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shadeyinka:
Acta 1:8 isn't gender specific.
I don't even know a single spiritual gift/ office that is gender specific.

BTW
Apostle means " ONE who is SENT OUT"

smh, go to verses of the bible that concern orderliness and church doctrine..

solite3:
smh, go to verses of the bible that concern orderliness and church doctrine..

Don't change topic. No Christian will subscribe to disorderliness!

Is Acts1:8 gender specific?

These issue is a very big issue in churches, the churches are a haven for lawlessness, non charlance and unruly behaviour.
Many people claim they having calling hence go on to start their church as if church is a person property where we have papa G.O and mama G.O, anything can go with the belief that God can use anybody.

shadeyinka:
Don't change topic. No Christian will subscribe to disorderliness!

Is Acts1:8 gender specific?

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

And what has this got to do with church leadership.

shadeyinka:
See how satan subtly twist the scriptures.
1. Works is replaced by "WORK OUT"
2. Orderliness is inserted to convey his intended misinformation. I've helped you to put faith and works in perspective without insertion or distortion of words

Jam 2:17: "Even so faith, if it has not works , is dead, being alone."

Jam 2:18: "Yes, a man may say, You have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works."

Jam 2:20: "But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

Jam 2:22: "See you how faith worked with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?"

Jam 2:24: "You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

OK, i'm now Satan shey?

Well let me enlighten you Sir!

Ogun, Sango, Obatala, Amadioa, Zeus, Hermes, Jupiter are all Gods, so Apostle Paul could say "there are many Gods and Lords, but for Christians there is just one God" 1Corinthians 8:5-6

Note that each of those Gods have rules to be STRICTLY kept by their worshipers, the God of Israel (whom you're claiming is your God also have rules) that's why he began by setting out his rules to show that everything must be orderly.

Well know now that it's a shame if the worshipers of those Gods (despite not having a WRITTEN form of words from their Gods) know how to do things in order as they have the same mindset, whereas you who claims to be worshiping the God of Abraham (who has given you WRITTEN documents on how things ought to be done) finds it extremely difficult to resolve the differences in your midst! 2Timothy 3:15

solite3:
pls show me from the biblical proof of such.

John, Peter etc were Elders/general overseers/bishop and also operated in the office of an Apostle.

1 Peter 5:1
KJV:The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

2 Peter 1:1
KJV:Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

solite3:
you are confusing yourself, A woman could be an apostle, pastor but not a church leader , you think an apostle is the highest church leader one who Jesus appoint to build the body of Christ.
A pastor is a leader of a local assembly of christian you are contradicting yourself again how can a woman be an apostle or a pastor without being a leader of the/ a church.

The head of a church is an Elder/Bishop/General Overseer. He is and must be AN ADULT MALE HUMAN. He can also operate in the office of an apostle, pastor, teacher, evangelist etc.

A woman can operate in any of the offices above BUT NOT AS AN ELDER/BISHOP/GENERAL OVERSEER.

solite3:
Show me an example of a woman pastor or apostle in the bible and I will take you people serious.

Go check the meaning of the word "Apostle or pastor" and see if that role is gender specific before jumping into irrelevant conclusions.

BTW there are a whole loads of things we do and practice as Christians that are not expressly commanded in the scripture. So if you must stick with this view, you must do same with the following

1. No wearing of wedding band/ring to indicate that you are married,

2. No attending of primary and secondary school including a tertiary institution, afterall as Christians we have the Holy Spirit that indwells us to teach us all things.

solite3:
If you see as how I m laughing at you guys incompetence and cluelessness, contradiction and confusion all to hold a man made ideology or belief.

Is 1 Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11 gender specific? Please don't invade this question this time around.

1 Corinthians 12:28
KJV:And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Ephesians 4:11
KJV:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

solite3:
nope I am not the one that says so but the word of God.

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

I invite 1StopRudeness, shadeyinka, BlueAngel444 as witnesses found on this thread.
Solite3, the scriptures are full of divine parables and if we always take them literally and without the Holy Spirit's guidance, we end up with false doctrines and host of confusion leading to even our own condemnation(Jam3:1, Matt5:19, 2Pet2:1-2, 1Tim1:3-7). If you're willing to take my advice, I always advise believers to quit trying to teach scriptures especially contentious themes that seemingly disagree with the basic principles of Christ. Rather invest in spiritual growth(which is all that really counts in eternity) through knowing the Holy Spirit, obeying God, and encountering Him on deeper levels continuously and He will reveal Himself to us and whatever needs to be known in scriptures in due time and the right order. I'll give you a chance to save this thread, otherwise please close it down as a mistake for the sake of the innocent lambs, especially females. If you can answer my question unequivocally, then I'll know what next. But if you can't, then you have only misunderstood this scripture and should shut down this thread. Here goes, If you truly believe the women being referred to here in 1Tim:11-12 are the female gender around us, then how did God manage to integrate childbirth into their salvation programme, (v15). Please also include in explanation what God will do about the barren women who will never give birth as well as all celibate females and even the male gender who will all never know childbirth. I could easily tell you the interpretations of Paul's parables here but as Muttleylaff knows well, I usually avoid raising questions so I'll leave only a clue: the wise will find the answer in between my very words. The Holy Spirit is anointing so many women today into the pastoral office not as exceptions or special cases but as a norm under Christ, in which there is neither male nor female, even where spiritually capable men are, friend. Don't frustrate their blessed souls because of your misconception of scriptures, which the Spirit never revealed to you.

Finallydead:
I invite 1StopRudeness, shadeyinka, BlueAngel444 as witnesses found on this thread.
Solite3, the scriptures are full of divine parables and if we always take them literally and without the Holy Spirit's guidance, we end up with false doctrines and host of confusion leading to even our own condemnation(Jam3:1, Matt5:19, 2Pet2:1-2, 1Tim1:3-7). If you're willing to take my advice, I always advise believers to quit trying to teach scriptures especially contentious themes that seemingly disagree with the basic principles of Christ. Rather invest in spiritual growth(which is all that really counts in eternity) through knowing the Holy Spirit, obeying God, and encountering Him on deeper levels continuously and He will reveal Himself to us and whatever needs to be known in scriptures in due time and the right order. I'll give you a chance to save this thread, otherwise please close it down as a mistake for the sake of the innocent lambs, especially females. If you can answer my question unequivocally, then I'll know what next. But if you can't, then you have only misunderstood this scripture and should shut down this thread. Here goes, If you truly believe the women being referred to here in 1Tim:11-12 are the female gender around us, then how did God manage to integrate childbirth into their salvation programme, (v15). Please also include in explanation what God will do about the barren women who will never give birth as well as all celibate females and even the male gender who will all never know childbirth. I could easily tell you the interpretations of Paul's parables here but as Muttleylaff knows well, I usually avoid raising questions so I'll leave only a clue: the wise will find the answer in between my very words. The Holy Spirit is anointing so many women today into the pastoral office not as exceptions or special cases but as a norm under Christ, in which there is neither male nor female, even where spiritually capable men are, friend. Don't frustrate their blessed souls because of your misconception of scriptures, which the Spirit never revealed to you.

one problem with people like you is that when you dont have scriptural backing or when scripture is against your actions you claim it is holy Spirit. What you failed to understand is that the Holy Spirit cannot go against his word.

You claim 1 Tim 2 vv11 to 12 does not apply to the modern woman, this is how satan deceive alot of people saying ' times have change' but does it change the timesless word of God? Forgeting that same 1 timothy told women to dress moderately with shamefacedness going by your logic it does not apply to the modern woman, so you keep setting aside God's word for your modern culture or tradition making it lose its power.
Women shall be saved through child birth does not have to do with eternal life.
The key to understanding that statement is in genesis.
The woman was placed under to curses
1. Child birth pain
2.their desire is toward their husband and their husband would have to rule over them.
The second curse is a desire generally to control man or place herself in man's position for example when always feel the need to manipulate or mould man to her taste, this is as a result of her fallen nature but when she gives birth to a child she can channel that desire to her child hence saving her form her desire.

Finallydead:
solite3 are you actually saying that women can neither be pastor's nor teachers over congregations having men?

solite3:
nope I am not the one that says so but the word of God.

1 Timothy 2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

"Greet one another with a holy kiss."
- 2 Corinthians 13:12

"Salute one another with a holy kiss.
All the congregations {Gr. ekklesia – called out ones} of Christ salute you."
- Romans 16:16

"All the brothers here send you greetings.
Greet one another with a holy kiss."
- 1 Corinthians 16:20

"Greet all the brothers with a holy kiss."
- 1 Thessalonians 5:26

"Greet one another with a kiss of love.
Peace to all of you who are in Christ"
- 1 Peter 5:14

solite3, I wonder if you do regularly kiss the brethren and sisters with a holy kiss, lol, hmm? I'll just like FinallyDead, not say more than that, as I believe, with help of the Spirit of Truth, you are capable of joining the dots together and get a clearer picture of what was the development in Ephesus at that time and the reason why Apostle Paul laid down that biblical temporary injunction particularly only to church at Ephesus

Finallydead:
I invite 1StopRudeness, shadeyinka, BlueAngel444 as witnesses found on this thread.
solite3, the scriptures are full of divine parables and if we always take them literally and without the Holy Spirit's guidance, we end up with false doctrines and host of confusion leading to even our own condemnation (Jam 3:1, Matt 5:19, 2 Pet 2:1-2, 1 Tim1:3-7). If you're willing to take my advice, I always advise believers to quit trying to teach scriptures especially contentious themes that seemingly disagree with the basic principles of Christ. Rather invest in spiritual growth (which is all that really counts in eternity) through knowing the Holy Spirit, obeying God, and encountering Him on deeper levels continuously and He will reveal Himself to us and whatever needs to be known in scriptures in due time and the right order. I'll give you a chance to save this thread, otherwise please close it down as a mistake for the sake of the innocent lambs, especially females. If you can answer my question unequivocally, then I'll know what next. But if you can't, then you have only misunderstood this scripture and should shut down this thread. Here goes, If you truly believe the women being referred to here in 1Tim:11-12 are the female gender around us, then how did God manage to integrate childbirth into their salvation programme, (v15). Please also include in explanation what God will do about the barren women who will never give birth as well as all celibate females and even the male gender who will all never know childbirth. I could easily tell you the interpretations of Paul's parables here but as Muttleylaff knows well, I usually avoid raising questions so I'll leave only a clue: the wise will find the answer in between my very words.

The Holy Spirit is anointing so many women today into the pastoral office not as exceptions or special cases but as a norm under Christ, in which there is neither male nor female, even where spiritually capable men are, friend. Don't frustrate their blessed souls because of your misconception of scriptures, which the Spirit never revealed to you.

"Salute Andronicus and Junia/Junias, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me."
- Romans 16:7

solite3, aside Romans 16:7 above, fyi, the woman has been absolved by Jesus. God did, lol, when Jesus asked her this: "Woman, where are your accusers, Where are they? Is there no one left to condemn you?" She said, "No one, Lord." and Jesus then said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more." So, if after 2000 years of that, women are still having a hard time, then who is to blame, definitely not God, lol, solite3.

The classic finger pointing game, eh, lol. Three other fingers are pointing back and the fourth at the spot we are standing on, lol. Discrimination, on varying levels is rife, lol, if not its veiled, sometimes its pretence that its not there, but the thing itself speaks, the thing speaks for itself, the evidences and facts speak for themselves, lol, especially when we still have the likes of the solite3 of this world, slipping on that 1 Timothy 2:12 banana skin, still whole world wide accusing and condemning the woman.

MuttleyLaff:
"Greet one another with a holy kiss."
- 2 Corinthians 13:12

"Salute one another with a holy kiss.
All the congregations {Gr. ekklesia – called out ones} of Christ salute you."
- Romans 16:16

"All the brothers here send you greetings.
Greet one another with a holy kiss."
- 1 Corinthians 16:20

"Greet all the brothers with a holy kiss."
- 1 Thessalonians 5:26

"Greet one another with a kiss of love.
Peace to all of you who are in Christ"
- 1 Peter 5:14

solite3, I wonder if you do regularly kiss the brethren and sisters with a holy kiss, lol, hmm? I'll just like FinallyDead, not say more than that, as I believe, with help of the Spirit of Truth, you are capable of joining the dots together and get a clearer picture of what was the development in Ephesus at that time and the reason why Apostle Paul laid down that biblical temporary injunction particularly only to church at Ephesus

"Salute Andronicus and Junia/Junias, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me."
- Romans 16:7

solite3, aside Romans 16:7 above, fyi, the woman has been absolved by Jesus. God did, lol, when Jesus asked her this: "Woman, where are your accusers, Where are they? Is there no one left to condemn you?" She said, "No one, Lord." and Jesus then said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more." So, if after 2000 years of that, women are still having a hard time, then who is to blame, definitely not God, lol, solite3.

The classic finger pointing game, eh, lol. Three other fingers are pointing back and the fourth at the spot we are standing on, lol. Discrimination, on varying levels is rife, lol, if not its veiled, sometimes its pretence that its not there, but the thing itself speaks, the thing speaks for itself, the evidences and facts speak for themselves, lol, especially when we still have the likes of the solite3 of this world, slipping on that 1 Timothy 2:12 banana skin, still whole world wide accusing and condemning the woman.

out of point

solite3:
one problem with people like you is that when you dont have scriptural backing or when scripture is against your actions you claim it is holy Spirit. What you failed to understand is that the Holy Spirit cannot go against his word.

You claim 1 Tim 2 vv11 to 12 does not apply to the modern woman, this is how satan deceive alot of people saying ' times have change' but does it change the timesless word of God? Forgeting that same 1 timothy told women to dress moderately with shamefacedness going by your logic it does not apply to the modern woman, so you keep setting aside God's word for your modern culture or tradition making it lose its power.
Women shall be saved through child birth does not have to do with eternal life.
The key to understanding that statement is in genesis.
The woman was placed under to curses
1. Child birth pain
2.their desire is toward their husband and their husband would have to rule over them.
The second curse is a desire generally to control man or place herself in man's position for example when always feel the need to manipulate or mould man to her taste, this is as a result of her fallen nature but when she gives birth to a child she can channel that desire to her child hence saving her form her desire.

solite3:
out of point

You would say out of point, wouldnt you, with that your knee jerking fingers immediate unthinking and emotional reaction, all because you're highly sensitive and an incorrigible incurable.

This is why you dont see that the woman has been absolved of the curse and advised not to sin no more, so meaning the question of your alleged "a desire generally to control man or place herself in man's position for example when always feel the need to manipulate or mould man to her taste" is a non issue to a redeemed true daughter of God.

Your ego will not let you learn from women who happen to be biblically highly well informed and spiritually more knowledgeable than you are. Women can teach men, so far they are not teaching anything that is against the expressed will and/or command of God. Women can assume position of leadership either spiritually or secularly.

There are women leaders in the Bible, same way women leader in the secular world, like Theresa May ex-PM of UK, Angela Merkel current chancellor of Germany, Nicola Sturgeon the First Minister of Scotland and the leader of the Scottish Government, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf former President of Liberia from 2006 to 2018 and was the first elected female head of state in Africa etcetera.

solite3:
one problem with people like you is that when you dont have scriptural backing or when scripture is against your actions you claim it is holy Spirit. What you failed to understand is that the Holy Spirit cannot go against his word.

You claim 1 Tim 2 vv11 to 12 does not apply to the modern woman, this is how satan deceive alot of people saying ' times have change' but does it change the timesless word of God? Forgeting that same 1 timothy told women to dress moderately with shamefacedness going by your logic it does not apply to the modern woman, so you keep setting aside God's word for your modern culture or tradition making it lose its power.
Women shall be saved through child birth does not have to do with eternal life.
The key to understanding that statement is in genesis.
The woman was placed under to curses
1. Child birth pain
2.their desire is toward their husband and their husband would have to rule over them.
The second curse is a desire generally to control man or place herself in man's position for example when always feel the need to manipulate or mould man to her taste, this is as a result of her fallen nature but when she gives birth to a child she can channel that desire to her child hence saving her form her desire.

Wow. Solite3 would you go this far? So it's still not obvious to you that Paul is speaking in parables which the early church clearly understood, but unfortunately most in our generation don't. You'll probably also claim that the woman in Rev12 was a literal woman or that the Lord meant in Jon16:21-22 that the apostles were all women. And yes, the dress code there is also very figurative with each detail having its spiritual parallel, in case you dont know. Solite3, it's such a clumsy defence you have given to say that literal childbirth is part of how God saves the woman without considering the sisters who will never give birth on earth. I thought you also believed in salvation by solely grace but here you are adding childbirth exclusive of Christ's finished works, for women. According to you His salvation plan is gender specific. Even your conscience alone should tell you that an unbelieving lady also gives birth and will never be saved by that. And FYI, I never said the text doesnt apply to the modern woman, I said it doesnt apply here to any literal woman either in those days or now. The Holy Spirit can never go against His word but you can by just misconstruing it and not depending on Him to help you understand. Solite3, since you failed to give a valid rational answer to my question, it's not too late to close down this thread or else you have all the time in the world to try again. Go read Rom16:7 while you're at it and behold the name of the female apostle who was not only an apostle but a chief apostle, in Christ before Paul.

Finallydead:
Wow. Solite3 would you go this far? So it's still not obvious to you that Paul is speaking in parables which the early church clearly understood, but unfortunately most in our generation don't. You'll probably also claim that the woman in Rev12 was a literal woman or that the Lord meant in Jon16:21-22 that the apostles were all women. And yes, the dress code there is also very figurative with each detail having its spiritual parallel, in case you dont know. Solite3, it's such a clumsy defence you have given to say that literal childbirth is part of how God saves the woman without considering the sisters who will never give birth on earth. I thought you also believed in salvation by solely grace but here you are adding childbirth exclusive of Christ's finished works, for women. According to you His salvation plan is gender specific. Even your conscience alone should tell you that an unbelieving lady also gives birth and will never be saved by that. And FYI, I never said the text doesnt apply to the modern woman, I said it doesnt apply here to any literal woman either in those days or now. The Holy Spirit can never go against His word but you can by just misconstruing it and not depending on Him to help you understand. Solite3, since you failed to give a valid rational answer to my question, it's not too late to close down this thread or else you have all the time in the world to try again. Go read Rom16:7 while you're at it and behold the name of the female apostle who was in Christ before Paul.

If solite3 should humble himself to carefully and thoughtly read 1 Timothy 2:12 in context, as in, meaning, not read that 1 Timothy 2:12 biblical verse text in isolation and just by itself alone, but to read the whole letter about the problems going on at Ephesus, he would have seen and noticed where the teething problem was, at 1 Timothy 1:3-11 and the reason why Paul was employing this temporary "women not yet to teach men" injunction. We know that Priscilla corrected Apollos, a prominent male preacher, so shows Apostle Paul has no problem with women of note and good repute teaching men. Jesus' mum told men what to do even after Jesus asked the archetype Eve in her, Woman, why should He be bothered about there being no wine for the wedding party, as His hour had not yet come. Nonetheless, Jesus still went ahead at the Woman's, His mother's prompt to perform the turning water into wine miracle. The miracle, obviously is a hinting message of the cleansing and new wine in new skin soon to happen.

solite3:
Should women become pastors?

The Bible draws a connection between the home and the church. Just as there is a role distinction at home—where the husband is called to lead the family—there is also one at church.

At home men are proving their fitness to be elders (pastors), and at church they are the ones who are given that role. Paul says explicitly, "I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man" (1 Timothy 2:12). And those two functions—teaching and exercising authority—are the functions of the elder.

It's not a problem for a woman to minister in hundreds of ways in the church, but the office of leadership and teaching of men is preserved for spiritual and godly men.

Why didn't Jesus choose women as some of his apostles?

The Twelve are all men. That was intentional, because they are all given incredible authority to found the church. They are like pastors, only they have more authority than pastors.

But Jesus did call women, and he called them into significant ministry. Read the beginning of Luke 8 or see the role of women at the Resurrection. Jesus broke significant taboos in the way that he elevated the role of women. It was counter-cultural to have Mary sitting at his feet learning like a rabbinic student at the feet of his teacher. And it was counter-cultural for him to have women so closely attending him, providing for his needs, and for him to be so merciful to the women of the street.

Jesus was pro-woman to the max. But he did not choose women to be apostles. That wasn't because he was enslaved to his times. It was because, in coherence with the rest of the Bible (Genesis 1-2, Ephesians 5, 1 Corinthians 11, and 1 Timothy 2), he believed that it would be healthy for the church and the family if men assumed the role of Christ-like, humble, caring, servant-leaders, and if the women came in alongside with their respective gifts to help carry his leadership through according to those gifts.

So I sympathize with any confusion on this matter, and I pray that the Lord would give you light to see that it's really not very complicated: God has ordained that in the home and in the church men assume a special role of responsible leadership and teaching.
www.desiringgod.com

Oh are you guys sexists or what, the days of old testament have past, didn't you see the life of katryn kulman she was annoited. Women can be pastors and leaders too.

1StopRudeness:
Ur questions are hard to understand please I ddnt insinuate the above.... mostly I don’t get its premiseout of all the point dropped here....so, no comment here

Well if u understood scripture u would understand

Finallydead:
I invite 1StopRudeness, shadeyinka, BlueAngel444 as witnesses found on this thread.
Solite3, the scriptures are full of divine parables and if we always take them literally and without the Holy Spirit's guidance, we end up with false doctrines and host of confusion leading to even our own condemnation(Jam3:1, Matt5:19, 2Pet2:1-2, 1Tim1:3-7). If you're willing to take my advice, I always advise believers to quit trying to teach scriptures especially contentious themes that seemingly disagree with the basic principles of Christ. Rather invest in spiritual growth(which is all that really counts in eternity) through knowing the Holy Spirit, obeying God, and encountering Him on deeper levels continuously and He will reveal Himself to us and whatever needs to be known in scriptures in due time and the right order. I'll give you a chance to save this thread, otherwise please close it down as a mistake for the sake of the innocent lambs, especially females. If you can answer my question unequivocally, then I'll know what next. But if you can't, then you have only misunderstood this scripture and should shut down this thread. Here goes, If you truly believe the women being referred to here in 1Tim:11-12 are the female gender around us, then how did God manage to integrate childbirth into their salvation programme, (v15). Please also include in explanation what God will do about the barren women who will never give birth as well as all celibate females and even the male gender who will all never know childbirth. I could easily tell you the interpretations of Paul's parables here but as Muttleylaff knows well, I usually avoid raising questions so I'll leave only a clue: the wise will find the answer in between my very words. The Holy Spirit is anointing so many women today into the pastoral office not as exceptions or special cases but as a norm under Christ, in which there is neither male nor female, even where spiritually capable men are, friend. Don't frustrate their blessed souls because of your misconception of scriptures, which the Spirit never revealed to you.

Are you asking to know or you're claiming to know.


And if you don't agree with God's view as Paul clearly repeatedly writes the same things over and over and even says it is a command from the Lord.

Bro either you accept it or you don't. Just the same way the people rejected Jesus because they did not understand

Trying to fit God into their own shoe box size

MuttleyLaff:
"Greet one another with a holy kiss."
- 2 Corinthians 13:12

"Salute one another with a holy kiss.
All the congregations {Gr. ekklesia – called out ones} of Christ salute you."
- Romans 16:16

"All the brothers here send you greetings.
Greet one another with a holy kiss."
- 1 Corinthians 16:20

"Greet all the brothers with a holy kiss."
- 1 Thessalonians 5:26

"Greet one another with a kiss of love.
Peace to all of you who are in Christ"
- 1 Peter 5:14

solite3, I wonder if you do regularly kiss the brethren and sisters with a holy kiss, lol, hmm? I'll just like FinallyDead, not say more than that, as I believe, with help of the Spirit of Truth, you are capable of joining the dots together and get a clearer picture of what was the development in Ephesus at that time and the reason why Apostle Paul laid down that biblical temporary injunction particularly only to church at Ephesus

"Salute Andronicus and Junia/Junias, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me."
- Romans 16:7

solite3, aside Romans 16:7 above, fyi, the woman has been absolved by Jesus. God did, lol, when Jesus asked her this: "Woman, where are your accusers, Where are they? Is there no one left to condemn you?" She said, "No one, Lord." and Jesus then said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more." So, if after 2000 years of that, women are still having a hard time, then who is to blame, definitely not God, lol, solite3.

The classic finger pointing game, eh, lol. Three other fingers are pointing back and the fourth at the spot we are standing on, lol. Discrimination, on varying levels is rife, lol, if not its veiled, sometimes its pretence that its not there, but the thing itself speaks, the thing speaks for itself, the evidences and facts speak for themselves, lol, especially when we still have the likes of the solite3 of this world, slipping on that 1 Timothy 2:12 banana skin, still whole world wide accusing and condemning the woman.

There's no way you know God, and that the Holy Spirit reveals scripture to you and gives you God's understanding and you will write much of what you wrote above.

So God is a liar but the world is right.

Some of you need to ask yourselves what spirits are inspiring you lot

hashtagged:
Oh are you guys sexists or what, the days of old testament have past, didn't you see the life of katryn kulman she was annoited. Women can be pastors and leaders too.

Please where can we find the story of this so called anointed woman IN THE BIBLE?

Solite3, Shadeyinka please take note!

As long as you people failed to know that God is no more calling anyone directly after his son has laid down the arrangement of calling people to salvation {Revelation 22:17} arguments regarding standards will continue to disorganize you people, because you've debunked the one source of distinguishing who is who!

Meanwhile the so called Kathryn Kulman may
©Speak in tongues
©Perform signs
©Prophecy
©Gather followers {1Corinthians 13:1-3}
all in the name of Jesus, but since she did not LOVE the arrangement laid down by the first century Christians {1Corinthians 13:13} she is one of those WORKERS OF INIQUITY! Matthew 7:21-23

So Jesus don't even know her!

shadeyinka:
Don't change topic. No Christian will subscribe to disorderliness!
Is Acts1:8 gender specific?

Is being a witness mean having authority?

solite3:
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

And what has this got to do with church leadership.

Oh u have answered him self

I wonder what spirit speaks to people to go contrary to scripture and claim that is what God means


Or wait that's what the devil does

hashtagged:
Oh are you guys sexists or what, the days of old testament have past, didn't you see the life of katryn kulman she was annoited. Women can be pastors and leaders too.

Anointed by who?

BlueAngel444:
Is being a witness mean having authority?

I wonder o!

@ Hebrew 11:31 Paul included the name of that PROSTITUTE of Jericho (Rahab) and concluded that she is part of the WITNESSES! Hebrew 12:1

But that doesn't implies she could have any authority over men who are serving God! 1Timothy 2:12

CaveAdullam:
John, Peter etc were Elders/general overseers/bishop and also operated in the office of an Apostle.

1 Peter 5:1
KJV:The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

2 Peter 1:1
KJV:Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

The head of a church is an Elder/Bishop/General Overseer. He is and must be AN ADULT MALE HUMAN. He can also operate in the office of an apostle, pastor, teacher, evangelist etc.

A woman can operate in any of the offices above BUT NOT AS AN ELDER/BISHOP/GENERAL OVERSEER.


Go check the meaning of the word "Apostle or pastor" and see if that role is gender specific before jumping into irrelevant conclusions.

BTW there are a whole loads of things we do and practice as Christians that are not expressly commanded in the scripture. So if you must stick with this view, you must do same with the following

1. No wearing of wedding band/ring to indicate that you are married,

2. No attending of primary and secondary school including a tertiary institution, afterall as Christians we have the Holy Spirit that indwells us to teach us all things.

Is 1 Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11 gender specific? Please don't invade this question this time around.

1 Corinthians 12:28
KJV:And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Ephesians 4:11
KJV:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

So wait are you saying because pastor means shepherd that women can be shepherds.

U may jump and say yes, and even quote the few women who were in the OT but recall that those women needed the presence of a man.


How does a woman become the husband of one wife?


If you guys won't have the wisdom of God atleast have the fear of God na. Do you guys think God is an auto of confusion.

shadeyinka:
But in field Work, except the minister is a man, the worker may find out that she's acting in the offices of
Apostle
Prophet
Teacher
Pastor
Evangelist
all at once.

Infact eh, u listing this offices and field work goes to show...

Wait before I talk, please explain what u think the roles of those offices are.

Because if u properly understand them, u won't be making some statements carelessly

BlueAngel444:
Anointed by who?

By the spirit of ANTICHRIST i suppose!

Because any spirit anointing anyone to go contrary to stipulated principles as found in God's word must be that which the Bible referred to as the Anti~Christ! 1John 2:18

@1John 2:22

We read that whoever denied Jesus as Christ is the Antichrist!

Christ means Messiah, Messiah means anointed of God. So if God's Anointed Son could select 1~12 persons (all males) and later chose another Apostle (still a male) to lead God's people during the end time. Whoever thinks they can do better by anointing females as heads in their congregation should know where they truly belong!

shadeyinka:
But the church is simply a congregation of people who have been saved.
The assembly of 12 new converts is a church by proper definition

1.What is a convert or who is a convert?
2. In Samaria where the people a church A. after Philip B. after Peter

Maximus69:
By the spirit of ANTICHRIST i suppose!

Because any spirit anointing anyone to go contrary to stipulated principles as found in God's word must be that which the Bible referred to as the Anti~Christ! 1John 2:18

@1John 2:22

We read that whoever denied Jesus as Christ is the Antichrist!

Christ means Messiah, Messiah means anointed of God. So if God's Anointed Son could select 1~12 persons (all males) and later chose another Apostle (still a male) to lead God's people during the end time. Whoever thinks they can do better by anointing females as heads in their congregation should know where they truly belong!

waiting for the person that will say o because Jesus sent Mary, that means she is an Apostle because Apostle means sent

It won't shocked me, the devil don dey twist God's word since Genesis (for garden)

CaveAdullam:
is 1 Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11 gender specific?

1 Corinthians 12:28

KJV:And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Ephesians 4:11

KJV:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;




Firstly, I will like you to go back to 1 Timothy 2:14 so that you can understand it properly because it doesn't tally or explain your points. They are both parallel.

Lets see 2 Timothy 2:20-21

KJV:But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

KJV:If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

From the above bible passage we can see that a vessel of honour fit for the Master's use is not considered from a gender perspective.

The way u quoted scripture, like ur point was in it,
And the way u brought about ur conclusion - as ur point wasn't in it



Shows how those fake pulpit speakers that are leading souls to hell preach.

Go to God to teach you His word

BlueAngel444:
So wait are you saying because pastor means shepherd that women can be shepherds.

U may jump and say yes, and even quote the few women who were in the OT but recall that those women needed the presence of a man.


How does a woman become the husband of one wife?


If you guys won't have the wisdom of God atleast have the fear of God na. Do you guys think God is an auto of confusion.

my problem with you is that you lack basic comprehension and yet you claim you know when all your posts here is not consistent with the topic raised by the OP. Please stick to the matter at hand.

Now my question BlueAngel444, Maximus69,Solite3

Is 1 Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11 gender specific? Please don't evade this question this time around.

1 Corinthians 12:28

KJV:And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Ephesians 4:11

KJV:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Romans 16:17
KJV:Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

PS: Andronicus is a male name while Junia is a female name.

BlueAngel444:
The way u quoted scripture, like ur point was in it,
And the way u brought about ur conclusion - as ur point wasn't in it



Shows how those fake pulpit speakers that are leading souls to hell preach.

Go to God to teach you His word

So this is all you have got Huh? Mentioning/quoting me without countering the points or answering the question.

Stop misfiring dude!

MuttleyLaff:
You would say out of point, wouldnt you, with that your knee jerking fingers immediate unthinking and emotional reaction, all because you're highly sensitive and an incorrigible incurable.

This is why you dont see that the woman has been absolved of the curse and advised not to sin no more, so meaning the question of your alleged "a desire generally to control man or place herself in man's position for example when always feel the need to manipulate or mould man to her taste" is a non issue to a redeemed true daughter of God.

Your ego will not let you learn from women who happen to be biblically highly well informed and spiritually more knowledgeable than you are. Women can teach men, so far they are not teaching anything that is against the expressed will and/or command of God. Women can assume position of leadership either spiritually or secularly.

There are women leaders in the Bible, same way women leader in the secular world, like Theresa May ex-PM of UK, Angela Merkel current chancellor of Germany, Nicola Sturgeon the First Minister of Scotland and the leader of the Scottish Government, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf former President of Liberia from 2006 to 2018 and was the first elected female head of state in Africa etcetera.

ok Angela Merkel, Nicola sturgeon, etc are church leaders if that is what you want.

hashtagged:
Oh are you guys sexists or what, the days of old testament have past, didn't you see the life of katryn kulman she was annoited. Women can be pastors and leaders too.

where in the bible do you have female pastors and church leaders, dont get me wrong women can be leaders over fellow women and teach them but are not to be pastors or teachers of men that is the biblical stand.
Is katryn kulman the standard or the bible?