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Luzebox:
..but is he not the same God...so before it was fine for God to order killing but after Jesus he decided to change his mind..remembered he Neva changes..

MistadeRegal:
You have no knowledge or the Bible. So don't argue it.

Ladylite:
LOL bros no be so o.

So you are a teacher in a school and you discipline the students because you feel they are naughty then you own child enrolls in the same school and is now in the class you teach and because your child is good he becomes the class captain.... Tell me you will treat him the same way and be so strict.


Hope you can see your Hypocrisy...

You forget that God made you in his image... He too thinks. So he sent his son, his son came to help us understand him as a loving father so our case is different.

That is what changed God... His name is Jesus. This is why we pray in Jesus's name. It's like submitting a request through the son of the strict teacher...

Hope your mind is more understanding now

AntiChristian:
And you that have knowledge of the Bible and is strengthened with the holy spirit why haven't you been able to interpret those verses since?

MistadeRegal:
Because you're stuck in unbelief.

AntiChristian:
So with this analogy, you have been able to prove what? That God is not capable of saving the world himself till he kills his son for them? And how do you define Justice and fairness with your Lord?

Ladylite:
OH OK, let me define justice and fairness for you.

So I created you then I see how you mess up and are headed for ultimate destruction (which you deserve because of your many sins) then instead of destroying you myself and starting afresh I decided to take the blame for what you did wrong and pay the penalty because I knew that I am an immortal.... So I can not really totally die, I can always lay down my life and pick it up whenever I want.... But you do not yet have such abilities... So I take your place to face the karma price of all the atrocities you have done hoping that after I pay the price you will know I truly love you and I never want you to suffer and all am asking is trust me and I will handle everything that concerns you.

This is the simple story of salvation

AntiChristian:
Any book that is not meant to be understood by the common man should be jettisoned.

You can as well explain the verses with your holy Spirit mind and let's see the miracle you'll perform!

advocatejare:
Like a book full of Alif Lam Meem?

AntiChristian:
Unlike a book we don't know if it's 73 Books or 66 Books

advocatejare:
The same book that your god base the veracity of his revelation on, it's a shame your god didn't tell you whether to use the 66 or the 73 books.

AntiChristian:
We should ask you which version out of the over 40 non-similar translations is the best?

advocatejare:
Am I your god that instructed you to ask the those who have been reading the scriptures before you?

Direct your frustration to your God abeg

AntiChristian:
Even no two original manuscripts of your scripture are exactly the same.

advocatejare:
Bring out the original manuscript of your Quran. Oh i forgot, Uthman had burnt all of them to conceal the truth, but the truth can't be concealed that's why Shia and Sunni are still at wall because they believe the Shia believe that Uthman and Zaid had corrupted the Quran.

Aisha said a domestic animal ate some original manuscript

Despite all the editing that Zaid did to the Quran, it's still disjointed, meaningless and full of Babbles.

As for the Bible, there was no need to burn any manuscript, the truth is never afraid of being exposed, only the lie is afraid of being exposed, and we're exposing your lies.

Your god and his prophet couldn't tell you which of the Bible they were making references to, isn't that a shame on all of you together?

They told you to confirm their sayings from the scriptures but they couldn't lead you to the right path.

How can they even lead you, when Muhammad himself said he didn't know what would be done to him?

AntiChristian:
Same argument all the time! How many times have you clarified this?

Till eternity you'll keep bringing it up.

advocatejare:
Because you didn't clarify anything.

Did you refute the fact that there were different codices of the Quran before Uthman ordered them to be burnt down?

Did you refute the fact that Aisha said a domestic animal ate some of the manuscripts of the Quran?

Did you refute the claim that Muhammad was not alive to confirm if what Zaid compiled was authentic?

Did you refute the claim that Quran is disjointed, full of babbles, haphazardly arranged and meaningless without prior knowledge of the Bible?

Why would the Almighty wise God who is wisdom Himself reveal such a meaningless book.

Only a demon-possessed Arab illiterate could have come up with such a book!

AntiChristian:
Mention the codices, its authorization and chains of transmission.

Weak hadith.

Was Jesus alive to confirm the Gospel?

I think you need a general assessment of yourself if you haven't been possessed by a demon!

advocatejare:
Abdullah ibn Masud codex

Ubay ibn Ka'b's codex

Uthmanic codex is the one you have today. Uthman burnt the rest.

advocatejare:
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed1, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”
Ibn majja 3:9:1944

advocatejare:
As for demon possession, it was Muhammad that was possessed and tormented of the devil.

AntiChristian:
You have mentioned the codexed but where is each's authorisation and chain of transmissions?

Abu Bakr's codex is the same as Umar's codex and the same as Uthman's codex and the same as Zaid Ibn Thabit's codex!

Abu Bakr was an Authority on his own as the 1st Caliph!
Umar was an Authority on his own as the 2nd Caliph!
Moreover Zaid Ibn Thabit consulted many Sahabah and fragments in compiling the Qur'an at the time of Abu Bakr!

So from Abu Bakr to Umar to Hafsah(Umar's daughter) to Uthman.

What can you tell us about your codexes? it's authority and it Chains?



the story of the sheep eating a page of the Holy Qur’an in the house of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) is da‘eef (weak) and is not proven.


Only a demon possessed individual lies like you do here!

advocatejare:
And that's why despite all those u listed as authorities they couldn't come up with a meaningful book, the Quran they gave you is nothing but babbles and haphazardly arranged. Even Odu Ifa is well arranged and meaningful than your Quran

AntiChristian:
So you sabi "odu ifa"? Confirm idolator!

advocatejare:
I sabi everything.

If I don't know Zend Avesta I wouldn't have known that Muhammad plagiarized his journey Isra and Mi'raj during night is very much similar to Arda Viraf’s night journey to heaven under the guidance of angel Sarosh.

And I wouldn't have known that the story is also similar that the winged horse like creature with a human head, Buraq carried Muhammad in his night journey while Barag, the Persion equivalent of it did the same for Arda Viraf.

I would have known that Muhammad just copied and pasted Avesta, Zoroastrianism book

AntiChristian:
Yeah! I laugh at your folly! Avesta copied Abraham's mode of worship! And we follow the religion of Abraham!

AntiChristian:
I no sabi twist!

God can ask something that is injurious, deadly and catastrophic!

Numbers Chapter 31vs 7-12
7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

So if the husband commands his wife to kill......

jcross19:
see this one talking about total submission of a Christian woman, compare it to your religion that banished woman to stay at the back yard. you people that's treating woman as land or car property? how can religion turned a woman to daylight masquerade? go to the north and see how women are used as sex slaves.

advocatejare:
You're ignorant.
First, Avesta had existed even before Abraham was born, Zoroastrianism was the religion the Persians were practicing even before Abraham was born, that was why God instructed Abraham to leave the midst of idol worshippers and God promised Abraham a promised land.

Second, Abraham never prayed facing a black box called Kaaba or fire or sun.

Even Muhammad knew that Kaaba was of pagan origin and there was a time Muhammad said he wanted to demolish the Kaaba but he had to retain it in order to entice Muslims to stay in Islam


Sahaih Bukhari 1:3:128
Narrated By Aswad
Ibn Az-Zubair said to me, "'Aisha used to tell you secretly a number of things. What did she tell you about the Ka'ba?" I replied, "She told me that once the Prophet said, 'O 'Aisha! Had not your people been still close to the pre-Islamic period of ignorance (infidelity)! I would have dismantled the Ka'ba and would have made two doors in it; one for entrance and the other for exit."

So you see that Muhammad knew that Kaaba was part of idolatry but he retained idolatry for you his followers.

AntiChristian:
Can you define sex slave? Abraham slept with Hagar Sarah's slave to born Ishmael.

That's sex slaving!

jcross19:
ask Mohammed how he raped Aisha at the age of 9! even Saudis are now getting sense.

AntiChristian:
When did Abraham lived? When did Avesta lived? I have given a long post on this up there before. Won't repeat myself!

Abraham built the Kaaba for the worship of Allah!
So because Jerusalem was used for idol worship at some point people should stop regarding it as a temple built for God?

What kind of reasoning be this?