rozeybid:
Hello Everyone , Been so quiet lately as regards renewing visa but here is a bit of my story .

My husband applied for a J1 visa because he was chosen for the Obama Scholar Foundation program . (Note) He is well travelled and have been to US uncountable times and have never stayed for 1month , he couldn’t even come to childbirth.

The first visa application was denied - Because the VO claimed he took a discount durning our childbirth in the US . He tried explaining to the VO that we paid cash and we were generally given a discount for self pay but he was denied .

We contacted the hospital - OAKBEND HOSPITAL ... They said we can’t get any other letter except the zero balance letter we have been given before bla bla bla ...

The second time , the VO didn’t give him enough time for explanation. DENIED. But advise him to get an Immigration lawyer to sort out the issue.

Fast forward, we got an immigration lawyer in the US and paid 2000usd , he was able to iron out lot of things legally and we were told to contact the hospital to ask for the full bill before discount .

My husband contacted OAKBEND and they claim they can’t take any money etc , He reported OAKBEND hospital to TEXAS HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION . Lol and behold , OAKBEND sent us a mail that we need to pay 10,000usd to complete with what was paid before in order to get a new itemized bill without discount .

We paid this money and got the new itemized bill and a letter from Oakbend . My husband went for the THIRD visa application and the VO denied him again without any reason.

He wrote a mail to the US consular general and US Ambassador in Nigeria . He sent lot of Letters through DHL .

The consular general contacted him to go for his interview and he was given VISA (J1)

Back to my story - I applied to renew my visa tht expires August 2019 ... In a view to visit my husband who has been away since September for Xmas but was DENIED . The VO didn’t give me enough time to show all my document .

I booked another - The VO asked if I have new document but told him the previous VO didn’t have enough time to check my document to see I paid my bills in full . He said I will go thro the administrative process ... Alias , I got my passport back Jan and denied again.

Now , with the new development you the US government, I see the reason for the denial .
We already wrote a letter to the new Consular general but I am done applying for US visa .

PPR in progress .......

Sorry for my long story .

Wow, denied even after paying in full. What do they want

I hope you all know consular officers, international journalist, cbp officers read this thread. Nigerians use your wisdom and know what to post here.

Na wa o.

Women don suffer for this life. There is no way this policy won't impinge on gender issues. Particularly if they resort to mandatory pregnancy tests at POE.

From the cable sent to Consular Officers by the State Department, I think the Consular Officers were guided on how to address this issue of not directly putting across the question of pregnancy to female applicants.

lami88:



Are you pregannt and intending to give birth there?. Whether you change the purpose or not, i doubt it will make any effect. The visa officers will be extra cautious for women now especially those applying for visiting Visa's.

UhnNah:


You ladies should avoid revealing your next moves on public forums! I’ve seen a lady here from reuters news asking to interview people! If she knows about this forum! Be assured the ‘Feds’ are watching as well to know what next you guys are up to!

You think the US VO's and CBP Officers don't already know all those tricks?

Hmmm...they already know.

hayyyyyyyyyyyyy!!1

Even after paying in full. This is serious.

Well this answers the question someone asked if paying in full helps.

rozeybid:
Hello Everyone , Been so quiet lately as regards renewing visa but here is a bit of my story .

My husband applied for a J1 visa because he was chosen for the Obama Scholar Foundation program . (Note) He is well travelled and have been to US uncountable times and have never stayed for 1month , he couldn’t even come to childbirth.

The first visa application was denied - Because the VO claimed he took a discount durning our childbirth in the US . He tried explaining to the VO that we paid cash and we were generally given a discount for self pay but he was denied .

We contacted the hospital - OAKBEND HOSPITAL ... They said we can’t get any other letter except the zero balance letter we have been given before bla bla bla ...

The second time , the VO didn’t give him enough time for explanation. DENIED. But advise him to get an Immigration lawyer to sort out the issue.

Fast forward, we got an immigration lawyer in the US and paid 2000usd , he was able to iron out lot of things legally and we were told to contact the hospital to ask for the full bill before discount .

My husband contacted OAKBEND and they claim they can’t take any money etc , He reported OAKBEND hospital to TEXAS HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION . Lol and behold , OAKBEND sent us a mail that we need to pay 10,000usd to complete with what was paid before in order to get a new itemized bill without discount .

We paid this money and got the new itemized bill and a letter from Oakbend . My husband went for the THIRD visa application and the VO denied him again without any reason.

He wrote a mail to the US consular general and US Ambassador in Nigeria . He sent lot of Letters through DHL .

The consular general contacted him to go for his interview and he was given VISA (J1)

Back to my story - I applied to renew my visa tht expires August 2019 ... In a view to visit my husband who has been away since September for Xmas but was DENIED . The VO didn’t give me enough time to show all my document .

I booked another - The VO asked if I have new document but told him the previous VO didn’t have enough time to check my document to see I paid my bills in full . He said I will go thro the administrative process ... Alias , I got my passport back Jan and denied again.

Now , with the new development you the US government, I see the reason for the denial .
We already wrote a letter to the new Consular general but I am done applying for US visa .

PPR in progress .......

Sorry for my long story .

babestell:
hayyyyyyyyyyyyy!!1

Even after paying in full. This is serious.

Well this answers the question someone asked if paying in full helps.

Whaooo. Even after paying in full. Are you currently pregnant? Could it be they believe you are pregnant again and want to use the visa for childbirth? Could that be the reason for the denial?

rozeybid:


The second time , the VO didn’t give him enough time for explanation. DENIED. But advise him to get an Immigration lawyer to sort out the issue.

Fast forward, we got an immigration lawyer in the US and paid 2000usd , he was able to iron out lot of things legally and we were told to contact the hospital to ask for the full bill before discount .

I think it was wrong of them to force you into getting a lawyer to sort out the discount issue.

lami88:



Whaooo. Even after paying in full. Are you currently pregnant? Could it be they believe you are pregnant again and want to use the visa for childbirth? Could that be the reason for the denial?

No I am not pregnant !! Just to visit and come back to NIGERIA . I think that’s what they feel .

NothingDoMe:
I think it was wrong of them to force you into getting a lawyer to sort out the discount issue.

I won’t use the word force !! It was just like an advise .

Stephenmoka4:
they have"the right" to turn you back, anyways if you have a visit Visa today, it should have expired by then.

How much do you really know? Just running round in circles methinks.... Calm down please

babestell:
Does this mean that one can travel with an already granted B2 visa say in October to give birth. The visa was granted for birtha nd has been used already for one child

I think you're safe since you told the VO that you were using this particular visa for Childbirth in the US and you were granted.

The New Restriction for Childbirth in the US just started today and moving forward.

Sunshine1980:
I can see people are still misrepresenting this issue. The issue is straight forward. People should read the actual policy document and not the false intepretations that are tailored to what ever intended purposes.

The B2 visa is generally used for tourism, pleasure and medical treatment. What the new policy says is that having a baby in the USA will no longer be classified as use of the Visa for pleasure purposes. Having baby in the USA will now be classified as use of visa for medical treatment and the consular officer will evaluate the applicant as required. You cannot just show up and say I wish to have my baby in the US as before. Now you need a strong medical reason for going to the US to have your baby and also evidence you can pay for the medical services. All these are with respect to your visa interview with consular officer and not the POE.

The rule also does not affect the POE CBP officers in any way. Please read excerpt from the federal register below for reference.

That is absolutely untrue. The rule is clear - obtaining a visa for the sole purpose of having a baby in the US is now “impermissible” (that is the word used in the rule). Unless you have a clearly defined medical procedure, in connection with your pregnancy, that cannot be treated in your home country, you cannot simply show up at your interview claiming giving birth as your medical need in the US.

gratefulalways:
Na wa o.

Women don suffer for this life. There is no way this policy won't impinge on gender issues. Particularly if they resort to mandatory pregnancy tests at POE.

From the cable sent to Consular Officers by the State Department, I think the Consular Officers were guided on how to address this issue of not directly putting across the question of pregnancy to female applicants.

lol!...I don't see that happening though.

However, if by any reason the woman decides to give birth on the visiting visa her chances for the US renewal might be faced with serious challenges.

People don't realize that it's the US State Department that issues the US passports and controls the US embassies across the World.

So any foreigner who applies for US passport for any child born in the US will be alerted to the US embassy where the foreigner reside or is a Citizen of.

gratefulalways:
Na wa o.

Women don suffer for this life. There is no way this policy won't impinge on gender issues. Particularly if they resort to mandatory pregnancy tests at POE.

From the cable sent to Consular Officers by the State Department, I think the Consular Officers were guided on how to address this issue of not directly putting across the question of pregnancy to female applicants.

Not really. Western women are having the time of their lives. See Finland’s government for example.

The only reason this policy is an issue is because our government has failed to support our basic needs. If the Nigerian passport wasn’t useless, only a tiny few Nigerian women would consider spending money to give birth in the US. Let’s lay the blame where it should. The future of our children is not America’s problem.

rozeybid:
Hello Everyone , Been so quiet lately as regards renewing visa but here is a bit of my story .


PPR in progress .......

Sorry for my long story .

Wow!

Wow!

Wow!

All the best with your PPR (Canada Express Entry)...
Na wa! This new rule may make it difficult for women of child bearing age to get visas to the US. Na wa oooo

rozeybid:


I won’t use the word force !! It was just like an advise .

Advise that he knew you would accept in order not to miss the Obama Scholar Foundation program.

Issokay

Beautyaddy:


You think the US VO's and CBP Officers don't already know all those tricks?

Hmmm...they already know.

Still,there’s attention on the situation right now! Posting about how you will deceive the VO’s and CBP officers on the internet might make things worse...e.g,Pregnancy test at POE!

NothingDoMe:
Fyorgyn I sight you.

My brother!

I dey here o

lami88:

Haha. Why would anyone go and sit down in thw US for one year? When you are not working there?.
You people should not complicate this things jare and cause more problems for others. Everyone will start applying for extension now till they decide to cancel it even for those with genuine reasons. For everything that has a beginning , there is an end. Lets face the reality of the situation on ground.
Try other countries that welcome birth tourism. Someone here mentioned chile. Chile citizens have access to enter 170 countries visa free. ( I'm quoting what was said here ni o)

Extension is not easy to get, many are denied.

Kemo88:

Yeah now the question is if I get a B1/B2 visa today and next year I get pregnant and go to the US, then at the POE I say , “ my purpose of entering the US is to birth” does the officer have the right to turn me back ? Since I didn’t get a the visa for birthing in the first place

Yes.

babestell:
Does this mean that one can travel with an already granted B2 visa say in October to give birth. The visa was granted for birtha nd has been used already for one child

Beautyaddy:

I think you're safe since you told the VO that you were using this particular visa for Childbirth in the US and you were granted.
The New Restriction for Childbirth in the US just started today and moving forward.

she will be sent back at POE. POE officers apply this new rule from today.

SmartKitty:


she will be sent back at POE. POE officers apply this new rule from today.

Stop!

She wont.

She said she already got the visa for childbirth purposes before the restriction commenced.

I can see your whole aim in this forum is to scare people. The policy document is clear. You don't need to twist it to suit your agenda. What I stated earlier is absolutely correct.

What is 'impermissible' is 'travel to the US with primary purpose of obtaining US citizenship for a child by giving birth in the US'

It is very permissible to 'travel for the primary purpose of obtaining medical treatment for reasons related to childbirth for maternal and infant health'

The rest of your statement is just regurgitating exactly what I stated earlier in my submission. I have taken time to read the policy document and I do not know what you gain by scaremongering.

The summary of the policy is that giving birth is no longer classified under pleasure. You can no longer just feel like coming to the USA to give birth and obtain citizenship for your child. It is now tied under medical treatment. If you are pregnant, be prepared to prove you need special medicare not accessible in Nigeria or any country close to Nigeria and not that you want to come and have baby to obtain US citizenship for the child.

TWoods:


That is absolutely untrue. The rule is clear - obtaining a visa for the sole purpose of having a baby in the US is now “impermissible” (that is the word used in the rule). Unless you have a clearly defined medical procedure, in connection with your pregnancy, that cannot be treated in your home country, you cannot simply show up at your interview claiming giving birth as your medical need in the US.

Sunshine1980:
I can see your whole aim in this forum is to scare people. The policy document is clear. You don't need to twist it to suit your agenda. What I stated earlier is absolutely correct. What is 'impermissible' is 'travel to the US with primary purpose of obtaining US citizenship for a child by giving birth in the US'

It is very permissible to 'travel for the primary purpose of obtaining medical treatment for reasons related to childbirth for maternal and infant health'

The rest of your statement is just regurgitating exactly what I stated earlier in my submission. I have taken time to read the policy document and I do not know what you gain by scaremongering.

The summary of the policy is that giving birth is no longer classified under pleasure. You can no longer just feel like coming to the USA to give birth and obtain citizenship for your child. It is now tied under medical treatment. If you are pregnant, be prepared to prove you need special medicare not accessible in Nigeria or any country close to Nigeria and not that you want to come and have baby to obtain US citizenship for the child.

Relax. You both are saying the same thing. Or rather, you are saying exactly what he is saying with some little twist.

I think your statement should be directed to Twoods. If we are both saying the same thing, why would he say that my statement is absolutely untrue.

lami88:


Relax. You both are saying the same thing. Or rather, you are saying exactly what he is saying with some little twist.

OmoBendel24:


How much do you really know? Just running round in circles methinks.... Calm down please

if you have a visit Visa now (6 month is the usual validity) by next year, do you think it's still active

Beautyaddy:

Stop!
She wont.
She said she already got the visa for childbirth purposes before the restriction commenced.

Are you sure? POE Officers how the power to stop anybody who is not a US citizen.

Sunshine1980:
I can see your whole aim in this forum is to scare people. The policy document is clear. You don't need to twist it to suit your agenda. What I stated earlier is absolutely correct.

What is 'impermissible' is 'travel to the US with primary purpose of obtaining US citizenship for a child by giving birth in the US'

It is very permissible to 'travel for the primary purpose of obtaining medical treatment for reasons related to childbirth for maternal and infant health'

The rest of your statement is just regurgitating exactly what I stated earlier in my submission. I have taken time to read the policy document and I do not know what you gain by scaremongering.

The summary of the policy is that giving birth is no longer classified under pleasure. You can no longer just feel like coming to the USA to give birth and obtain citizenship for your child. It is now tied under medical treatment. If you are pregnant, be prepared to prove you need special medicare not accessible in Nigeria or any country close to Nigeria and not that you want to come and have baby to obtain US citizenship for the child.

At this point, you’re simply arguing just to argue. To claim I have an agenda is unserious... to also claim that US media agencies, most of whom got the scoop before the policy was published, do not understand the policy better than you is downright laughable.

99% of Nigerians who get a birthing visa do so expressly to obtain US citizenship for their children. There is practically little medical reason for a Nigerian to have a child in the US since most birthing-related medical issues can be addressed in Nigeria. Here is Time magazines’ take on the issue... feel free to lecture them too - https://time.com/5770372/us-birth-tourism-visa/

SmartKitty:


she will be sent back at POE. POE officers apply this new rule from today.

The rule does not apply to CBP and since birthing isn’t illegal, there is no reason to think that she will be sent back at the POE. She didn’t lie at her interview and the visa was obtained before the rule.

Thanks for the Time magazines' link. The content lines up 100% with what I have been saying.

TWoods:


At this point, you’re simply arguing just to argue. To claim I have an agenda is unserious... to also claim that US media agencies, most of whom got the scoop before the policy was published, do not understand the policy better than you is downright laughable.

99% of Nigerians who get a birthing visa do so expressly to obtain US citizenship for their children. There is practically little medical reason for a Nigerian to have a child in the US since most birthing-related medical issues can be addressed in Nigeria. Here is Time magazines’ take on the issue... feel free to lecture them too - https://time.com/5770372/us-birth-tourism-visa/

TWoods:

The rule does not apply to CBP and since birthing isn’t illegal, there is no reason to think that she will be sent back at the POE. She didn’t lie at her interview and the visa was obtained before the rule.

Why do you think this rule was issued? For to stop ANY pregnant woman, ANY who travels to give birth on American soil.
Watch from today ANY woman to travel for birth purpose if she has NO confirmation there is no medical care for to have a child in her own country. ANY airline can stop her and the POE Officer can stop her. And the POE Officer even doesn't need to explain to her anything, they stop and send back ANY foreigner with NO explanation, they have the power to do so and you can't sue them.

Na wa o