholicos or katholikos" is a combination of the Greek words "kata" meaning "about" and "holos" meaning "whole", so in effect, the originator of the phrase, Saint Ignatius of Antioch, is saying he is writing about the church in the whole, when he used the phrase in his "The Epistle of St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans"

Reno Omokirikiri, is not really on about Catholicism, he cares less about Catholicism, what Reno Omokirikiri was doing and going at great lengths while at it, is sneakingly trying to put it out there in the public domain space, that he has blue blood flowing in his veins, that as he has the Olu of Warri royalty blood flowing in him, then he is to be looked at, as a person of noble birth, lol.

It is very easy to read Reno like a book, this all thanks to his past unsavoury antecedents, lol. I am sure this latest one is not going to be the last of them, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
As I previously had typed, it was Saint Ignatius of Antioch, in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans (i.e. the ''Epistle of St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans'') who first coined the phrase "ekklesia katholicos," used to mean, the church "on the whole", to mean the church "according to the whole" or the church "in general". It would have been lazy and irresponsible of me to leave readership mystified, by not providing a little backdrop of whats behind the word "ekklesia katholicos,"

The fact of being untrue, incorrect and/or insincere, the untruthfulness in how Reno said what is the meaning of word, stood out like a big fat sore thumb. He even had the cheek to tell people to go check the dictionary for the meaning. Is it from the English dictionary, that Saint Ignatius of Antioch coined the "ekklesia katholicos," phrase from ni, hmm?

The meaning of the word "katholicos," according to what Reno said it was, is an indisputable big fat lie. Catholic, better still "katholicos," according to Reno's definition, does not as he puts it, mean "all embracing" period.

He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. I am not going to trade words with you listing errors, the tribulations, the scamming, staged healing miracles, the misogyny and/or mistrust of women, the sense of entitlement culture, obligatory or imposed ecclesiastical monitised tithing, prejudice(s) and bigotry etcetera in the penterascal circles, which Reno himself, a self-styled pastor, is prominent in, lol

Reno has enough on his penterascal plate to look into and so should face straight front, mind his own penterascal affairs and just already leave the Catholics alone in peace, lol,

We have got the gist Reno, that blue blood runs in your veins, lol, thank you for the unneccesary and/or unsolicited information, lol. Everyone that is anyone, knows Reno Omokirikiri. If you know Reno, you know Reno. Who no know Reno, no go know Reno.

God bless auntie Toyin Ojora-Saraki, lol.

I agree totally with the original post without demur that I just had to like it, lol

MuttleyLaff:
Gbam! Also if not being blind and/or a hypocrite arent there genocide in the Bible, lol? Arent there read in the Bible complete destruction and obliteration, mass slaughter of people, upon the without asking questions back divine command of God, lol?




Pot calling kettle black, like as if penterascals dont have Daddy GO/Mummy GO, some penterascals are so important and powerful demigods they slap defenceless little girl(s) etcetera, lol



I agree totally with the original post without demur that I just had to like it, lol

My dear muttleylaff, please close your eyes, take a 4-2-4 breath. Now picture yourself in the shoes of the dead victims, would you even think that the so called God of Love who says he loves you in sin or righteousness could kill your daughter, son, wife, husband and tribesmen. Do you think a benevolent creature would spread his rule with tyrann..

Do not reply as muttleylaff, I want you to reply as a man whose dead daughter is dieing slowly with each breath, her chest bleeds from the sword a holy man of God struck through her. Feel her warm blood running through your arms, look around, hear the screams of yourtribes men, hear the faint voices of dieing people gasping for breath. Listen to the melody of the sword as it digs into flesh , hear the roar of your conquerors, listen to the rage of the blood spilled begging for vengeance.

There stands the man who struck your daughter dead, he slit your wife's throat, burnt your home to ashes. Take a good look at this jewish man, tell me what do you take him to be?? You never offended any of them. You've never known him. What is this man and what is his God?

kkins25:
My dear muttleylaff, please close your eyes, take a 4-2-4 breath

My dear sire, shouldn't you be jollificating with rice, turkey and sipping glasses of wine in a well cool air conditioned environment ni?.

kkins25:
Now picture yourself in the shoes of the dead victims, would you even think that the so called God of Love who says he loves you in sin or righteousness could kill your daughter, son, wife, husband and tribesmen.

The Creator can do and undo wuith His creation/created

kkins25:
Do you think a benevolent creature would spread his rule with tyranny

kkins25, no I dont think a benevolent being, especially if its God would spread His rule with tyranny. That is not God's modus operandi.

kkins25:
Do not reply as muttleylaff

OK, I'll try not to

kkins25:
I want you to reply as a man whose dead daughter is dieing slowly with each breath, her chest bleeds from the sword a holy man of God struck through her. Feel her warm blood running through your arms, look around, hear the screams of your tribes men, hear the faint voices of dieing people gasping for breath. Listen to the melody of the sword as it digs into flesh, hear the roar of your conquerors, listen to the rage of the blood spilled begging for vengeance.

There stands the man who struck your daughter dead, he slit your wife's throat, burnt your home to ashes. Take a good look at this jewish man, tell me what do you take him to be?

kkins25, aw, c'mon now, get a grip man

kkins25:
You never offended any of them. You've never known him. What is this man and what is his God?

His god would have to be powerful than my God, for any of this to possibly happen. kkins25 all this, is just too hypothetical speaking and wishful thinking to give a genuine response to. Sorry

ikorodureporta:
Part 2..


Yesterday, I wrote on Catholicism and a Catholic responded by saying that Catholicism spread throughout the world because of its wide acceptability, unlike Islam that was spread by Jihad. I don’t just study religion, I research it. No other religion has been spread by violence as Catholicism. To give you a little insight, The Frankish king Charlemagne forcefully converted the Germanic tribes of Europe into Catholicism during the Saxon wars and massacred whole tribes that refused to convert. That is why Germany is majorly Catholic today. It was not by choice. The Baltic and Slavic nations were forcefully converted to Catholicism during the Northern crusades. During the Spanish Inquisition, Jews and Muslims had two options: Forceful conversion or exile from Spain and Portugal. At a point in time, you could not even buy and sell in much of Europe if you were not a Catholic. But the worst was what the Spanish conquistadors did in South America. That was beyond forceful conversion to Catholicism. That was genocide, the like of which the world has never seen before or after then. Whole races were wiped off the face of planet Earth, and millennia old civilisations, including the Inca and Aztec, were destroyed in the forced Catholicism of Latin America. A similar situation existed in Goa, where the Portuguese forcefully converted Asiatic people. It is the height of ignorance to claim that Islam is violent and other religions are not. More people have been killed in an attempt to forcefully Christianise them, than have been killed in Islamic Jihads. Sadly, some of the most murderous Crusades were actually instigated, paid for and directed by the Catholic Church. These are sad facts of history. The major problem of the Black man, however, is that he does not study, and as a result, it is so easy to deceive him. I remember when I pastored a church in Abuja, I talked about how Nigeria needs to apologise to the Igbos for the massacres of the Nigerian Civil War, and one of my congregants, who is older than me, was shocked. He said “pastor, you mean there was a civil war in Nigeria before?” HIV and malaria are not the biggest diseases in Africa. Ignorance is the number one disease of Africa!

Reno Omokri

Gospeller. Deep Thinker. #1 Bestselling author of Facts Versus Fiction: The True Story of the Jonathan Years. Avid traveller. Hollywood Magazine Film Festival Humanitarian of the Year, 2019.

Won't be surprised if someone proves that Islam learnt from catholics

harmonyAris:


Your attempts to sound knowledgeable make you appear desperate hence more stupid(no malice)
Giving me the history of the origin of the word ekklesia has no relation with what I intended to research about them. That word wasn't the major point that reno talked about.
His major points were
1. "Catholic being an encompassing religion"

2. Directly disobeying the Christ's precedence in the case of calling fellow man "father" "rev father", "pope which also means father"

3. "The veneration of Mary and so called saints"

4. "Supposedly worshipping God through carved images"

5. "Compulsorily forbidden marriage as a criteria in their enlistment" (so called priestship)

6. "Their claim to be infallible" (one or a group who does no wrong)

7. "And having 73 books instead of 66 popularly accepted

All these are in direct struggles with what Christ or his disciples taught.

(what Reno Omokirikiri was doing and going at great lengths while at it, is sneakingly trying to put it out there in the public domain space, that he has blue blood flowing in his veins, that as he has the Olu of Warri royalty blood flowing in him, then he is to be looked at, as a person of noble birth, lol. It is very easy to read Reno like a book, this)

The above statement makes you sound vain, proud and restrainable to shifting your paradigm. Deep down you knew this wasn't Renos intention but you would make it so to make your idea believeable. Questioning your believing doesnt make you susceptible, it rather gives clarity. As long as u don't renounce it, you come out more affirmed.

Corazon is a twitterian I like very much. Thanks

Lol you really pointed out something

MuttleyLaff on just one less meaningfull point alone, which didn't prove contrary to what Reno was talking about, still called him a liar. Amazing

If Reno made an error, does that make him a liar, an error that doesn't even disprove his points

MuttleyLaff:
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I must have stepped hard on a raw nerve, lol, so much hard enough, to make you this strongly unhappy to spit out this much vile temper and venom, lol. Peele, Ndo, lol.

I wasnt giving you a history per se my dear, I was giving you the train of thought to see how I got to the "• the ante-Nicene (i.e. before Nicaea) period - about the likes of Ignatius and his "ekklesia katholicos" phrase, he was a disciple of the apostle John" important section that relates to the word Catholic that Reno had the fact wrong about.

As I previously had typed, it was Saint Ignatius of Antioch, in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans (i.e. the ''Epistle of St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans'') who first coined the phrase "ekklesia katholicos," used to mean, the church "on the whole", to mean the church "according to the whole" or the church "in general". It would have been lazy and irresponsible of me to leave you and my readership mystified by not providing a little backdrop of whats behind the word "ekklesia katholicos,"

The fact of being untrue, incorrect and/or insincere, the untruthfulness in how Reno said what is the meaning of word, stood out like a big fat sore thumb. He even had the cheek to tell people to go check the dictionary for the meaning. Is it from the English dictionary, that Saint Ignatius of Antioch coined the "ekklesia katholicos," phrase from ni, hmm?

The meaning of the word "katholicos," according to what Reno said it was, is an indisputable big fat lie. Catholic, better still "katholicos," according to Reno's definition, does not as he puts it, mean "all embracing" period.

He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. I am not going to trade words with you listing errors, the tribulations, the scamming, staged healing miracles, the misogyny and/or mistrust of women, the sense of entitlement culture, obligatory or imposed ecclesiastical monitised tithing, prejudice(s) and bigotry etcetera in the penterascal circles, which Reno himself, a self-styled pastor, is prominent in, lol

Reno has enough on his penterascal plate to look into and so should face straight front, mind his own penterascal affairs and just already leave the Catholics alone in peace, lol,

We have got the gist Reno, that blue blood runs in your veins, lol, thank you for the unneccesary and/or unsolicited information, lol. Everyone that is anyone, knows Reno Omokirikiri. If you know Reno, you know Reno. Who no know Reno, no go know Reno. God bless auntie Toyin Ojora-Saraki, lol.

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Wow, I am surprised she is. You could have fooled me that Corazon is a twitterian.

It is obvious you like Corazon, which is why my question was asking, why are you into Corazon Kwamboka that much enough, to have her, as your profile picture. Why not tell me something I dont already know, huh?

You still attacking Reno, instead of addressing the issues he raised

First off in your long writing you didn't state how both definitions are different

If your basing your difference on source, so because the guy knew apostle john does he have the right to coin a word.

Why did he coin the word. You also didn't state clearly where he coined the word from

If you really want to focus on that singular word and face reno then instead of a long epistle state something obvious.

Like they mean different things. (Like "ALL" and "WHOLE"

So is the English dictionary lying

ochibuogwu5:
An Open Response to Reno Omokri on His Attack On the Catholic Church

Dear Reno Omokri,

Your post of December 18 2019 titled "Some Facts About The First State Sponsored Church", was written under the guise of helping some of your Catholic fans with analysis of the Catholic Church. Because you called lies fact, I have decided to point out your lies and show you what facts really look like.

To adequately do this, I will respond to every paragraph of that post.

First Paragraph From Reno Omokri:

"Some of my Catholic followers have asked me to do an analysis of their church. I find their use of the word ‘our church’ almost ironical because they do not know my history. Not only was I once a Catholic, my mother, and my grandfather were both Catholics. As a matter of fact, the first place Catholicism came to in Nigeria is a place called Ode-Itsekiri, which all true born Itsekiri know as Big Warri. Augustinian Monks set up the first Catholic mission in Nigeria there in 1555. My grandfather was an Olu of Warri. I can trace my bloodline and Catholic origin up to Olu Atuwatse I (AKA Dom Domingos), who in 1648 became the first university graduate in West Africa, as well as the first Christian to be crowned Olu of Warri."

Response:

It is very beautiful that some of your Catholic followers could in sincerity ask you to do an analysis of "their Church." I guess they trusted you so much as one who is knowledgeable in giving a sincere analysis, even though they do not know that the words "sincere analysis" are actually not compatible with you when it comes to the Catholic Church.

You know that it is funny for children to ask a stranger whom they meet on the street to tell them the story of how their mother gave birth to them instead of asking their mother or a relative directly, so you cunningly inserted yourself into the picture as a Catholic with Catholic origin so that your so called analysis will be seen as true. Nice one! This is why you started tracing the history you read up, finding a way to put your father and grandfather and great-grandfather into it. But you forgot something.

The history of how Catholicism first came to Nigeria has nothing to do with your mother and grandfather becoming Catholics. This is because, the missionary activities of the Portuguese in Itsekiri land when they first came as far back as 1555 was highly unsuccessful. It was until 1914 and specifically 1916 that Catholicism took root in Warri through the effort of an Italian and a French priest. We are talking of almost 360 years difference here from 1555 to 1914.

The Olu Atuwatse 1 also known as Dom Domingo whom you mentioned, was actually sent to Portugal by the Portuguese missionary to train as a priest, but he did not meet up with the requirements of being a priest because he got married to a Portuguese woman. He studied at the Portuguese Premiere University of Coimbra from 1600 – 1611. Thus, he became the first African graduate. At his return, he became the seventh Olu Of Warri who reigned from about 1625-1643 AD.

The Catholicism your grandfather and mother got converted into was what was planted around 1914, that was 359 years after the Portuguese missionaries first came to Ode-tsekiri.

So, bringing the story of the first missionary in a bid to do an analysis to your Catholic followers on "their Church" does not say anything other than to make them feel you are credible, when you are not. Also to prove that you are knowledgeable in history, whereas you only succeeded in copying from the book written by Samuel U. Erivwo, Ph.D. on the "History of Christianity In Nigeria: THE URHOBO, THE ISOKO, AND THE ITSEKIRI." A book published in 1979. That is not scholarship my dear pastor Reno Omokri.

The Second, Third, and Fourth Paragraphs

"It is just that I can’t tell my followers the truth about the Catholic Church. I have so many Catholic followers and I do not want to upset them. But what I will say openly, and which you can verify from your priest, is the fact that the Catholic Church does not even pretend to be a Christian church. The Catholic Church is a ROMAN church. The official name of the church is The Holy Roman Catholic Church. Go and investigate this.

"What does the terminology The Holy Roman Catholic Church mean? The word Roman means it is of Ancient Roman origin. The word Catholic means ‘all embracing’. Please check the dictionary, in case I have lied to you.

"The Holy Roman Catholic Church is a Roman Church put together to embrace all the religions of Ancient Rome in one religion as a way of bringing the Roman Empire closer together and prevent it from disintegrating because of the threat posed to it by early Christians, who refused to give up their faith, despite harsh persecution."

Response:

These three paragraphs are just laughable. You really ended up showing so much ignorance.

You were right when you said you cannot tell your followers the truth about the Catholic Church, because you will prefer to tell them lies. That is what you did in that post.

The big question in these paragraphs is centered on The Roman Catholic Church. Why is it called the "Roman" Catholic Church? I still cannot understand how you managed to twist this simple fact about why it is called the Roman Catholic Church. It is so myopic of you.

First, the word Catholic is derived from the Greek adjective καθολικός (katholikos), or Latin 'catholicus' meaning "universal." I can understand why you decided to use "all embracing" to mean Catholic, because you want us to see that the Catholic Church was primary established to embrace all the religions of ancient Rome. But you were not very smart. I will show you why.

When the word "Catholic" is not used in the ecclesiastical sense, it can still mean, all-embracing, of general interest, liberal, having broad interests, or wide sympathies, or inclusive. Someone can even look at a large crowd and say, "this crowd is Catholic", just to mean that the crowd is much.

Again, St Ignatius of Antioch is credited to have been the first to used the word "Catholic" far back in 110AD in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans. Remind me again when Rome came into the picture in the Catholic Church? 313 AD. The church has been called "Catholic" for more than 200 years even before it was adopted as state religion in Rome. It was not called Catholic because it aimed at embracing all the religions in Rome, it was called Catholic because it is universal. St Ignatius of Antioch did not even conceive or thought of Rome as we know it today before he called the church Catholic. How do you write lies and still sleep at night?

Now to the big question in those paragraphs: Why is the church called Roman Catholic?

We all know that the Catholic Church is made up of the Western rite/Latin rite and the Eastern rite/ Orthodox rite. The Nigeria church belongs to the Western rite. The term "Roman" catholic is used to refer to the Latin or Western rite as different from eastern or othordox rites.

The term Roman Catholic was used mainly by English-speaking Protestants. It was part of their attempt to portray the pope as the leader of just a faction of Christianity, as if he was the same as the monarch of England, who was the head of the Anglican community.

As with many terms that start out as an insult but later are embraced and adopted by the group they were aimed at, Catholics in the West over time have used the term to show their union with the Holy Father.

However, the more accurate title is the Latin Church, whereas the Roman Church technically refers to the diocese of Rome.

Is this too difficult to understand?

The Fifth Paragraph

"Many of the practices of the The Holy Roman Catholic Church are pagan practices from Roman religions. Mathew 23:9 says “call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven”, yet, you call Catholic priests, Father. Why? Because the origin was with Ancient Roman religions were they called the priests Father. The Pope is himself called ‘Holy Father’ in contravention of Matthew 23:9. We have only One Holy Father, as Matthew 23:9 teaches. Even the word Pope means Father (it originates from the Greek word Pappas, which means Father)."

Response:

I can't believe this was even written by you Mr Reno. When you hate people for just no reason, you will even begin to advance arguments that are directly against you.

Ask Reno, do his children call him Daddy? Do they refer to him as Father? Ask Pentecostals, do they call their pastors Daddy? Do they refer to the wife of their pastors as Mummy? Now to all of us, how many of us call the man that gave birth to us Father, how many of us call the woman that gave birth to us mother?

So remember, the bible says "call NO MAN your father upon the earth." Matt 23:9.

So why do we still call people father or teacher?

This is what I usually say to you all, knowing bible is not about quoting every passage. People do harm to the bible anytime they quote a verse out of its context. Biblical interpretation and exegesis demand a lot. You must be able to understand the passage in its original language, its context, its audience, author, when was it written, even the culture at that time. If not, you will fail. And Omokri, with all his acclaimed titles has not only failed, but woefully.

We cannot interpret Matthew 23:9 as prohibiting reference to dads or priests as "fathers" without contradicting other scriptural passages in which the word "father" is used. Such an interpretation would render the commandment "honor your father" meaningless and would diminish the authority of the apostles and their successors.

There is a deeper meaning to what Christ was teaching, and the context if we read the entire passage, we will see that it is not merely literal. Jesus was simply addressing the hypocrisy of the scribes and Pharisees and why we should not call them "father" in the same sense that we call God 'Father'.

The sixth Paragraph

"1 Timothy 4:3 warned that religions will come later that “forbid people to marry”. Your Catholic priests do not marry, not because of Scripture, but because the priests of Ancient Rome were largely eunuchs, so they could be no threat to Caesar’s power. They claim Peter was the first Pope. Not only is that false, but the fact is that Peter was married. “When Jesus came into Peter's house, he saw Peter's mother-in-law”-Matthew 8:14."

Response:

We fall back again to the age old argument of why Priests don't marry. According to Reno "Your Catholic priests do not marry, NOT BECAUSE OF SCRIPTURE, but because the priests of Ancient Rome were largely eunuchs, so they could be no threat to Caesar’s power."

LIE! A BIG LIE!

I take myself as an example. I am not married as a priest and that is because of the Kingdom of God following the words of Christ in Matthew 19:12:

"Some are born as eunuchs, some have been made eunuchs by others, and some CHOOSE NOT TO MARRY FOR THE SAKE OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. Let anyone accept this who can.”

Then even St Paul that you quoted in 1 Timothy 4:3 that he warned of the religion that will come later and forbid people from marrying, was still the same St Paul that wrote 1 Corinthians 7:7-8 addressing the unmarried to remain unmarried like himself.

"For I would prefer it if you were all like myself. But each person has his proper gift from God: one in this way, yet another in that way. But I say to the unmarried and to widows: It is good for them, if they would remain as they are, just as I also am."

What do you make of what St Paul said in 1 Corinthians and what he said to Timothy juxtaposing it with his own unmarried state?

What is the point of all these? Simple, every scripture must be understood in its context. I have said this Before. The bible must be understood wholly, when interpreting scripture, one verse should not contradict another especially if it was said by same author.

But I understand, you cannot see this because of your hatred for the Catholic Church. To you, everything must be interpreted into pagan and it appears that giving the church a bad name makes you excited.

By the way, Peter is seen as the first Pope because Christ gave him the keys of the church and made him the head (Matthew 16:18- 19.) It is not about his marital status. Being married is inconsequential here. There was a time that priests, bishops were marrying in the Catholic Church. Even Catholic priests of the Eastern rites are allowed to marry. And if tomorrow the Catholic Church of the Western rite (the Roman Catholic) decides that her priests will be marrying, it does not affect the validity of the sacraments they celebrate.

So pastor Reno or whatever name you like to be called, why are you so paranoid?

Concluding Paragraphs

Your last paragraphs are about the use of images and the honour Catholics give to Mary. These arguments are not new. We have said it many times, Catholics do not worship Mary or any image. Now the question they now ask is, why do we have those images? Yet when I wrote against taking pictures of people to Shiloh for prayers, it was the same people that attacked me that those pictures are meant to help them connect. Then I gave up. Are we not all doing the same thing? Can't we see that as humans, we necessarily need images to connect? Even if you don't have a physical image, people still carry images of how God look like in their head, how Angels look like, how heaven look like.

Reno Omokiri is one writer I don't take all his words seriously. When he hates you, he is never objective. I do not sincerely fancy him. But if anyone must read him, ensure you have a filter in your head to sieve out the lies from the facts.

Written by Fr Kelvin Ugwu MSP

you tried in your responses I must say

But then again some of your responses where based on comparing catholic religion to pentecostal or protestant religion especially when you couldn't find scripture to support your defense.

But then again, a far better response but calling what he wrote a lie still doesn't make your defense completely truthful.

ochibuogwu5:
The Claim That The Catholic Church Have Killed More People Than Islam

Following my post addressing Reno Omokiri's attack on the Catholic Church, a friend by name Matthew, posted this on the comment section.

"The only area you didn't throw light on is that area that Reno claimed that the Catholic have killed more people than the Islam. I will like to be tutored on that Padre." .

Dear Matthew Enyigwe

I ignored that part of Reno's claim simply because there is always this issue between us Christians which I personally don't like: the denominational fight amongst us.

When the story coming out from one Christian denomination favours us as good, we all immediately realise we are Christians. When the story does not favour us, we no longer remember that we are Christians, our emphasis will now be on denomination. Note this, we all are guilty of this.

I decided to finally say something on that part because your question came across as someone who is truly willing to learn.

The era in which Reno Omokiri was making allusion to is generally referred to as the dark ages, for obvious reasons.

According to Reno Omokiri, "No other religion has been spread by violence as Catholicism."

Key word: CATHOLICISM.

Concerning the Saxon wars of 772–804 AD, Reno Omokiri said:

"The Frankish king Charlemagne forcefully converted the Germanic tribes of Europe into Catholicism during the Saxon wars and massacred whole tribes that refused to convert."

Key word: CATHOLICISM.

Concerning the North crusade of 1260-1410 AD, Reno said:

"The Baltic and Slavic nations were forcefully converted to Catholicism during the Northern crusades."

Key word again: CATHOLICISM

Concerning the Spanish Inquisition of 1478 AD, Reno said:

"During the Spanish Inquisition, Jews and Muslims had two options: Forceful conversion or exile from Spain and Portugal. At a point in time, you could not even buy and sell in much of Europe if you were not a Catholic."

Key word: CATHOLIC.

Concerning what the Spanish conquistadors did in South America from 1492 AD which was even more political can religious, Reno said:

"That was beyond forceful conversion to Catholicism. That was genocide, the like of which the world has never seen before or after then. Whole races were wiped off the face of planet Earth.

Key word again: CATHOLICISM.

If you are an objective student of History, and even if you read up by yourself all those stories of killings Reno alluded to, one thing you will notice is that all those places he used the word "Catholicism" the appropriate word is "Christianity."

If you noticed, I indicated the dates of those wars or killings to point out something. Within that period, there was nothing like Catholic, or Lutheran, or Anglican, or Methodist, or any Church in terms of denomination in the way we understand it now. Lutheran became the first after Catholic in 1517. People did not even know that there will come a time in which there will be different denominations. Every fight, every killing, every force conversion was done in the name of Christianity.

Why did Reno decided to situate it as a Catholic thing and not Christian thing? Some of the wars were fought politically to conquer territories, why did Reno decided to emphasize on Catholic? At that time, the religion of the emperor is usually the religion of his subjects, and if an emperor is a Christian, he will most likely force everyone to be Christian. Why did Reno used Catholicism instead of CHRISTIANITY?

The answer is simple, to make you see how bad and evil Catholic Church is. If not, instead of saying "No other religion has been spread by violence as Catholicism", he would have said "No other religion has been spread by violence as CHRISTIANITY."

But he knows that if he had said so, it will also indict him. So, to exonerate himself from a history that is largely a history of all of us Christians, it was safe for him to use "Catholic." How smart!

Yet, and very ironical,

The "Catholic church" collected together what we have today as the bible. But when talking about it, we don't say Catholic but Christians.

It was during the dark ages that the structure of what we have today as collages and universities was made, thanks to Catholic monks. But we won't look at it as Catholic instead we will prefer Christians.

It was at that period still that we got the calendar we are using today, some of the greatest breaks in science, art, painting etc came at that time by Catholics. But do we call them Catholic? No! We say Christians.

As typical of us, once it is good, it belongs to us. Once it is not, it belongs to them.

Truth be told, some of the things that happened that era were very terrible of which the church has even apologized. Still, it is important we understand that at that time people saw it as something heroic to fight and die for what they believe in. Their faith was so sacred to be toiled with. That same concept is still in Islam, that is why someone can kill you for insulting the prophet and feel good because he is doing it for God.

Recently, how many of us wanted to burn down Netflix because they presented Jesus as gay? Did you not read where pastors were advocating for boycott as a sign of being a child of God? How many signed a petition against Netflix? More than 2Million. Now, compare our 21st century reaction to that simple event to how it would have been in the 13th century, then you will understand that what we condemn is largely in all of us.

Again, there was this fear and threat of Christianity going into extinction. The Islamic world was coming forcefully. Have you asked yourself what has happened to great cities in the bible like Ephesus, Constantinople, even Antioch in which the followers of Christ where first called Christians? Can you find Christians there today? Those cities are now 99% Islam.

Even the whole idea of forceful conversion was as a result of what they believed. To them, and even till today, we see those who are not followers of Christ or "born again" as people destined for hell. So anything we can do to convert them so that they will be saved, is seen as heroic.

People go to Catholic Churches to convert the members because to them, they are doing a great work of saving them whom they consider as already condemned to hell. Catholics too, do the same.

Imagine that in your house, your 7 year old child decided not to go to church and he say to you that God does not exist. As a typical Nigeria church parent, what do you think will happen to that child?

Is that not the same thing emperors of those days who have powers over everyone in his territory did? Today, we will call it forceful conversion, but we forget we too have that tendencies (though subtle) once the person is under us.

The truth remains that no denomination today started from the scratch, except the denomination now known as the Catholic Church. Is it Anglican that started in 1534 and took so many things from the Catholic? Or Calvinist of 1536? Or Methodist of 1784? Or the Adventist Churches of 1840s? Or even Pentecostal churches of which they all started from 1990s?

Martin Luther after breaking away from the church founded his own church on 31st October 1517. What that means is that what we called the Catholic Church existed alone for ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED AND SEVENTEEN YEARS. Look at today, just within the space of 500 years, we have lost count of the number of denominations in our world.

We accept that in the history of the church, there were mistakes, there were terrible things, there were learning and growth also. But still, the history of the Catholic Church is the history of CHRISTIANITY. Whatever affects her, affects all.

Let's focus more on what unites us, not what divides us.

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Now this post's defense is soo hilarious, but states some obviously mindset of people.

But anyway there is no excuse for being religious.

All these excuses given above are amazing.

Oh I thought historians records other church bodies in Ethiopian and etc

No true child of God would ever do what Catholics or any denomination whether past or present do that goes against God's nature, after the death of Christ.

People were and are still being manipulated by the things their so called religious leaders tell them, instead of actually asking God or seeking scripture to know if they are being mislead.

The blind trust that existed then still exists today.

solite3:
what Reno wrote is correct, Roman catholic Church is NOT A christian Church. Christians do not venerates Mary or other saints or angels only pagans do it.
God said do not make images to bow to but these and many more abomination are what Roman catholic church encourages. If you are a Christian you shouldn't encourage demonic teachings or practices.

2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

But wait o, are "christians" even children of God



so many new age Jews, with that religious entitlement mentality