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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Nobody: 8:17pm On Dec 21, 2019
wirinet:
Abeg make una follow me laugh small, Trump the Jesus of our time, who can do no wrong according to Republicans and white Christian evangelicals cannot quote a single verse from the bible;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERUngQUCsyE

I wonder if he had even read the bible.
Hahaha

'It's very personal, I don't want to get into it'
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GalaticHorde: 12:31pm On Dec 22, 2019
Timbuktuo:
So, basically the ‘plaintiffs’ could not prove their case beyond reasonable doubt, aka, Not Guilty of collusion.

Obstruction is another kettle of fish which is irrelevant to delve into. Basically, the Mueller camp did not find Trump guilty of collusion. After investigations and trials, there is either a conviction or an acquittal and Grump was acquitted.

If you and your goons feel Trump colluded you’re free to pursue the matter in court. But as far as I am concerned Trymp has been exonerated kiss
yes at bolded, due to obstructive stonewalling
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GalaticHorde: 12:35pm On Dec 22, 2019
Is the insignia for trumps space force going to be two crossed bone spurs surrounded by stars?pornstars preferably ? cheesy cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by wirinet(m): 1:39pm On Dec 22, 2019
Timbuktuo:
So, basically the ‘plaintiffs’ could not prove their case beyond reasonable doubt, aka, Not Guilty of collusion.

Obstruction is another kettle of fish which is irrelevant to delve into. Basically, the Mueller camp did not find Trump guilty of collusion. After investigations and trials, there is either a conviction or an acquittal and Grump was acquitted.

If you and your goons feel Trump colluded you’re free to pursue the matter in court. But as far as I am concerned Trymp has been exonerated kiss
How can the plaintive prove the case beyond reasonable doubt When the defendant refuse to come to court, refuse to allow witnesses to testify and refuse to hand over evidence in its possession. It's like murder suspect refusing to come to court to testify, refuse to allow actual witnesses to come to court to testify and keeps the murder weapon in his cupboard, but refuses to hand it over to the police. He then shouts "no evidence of murder" when the prosecution says they don't have enough evidence to prove murder beyond reasonable doubt.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Nobody: 3:52pm On Dec 22, 2019
wirinet:
How can the plaintive prove the case beyond reasonable doubt When the defendant refuse to come to court, refuse to allow witnesses to testify and refuse to hand over evidence in its possession. It's like murder suspect refusing to come to court to testify, refuse to allow actual witnesses to come to court to testify and keeps the murder weapon in his cupboard, but refuses to hand it over to the police. He then shouts "no evidence of murder" when the prosecution says they don't have enough evidence to prove murder beyond reasonable doubt.
Exactly! If Trump truly has nothing to hide, witnesses should be allowed to testify. It is as simple as that.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by garetz: 7:04pm On Dec 22, 2019
RATINGS COLLAPSE: Latest Democrat Debate Draws Smallest Audience So Far

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/12/ratings-collapse-latest-democrat-debate-draws-smallest-audience-so-far/


They should just throw Trump in the middle to debate them all. What would it accomplish?
1) Increased ratings
2) Actually interesting and entertaining
3)He would mop the floor with them all
4) MAGA grin
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by garetz: 7:16pm On Dec 22, 2019
Did you know:

The Trump Administration consisted of more women as top advisers than Obama, Bush, or Clinton

Yet the mainstream media calls him a misogynisthuh
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by garetz: 7:19pm On Dec 22, 2019
Average increase in household income for middle class families:

Under George W. Bush: $400 in 8 years

Under Barack Obama: $1,000 in 8 years

Under Donald Trump: $5,000

...In just TWO AND A HALF years!
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by garetz: 7:24pm On Dec 22, 2019
Eminem told every Trump supporter to go f**k themselves. The left praised him, calling him “powerful”, “brave” and “heroic”

Kanye told every American to think for themselves. The left attacked him, calling him “mentally ill” and “Uncle Tom”

See the problem?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 8:03pm On Dec 22, 2019
wirinet:
How can the plaintive prove the case beyond reasonable doubt When the defendant refuse to come to court, refuse to allow witnesses to testify and refuse to hand over evidence in its possession. It's like murder suspect refusing to come to court to testify, refuse to allow actual witnesses to come to court to testify and keeps the murder weapon in his cupboard, but refuses to hand it over to the police. He then shouts "no evidence of murder" when the prosecution says they don't have enough evidence to prove murder beyond reasonable doubt.
Excuse me, but this sounds like "I fought the law and won". Is it not the plaintiffs duty to get the evidence and not that of the perpetrator to hand over evidence of their crime?

Still, contrary to the "aka" of Timbuktuo you responded to, the plaintiff does not determine "Guilty of collusion". The plaintiff just presents the evidence they accuse the perpetrator of. The judge or jury determines guilt, in this case, the Senate, the equivalent of a packed jury for all intent.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 8:06pm On Dec 22, 2019
garetz:
Average increase in household income for middle class families:

Under George W. Bush: $400 in 8 years

Under Barack Obama: $1,000 in 8 years

Under Donald Trump: $5,000

...In just TWO AND A HALF years!
Got source for this?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Timbuktuo: 9:34pm On Dec 22, 2019
wirinet:
How can the plaintive prove the case beyond reasonable doubt When the defendant refuse to come to court, refuse to allow witnesses to testify and refuse to hand over evidence in its possession. It's like murder suspect refusing to come to court to testify, refuse to allow actual witnesses to come to court to testify and keeps the murder weapon in his cupboard, but refuses to hand it over to the police. He then shouts "no evidence of murder" when the prosecution says they don't have enough evidence to prove murder beyond reasonable doubt.
Defendants do not need to be in court for a trial to occur. In fact, they do not need to say a word throughout the trial. You don’t have to believe me, but you’re free to ask any competent lawyer.

Secondly, the burden of proof is upon the plaintiff. The defendant is supposed to cooperate as much as they can with investigations, not assist the accusers to prove their case. If I have been accused of murder, I will do my best to not be convicted of murder. My duty to myself is survival and furthering my interests and welfare. If you have a case against me, you better be able to prove it because I will not prove it for you. If you cannot prove your case beyond reasonable doubt then the court pronounces me ‘not guilty’. Whether you think I am guilty or not is the most irrelevant piece of information on earth. Your opinion is less valuable than faeces.

As far as the law is concerned Donald Trump is ‘not guilty’ of collusion. You might think he is, but that is your personal opinion and problem. The laws has not been able to prove him guilty.

C’est fini.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Timbuktuo: 9:36pm On Dec 22, 2019
GalaticHorde:
yes at bolded, due to obstructive stonewalling
That is your opinion.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GalaticHorde: 10:30pm On Dec 22, 2019
budaatum:
Excuse me, but this sounds like "I fought the law and won". Is it not the plaintiffs duty to get the evidence and not that of the perpetrator to hand over evidence of their crime?

Still, contrary to the "aka" of Timbuktuo you responded to, the plaintiff does not determine "Guilty of collusion". The plaintiff just presents the evidence they accuse the perpetrator of. The judge or jury determines guilt, in this case, the Senate, the equivalent of a packed jury for all intent.
it is but when the defendant is the presidency and the presidency exercises the unconstitutional power to go rogue against the legislature and officials of the justice. In an ideal case officials of the justice department will have reasonably unlimited investigate powers, but given the defendant, this isn't an ideal case is it?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GalaticHorde: 10:32pm On Dec 22, 2019
Timbuktuo:
Defendants do not need to be in court for a trial to occur. In fact, they do not need to say a word throughout the trial. You don’t have to believe me, but you’re free to ask any competent lawyer.

Secondly, the burden of proof is upon the plaintiff. The defendant is supposed to cooperate as much as they can with investigations, not assist the accusers to prove their case. If I have been accused of murder, I will do my best to not be convicted of murder. My duty to myself is survival and furthering my interests and welfare. If you have a case against me, you better be able to prove it because I will not prove it for you. If you cannot prove your case beyond reasonable doubt then the court pronounces me ‘not guilty’. Whether you think I am guilty or not is the most irrelevant piece of information on earth. Your opinion is less valuable than faeces.

As far as the law is concerned Donald Trump is ‘not guilty’ of collusion. You might think he is, but that is your personal opinion and problem. The laws has not been able to prove him guilty.

C’est fini.
good thing you said as far as the law is concerned! When he loses the protection of presidential power we will know better
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by kkins25(m): 12:05pm On Dec 23, 2019
garetz:
Eminem told every Trump supporter to go f**k themselves. The left praised him, calling him “powerful”, “brave” and “heroic”

Kanye told every American to think for themselves. The left attacked him, calling him “mentally ill” and “Uncle Tom”

See the problem?
I know alot more about eminem than I know about jesus... infact im a stan.
Eminem has insulted trump twice in public. One in his track with big sean no favours where he said "trumps a bitch, imma make his whole brand go under" I can tell you that at that time eminem came under heavy fire.. from america and other non American trump supporters. You see there is no globally successful hiphop artist as eminem who has been hated just as much as he is loved. Remember in the 90's when eminem was been protested against and Americans wanted him arrested and jailed? The only people that praised eminem for that trump line where those who weren't supporting trump. Alot of atheist, lgbt, nd blacks.

Second time he insulted trump was on a freestyle, don't know the exact words. But he came under fire from white folks nd was praised by black folks because he was standing with the blacks..

Your statement here makes no sense, because kanye and trump are buddies, infact thia relationship made kanye a bit disliked buy the black culture. Why should he support a man who doesn't like the race(allegedly). People that went for kanye west neck are those anti trump supporters who happen to be eminem fans too.

Of course why should people take advise from kanye who was actually mentally ill? He has said alot of shit recently before his new angle for record sales (I mean Christianity BS). Kanye publicly said shit about jayz, beyonce and some other legends in music. He offended alot of people. So why shouldn't you expect a backlash...

So people are not what you claim them to be in your comment above.. you just haave to understand the situation

Now that kanye is Christian, I guess he is no longer an endorser for lgbt, and freedom of whatever that the democrats....... u know na.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by TheShopKeeper(m): 1:08pm On Dec 23, 2019
White House official ordered aid to Ukraine be withheld 91 minutes after Trump call with Ukraine president, documents show

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-admin-forced-turn-ukraine-aid-documents/story?id=67869710&cid=clicksource_4380645_null_card_hed

https://publicintegrity.org/national-security/trump-administration-officials-worried-ukraine-aid-halt-violated-spending-law


White House officials requested that aid to Ukraine be held around 1 1/2 hours after President Donald Trump's July phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, according to newly obtained documents.

While the Trump administration has yet to release a single document subpoenaed by Congress during its impeachment inquiry of the president, the administration was forced to hand over a second round of communications between two government offices that helped withhold $400 million in military aid to Ukraine.

According to a rough transcript released by the White House, the July 25 call between Trump and Zelenskiy took place between 9:03 and 9:33 a.m.

At 11:04 a.m., an official with the White House's budget office, the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), Mike Duffey, sent an email to Deputy Secretary of Defense David Norquist, the chief of staff to Defense Secretary Mark Esper and the Pentagon's chief financial officer telling them to withhold the aid to Ukraine, the documents showed.

"Based on guidance I have received and in light of the Administration’s plan to review assistance to Ukraine, including the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, please hold off on any additional DoD obligations of these funds, pending direction from that process," the email from Duffey said, according to the documents.

"Given the sensitive nature of the request, I appreciate your keeping that information closely held to those who need to know to execute direction," Duffey's email stated.

The first announcement that the White House had decided to withhold the aid, which Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney said was at the direction of the president, came at a July 18 meeting between OMB and other officials. The meeting immediately sparked confusion and concerns from National Security Council officials and diplomats. This prompted a series of NSC-led inter-agency meetings, during which officials came to a unanimous conclusion that the security assistance should be resumed, according to several witnesses' testimony in the House impeachment inquiry.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 4:02pm On Dec 23, 2019
GalaticHorde:
it is but when the defendant is the presidency and the presidency exercises the unconstitutional power to go rogue against the legislature and officials of the justice. In an ideal case officials of the justice department will have reasonably unlimited investigate powers, but given the defendant, this isn't an ideal case is it?
The Presidency in USA has no right to go rogue. He's being impeached for the exact reason that he did go rogue. The President of Nigeria has however not gone rogue, as far as I can tell, and if he does, we should expect the House of Reps to impeach him (if he did not have a majority in it like Trump hasn't), and be found guilty by the Senate which is the court if he did not have a majority there which our President and that of America both have and enjoy.

I don't know what you mean by "not an ideal case" though. Don't know what should be ideal about it since impeachments are rather rare and no two have been the same, and they are not subject to criminal proceedings in a court of law. Did you hear them arguing whether witnesses could be called or not?

It's an impeachment. Members of your party who's election you might have campaigned for and donated money to are on the jury. The equivalent is a criminal case where the accused gets to chose who tries him which is definitely not ideal. But the President is not a criminal, yet, nor is he being tried in a court of law.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Nobody: 4:10pm On Dec 23, 2019
garetz:
Eminem told every Trump supporter to go f**k themselves. The left praised him, calling him “powerful”, “brave” and “heroic”

Kanye told every American to think for themselves. The left attacked him, calling him “mentally ill” and “Uncle Tom”

See the problem?
This is not true. Eminem was 'dragged' by Trump supporters, as well as Kanye was dragged by none Trump supporters
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by garetz: 4:30pm On Dec 23, 2019
Two facts:

1. The only valid reason to oppose voter ID is that you plan to cheat.

2. Every Democrat in Congress opposes voter ID.

What more do you need to know about the party?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by garetz: 4:41pm On Dec 23, 2019
So let me get this straight.

Brennan can lie to Congress, Clapper can lie to Congress, Mueller can lie to Congress, Comey can lie to Congress, Simpson can lie to Congress with no consequences?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by garetz: 4:54pm On Dec 23, 2019
Barack Obama’s FBI Director helped spy on the Trump campaign

Barack Obama’s CIA Director helped spy on the Trump campaign

Barack Obama’s Director of National Intelligence helped spy on the Trump campaign

Barack Obama knew.

Why isn’t he being held accountable?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by TheShopKeeper(m): 6:31pm On Dec 23, 2019
https://www.newsweek.com/kremlin-kevin-trends-after-people-point-out-lev-parnas-donation-kevin-mccarthy-1478832?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1577117468

#KREMLINKEVIN TRENDS AFTER PEOPLE POINT OUT TOP HOUSE REPUBLICAN KEVIN MCCARTHY TOOK DONATIONS FROM LEV PARNAS

The hashtag #KremlinKevin trended on Twitter after users pointed out that Rudy Giuliani's indicted associate Lev Parnas donated money to the "Kevin McCarthy for Congress" committee.

Many people posting with the hashtag also shared a clip of House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy comparing the contents of the Horowitz Report to the Watergate scandal.

#KremlinKevin was ranked at 20 on the United States Twitter trending list at the time of writing, with 13,000 tweets using the phrase.

The hashtag came largely in response to a Fox News clip posted by the House GOP leader in which he drew a comparison between the Watergate scandal and revelations in Inspector General Michael Horowitz's report on the opening of the Trump-Russia investigation, also known as "Crossfire Hurricane."

Released earlier this month, the report found no evidence of political bias playing a part in the FBI's decision to begin Crossfire Hurricane, but did criticize the agency over Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant applications.

Horowitz specifically identified 17 "inaccuracies and omissions" in four FISA warrant applications targeting Trump adviser Carter Page. The FISA court is now investigating the applications, The Hill reported Friday.

Speaking to Fox News on Sunday about the Horowitz report, McCarthy said: "They [the FBI] broke into candidate Trump's campaign, spied on him, and then covered it up. It is a modern-day Watergate and you got Democrats who aren't even willing to look into that.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 9:52pm On Dec 23, 2019

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by garetz: 7:37am On Dec 24, 2019
Saturday was the biggest day in U.S. retail history.

Total sales: $34.4B

Holiday shopping set records over the weekend, with Super Saturday sales reaching $34.4 billion, the biggest single day in U.S. retail history.

Job growth and fatter wallets, along with stronger household finances, have put consumers in a buying mood this season.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-12-23/super-saturday-shopping-sets-one-day-sales-record-analyst-says
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by zendi: 7:48am On Dec 24, 2019
AOC: America is 3rd world, and I'm teaming up with Sanders to make it 4th.
And the TDS gathering cheered.

https://googleweblight.com/i?u=https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/23/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-u-s-is-not-an-advanced-society/&hl=en-NG&tg=208&pt=33
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by wirinet(m): 8:44am On Dec 24, 2019
garetz:
Saturday was the biggest day in U.S. retail history.

Total sales: $34.4B

Holiday shopping set records over the weekend, with Super Saturday sales reaching $34.4 billion, the biggest single day in U.S. retail history.

Job growth and fatter wallets, along with stronger household finances, have put consumers in a buying mood this season.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-12-23/super-saturday-shopping-sets-one-day-sales-record-analyst-says
So what? Just one Chinese company - Alibaba sold $38 billion in turnover on November 11 this year. - Singles Day sales for Alibaba top $38 billion, breaking last year's record - https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/11/10/tech/singles-day-sales-alibaba/index.html

Even jumia and Konga posted record sales in this year's Black friday.

You guys worship Trump so much that you can even say it is Trump that makes the sun rise in the morning.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by obixcel(m): 9:06am On Dec 24, 2019
wirinet:
So what? Just one Chinese company - Alibaba sold $38 billion in turnover on November 11 this year. - Singles Day sales for Alibaba top $38 billion, breaking last year's record - https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/11/10/tech/singles-day-sales-alibaba/index.html

Even jumia and Konga posted record sales in this year's Black friday.

You guys worship Trump so much that you can even say it is Trump that makes the sun rise in the morning.
Bruh! He didn't even mention the name, Trump, in his comment - It was you who did in your response. grin Cure yourself from dis TDS before you cross over to the new year. Your time starts now grin grin
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by garetz: 9:13am On Dec 24, 2019
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wirinet:
So what? Just one Chinese company - Alibaba sold $38 billion in turnover on November 11 this year. - Singles Day sales for Alibaba top $38 billion, breaking last year's record - https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/11/10/tech/singles-day-sales-alibaba/index.html

Even jumia and Konga posted record sales in this year's Black friday.

You guys worship Trump so much that you can even say it is Trump that makes the sun rise in the morning.
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Symptoms of TDS
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by obixcel(m): 9:18am On Dec 24, 2019
garetz:
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Symptoms of TDS
Very strong one grin So if anyone says "The US economy is great" Does that translate to the individual worshipping Trump? See how nonsensical that sounds? Liberals are just nuts in their thinking...nothing ever makes dem happy.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by wirinet(m): 9:28am On Dec 24, 2019
garetz:
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Symptoms of TDS
Symptoms of MAGA
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by wirinet(m): 9:30am On Dec 24, 2019
obixcel:
Bruh! He didn't even mention the name, Trump, in his comment - It was you who did in your response. grin Cure yourself from dis TDS before you cross over to the new year. Your time starts now grin grin
That's all garetz ever talks about. He worships Trump more than a Muslim worships Allah in a day.
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