solite3:


Jesus resurrection didnt mean he had done away with his human nature, so he is still subject to his father.

Jesus is a man and accordingly his father is his God.

solite3:
the issue is not God sending Jesus but the fact that Jesus took humbled himself to take on that position whereby he could be sent by God.

You said all things were created through the father yet you asking what was created through the Father ?
Arent you a confused man?

sonmvayina:
He will return soon... If you have not figured that it is to keep them in business, then you must be a test crash dummy..

MizJanet:


pardon, but inside the Bible it's written that at ressurection, it is sown a physical body and raised a spiritual body, that Bible then becomes a lie if Jesus was raised with the same physical body . Do you guys think at all ?

Barristter07:


That's called OBEDIENCE . When you humbled yourself to listen to your parents . You are obedient . It doesn't rule out the fact that a COMMAND was Given . Jesus is not Almighty to have received a command to obey .

Hebrew 6:13 none is Greater than the Almighty. Receiving Command means there is someone greater . Jesus therefore isn't Almighty



We find two statement.

All things are made through the Father

All things are made through Jesus .

You and I agree that God used Jesus to create all other things , that explains what came through Jesus. So it begs the question: What exactly came through the Father ??

solite3:
I cant keep on repeating one point over and over again.
Good day

solite3:
The resurrection of Jesus was clearly written in the bible.

Jesus confirmed he was not a spirit but a real Human.
Luke 24:39, 43 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
And he took it, and did eat before them.

“Do you not know that anything that enters the mouth goes to the belly and is cast out from there in excretion?”

The body of Jesus was not seen in the grave.
Luke 24:3
And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.

Jesus clearly stated that his body will be raised

John 2:19, 21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
But he spake of the temple of his body.

@ bolded that is a lie
Here is the correct rendering

1 Corinthians 15:44
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Remember it is the same body that was sowed that is resurrected no creation of a new body but the only difference is that the resurrection body is raised as a spiritual body rather than a natural one meaning that the resurrection body is not natural eg subject to natural constraints.

JMAN05:


The knowledge of God is a mystery. How can we even think of such. John 17:3 says that knowledge of God leads to eternal life. John 17:17 shows that the truth is found in God's word the Bible. If God is still mystery, how then do you know that he is even a triune God, when to you He is still a mystery?

About revelation you said above. The means to weigh any such revelation is Gods word the Bible. Like I told you above, how can a triune God not know when the end will come? A God that has a God can't claim to be the Almighty. Better to heed the warning at Gal 1:8.




You tried, and did well replying to my comment.

Remember, we are assuming Trinity is true. The holy spirit is there in heaven as part of the trinity. Jesus mentioned his not knowing the day and the hour. Permit me to say that different roles doesn't affect ones knowledge. Omniscience is omniscience whether Christ chose to have different assignment or not, otherwise we are not being consistent. Christ is telling you and I the limit of his knowledge. He is confessing not on one occasion that there is something he does not know. The question is still begging for answer;; why does Jesus not know when the end will come?

2. Holy spirit. You said he didn't include the holy spirit in his words, as such, he is not excluding the holy spirit. You used the example of Matt. 21:19 to show that not mentioning something doesn't mean exclusion. I see your point, but must say that the account you quoted didn't support your point. Notice the boldfaced phrase. It shows that Jesus saw a fig TREE Before noticing that it had no leaves. But I understood your point, altho the analogy didn't fit.

Notice that Jesus didn't say only the Father and The holy spirit knows. Nope. He said ONLY the Father knows. He didn't say it once. Shouldnt we take what Jesus said, even if it is against what we expect? He said ONLY, that excludes anyone else.






May I ask for your clarification here. Fully man and fully God. Yet he is not omniscient or omnipotent? If one is not omniscient, can he claim to be fully God Almighty? Omniscient is not subject to restrictions cos that would remove you as being God almighty. We are talking about the scope God's knowledge here. Can we bit our chest and say that God Almighty has what he doesn't know? Ok, can you please define what you mean by omniscience?

Also can we say that God Almighty is not omnipotent?






Was Jesus in heaven before he came to Earth? I believe he was. Now if you believe the same, then Jesus who is omniscience should already have known when the end will come before coming to Earth. It should have been part of his knowledge. Almighty God knows the end from the beginning. Do you understand now?





If I understand you, you are saying that Jesus would still be subject to God Almighty because he was still man (altho glorified)?

2. Maybe you didn't understand me well. Your said that Jesus gave up rights because he was in the flesh. You cited Philippians 2. Now, am saying that even after Jesus has risen to heaven for many years, Jesus was still stated by that 1Cor. 15;28 as subjecting himself to God. The one who should be his equal. It didn't stop there.

The account called God, JESUS' GOD. I don't know if someone is seeing what am seeing. How can God Almighty have a God in his heavenly abode, his HOUSE? He is still subject to this same one. He received this authority from this same person, he is handing over to this same person. This same person is still his God. Honestly, I don't see reason not to view this God of Jesus to be the Almighty, and Jesus as his subordinate. What reason could there be?

MizJanet:


K



A real human eats and the body process it , then feaces occur and there is a need to go to toilet, Even Jesus explain this in one of his parables , am making a reference to Matthew 15 verse 17 which says




My question here is: If you agree he is human, Will he excrete that fish he ate ?



Has Blood like the former ?


Study it well!!! The natural there means physical , check many versions for proof.

Spiritual definition here means that which is opposed to Physical . You can't claim he is raised a spiritual body if he is still physical . Both are opposed

Barristter07:


I only made three points . Just say you have no rebuttal .

1.He was OBEDIENT ... That's why he make himself to he sent. That doesn't remove the fact that there was a COMMAND .

2. None is greater than Almighty ( Heb 6:13 ) , He can't receive command from anyone . You only receive command from someone greater than you.

The beautiful thing is he received the command in his heavenly divine form. A blow to Trinity. Not even human

3. I asked: What exactly was made through the Father ? What creation was made through him ?

Barristter07:


I only made three points . Just say you have no rebuttal .

1.He was OBEDIENT ... That's why he make himself to he sent. That doesn't remove the fact that there was a COMMAND .

2. None is greater than Almighty ( Heb 6:13 ) , He can't receive command from anyone . You only receive command from someone greater than you.

The beautiful thing is he received the command in his heavenly divine form. A blow to Trinity. Not even human

3. I asked: What exactly was made through the Father ? What creation was made through him ?

Hairyrapunzel:


Where in the bible did they mention he excreted fish or didn't excrete the fish he ate? Are you people alright?

Why is it that you guys think of the things not ever stated in the bible and use it as defense.

Bible did not state whether jesus excreted what he ate or didn't excrete


You just speculate and make your beliefs on those speculations.

Show us the verse in luke 24 where he excreted or didn't excrete what he ate.
Don't direct us to a parable in matt that was not referring to his resurrection.

If we use parable to defend hellfire you guys will say it's a lie that it's a parable so it's not real. Whereas you are mentioning a parable in matt 15 that talks about sin not resurrection stating that luke 24 is supposed to talk about what matt said if Jesus's resurrection was really physical when the luke 24 was silent on the issue


Do you people think we are dumb like you jws?

MizJanet:


church man, I don't really know where you came from . All you wrote up there is brain dead analysis ,

Sin or no sin, when humans eat they excrete. Has nothing to do with sin, it's nature, Was biology omitted in your courses at secondary school ?

If he didn't excrete then he isn't human, just a spirit appearing in human body like the angels that ate with Hebrew Father Abraham . The ball is in you guys court

Hairyrapunzel:


Did they say jesus excreted or did not excrete?
You are arguing from silence.


You should show us where they said criteria for identifying humans in the bible was excepting wastes.

Show us where they wrote excretion in the chapter you were talking about?

If the bible did not talk about him excreting in that chapter I wonder why you are assuming.


Assumer aka speculators. Instead of showing us bible verse you are busy talking about biology textbooks mtcheww.

MizJanet:


Mehhhn, Despite I gave you words of Jesus himself that whatever enters the mouth would be passed as excrement and that you did Biology in secondary school . MR NIGER D . Characteristics of living things. E stands for EXCRETION , do you just decide to be stupid to prove a point ?

Going into the Bible , God himself understand EXCRETION is a characteristics of an humans using the words " HUMAN EXCRETION " at Ezekiel 4 vs 15 , are you still blind to the fact that if Jesus was human he must excrete what he ate ?

Hairyrapunzel:


Then why didn't the bible say Jesus christ didn't or did excrete?

Abi you want to rewrite the bible? Kuku add that jesus didn't excrete so we will see it.

MizJanet:


Loser, you guys are the one saying he is human, deal with the consequence. Human excrete when they eat , your Bible testify Ezekiel 4 vs 15 . Deal with it

MizJanet:


Loser, you guys are the one saying he is human, deal with the consequence. Human excrete when they eat , your Bible testify Ezekiel 4 vs 15 . Deal with it

Hairyrapunzel:


You that is saying jesus was not human because he didn't excrete is yet to show us where they wrote that he didn't excrete in the bible. Lol

You are the bigger LOSER here. I am still waiting for the verse that said you are not a human being in the bible if the bible didn't mention you passed excrement even if you ate food and talked to humans. Lol

Hairyrapunzel:


You that is a winner can't show us where they said jesus excreted or didn't excrete in the verses you quoted.

You have now gone to Ezekiel 4:15. You will soon enter rev.

Even to put that jesus didn't excrete in the bible you are finding it difficult. Lol

Your assumption isn't stated in the bible. Deal with eat and take your 'L' in peace.


You want to force something that was not written for jesus in the bible. Your argument alone is dead on arrival till you show us the bible verse where jesus excreted or didn't excrete.

MizJanet:


K



A real human eats and the body process it , then feaces occur and there is a need to go to toilet, Even Jesus explain this in one of his parables , am making a reference to Matthew 15 verse 17 which says

My question here is: If you agree he is human, Will he excrete that fish he ate ?



Has Blood like the former ?


Study it well!!! The natural there means physical , check many versions for proof.

Spiritual definition here means that which is opposed to Physical . You can't claim he is raised a spiritual body if he is still physical . Both are opposed

MizJanet:


See church man, I don't know why you are so pained that u even have The gut to quote me twice , If you claim he is human, oga he must excrete . Human digestive system is designed to excrete, EXCRETION of waste products from the body or else the person dies .

I even gave you Ezekiel 4:15 u pretend as if it's not inside your Bible , EXCRETION is part of been human.

U loser didn't even realize that Jesus to have excrete that waste means he still produces decay, I thought your Bible said corruption cannot inherit incorruption ? So Heaven is designed. To accommodate corrupt and decay elements like feaces from an human ?

U have a brain , don't you ?

solite3:
that is because God fashioned it to function that way.




there is the need to draw the line between physical and natural.
Natural in this case mean a body that is subject to the physical laws of nature with all its draw back.
Jesus body is Spiritual but yet physical meaning that it is not subject to the laws of nature but can fully experience the physical without its draw back when he so desires

Hairyrapunzel:


So show me where they said he excreted or didn't excrete in the bible GBAM

MizJanet:


Anything human must excrete what they eat . Eze 4:15

U sounding dumb already, For your claim that he is human to be true. He must excrete nd EXCRETION proves he is subjected to decay

MizJanet:


Do you know what is called Oxymoron ?

Did your Bible say it is sown physical and raise spiritual but physical ? U are sounding dumb and even conflicting your Bible join

Paul: sown physical raised Spiritual

Solite3: no paul, you are wrong , sown physical raised Spiritual but still physical.

Examine what oxymoron means

solite3:
educate yourself on the meaning of natural and physical.

Janosky:


**** 1 Cor15:44..
Good News Translation
When buried, it is a physical body; when raised, it will be a spiritual body. There is, of course, a physical body, so there has to be a spiritual body.



Aramaic Bible in Plain English
It is sown an animal body; a spiritual body rises, for there is an animal body, and there is a spiritual body.


New American Standard 1977
it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.


King James 2000 Bible
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."
************"
Solite3, for you to grow old is mandatory..
But , it's optional for you to grow up.....
For how long will you be deceiving yourself?

solite3:

Answer: Speaking of Jesus' Second Coming, Matthew 24:36 (and Mark 13:32) tells us, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”

When Jesus spoke these words to the disciples, even He had no knowledge of the date and time of His return. Although Jesus was fully God (John 1:1, 14), when He became a man, He voluntarily restricted the use of certain divine attributes (Philippians 2:6–8 ). He did not manifest them unless directed by the Father (John 4:34; 5:30; 6:38). He demonstrated His omniscience on several occasions (cf. John 2:25; 3:13), but He voluntarily restricted that omniscience to only those things God wanted Him to know during the days of His humanity (John 15:15). Such was the case regarding the knowledge of the date and time of His return. After He was resurrected, Jesus resumed His full divine knowledge (cf. Matthew 28:18; Acts 1:7).

Matthew 24:36 clearly states that the Father alone knows when Jesus' return will be. Verses such as John 5:30; 6:38; 8:28-29; 10:30; 12:49; 14:28, 31; and Matthew 26:39, 42 demonstrate Jesus' submission to the Father as well as their Oneness in the Godhead. Yes, they are both God. But some things Jesus had apparently chosen to "give up the rights" to be privy to during His earthly ministry (see Philippians 2:5-11). Jesus, now exalted in Heaven, surely knows all, including the timing of His Second Coming.

solite3:
Dont quote me if you have nothing reasonable to say.

Or Jesus body is spiritual and yet his resurrection was a physical one because his body people saw him held him with their hand and he even eat with them.
You Jehovah witness antichrist deny the bodily resurrestion from the dead.

Saying God destroyed the body of Jesus whereas the bible said Jesus body saw no corruption and yet again Jesus said he will raise his body after it was destroyed by the Jesus.

Viciheaka:

Jesus Christ body was transformed from ordinary flesh and blood into a spiritual body which can teleport,pass through wall etc

Hairyrapunzel:


Abeg show us the bible passage where it was said that he excreted or didn't excrete. GBAM

You are the person sounding dumb. Simple bible passage you can't show