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Mcuzy:
when and where did he tell u he hates Christmas

Deut 12:1-3 Here are the laws that you are to obey as long as you live in the land YHVH, the God of your ancestors, is giving you. Listen to them! In the land that you are taking, destroy all the places where the people worship their gods on high mountains, on hills, and under green trees. Tear down their altars and smash their sacred stone pillars to pieces. Burn their symbols of the goddess Asherah and chop down their idols, so that they will never again be worshipped at those places.

Mcuzy:
So God come tell u say he nor like Christmas? And it is a sanctified day used for Christ He has already claimed it..

Mcuzy, have you at all yet wondered, why wasnt any of November 25th October 25th, September 25th, January 25th or even any other day other December 25th not chosen, hmm?

BlueAngel444:
Sanctified by whom?

Ok lemme help you, say Gabriel visited Mary in December does that sanctify the month
Or wait, does the numerous pagan worship of their deities in such day and period count
Or let's be Jewish how about the Hanukkah, does that sanctify it enough

elated177:
When and where did the Messiah tell you he had already claimed it?

Mcuzy:
No one is saying Christ was born in December ,but no one knows when he was born so we celebrate on Christmas day...
Are u a witness?

No need to go asking about him, if he's JW or not JW

elated177:
The fact that the Scriptures did not state specifically when the Messiah was born, should give you an idea of how Yahushua the Messiah regards Christmas. The Messiah neither celebrated his birth nor did he instruct us, his saints, to celebrate his birth.

Jer 2:13 for my people have committed two sins: they have turned away from me, the spring of living water, they have dug cisterns, cracked cisterns that can hold no water at all.

Mcuzy:
u're impossible.

Mcuzy:
when and where did he tell u he hates Christmas

"Don’t copy the behavior and customs of this world,
but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think.
Then you will learn to know God’s will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect"
- Romans 12:2

elated177:
Well, the Messiah did not instruct us to build any specific structure as a placefor worship, since we, the saints, are his temples.

However, let us say - hypothetically, of course - that Yahushua the Messiah did want us to erect physical structures specifically as places of worship, the instructions given to the Israelites regarding the Canaanite towns and altars would be the ways to go.

Deut 12:1-3 Here are the laws that you are to obey as long as you live in the land YHVH, the God of your ancestors, is giving you. Listen to them! In the land that you are taking, destroy all the places where the people worship their gods on high mountains, on hills, and under green trees. Tear down their altars and smash their sacred stone pillars to pieces. Burn their symbols of the goddess Asherah and chop down their idols, so that they will never again be worshipped at those places.

The structure must be pulled down completely and everything in it must be destroyed and burnt. Then, a fresh structure is erected on the same piece of land in honor of YHVH Almighty. Unless, of course, YHVH Almighty commands that such land be left empty for a time or perpetually.

But then, Yahushua the Messiah did not instruct us to erect any physical structure specifically as a place of worship.

no sense in what you just posted but God told Solomon to build a temple for HIM. but in act of apostle 1:1-20 those that stay in the upper room doing what? if there is no upper room where will they stay? place of worship should a place to discuss things of God.

jcross19:
no sense in what you just posted but God told Solomon to build a temple for HIM. but in act of apostle 1:1-20 those that stay in the upper room doing what? if there is no upper room where will they stay? place of worship should a place to discuss things of God.

This young man, jcross. You neither know the Scriptures nor are you humble to learn. Why are you always quick to insult and know zilch about Scriptures?

elated177:
This young man, jcross. You neither know the Scriptures nor are you humble to learn. Why are you always quick to insult and know zilch about Scriptures?

thank you sir. Its clear there in the build . God is not complaining that church were built and still building .

jcross19:
thank you sir. Its clear there in the build . God is not complaining that church were built and still building .

What is where in the Bible?

Mcuzy:
No one is saying Christ was born in December ,but no one knows when he was born so we celebrate on Christmas day...
Are u a witness?

The birth of Christ is based on scripture. In the Jewish tradition Adam began in Tishri that's when they Israel celebrate their new year.

If the calculation is done probably based on scripture, Jesus was also born in the Jewish calendar month Tishri, first week.

Babacele:
By Dr H .Spencer Lewis THE IMPERATOR, AMORC

[From the article '' MAKING CHRISTMAS COME TRUE'',The Rosicrucian Digest December 1932]


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.........Whether we are Christians or not in no way affects our appreciation of the spirit of Christmas, and, of course, a month before the Christmas holiday is the popular Thanksgiving holiday in the United States, and immediately after Christmas falls the New Year holiday, which is very widely recognized and celebrated in most countries of the Western World. Therefore, between the 25th of November and the 2nd of January our lives, our social affairs, business and personal interests, and other matters are greatly affected by the almost universal spirit of celebration, good will, and human joyousness.

Whether we can enter into the Christian spirit of accepting the 25th day of December as the birthday of Jesus the Christ, or not, the fact remains that Jews and Gentiles and many others of other religions accept this day as a time of good will to all beings. December 25th, as we have stated before, was a time for good will, and the giving of gifts, and the bringing of joy into the human consciousness long before Jesus the Christ was born. Among the many festive days of the pagans and among the many holidays of those religious and non-religious peoples who preceded the Christian era, December the 25th was the most outstanding and most important of all. There are many things which indicate that when the great fathers of the Christian church were perplexed at deciding upon the precise date of the birth of Jesus the Christ, they were influenced by the fact that December 25th had always been a holiday typical of the Christian spirit and would, therefore, be most appropriate.

The spirit of that ancient holiday is reflected in every feature of our present day Christmas time. In pre-Christian years prisoners then in bondage were set free on the eve of December 25th, and throughout the day people exchanged gifts, readings, and every symbol and sign of good will was expressed. Today the spirit of Christmas is something that is always separate and apart from the sacred celebration of the birth of the Great Savior. As we have already said even those peoples whose religious beliefs do not permit them to keep the sectarian holiness of the day, find in it an opportunity for the definite expression of the spirit of good will and human fellowship that is very broadly and quite uniquely the true expression of the Christ spirit........


.......For no reason that is sane and sensible, January 1st has been selected as the beginning of the year. It is, in fact, neither the beginning nor the end of a year or of a season. It is midseason, midwinter in most places in the northern hemisphere, and far removed from the rebirth of the year, and the rebirth of life throughout nature as made manifest in or about the Spring equinox in March. In many oriental countries the month of March is looked upon as the proper time for the celebration of the beginning of a new year, for it is not only the beginning of a new season but the beginning of new life after the long sleep and transition of nature throughout the winter. And so it is with the spirit of good will and of good fellowship; instead of expressing this good will to all beings throughout the year and seeking every opportunity to give to those who are in need and to bring happiness and joy to others who are in sorrow, and singing the songs of life everlasting to those who are Cosmically and spiritually asleep, we wait for Christmas day to do those things which might be done on any day of the year....

..... Perhaps the fact that December 25th is so universally looked upon as a time of good will induces us to express the goodness in our hearts more completely, and with greater significance than we would do under different circumstances. If this is an argument in favor of organized and ritualistic emotional expression then we should be logical enough to prove it and to do it. Therefore, I say to those who withhold from others throughout the year the good will they should express and who restrain themselves in the impulses to give and share with others what they have, that on Christmas day or throughout the festive week following it every effort should be made to unburden oneself of the pent-up and restrained expressions of the entire year.

Unquestionably, each one of us owes something to others, and unquestionably each one of us is enjoying benefits and blessings that we can share with others and should do so. The Cosmic law of compensation and the universal law of supply and demand requires that we not only give thanks for what we have, but that we look upon ourselves as trustees for the Cosmic dispensation of blessings. God and all of nature require human channels through which the great work of the universal benedictions can be carried out. Each one of us is a channel, therefore, for the dissemination of that which God intends each of us to enjoy. Certainly joy and happiness are the most essential things in life, often enjoyed in abundance by many, but found wanting in the lives of many more. I need not pose as a prophet, nor phrase my words as a prediction when I say that next Christmas day there will be millions in our own environment and close to each one of us who will find in that day nothing more than a day of ordinary experiences fraught with solitude, despondency, gloom, sorrow, want, and regret. Without leaving our immediate neighborhoods and also without doing more than cross the street, we can find someone on that day whose picture of life will be the very opposite of our own. Just how any one of us can feel the fullness of Christmas joy and be as extremely happy as we should be while across the street or around the corner there is someone in want or in sorrow, in sadness and grief, is something I cannot understand.

We speak of desiring to have the Christ Consciousness developed within us. Even those who are not essentially Christians admit that the presence of the Christ Consciousness would be not only desirable, but the maximum of their earthly desires. Yet if there was any one outstanding emotion made manifest by the living Christ on earth it was the consciousness of the sorrow of the world. He constantly expressed the thought that He sensed and was highly sensitive of the grief, the pain, the bitterness resting in the hearts of those around Him and throughout the world. He was a man of sorrows, not because of personal experiences, but because of the consciousness of the experiences of the millions of human beings around Him. How then, can any of us expect to have or feel that we do have the least degree of Christ Consciousness within us and yet be immune to the sorrows of the world, and restrained from sharing our happiness or our blessings with those who do not have them?

If we would get the utmost out of the Christmas spirit this year, or any other year, and if we would live a life that would exemplify the Christ Consciousness within us, we will seek as the ideal Christ sought, and as the ideal of Christ within us would seek to find opportunity, occasion, ways, and means of bringing some happiness and joy, some relief, some bright light of hope and cheer into the lives of those who do not have these things either at Christmas time or any other time of the year.

Therefore, make this Christmas a true Christian spirit holy day by sharing with others to some small degree at least that which you have an abundance of, even if it be but happiness and the smiles of joy with those who do not have them, and in this way make Christmas come true, independent of its religious significance, independent of its sectarian meaning, and uniquely and wholly in the spirit of the ideal that it exemplifies.

To a true child of God, everyday is a day for loving, sharing, evangelism and "soul winning"

We don't wait for a special day tomorrow we use today, everyday.

The disciples didn't wait till April to break bread and remember that Jesus die, they did it daily, when they gather as often as they could and not once did you hear they gather on certain days for certain observations (which is religious)

elated177:
No reason, real or imaginary, will ever be enough to make Christmas acceptable to a saint of YHVH Almighty.

The saints are expected to show love to their fellow human beings every day and all the time.

I am not saying that the world should not celebrate their Christmas and New year, far be it from me. Such celebrations are not for the saints of YHVH Almighty so long as they are not Scripturally sanctioned.

For those who claim to follow Yahushua the Messiah and still worship demons secretly and think they will score some cheap points by claiming they do not celebrate Christmas and New year, stop deluding yourselves. You are already an abomination to YHVH Almighty.

I had not even read this yet.

See like they say great minds think alike, or in this case true children of God think alike.. Sharing same spirit.

People turning Christianity into a religion and yet some refuse to see what's wrong with religion.

BlueAngel444:
As long as the foundation is holy, the earth is the Lord's and the fullness therefore. And the new foundation has nothing connecting it with the old.

Even Jesus said, don't put new wine in an old wine sack.

But what's the aim of your questions self

Does God permit one to mix two different things up

Where in the bible did God say you should establish your own Church or have stickers of your Church in your house or car
The phone you're using was produced by unbelievers, do you use Facebook or Nairaland the owners doesn't believe in God
Stop confusing your brain

Hizzy:
Where in the bible did God say you should establish your own Church or have stickers of your Church in your house or car
The phone you're using was produced by unbelievers, do you use Facebook or Nairaland the owners doesn't believe in God
Stop confusing your brain

I did none of the above. Your point is invalid

How does using a tool come into the conversation.

You are the one who is causing confusion o

BlueAngel444:
I did none of the above. Your point is invalid

How does using a tool come into the conversation.

You are the one who is causing confusion o

You're confusing your Self

Hizzy:
You're confusing your Self

hmmm

You know when you think about it, Jesus being born in Tishri means in December was when Gabriel visited Mary, so this period should be celebrating the conception of Jesus

But then again, that event focusing more on Mary and what she did than on Jesus , won't be shocked if Catholic know this as well, seeing they just love to honor Mary


But besides the day, 25th what's with the "Father Christmas" or "Santa Claus" honestly wouldn't have so much issue with the whole let's pick a day and celebrate Jesus but when there are so many traditional stuffs including in that doesn't add up to the supposed intent. Celebrating the true Christ.


God hates things that distract from the truth, that control and rule people's mind away from the one true God

NICHOLAS

Acts 6:5 tells us that this Nicolas was “a proselyte of Antioch.” The fact that he was a proselyte tells us that he was not born a Jew but had converted from paganism to Judaism. Then he experienced a second conversion, this time turning from Judaism to Christianity. From this information, we know these facts about Nicolas of Antioch:


He came from paganism and had deep pagan roots, very much unlike the other six deacons who came from a pure Hebrew line. Nicolas’ pagan background meant that he had previously been immersed in the activities of the occult.

He was not afraid of taking an opposing position, evidenced by his ability to change religions twice. Converting to Judaism would have estranged him from his pagan family and friends.

He was obviously not afraid to entertain or embrace new ways of thinking.

His ability to easily change religious “hats” implies that he was not afraid to switch direction in midstream and go a totally different direction.


According to the writings of the Early Church leaders, Nicolas taught a doctrine of compromise, implying that total separation between Christianity and the practice of occult paganism was not essential.

From Early Church records, it seems apparent that this Nicolas of Antioch was so immersed in occultism, Judaism, and Christianity that he had a stomach for all of it. He had no problem intermingling these belief systems in various concoctions and saw no reason why believers couldn’t continue to fellowship with those still immersed in the black magic of the Roman empire and its countless mystery cults.

So I read that Catholics call Mary, Madonna. Ma Donna, Donna being Diana.

The two churches in Revelation where Jesus mentions the Nicolaitanes is in Ephesus and Pergamos, had roots in occultism.

In Ephesus, the primary pagan religion was the worship of Diana (Artemis).

The “doctrine” of the Nicolaitans that Jesus “hated.” led to a weak version of Christianity that was without power and without conviction — a defeated, worldly type of Christianity.

The kind of teaching would result in nothing but total defeat for its followers.

The reason the name Nicolas is so vital to this discussion, is when we consider the meaning of the name and that it means the same with Balaam we begin to understand certain things. which both mean conquered the people

The evil fruit of Nicolas’ “doctrine” encouraged worldly participation, leading people to indulge in sin and a lowered godly standard. In this way he literally conquered the people.

God mention Balaam in the church of Pergamos (which means MIXED, MARRIED) to shed more light on how the deeds and doctrine of Nicolaitans related to those of Balaam (both once anointed vessels for God's use)

When Balaam could not successfully curse the people of God, he used another method to destroy them. He seduced them into unbridled, sensual living by dangling the prostitutes of Moab before the men of Israel.

Seeing as the devil couldn't destroy the church from outside, he sneaks in to attack from within (trying to corrupt God's true teaching)


Now we consider Catholic is said to be married to the government and several religions.

Santa Claus is said to be Saint Nicholas

GreetMe:
Lemme ask you a question, supposing your claims are correct, If God that owns heaven and Earth asks those gods that owns Christmas according to you to hand over the date to his Son, since Christians now celebrate it in majority.

Will the gods refuse?

God can use any date he wants because he owns them and not any stupid gods. 25th belongs to God because he created every day!

Yah hates the worship of false deities and idols, do you think he would be so hypocritical as to support a day of worship for these pagan gods including that Catholic made up deity Jesus.

Thou should put no other God before me.

BlueAngel444:
Yes

If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?

Psalms 11:3

Was the Shrine destroyed? Or was it converted to a church

God commanded the Israelites to destroy the idols

ehnnnn..

[quote author=BlueAngel444 post=85257621]To a true child of God, everyday is a day for loving, sharing, evangelism and "soul winning"

We don't wait for a special day tomorrow we use today, everyday.

The disciples didn't wait till April to break bread and remember that Jesus die, they did it daily, when they gather as often as they could and not once did you hear they gather on certain days for certain observations (which is religious) [/quote that is what the article is saying, please...

The Christmas debate really shows that Jesus followers do not believe that Jesus is the son of God. If these hypocrites continuously and shamelessly ascribe 25th December as a pagan holiday knowing fully well that their God's power supersedes other powers and that their God created the heavens and earth then it left much to be desired.
The hypocrites are arguing that it is better to allow the fragile early Christian converts to continue observing their pagan celebration instead of getting a bigger celebration that will be more christianlike. Jesus birth was celebrated in the Holy Books with expensive gifts.
The ancient Christians rejected their pagan worship and placed a more acceptable celebration in its stead.
These form of systematic desensitisation is currently going on in the hinterlands as the orthodox missionaries has continued to replaced pagan practices with Christian practice.
The selfprofessed and citydwelling Pentecostal evangelists who has never converted non-Christians nor move out of their enclaves to convert people from different religions to Christianity will never know this. Their modus operandi is converting already baptised Christians to fill their churches and teaching them obnoxious doctrines that will make the heads of the ancient Christians to spin.

Celebrating the mass of Christ is a choice.

jcross19:
funny some people because they think they are wise then they begin to sound stupid.

Your question lacks substance, because the pagan origin is still there , to apply your illustration to Xmas.

If the shrine was claimed to be converted to church but a certain idol still stand in the door way, would you agree it's a Church ?

Likewise, Read up on how Early Christians view the celebration of anyone's birthday, it's idolatry . As long as you are celebrating birthdays , it's idolatry practices hence u didn't convert anything, do you even know that no servant of God celebrated their birthday in the Bible? Do you know that the only two birthday celebration recorded were done by pagans?

Keep your illustration in your pocket

CAPTIVATOR:
Your question lacks substance, because the pagan origin is still there , to apply your illustration to Xmas.

If the shrine was claimed to be converted to church but a certain idol still stand in the door way, would you agree it's a Church ?

Likewise, Read up on how Early Christians view the celebration of anyone's birthday, it's idolatry . As long as you are celebrating birthdays , it's idolatry practices hence u didn't convert anything, do you even know that no servant of God celebrated their birthday in the Bible? Do you know that the only two birthday celebration recorded were done by pagans?

Keep your illustration in your pocket

I honestly wish more christians would read the history of the church, but then again even many of their pastors don't read and many "christians" don't even read their bibles self so we get to realize that many like the Samaritans, looking for where to worship, don't even know God - who they claim to worship.

TheArchangel:
The Christmas debate really shows that Jesus followers do not believe that Jesus is the son of God. If these hypocrites continuously and shamelessly ascribe 25th December as a pagan holiday knowing fully well that their God's power supersedes other powers and that their God created the heavens and earth then it left much to be desired.
The hypocrites are arguing that it is better to allow the fragile early Christian converts to continue observing their pagan celebration instead of getting a bigger celebration that will be more christianlike. Jesus birth was celebrated in the Holy Books with expensive gifts.
The ancient Christians rejected their pagan worship and placed a more acceptable celebration in its stead.
These form of systematic desensitisation is currently going on in the hinterlands as the orthodox missionaries has continued to replaced pagan practices with Christian practice.
The selfprofessed and citydwelling Pentecostal evangelists who has never converted non-Christians nor move out of their enclaves to convert people from different religions to Christianity will never know this. Their modus operandi is converting already baptised Christians to fill their churches and teaching them obnoxious doctrines that will make the heads of the ancient Christians to spin.

Celebrating the mass of Christ is a choice.

getting a bigger celebration? More like getting a bigger idol lop

More Christlike really

the ancient christians hmmm, who are these "ancient christians" and how did you come about what they did.. Spell it out clearly, which celebration?

You finish with saying celebrating "the mass of Christ is a choice" but you started by saying those who speak or go against it are hypocrites


Now you may not like pentecostal evangelists, heck neither do I but I don't dislike all of them and wouldn't sound so bitter towards even the ones I don't dislike.

Expect you're a minister and you interact with missionaries and those evangelists you claim to dislike, or you have a reasonable account towards your preference and not the - I like this and dislike this - why, because blah blah blah and blah and no reason from the very obvious BIBLE den don't claim you ain't a less hypocrite than those your calling one.

BlueAngel444:
getting a bigger celebration? More like getting a bigger idol lop

More Christlike really

the ancient christians hmmm, who are these "ancient christians" and how did you come about what they did.. Spell it out clearly, which celebration?

You finish with saying celebrating "the mass of Christ is a choice" but you started by saying those who speak or go against it are hypocrites


Now you may not like pentecostal evangelists, heck neither do I but I don't dislike all of them and wouldn't sound so bitter towards even the ones I don't dislike.

Expect you're a minister and you interact with missionaries and those evangelists you claim to dislike, or you have a reasonable account towards your preference and not the - I like this and dislike this - why, because blah blah blah and blah and no reason from the very obvious BIBLE den don't claim you ain't a less hypocrite than those your calling one.

What are you saying?

CAPTIVATOR:
Your question lacks substance, because the pagan origin is still there , to apply your illustration to Xmas.

If the shrine was claimed to be converted to church but a certain idol still stand in the door way, would you agree it's a Church ?

Likewise, Read up on how Early Christians view the celebration of anyone's birthday, it's idolatry . As long as you are celebrating birthdays , it's idolatry practices hence u didn't convert anything, do you even know that no servant of God celebrated their birthday in the Bible? Do you know that the only two birthday celebration recorded were done by pagans?
Keep your illustration in your pocket

do.you.know that Sunday was once sun god day?

jcross19:
do.you.know that Sunday was once sun god day?

So as Moonday and every other day, named after Mars, Thor, Saturn, Venus, Odin etc

Happy New Year 2020