₦airaland Forum

solmusdesigns:



No service chief had opposed the outfit

*Presidency didnt issue a statement through any of its spokes person (garba shehu or femi adesina)
*Nigerian Army spokesperson didnt release any official press release (infact Buhari has withdrew them from all civillian matters
*IGP even came out to loud the initiative and ask them not to use assualt riffles or unregistered riffles
*National Assembly Hasnt Passed any Resolution stoping its opreation
*No competent Court had issued a court Injuction or Court Order stoping their opreation


the only noise maker so far are Balarabe Musa, Meyetti Allah, Arewa Youths, Arewa Elders and other ussual noise maker

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GideonIdaboh:
With all fairness to the north, they should rule for an additional 16years before handing over power to south coz south comprises of south west and south east/south. My opinion is based on this, if north rules for 8years, the Yoruba's rule for 8 years and the IBO's rule for 8years, that would be cheating to the north coz when you refer to the north, there are other regions which the south is refusing to accept. If the south can be splitted into 2 regions on the basis of who produces the president, then the north should equally split too. Not forgetting that a certain region in the south occupied power for 6 years just recently.
I'd advise us to be objective in analyzing the transiency of which region produces the next president.

solmusdesigns:
I get you bro, but the honest truth is that Civil Police are trained for Civil Duties, no police would leave Civilisation and head to the bush to search for or arrest bandits and criminals, that is why Amotekun like any other vigilantee secuirity group where equiped with rangers truck and bikes to reach remote areas, and local hunters are part of the people enlisted

as for the constituition, SouthWestern Governors informed the IGP as it is required by anyone who wants to set up a vigilante group and IGP gave them dos and donts like type of gun they can lisence and the flashpoint they have issues with, again the went for aproval from Office of the NSA and he cleared them.. even when they visited Buhari after the death of Afenifere leaders daughter they notified Buhari.. the respective governors had issued executive orders within their jurisdiction and all SouthWest Houses already has the bill in process

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Otunba2004:
thank you, also south west is the most viable region in Nigeria without South West Nigeria is finish,am waiting for North to try nonsense with south west we will show them.

Blue3k:
The ultimate solution is to amend the constitution to allow any tier of government to have their own police force and prisons. It also be smart to amend exclusive list item 2 and 1990 fire arms act. Stop the half measures and just do the hard work.

akdjr:
Always get you fact well before you join any conversation. Hisbah is not everywhere in the North and they are not allowed to carry arm against the widespread believe. Amotekun could have been actualize if it was not tagged regional. quote author=oz4real83 post=85921195]This is time for Nigerians to unite against evil. Whatever you do to secure yourself is constitutional. No matter what anybody says or does, as far as Hisbah was allowed to operate in the north, Amotekun and others must also be allowed to operate in other regions.

SpecialAdviser:
I have had a lot of people asking me why this Amotekun has been giving the north sleepless nights. It shows how shallow many Nigerians understand Nigerian politics. In fact let me try to explain something to them. May be they will start understanding Nnamdi Kanu better.

The north contribute very little to Nigerian economic development and would wait for proceeds from Niger Delta oil in order to carry out developmental projects. This is the core cause of Nigerian civil war. Abuja, Kano and other major cities in the north was built solely from oil proceeds.

Suffice is to say that everywhere in the world, oil is not found in every nook and crannies of a country. So Nigeria is not an exception to that simple logic.

But the issue with Nigeria is that the north refuses justice to other parts of Nigeria. Years of military rule refuses tangible project in other parts of the country. And a military channel was put in place to make sure no resistance exists anywhere from Nigeria. This is why you see them colonizing every military and para military organizations. Same reason Obasanjo retired many top military officers of northern origin to wither their influence.

The north fears any resistance that can cause break up and deny them the free flow of Niger Delta oil. The issue is that their mentality of subjugation has caused them big problem managing Nigerian unity. Their notorious nature have even caused a big split within the north itself as many minority northerners have become wiser now. Look at statement from TY Danjuma.

The coming to power by Buhari has escalated this mentality. Fact is that the fear of such subjugations which was evident in Buharis pre election statements caused Igbos to be on the alert resulting to what seemed like a hatred from the Igbos. People like Nnamdi Kanu cashed on this animosity and gained a lot of followership.

The north is always afraid of Nigerian break up but has failed to make Nigeria a country for all.
Im sure America has this intelligence and with the growing hatred they have in the north, we may expect break up earlier than expected.

I would advice Igbos investing so much outside Igboland to think twice before such investments. The future of this country is gloomy and you cannot afford to lose most of your belongings yet again to other Nigerians.

Except divine intervention, the country may have serious issues sooner than expected.

executive12:
But Hisbah operates in at least three States in the North.

executive12:
The core North will still oppose such amendments.

GideonIdaboh:
With all fairness to the north, they should rule for an additional 16years before handing over power to south coz south comprises of south west and south east/south. My opinion is based on this, if north rules for 8years, the Yoruba's rule for 8 years and the IBO's rule for 8years, that would be cheating to the north coz when you refer to the north, there are other regions which the south is refusing to accept. If the south can be splitted into 2 regions on the basis of who produces the president, then the north should equally split too. Not forgetting that a certain region in the south occupied power for 6 years just recently.
I'd advise us to be objective in analyzing the transiency of which region produces the next president.

Greenbirth:
you the northers believed that you are invisible now. But very soon the table will turn against you. I know that the only thing you will do is calling other terrorist countries like Niger and Mali for help. We knew now that a fight with the north is a fight with the two countries mentioned.

Oshigun:
Myopic. You think Buhari and Tinubu will last forever? You think Yorubas are like others who are one-way traffic and only know how to make empty noise? The only thing constant in life is change. We cannot go on as things are regarding security. The North, whether they like it or not, will have to embrace liberalism and tolerance when in power otherwise their purported superior numbers , they think will always keep them in power, will matter zilch when the Yorubas spiritually disengage from Nigeria. This is what some of us have been telling Igbos for decades. Openly shouting and gnashing teeth is not the only way to get what you want.

I have long encouraged Igbos to be more insular and go for the jugular of Nigeria, with their purported trading and economic might, if they really want Biafra. Once the power that be see that Igbos are not smiling with them economically and financially then they may grant more concession towards regional autonomy. Yorubas will succeed where Igbos fail because we are different. I therefore look forward to Buhari dissolving Amotekun, thus showing he has no regard for us and the security of Yoruba lives, as you brag in this your post. See wether the Yorubas will just accept that, continue to watch their people being slaughtered and do nothing but make noise as others have always done in Nigeria.

Do you not see prominent Yorubas, from Soyinka to FFK and PDP to APC, speaking in unison over Amotekun and telling Miyeti Allah et al to FFK their Presidency? Without Presidency, which region is best and most highly-regarded in Nigeria? Bruv, who is Buhari or Tinubu when Yorubas become spiritually wedded to a cause or pursuit?

SpecialAdviser:
I have had a lot of people asking me why this Amotekun has been giving the north sleepless nights. It shows how shallow many Nigerians understand Nigerian politics. In fact let me try to explain something to them. May be they will start understanding Nnamdi Kanu better.

The north contribute very little to Nigerian economic development and would wait for proceeds from Niger Delta oil in order to carry out developmental projects. This is the core cause of Nigerian civil war. Abuja, Kano and other major cities in the north was built solely from oil proceeds.

Suffice is to say that everywhere in the world, oil is not found in every nook and crannies of a country. So Nigeria is not an exception to that simple logic.

But the issue with Nigeria is that the north refuses justice to other parts of Nigeria. Years of military rule refuses tangible project in other parts of the country. And a military channel was put in place to make sure no resistance exists anywhere from Nigeria. This is why you see them colonizing every military and para military organizations. Same reason Obasanjo retired many top military officers of northern origin to wither their influence.

The north fears any resistance that can cause break up and deny them the free flow of Niger Delta oil. The issue is that their mentality of subjugation has caused them big problem managing Nigerian unity. Their notorious nature have even caused a big split within the north itself as many minority northerners have become wiser now. Look at statement from TY Danjuma.

The coming to power by Buhari has escalated this mentality. Fact is that the fear of such subjugations which was evident in Buharis pre election statements caused Igbos to be on the alert resulting to what seemed like a hatred from the Igbos. People like Nnamdi Kanu cashed on this animosity and gained a lot of followership.

The north is always afraid of Nigerian break up but has failed to make Nigeria a country for all.
Im sure America has this intelligence and with the growing hatred they have in the north, we may expect break up earlier than expected.

I would advice Igbos investing so much outside Igboland to think twice before such investments. The future of this country is gloomy and you cannot afford to lose most of your belongings yet again to other Nigerians.

Except divine intervention, the country may have serious issues sooner than expected.

Oshigun:
Myopic. You think Buhari and Tinubu will last forever? You think Yorubas are like others who are one-way traffic and only know how to make empty noise? The only thing constant in life is change. We cannot go on as things are regarding security. The North, whether they like it or not, will have to embrace liberalism and tolerance when in power otherwise their purported superior numbers , they think will always keep them in power, will matter zilch when the Yorubas spiritually disengage from Nigeria. This is what some of us have been telling Igbos for decades. Openly shouting and gnashing teeth is not the only way to get what you want.

I have long encouraged Igbos to be more insular and go for the jugular of Nigeria, with their purported trading and economic might, if they really want Biafra. Once the power that be see that Igbos are not smiling with them economically and financially then they may grant more concession towards regional autonomy. Yorubas will succeed where Igbos fail because we are different. I therefore look forward to Buhari dissolving Amotekun, thus showing he has no regard for us and the security of Yoruba lives, as you brag in this your post. See wether the Yorubas will just accept that, continue to watch their people being slaughtered and do nothing but make noise as others have always done in Nigeria.

Do you not see prominent Yorubas, from Soyinka to FFK and PDP to APC, speaking in unison over Amotekun and telling Miyeti Allah et al to FFK their Presidency? Without Presidency, which region is best and most highly-regarded in Nigeria? Bruv, who is Buhari or Tinubu when Yorubas become spiritually wedded to a cause or pursuit?

oz4real83:
don't mention Obj in this. He only cries out anytime he doesn't benefit anything or his nominees don't get anything. We must take the bull by the horn now. We should never wait anymore for people like Obj to lead the way. Who would have even thought that Obj will collect money from Atiku during last election?. But sadly, it happened

Igahbarr:
It is a lie ! The only simple reason the north is opposed to Amotekun is because it would stop fulanis expansion to the southwest.

executive12:
Well, talking about the last election, I hope you are not one of those Nigerians that voted Buhari for second term that he did not deserve.

Otunba2004:
thank you, also south west is the most viable region in Nigeria without South West Nigeria is finish,am waiting for North to try nonsense with south west we will show them.

Blue3k:
You mean the same core north that wants their own version of Amotekun? If you do simple math you only need support from 24 states. Thst means only 1 core north state has to agree. The sell is easy especially if they want more power conferred to themselves..

Xisnin:
The governors do not need the president's approval to set up a security system.

oz4real83:
I voted Gej in 2012 but didn't vote him in 2015. I voted PMB in 2015 but I stayed at home, eat and slept in 2019. I didn't vote anybody. That is the kind of person I am. U can't receive me twice.

Antoeni:
AMOTEKUN: MY TAKE
Apparently we attend school for certificates in the south, not for knowledge.
I am so disappointed in the ongoing Amotekun debate.
There is no basis for it occupying our national discuss. No basis.

We operate a "constitutional democracy".
If you are confused, simply go back to the grundnum - The 1999 Constitution.
There are three tiers of government established and recognised by that book.
Federal, state and local government.
Each saddled with its responsibilities.
The crux of that responsibilities being the welfare of citizens.
No law passed by any of these tiers is illegal as long as it conform with the spirit and letters of the constitution.

The problem with this Amotekun contraption is that no government has a law on it. None.
Secondly the body setting it up is not a government and certainly is not recognised in the constitution
We don't have a regional government in Nigeria.

My chagrin is that there is hardly a family in the south without a college or university graduate.
Yet we failed when it mattered most.
The "highly illiterate northerners" read and understood the constitution.

Though the north are predominantly Muslim with sharia laws entrenched in the constitution, they practice same with the dictate of the constitution.
Every state maintain its borders and limits.
No Kano Hisbah can arrest an accuse in say Zaria or Dutse.
And vise versa.

On the Amotekun, if it was not lead by power mongers like Gani Adams, you expect each state to pass the enabling laws.
Set up their commands and stay within their boundaries.
But, no.
They want to set up an outfit to gift unconstitutional powers to their new Aare onakankanfo.

This can NEVER happen.
It will never work.
Set up your neighborhood watches. Do whatever you want.
But a regional armed force is a complete NO.
We won't go this way again.
Use your learning well for once.
Stop embarrassing us.

— Johnson Andrew

ME: This is a great write up. I agree with you 100%

executive12:
Good. I don't blame those that voted Buhari in 2015. Buhari deceived a lot of people. But by 2019, I don't think anybody should claim being deceived. I'm glad to say that I Atikulated in 2019. Buhari is the worst President Nigeria has had so far.

Otunba2004:
thank you, also south west is the most viable region in Nigeria without South West Nigeria is finish,am waiting for North to try nonsense with south west we will show them.

Antoeni:
AMOTEKUN: MY TAKE
Apparently we attend school for certificates in the south, not for knowledge.
I am so disappointed in the ongoing Amotekun debate.
There is no basis for it occupying our national discuss. No basis.

We operate a "constitutional democracy".
If you are confused, simply go back to the grundnum - The 1999 Constitution.
There are three tiers of government established and recognised by that book.
Federal, state and local government.
Each saddled with its responsibilities.
The crux of that responsibilities being the welfare of citizens.
No law passed by any of these tiers is illegal as long as it conform with the spirit and letters of the constitution.

The problem with this Amotekun contraption is that no government has a law on it. None.
Secondly the body setting it up is not a government and certainly is not recognised in the constitution
We don't have a regional government in Nigeria.

My chagrin is that there is hardly a family in the south without a college or university graduate.
Yet we failed when it mattered most.
The "highly illiterate northerners" read and understood the constitution.

Though the north are predominantly Muslim with sharia laws entrenched in the constitution, they practice same with the dictate of the constitution.
Every state maintain its borders and limits.
No Kano Hisbah can arrest an accuse in say Zaria or Dutse.
And vise versa.

On the Amotekun, if it was not lead by power mongers like Gani Adams, you expect each state to pass the enabling laws.
Set up their commands and stay within their boundaries.
But, no.
They want to set up an outfit to gift unconstitutional powers to their new Aare onakankanfo.

This can NEVER happen.
It will never work.
Set up your neighborhood watches. Do whatever you want.
But a regional armed force is a complete NO.
We won't go this way again.
Use your learning well for once.
Stop embarrassing us.

— Johnson Andrew

ME: This is a great write up. I agree with you 100%

Xisnin:
The governors do not need the president's approval to set up a security system.