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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by garetz:
LordReed:
No goalposts moved bro, instead your hypocrisy is revealed. Someone says clearly we have eyes on the Ukraine ambassador and you come here to say it's not true while you pushed pizzagate based on the most twisted reading of an email. There is no goal shifting, you are hypocrites is all.
Your delusion is what has been revealed, it must be in your delusional mind that you saw me pushing pizzagate because I have never done anything like that. And it's is also in your delusional mind that "Someone says clearly we have eyes on the Ukraine ambassador", the Ukraine ambassador wasn't mentioned anywhere in those text messages, it's just delusional liberals like you spreading fake news.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by garetz: 2:20pm On Jan 16, 2020
LordReed:
He was not the one carrying out the surveillance, he was not the one who purportedly hired the people so he cannot say categorically that it didn't happen.

BTW this is the same person you are trying to discredit so how come you now believe him on this? LMFAO!
Yours is one of the worst cases of delusion I've seen yet, where in those text messages did you see that people were hired to do anything? You are literally making things up in your delusional mind
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by garetz: 2:23pm On Jan 16, 2020
LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! That's why 8 henchmen of Donald Trump are in prison or indicted because the Democrats hired them right? LMFAO!
Yeah, people that were jailed either for process crimes or for things they did long before they joined the Trump campaign.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by obixcel(m): 2:46pm On Jan 16, 2020
garetz:
Yeah, people that were jailed either for process crimes or for things they did long before they joined the Trump campaign.
You can sense the desperation in the minds of these libtards. They don't even talk about their Candidates' chances of beating Trump..oh wait! They don't stand a chance! grin grin grin grin
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by garetz: 3:30pm On Jan 16, 2020
After using taxpayers money to buy gold engraved pens for themselves to celebrate their impeachment "achievement", the corrupt Democrat rep members are now auctioning the pens online for as much as $17,000 a piece!! Can you imagine that?

Is this now their "Slush fund" memorabilia idea? This is sick!!

Wonder if the FBI can find out who is auctioning it off?

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by TheShopKeeper(m): 4:06pm On Jan 16, 2020
garetz:
That's fake news, Those text messages had nothing to do with any potential surveillance or harm to a US official. All the other things you wrote there are irrelevant, everyone knows Giuliani went to Ukraine to get evidence to clear his client Donald Trump over colluding in elections interference so what light have the new documents shed? To be more specific, what criminal or illegal activities were uncovered in the so called 400 pages of documents. Below is a clip from the link you posted up there.
...The world is still waiting for the evidence about the Bidens and alleged Ukraine interference in the 2016 elections...by the way the Ukraines have finally opened an investigation...however it is not the kind of investigation Trump would like....

Ukraine investigating whether ex-US ambassador was surveilled, after impeachment document dump

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ukraine-investigating-whether-ex-us-ambassador-was-surveilled-after-impeachment-document-dump
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by LordReed(m): 4:29pm On Jan 16, 2020
garetz:
Yeah, people that were jailed either for process crimes or for things they did long before they joined the Trump campaign.
Mwahahaha! So you now agree Trump has bargain basement henchmen. LoL!
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by LordReed(m): 4:36pm On Jan 16, 2020
garetz:
Yours is one of the worst cases of delusion I've seen yet, where in those text messages did you see that people were hired to do anything? You are literally making things up in your delusional mind
Don't worry naa, Ukraine just announced investigation into the matter. We will know who did what.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by happney65: 5:21pm On Jan 16, 2020
"Government watchdog concludes Trump administration broke law by withholding Ukraine aid"

The Olofo asinwin mad people will still try to spin this..cos that is what they are..asslicking the ass of Trump,,Awon oponu... grin grin grin
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by TheShopKeeper(m): 5:27pm On Jan 16, 2020
White House violated the law by freezing Ukraine aid, GAO says

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gao-says-trump-admin-broke-law-ukraine

https://www.gao.gov/assets/710/703909.pdf

In the summer of 2019, the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) withheld from obligation funds appropriated to the Department of Defense (DOD) for security assistance to Ukraine. In order to withhold the funds, OMB issued a series of nine apportionment schedules with footnotes that made all unobligated balances unavailable for obligation.

Faithful execution of the law does not permit the President to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law. OMB withheld funds for a policy reason, which is not permitted under the Impoundment Control Act (ICA). The withholding was not a programmatic delay. Therefore, we conclude that OMB violated the ICA.

The Government Accountability Office issued a legal opinion on Thursday saying that President Trump's administration broke the law by withholding defense aid to Ukraine -- the issue at the heart of the president's impeachment trial.

That money — $214 million which had been allocated to the Department of Defense for security assistance — was appropriated by Congress and therefore the administration did not have the ability to hold the money back because it disagreed with its allocation, the opinion said.

"Faithful execution of the law does not permit the President to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law," the opinion said. "OMB withheld funds for a policy reason ... not a programmatic delay. Therefore, we conclude that the OMB violated the ICA [Impoundment Control Act]."

The Trump administration, through the Office of Management and Budget, withheld a total of about $400 million of security assistance from Ukraine last summer. The $214 million the GAO says was illegally withheld was allocated to the DOD, while the rest was allocated to the State Department. The legal opinion said the GAO also had questions about the money from State, and that it was looking into whether that, "withholding was proper."

"The Constitution grants the President no unilateral authority to withhold funds from obligation," the opinion said. "Instead, Congress has vested the President with strictly circumscribed authority to impound, or withhold, budget authority only in limited circumstances as expressly provided in the ICA."


...It is not about corruption...but massive abuse of power from the Tenant in White House...
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by LordReed(m): 5:31pm On Jan 16, 2020
garetz:
Your delusion is what has been revealed, it must be in your delusional mind that you saw me pushing pizzagate because I have never done anything like that. And it's is also in your delusional mind that "Someone says clearly we have eyes on the Ukraine ambassador", the Ukraine ambassador wasn't mentioned anywhere in those text messages, it's just delusional liberals like you spreading fake news.
You can pretend once again that you don't know I am referring to Yovanovitch, doesn't change a thing. Ukraine will investigate and we will know.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by LordReed(m): 5:33pm On Jan 16, 2020
happney65:
"Government watchdog concludes Trump administration broke law by withholding Ukraine aid"

The Olofo asinwin mad people will still try to spin this..cos that is what they are..asslicking the ass of Trump,,Awon oponu... grin grin grin
TheShopKeeper:
White House violated the law by freezing Ukraine aid, GAO says

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gao-says-trump-admin-broke-law-ukraine

https://www.gao.gov/assets/710/703909.pdf

In the summer of 2019, the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) withheld from obligation funds appropriated to the Department of Defense (DOD) for security assistance to Ukraine. In order to withhold the funds, OMB issued a series of nine apportionment schedules with footnotes that made all unobligated balances unavailable for obligation.

Faithful execution of the law does not permit the President to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law. OMB withheld funds for a policy reason, which is not permitted under the Impoundment Control Act (ICA). The withholding was not a programmatic delay. Therefore, we conclude that OMB violated the ICA.

The Government Accountability Office issued a legal opinion on Thursday saying that President Trump's administration broke the law by withholding defense aid to Ukraine -- the issue at the heart of the president's impeachment trial.

That money — $214 million which had been allocated to the Department of Defense for security assistance — was appropriated by Congress and therefore the administration did not have the ability to hold the money back because it disagreed with its allocation, the opinion said.

"Faithful execution of the law does not permit the President to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law," the opinion said. "OMB withheld funds for a policy reason ... not a programmatic delay. Therefore, we conclude that the OMB violated the ICA [Impoundment Control Act]."

The Trump administration, through the Office of Management and Budget, withheld a total of about $400 million of security assistance from Ukraine last summer. The $214 million the GAO says was illegally withheld was allocated to the DOD, while the rest was allocated to the State Department. The legal opinion said the GAO also had questions about the money from State, and that it was looking into whether that, "withholding was proper."

"The Constitution grants the President no unilateral authority to withhold funds from obligation," the opinion said. "Instead, Congress has vested the President with strictly circumscribed authority to impound, or withhold, budget authority only in limited circumstances as expressly provided in the ICA."


...It is not about corruption...but massive abuse of power from the Tenant in White House...
LMFAO! I think they said Trump did nothing wrong. Mwahahaha! I can already hear them saying so what if the GAO said it's illegal.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by LordReed(m): 5:39pm On Jan 16, 2020
obixcel:
You can sense the desperation in the minds of these libtards. They don't even talk about their Candidates' chances of beating Trump..oh wait! They don't stand a chance! grin grin grin grin
Bwahahahahaha! Now this is classic goal shifting. We are talking about henchmen but you pivot to the democratic candidate. LMFAO!
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by garetz: 5:43pm On Jan 16, 2020
LordReed:
You can pretend once again that you don't know I am referring to Yovanovitch, doesn't change a thing. Ukraine will investigate and we will know.
That's the point, Yovanovitch wasn't mentioned anywhere in those messages undecided
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by garetz: 5:45pm On Jan 16, 2020
LordReed:
Don't worry naa, Ukraine just announced investigation into the matter. We will know who did what.
That's a welcome development
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by TheShopKeeper(m): 5:47pm On Jan 16, 2020
garetz:
Yours is one of the worst cases of delusion I've seen yet, where in those text messages did you see that people were hired to do anything? You are literally making things up in your delusional mind
Kellyanne Conway Refuses to Say Lev Parnas is Lying When Asked FOUR TIMES in Brutal Fox News Interview

https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-kellyanne-conway-refuse-to-say-lev-parnas-is-lying-when-asked-four-times-in-brutal-fox-news-interview/
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by TheShopKeeper(m): 6:15pm On Jan 16, 2020
garetz:
That's a welcome development
...It is a huge embarrassment to the US government, DoJ, State Service and FBI that Ukraine was first to open an investigation to the allegation on the live of a US Ambassador in Kiev...however recently it was ok for Trump to order the killing of an Iranian army general just because he threatened to destroy 4 US embassies as told by Trump...
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by LordReed(m): 6:27pm On Jan 16, 2020
garetz:
That's the point, Yovanovitch wasn't mentioned anywhere in those messages undecided
LMFAO! Yeah keep on pretending.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by TheShopKeeper(m): 6:33pm On Jan 16, 2020
garetz:
Funny to see Democrats who have spent the the last few months claiming that lev parnas is an evil incarnate now believing his words as if he is an infallible God. All I see is a grifter in the clutches of the corrupt New York justice system saying anything they want him to say so he can be freed. Same script was played with Michael Cohen and Rick Gates. He should provide evidence to back up his wild claims or fade away into the dustbin of history like Michael Cohen before him
...But there are massive evidence everywhere of how much Lev Parnas was a close associate of Trump and his family...the guy have got lots of receipts...it's so easy to label him a liar...because Trump, Pence, Rudi, et al haven't got much else to come up with...

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by LordReed(m): 7:00pm On Jan 16, 2020
garetz:
After using taxpayers money to buy gold engraved pens for themselves to celebrate their impeachment "achievement", the corrupt Democrat rep members are now auctioning the pens online for as much as $17,000 a piece!! Can you imagine that?

Is this now their "Slush fund" memorabilia idea? This is sick!!

Wonder if the FBI can find out who is auctioning it off?
More fake news?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Kopfschmerzens: 8:09pm On Jan 16, 2020
The ever tweeting IMPOTUS have not mentioned anything about Lev Parnes since the interview on cableTV.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by happney65: 10:25pm On Jan 16, 2020
Trump still says he does not know Lev Parnes...My wife just called him a repentant Liar.. grin grin grin
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by feedthenation(m): 10:32pm On Jan 16, 2020
garetz:
He is the attorney general for God's sakes!! Trump only mentioned him in relation to his request for Ukraine to investigate corruption and Ukrainian interference in US elections. Trump said I will ask the Attorney general to talk with you about that. He didn't even mention Bill Barr by name.
It will be good if you have read the full transcript, on page 5 https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

The President: Good well thank you very much and I appreciate that. I will tell Rudy and Attorney General Barr to call. Thank you. Whenever you would like -to come to the White House,. feel free to call. Give us a date and we'll work that out 1ook forward to seeing you.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by obixcel(m): 11:08pm On Jan 16, 2020
Just after the Democratic Debate, caught on a hot mic, CNN actually released the audio of the conversation between Warren and Bernie.
Warren: I think you called me a liar on national TV
Bernie: What?
Warren: I think you called me a liar on national TV
Bernie: Let's not do it right now...Do you want to have that discussion? We'll have that discussion
Warren: Anytime
Bernie: You called me a liar - You told me - alright let's not do it now
Steyer *standing in d middle of the two...interjects* "I don't wanna get in the middle of it..I just want to say hi Bernie
Bernie: Yea good Okay

grin grin grin grin grin grin

CNN is very, very wicked, no wonder #CNNIsTrash trended on that same night of d debate on Twitter.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by feedthenation(m): 11:41pm On Jan 16, 2020
From Trump saying he doesn't know Parnas:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/16/politics/donald-trump-lev-parnas-ukraine/index.html

To Parnas releasing this video with Trump at Mar-a-lago on twitter:

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GalaticHorde: 4:27am On Jan 17, 2020
garetz:
You have a very serious problem, you are the one that introduced any talk of conservatives and liberals into the discussion, nobody was saying anything about liberals or conservatives until you brought that up and now you want to project your own act on to another person? You are the one who reacted to it strictly from a liberal vs conservative fogged lens and it says a lot about how smart you are
cure your blindness and tone deafness yourself! Go and read obixcel's follow up post! He emphasised about the so called stupidity of liberals with reference to Meaghan markle in large and prince harry in part, when I quoted him citing that he only asserted his right to his opinion nor a flat out denial of facts a typical oversabi like you is trying to pull! Unless you have something meaningful to contribute in support or against, shut up and take a back seat
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GalaticHorde: 4:39am On Jan 17, 2020
garetz:
Since when did BuzzFeed become British? You posted BuzzFeed opinion on the British press and the royal family yet think we should not have opinions on the matter, do you think that the person that wrote that article is not a human being like you and I? What makes you think his or her opinion is superior to ours? Because they are American? Someone already exposed you yesterday on that but I can't find his post anymore, it seems you got it blocked but we all read it yesterday and he was spot on. You have no problems with Americans opinions on this story but black Africans are not worthy to comment? And you gave your own opinion on the matter too, are you not also African? Both you and the American that wrote that article in BuzzFeed are in the same "bracket of ignorance".
is buzzfeed the only source you saw? I have no problem with black African opinions on this issue either but I have major problems with black Africans stupid enough to have opinions on this issue that has many facets like racism, cultural differences, classism, security, a human angle personal history and almost nothing to do with politics classifying it as a strictly liberal vs conservative clash of opinions because they are daft enough to support trump! If you are one of those stupid black Africans then Bleep of my mentions!

And your special brainfart someone who you think was smart enough ?? undecided ( every pun intended ) to have pointed out to you a point to me gibberish has been banned I believe though I regret not having a part to play in it
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by GalaticHorde: 4:44am On Jan 17, 2020
obixcel:
Liberal vs conservative fogged lens? Like seriously? Neither ideologies has anything to do with my opinion expressed.
really? Oh really? undecided purrrleeease! I only replied you after I read that comment

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by obixcel(m): 10:46am On Jan 17, 2020
happney65:
Trump still says he does not know Lev Parnes...My wife just called him a repentant Liar.. grin grin grin
So you peeps now believe Parnes all of a sudden. Someone already indicted and looking to lessen his sentence would say anything For anything. A picture Or dozens of it doesn't conclude. Take that to a court of law and the Judge would dismiss the case promptly.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by obixcel(m): 4:34pm On Jan 17, 2020
Senate joins House in approving the USMCA in a landslide vote. Another incredible piece of accomplishment by President Trump...also thumbs up to all that voted in favour of it.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by TheShopKeeper(m): 4:37pm On Jan 17, 2020
FBI & ICE Investigating Rep. Ilhan Omar, Conservative Report

https://heavy.com/news/2020/01/fbi-ice-ilhan-omar/

The FBI and ICE are investigating Rep. Ilhan Omar’s activities between 2009 and 2017, including her marriages to Ahmed Hersi and Ahmed Nur Said Elmi. The Blaze’s David Steinberg made the claims in a January 16 article for the Glenn Beck-run conservative website. Steinberg calls the unproven allegations against the Somali-born Minnesota congresswoman as “what could be the worst-ever crime spree by an elected US official.”

Steinberg points to Minnesota state Rep. Steve Drazkowski, who had previously directed Trump-appointed U.S. Attorney Erica McDonald, to look into Rep. Omar’s alleged crimes. Since then, Steinberg says that the FBI has taken “additional steps” since then.

Among other things, Omar, 38, is accused of marrying her brother, Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, in 2009 in order for him to gain entry to the United States. At the time, Elmi was living in London. Steinberg points to Elmi registration at North Dakota State University as a federal education violation, in addition to an immigration violation. Steinberg describes Omar’s crimes as “eight instances of perjury, immigration fraud, marriage fraud, up to eight years of state and federal tax fraud, two years of federal student loan fraud, and even bigamy.”

Since 2002, Omar has been in a romantic relationship with Ahmed Hirsi, who is three years her senior. The couple has three children together. The couple married in their faith in 2002 but did not legally wed. When Omar married Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, the congresswoman said that she and Hirsi had separated. The couple later reconciled in 2011 and had a third child. Omar did not divorce Elmi until 2017. Omar’s complicated marital history was detailed in a lengthy June 2019 Minneapolis Star-Tribune feature.

....About time...
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by feedthenation(m): 1:24am On Jan 18, 2020

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