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Mindfulness:
I didn't mean to upset you, sorry.

BluntBoy:
Are you saying that virgins do not inherit the Adamic nature?

Listen, bro, the virginity or otherwise of Mary had nothing to do with Jesus's sinless nature.

Everyone was a virgin at one time or the other, but we were all born with Original Sin, even Mary.

The Roman Catholic Church try to change the narrative by claiming that Mary was also born immaculate (that is, without Original Sin), but there is no basis for this in Scriptures.

On the contrary, there is a verse in the Bible that counters this false teaching.

And Mary said: "My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior..." (Luke 1:46-47)

If Mary were sinless, why would she need a Savior?

In summary, Christ is sinless not because He came through a virgin, but because He is the Son of God incarnated in the womb of a human being. The womb does not matter. It could have been any womb.

femi4:
Olodo, Virgin doesn't give birth without penetration.

BluntBoy:
No human being gave birth in those days without penetration. So, what really is your point?

However, my own point is that Mary's virginity is insignificant in the whole story. That was why it was never mentioned in the whole of the Bible. The only thing Mary enjoyed was God's favor. She was not the only young woman or even virgin in the whole of Israel.

femi4:
That's the point. The Adamic nature reside in the sperm and not Mary's virginity

BluntBoy:
But you wrote that Mary's virginity validated Christ's non-Adamic nature?

I hope you have not had one too many?

femi4:
yes, cos you didn't understand that its a miracle for a Virgin to be pregnant

internationalman:
so it was government by force then..

no self expression or free will..

so it has been teyed is started.... it is well

BluntBoy:
Far wonderful miracles have happened.

We are not to dwell on the miracle of a virgin getting pregnant. That is not the essence of Christmas or of our salvation. Nor does it answer the question of the OP.

Whether Mary was a virgin or a prostitute would not have mattered. What would have mattered is the Son of God incarnating in the womb of a human being. The womb could have been the womb of a prostitute or a thief or the worst sinner.

Remember the Savior of the world was born in a manger. Does the manger matter in our story of Salvation. No! The only thing that matters is Christ.

So, the question of the OP is "Would God Have Chosen Mary If She Were Not A Virgin"?

The simple answer is: It doesn't matter what Mary was. What mattered was that the Savior had to come as man. Mary was only lucky to find God's favor. She was not the only young woman. She only found favor.

Zooposki:
That is how the Bible lied to you and we were told woman was created out of man, only to find out through science that the y chromosome in man is a genetic defect of the X chromosome in woman, by it having less of about 2% genetic material. The oldest living being is known as Lucy. Does Lucy sound like a man or woman’s name? Or you think the names, Mother Nature, Mother Earth, Mother Land, Mother of all storms etc just popped out of nowhere.

What do you think the Bible meant by virgin? and no, it does not mean a woman that has never had sex before.

femi4:
You don't understand that

The no 1 KEY God was looking for was a righteous UNMARRIED woman.

And an UNMARRIED woman that is yet to have sex = VIRGIN

midnighter:
So you're saying that the role was inherited by virtue of satisfying that particular requirement at that moment in time but you still don't get it because there must have been literally hundreds of people who also filled those criteria, yet Mary and Joseph were still chosen out of all those who were eligible.

BluntBoy:


First of all, there is no proof anywhere (except in translation) that Mary was a virgin.

And second, you are a man. So, just like the Jews who thought the Messiah could not be born to a carpenter, you are also thinking that the Messiah could only be born by a virgin. Many Jews rejected Jesus Christ because they felt they knew God's plans. Their thoughts were that Jesus was going to be born into either a royal family or an influential family. They thought He would help them drive away the Romans. So, when Jesus was born to a carpenter, they concluded that He could never be the Messiah they were told to expect. They were thinking like men just as you are thinking like a man.

But God's ways are not our ways.

femi4:
I ve addressed that in the previous posts. Take your time and check thoroughly

BluntBoy:
In the original text, the word used was almah which can mean any of young woman, maiden, virgin. And not necessarily virgin. If Isaiah had used the word bethulah then, there would be no question about whether Mary was a virgin or not.


And you are wrong to say that only a virgin could have given birth to the Savior.

The truth is that God could have used anyone. The keyword is not virginity, but God's favor.

Supposing Mary was a virgin, it would be hard to believe that she was the only virgin in Israel at that time. The only difference between Mary and other virgins was that Mary found favor in the eyes of God.

If God could use a pagan king (Cyrus) and even called him My Anointed , then God can use anyone for His work as long as that person has found favor in the eyes of God.

For instance, the Jews did not expect that God would send the Messiah into the home of a common carpenter when there were families of wealthy Pharisees, Saducees and Scribes in Israel. But, man is not God. The ways of God is totally different from the ways of men. That is why He is God.

sonofElElyon:
All the Bible versions translated that word as virgin. Even in the new testament, especially the gospels, it was translated as virgin. Meaning that was the original understanding of the passage. Your own translation is an aberration and misinterpretation.

Sanguine:
Mary did not choose herself to be the 'mother' of Christ. And she definitely was not the only virgin
in town at that time.
She must have lived a life totally
concecrated to God for God to have deemed her worthy. One can be a virgin and live a frivolous and ungodly life, ask the five foolish virgins.

sapientia:
I stand on my statement.

There is never a way hundreds of people will fit into the criteria.

Jews have database.

urchcoded:
Don't be foolish ursef.
U woke up dis morning because u didn't die in ur sleep.
The breathe in u? Abi oxygen dat can even be bought
Finger almost everyone has some people dat don't have might be because Dy lost it in an accident which dia owner allowed and some dia owner didn't even think Dy should have fingers from birth.

DavidEsq:
So u mean God forces his plans down our throats? Wow!! Anyway, my Bible tells me different.
Luke 1:38:
Then Mary said: “Look! Jehovah’s slave girl! May it happen to me according to your declaration.” At that the angel departed from her
From that scripture, it is clear Mary had to accept God's proposal. In other words, she had the option to reject it. Stop spreading falsehood

sacx:
Mary was not in any way better than other women in Israel at that time. The scriptures says she was FAVOURED. This was irrespective of what she did or didn't do. In fact, Mary as well as other people living before the coming of grace through Christ were sinners.

benji93:
Where did you get this information from? This is intellectually bogus man. A more acceptable argument suggests that both the X and Y chromosomes were autosomes and the Y chromosowmes underwent a series of mutation. Get your facts right bro.

KingGBsky:
And that’s your excuse of throwing away your virginity at a tender age. Smh.

Mindfulness:
In other words, Jesus was born out of wedlock.

urchcoded:
Do u even Kno dat dia is no historical proof dat any Jesus was born except the Bible.
And back to what u said if u were Joseph would u believe dis poo u just said. Well I think u might still believe u guys believe anything

afemgbosey:
I see. If I were Joseph, why not believe? Did you see the angel that visited him? The whole of Israel and the Eastern world knew she was a virgin. So because you weren't there it means it was a lie? Are you 900%sure your father is indeed your father? You were told and accepted abi? If a pregnant virgin is about to give birth, midwives WILL know. Joseph KNEW she was still a virgin before taking her in. Now on a lighter mood, if God 'bleeped "her so be it!. (on a lighter mood;take God to the courts)

Zooposki:
If you ask me, na who I go ask. I already got my facts right. Do you?? The Y chromosome even has less material now. Oh lawd. How do you think Mary got pregnant without a man?

Men may not become extinct after all, according to a new study.

Previous research has suggested the Y sex chromosome, which only men carry, is decaying genetically so fast that it will be extinct in five million years' time.

The predictions were based on comparisons between the human X and Y sex chromosomes. While these chromosomes were once thought to be identical far back in the early history of mammals, the Y chromosome now has about 78 genes, compared with about 800 in the X chromosome.

Mother Earth will take care of you guys. You guys should continue your fuckery.

ImmaculateJOE:
You thought about Immaculate Conception is wrong. Immaculate Conception is not about Jesus Christ but about Mary herself. She was conceived without the sin of Adam & Eve at her mother's womb

benji93:
The position that the Y chromosome is shorter than the X chromosome is a reasonable hypothesis, but not a fact. You asserted that that was a generally accepted knowledge by scientists, which is not true cos scientists are leaning in a different direction. They clearly admit that the Y- chromosome is a mutation of it's precursor autosome.